IRC Log for #microformats on 2006-03-21
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- [00:00:13] <DanC>
hmm... I have some code to go from RDF calendar to hCalendar... well, almost... http://dig.csail.mit.edu/breadcrumbs/node/99
- [00:00:38] <DanC>
(and fromIcal.py which goes from .ics to RDF)
- [00:01:18] <DanC>
I have a really cool hCalendar weekly schedule generated from my PDA. But it's too sensitive to publish. argh! oh for more time to spend on testing!
- [00:01:20] <tantek>
Hailstorm is only relevant in that it was an attempt to introduce a bunch of new technologies, including some reinvented formats for contact info, that didn't get uptake by developers.
- [00:01:43] <tantek>
rebuilding Hailstorm now, upon standard microformats, would work *much* better
- [00:01:59] <tantek>
wow, another boring view of RSS
- [00:02:02] <DanC>
you've judge it relevant enough to dignify with a response. that's more than I was asking for.
- [00:02:17] <tantek>
"RSS: how to dumb down and uglify the web"
- [00:02:36] <tantek>
DanC, I judged the *person* relevant enough to dignify with a response, not the statement.
- [00:02:50] <tantek>
The fundamental assumption we should have is to treat people with respect.
- [00:03:23] <tantek>
oops, Tantek meant to make a few of those statements in #mix06
- [00:03:38] <DanC>
in the dig blog, we get a lot of spam and a lot of stuff that I can't be sure is spam but isn't relevant. I delete it.
- [00:03:43] * DanC -> family time
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- [00:05:09] <tantek>
um, and besides WTF did my post have to do with REST? anyone here know Jeff?
- [00:05:34] <KevinMarks>
is a trailing Z on a time allowed to be in .ics ?
- [00:05:50] <kingryan>
I believe so
- [00:07:37] <KevinMarks>
any idea why this sin't working? http://feeds.technorati.com/events/http://openrightsgroup.org
- [00:08:57] <bretonsli>
works for me
- [00:09:02] <bretonsli>
what's it supposed to do?
- [00:09:07] <bretonsli>
are the times off or something?
- [00:09:18] <KevinMarks>
I don't get an event in my iCalendar
- [00:09:56] <KevinMarks>
it's supposed to be 11am to 2pm on Sunday in GMT
- [00:09:56] <tantek>
KevinMarks, use Suda's X2V for debugging/validating
- [00:10:18] <tantek>
and yes, UTC times with Z are allowed in RFC2445
- [00:11:03] <mfbot>
[[rest/datatypes]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rest/datatypes&diff=0&oldid=5452 * DrErnie * (-846) Example -
- [00:11:04] <bretonsli>
hah that's weird. I've got 5:08pm to 5:30pm this evening
- [00:11:14] <KevinMarks>
yes, and I get nothing
- [00:11:19] <KevinMarks>
so somthing is a drift
- [00:11:38] <KevinMarks>
it makes:
- [00:11:39] <KevinMarks>
DTSTART:20060319T1100Z
- [00:11:40] <KevinMarks>
DTEND:20060319T1400Z
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- [00:13:08] <tantek>
Kevin, that should work
- [00:13:14] <kingryan>
if I append the seconds, it works in iCal
- [00:13:20] <tantek>
ah interesting
- [00:13:36] <kingryan>
I've never seen this problem before
- [00:13:37] <tantek>
sounds like a feature request for Suda to add to X2V
- [00:13:41] <tantek>
kingryan, me neither
- [00:13:55] <tantek>
my guess is that the "Z" case might not pad seconds as all the other cases do
- [00:14:01] <tantek>
(in the XSLT)
- [00:14:04] <KevinMarks>
ah that may be it
- [00:14:17] <tantek>
s/Z/+00:00
- [00:14:32] <KevinMarks>
I vaguely remember that fixing a simialr issue
- [00:14:34] <tantek>
and that might cause it to "work" with current X2V / feeds.t.c/events
- [00:14:43] <KevinMarks>
well, this came from the mf.org generator
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- [00:14:51] <KevinMarks>
want to make thta change, Ryan?
- [00:15:10] <tantek>
no Kevin, we want Brian to make the change in X2V
- [00:15:18] <tantek>
that's where the fix should be made
- [00:15:51] <tantek>
hmm... can't get on iChat/AIM here
- [00:15:55] <KevinMarks>
yes, but in the meantime, fixing the generator would be a good thing
- [00:16:14] <tantek>
Kevin, there is no "in the meantime"
- [00:16:19] <tantek>
that is how we fix the generator
- [00:16:31] <KevinMarks>
?
- [00:16:31] <tantek>
we update the X2V XSLT code
- [00:16:38] <tantek>
and then deploy and update
- [00:16:54] <kingryan>
KevinMarks, I'm mostly incapable of editing the xslt
- [00:16:58] <tantek>
Kevin, please email the bug report to microformats-dev at microformats dot org
- [00:17:09] <tantek>
Brian's on that, he'll get it
- [00:17:17] <tantek>
mention X2V, hCalendar in the subject
- [00:17:44] <tantek>
ok, break time, gotta run
- [00:17:54] <tantek>
anyway, you know where to report microformats implementations bugs now
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- [00:19:10] <bretonsli>
Is anyone here familiar with textpattern?
- [00:22:07] <bretonsli>
bah, nevermind
- [00:23:23] <pnhAway>
yes
- [00:23:27] <pnhAway>
but nevermind :P
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- [00:23:37] <jibot>
pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
- [00:23:44] <pnhChris>
kingryan: still around?
- [00:23:45] <mfbot>
[[rest/datatypes]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rest/datatypes&diff=0&oldid=5453 * DrErnie * (-471) Proposal - incorporate Kevin & Tantek's suggestions
- [00:24:00] <pnhChris>
feed-id / parser question
- [00:24:06] <mfbot>
[[rest/datatypes]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rest/datatypes&diff=0&oldid=5454 * DrErnie * (+2) Binary Data -
- [00:24:37] <mfbot>
[[rest/datatypes]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rest/datatypes&diff=0&oldid=5455 * DrErnie * (+13) String -
- [00:24:38] <pnhChris>
what is expected there.. its now pulling the id value for the hfeed'd element if there is one
- [00:24:45] <pnhChris>
and nothign if there isn't
- [00:25:22] <pnhChris>
since hatom doesn't require it, should i assume it properly should jsut be the url of the page without any greater specificity?
- [00:26:03] <mfbot>
[[rest/datatypes]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rest/datatypes&diff=0&oldid=5456 * DrErnie * (+90) Tag Summary -
- [00:26:16] <kingryan>
it should be the URL, with a fragment reference to the id of the hfeed, if there is one
- [00:26:59] <mfbot>
[[rest/datatypes]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rest/datatypes&diff=0&oldid=5457 * DrErnie * (+19) Usage -
- [00:27:20] * DanC borrows a moment from family time...
- [00:27:46] <DanC>
kingryan, does Brian know about the office hours you picked? any idea if he's available? I just put it in my calendar.
- [00:27:55] <pnhChris>
ok
- [00:28:05] <mfbot>
[[rest/datatypes]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rest/datatypes&diff=0&oldid=5458 * DrErnie * (+44) Usage -
- [00:28:12] <pnhChris>
and the author not being found in the case of my example above.. that was my error
- [00:28:17] <DanC>
interestingly, it's a repeating event in a timezone other than Z. not expressible in hCalendar.
- [00:28:21] <mfbot>
[[rest/datatypes]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rest/datatypes&diff=0&oldid=5459 * DrErnie * (-2) Summary -
- [00:28:36] <kingryan>
DanC, haven't talked to him about it yet
- [00:28:40] <kingryan>
I'll see
- [00:28:49] <pnhChris>
outside of the feed i had address class="vcard"... not both vcard and author classes
- [00:29:11] <DanC>
I hope to sync up with him on the XSLT code. (and hence get myself in a position to help with the problem Kevin is reporting)
- [00:29:33] <kingryan>
DanC, my event's not supposed to be repeating
- [00:29:51] <kingryan>
hence the reason I'm publishing an ics file, which is edited in iCal, rather than an hCal event
- [00:30:02] <DanC>
tantek, are you swapped in on using hcard as a location in hCalendar? the outer event gets the inner hCard's url, using the current X2V. I don't see a fix.
- [00:30:03] <kingryan>
('cause it may change some weeks)
- [00:30:34] <DanC>
er... that doesn't argue for not using hCal
- [00:30:47] <DanC>
we do hope/expect apple ical to read hCal in due course, no?
- [00:30:52] <kingryan>
I'm just saying it'd be more difficult for me to author, right now
- [00:31:11] <kingryan>
its a matter of convenience for me
- [00:31:16] * DanC put it in my calendar as a weekly thing; hope springs eternal..
- [00:31:22] <kingryan>
it will change when I get a chance
- [00:31:42] <DanC>
convenient. ack.
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- [00:31:43] <kingryan>
good luck with the hope thing
- [00:31:43] <jibot>
tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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- [00:33:28] <bretonsli>
I've been toying with the idea of creating a microformats plugin for textpattern. I am aware that one exists, but I don't entirely agree with the way in which it is implemented
- [00:33:37] <pnhChris>
ok.. wrapped up what I think i konw about those 2 examples to the mf list... corrections / next steps welcome
- [00:33:54] <pnhChris>
on no bretonsli ?
- [00:34:04] * pnhChris beats chest
- [00:34:11] <pnhChris>
what would you do differently?
- [00:34:52] * kingryan steps out of the way
- [00:34:56] <pnhChris>
haha
- [00:35:04] <pnhChris>
i don't care.. i'm not protective of it
- [00:35:12] <bretonsli>
You authored it didn't you?
- [00:35:15] <bretonsli>
*slaps forehead*
- [00:35:19] <pnhChris>
more curious what you're thinking becuase i've gotten no feedback on it
- [00:35:21] <pnhChris>
yah
- [00:35:24] <pnhChris>
:)
- [00:36:03] <bretonsli>
Okay, here's what I'm thinking
- [00:36:22] <bretonsli>
I'm in the planning stages for setting up a textpattern setup for a gallery website
- [00:36:37] <bretonsli>
I mentioned something about this on the mailing list (except no mention of textpattern)
- [00:37:13] <bretonsli>
Ideally, what I'd like to do is set this up as something the not so html savvy people that run the gallery can use
- [00:37:41] <bretonsli>
Looking at the examples of usage for the existing microformats plugin
- [00:38:12] <bretonsli>
it did not seem like the implementation offered a significantly easier method of creating, say, an hcalendar event, than simply typing out the raw xhtml
- [00:38:18] <pnhChris>
(which aren't that pretty i agree.. helped a little by my tag helper additions)
- [00:38:40] <bretonsli>
Hrmn I haven't had a look at those admittedly.
- [00:38:43] <pnhChris>
well
- [00:39:02] <pnhChris>
take a look at them
- [00:39:13] <pnhChris>
for the more complex formats like hcalendar specifically
- [00:39:41] <pnhChris>
they're not that refined (things like helpers for entering dates would be nice)
- [00:39:53] <pnhChris>
but they're better then typign raw tags
- [00:40:16] <pnhChris>
.. do you see them there... or are you using the first version of the plugin?
- [00:40:25] <pnhChris>
but my plugin aside
- [00:40:39] <bretonsli>
I'm not sure where to get the latest plugin actually
- [00:40:50] <bretonsli>
I pretty much just stumbled upon it through textpattern resources
- [00:41:32] <bretonsli>
Hang on a sec..
- [00:41:36] <pnhChris>
probably do.. theres only 2 versions (i think).. one with no admin side stuff, and one with some
- [00:41:40] <pnhChris>
http://placenamehere.com/TXP/pnh_mf/
- [00:42:02] <mfbot>
[[events]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events&diff=0&oldid=5460 * RyanKing * (+97) Microformats related Events - added xtech talk
- [00:42:25] <bretonsli>
As for dates, I had an idea that I actually implemented to a limited extent
- [00:42:28] <pnhChris>
but my plugin aside... if you're doing events management specifically, might want to do more then just hcalendar inside of a normal psot
- [00:42:38] <bretonsli>
exactly
- [00:42:54] <pnhChris>
maybe a new tab that behaves more like the Wp structured blogging plugin
- [00:43:09] <bretonsli>
that's sort of what I was going to suggest
- [00:43:21] <bretonsli>
There's a couple of different approaches though
- [00:43:34] <bretonsli>
Aside from adding new tabs
- [00:43:55] <bretonsli>
there's also the possibility to use some javascript to modify the existing "write" form
- [00:44:01] <bretonsli>
to add the extra fields needed
- [00:44:48] <bretonsli>
As for dates, I was planning on using the PHP function strtotime();
- [00:45:01] <pnhChris>
my goal was to make something to make it easy to to get properly formatted microformats into templates and/or posts
- [00:45:09] <bretonsli>
That way you get full use out of the ABBR tag with minimal fuss
- [00:45:23] <bretonsli>
you use the original input for the tag content, and a parsed out date for the title
- [00:45:47] <pnhChris>
yeah.. but then you can't use some non-parsable human date
- [00:46:03] <pnhChris>
which i like to be able to do wen you're just dealing with posting a blog entry
- [00:46:55] <pnhChris>
but in any case
- [00:47:06] <bretonsli>
Yeah I totally see its usefulness for that.
- [00:47:36] <pnhChris>
do you see the tag helpers i mentioned yet?
- [00:47:53] <bretonsli>
dur I got distracted.
- [00:47:53] <pnhChris>
just in the left column of the editor by the other tags
- [00:47:54] <bretonsli>
hang on
- [00:48:58] <bretonsli>
OOohh I see
- [00:49:01] <bretonsli>
very nice
- [00:49:13] <pnhChris>
they're still rather "dumb"
- [00:49:21] <pnhChris>
but more helpful then nothing
- [00:49:22] <bretonsli>
yes I see..
- [00:49:26] <bretonsli>
indeed
- [00:50:03] <bretonsli>
Well I can see more potential in this now than before definately.
- [00:50:22] <bretonsli>
I could see using the TXP tags underneath a more user friendly front end
- [00:51:02] <bretonsli>
perhaps with as you suggested, event management..
- [00:51:09] <pnhChris>
yeah
- [00:51:28] <bretonsli>
but also the site will need hResume, hReview, hCard
- [00:51:31] <pnhChris>
depends what you're posting
- [00:52:02] <pnhChris>
hresume and hreview start becoming more then you can do in a tiny popup / a single tag
- [00:52:13] <bretonsli>
Yeah
- [00:52:32] <bretonsli>
Which is why I'm thinking of having a link on the left column as you have...
- [00:52:35] <bretonsli>
but instead of a pop up
- [00:52:40] <bretonsli>
it modifies the form in the page
- [00:53:00] <pnhChris>
even hcard.. see how i did the address part?
- [00:53:13] <bretonsli>
But I'm sort of battling it out in my head about the best way to implement this
- [00:53:14] <mfbot>
[[events/xtech-2006]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/xtech-2006&diff=0&oldid=5461 * RyanKing * (+475) Planning segment - added some rough ideas for planning
- [00:53:27] <bretonsli>
should I the custom fields?
- [00:53:30] <pnhChris>
not exactly the easiest thing to do unless you standardize what your users will be entering in some other way / UI
- [00:53:45] <bretonsli>
should I add extra types ala links
- [00:53:51] <bretonsli>
files/images
- [00:54:03] <bretonsli>
requiring some db modification
- [00:54:38] <bretonsli>
with the extra tabs...
- [00:54:44] <bretonsli>
hrmn.
- [00:55:44] <pnhChris>
how are you sorting what "posts" go / get displayed where?
- [00:56:34] <bretonsli>
Well since I'm really thinking of making a good interface for this one site first, and distributing the results second....
- [00:56:45] <bretonsli>
It would really work itself out as the different sections on this site
- [00:56:58] <bretonsli>
for instance, there would be a calendar section, showing upcoming openings, etc..
- [00:57:20] <bretonsli>
you go to that section, and calendar events are displayed in hcalendar...
- [00:57:28] <bretonsli>
the artist section displays hcard/hresume
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- [00:57:44] <pnhChris>
well.. ask up front because it impacts how you enforce what data gets entered where
- [00:58:15] <bretonsli>
hrmn
- [01:00:08] <pnhChris>
i dunno the best direction.. i haven't spent a ton of time in the admin interface code.. that plugin was my first one.. and what i saw wasn't all that pretty from the UI markup side
- [01:00:43] <bretonsli>
Well I know that it is easy enough to add extra tabs
- [01:01:54] <bretonsli>
http://zenpsycho.kicks-ass.net/Picture%207.png
- [01:02:12] <pnhChris>
yeah
- [01:02:20] <pnhChris>
its how you want to lock down the data
- [01:02:34] <pnhChris>
that i'm not sure what the cleanest way is
- [01:03:33] <bretonsli>
Well It seems to me that the cleanest way I can think of, kind of goes beyond the bounds of a simple plugin
- [01:03:54] <bretonsli>
and that is adding seperate types for each microformat
- [01:04:02] <bretonsli>
with their own respective tables in the DB
- [01:04:22] <bretonsli>
And the code that does typing
- [01:04:48] <bretonsli>
and carrying that out to a set of forms under the presentation tab
- [01:06:05] <bretonsli>
since many microformats present a certain level of flexibility in terms of what actual tags you can use...
- [01:06:55] <bretonsli>
for instance, the ability for vevents to be presented as cells in a table...
- [01:07:08] <bretonsli>
the forms would allow that flexibility
- [01:07:54] <bretonsli>
but perhaps it is too much flexibility for the general population as it may allow the breaking of the format
- [01:08:02] <bretonsli>
does that make sense?
- [01:08:44] <pnhChris>
i would either let it all be wide open (my approach) or try and lock it down as much as possible.. which means at least better ui
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bkdelong is B.K. DeLong, Head Research Analyst for HALO Worldwide - http://www.haloworldwide.com. Web: http://www.brain-stream.com. Email: bkdelong@pobox.com and lives in Salem, MA, USA (-5:00 GMT)
- [01:09:04] <pnhChris>
even if it piggy backs on string in some tags
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- [01:10:56] <bretonsli>
It seems to me though that even forms could be locked down to a certain extent through the use of txp tags
- [01:11:47] <bretonsli>
For instance, a set of txp tags with the wrap tag attribute, which enforce proper nesting
- [01:11:58] <bretonsli>
but you can use almost any actual xhtml tags you want
- [01:13:48] <bretonsli>
Then the actual presentation of the microformats is born out through the inclusion of say <txp:vevents category="openings">
- [01:13:56] <bretonsli>
in a page template
- [01:14:09] <pnhChris>
i guess
- [01:14:19] <pnhChris>
just have to be careful whats inside
- [01:14:24] <pnhChris>
from a presentation standpoint
- [01:15:15] <bretonsli>
I'm not sure I understand what you mean.
- [01:15:44] <pnhChris>
er...
- [01:15:44] <bretonsli>
like being careful what is contained in the form for a single vevent?
- [01:15:50] <pnhChris>
yes
- [01:15:59] <bretonsli>
yes that would be the tricky part
- [01:16:41] <pnhChris>
and in editing that later..
- [01:16:50] <bretonsli>
Though I'm not entirely uncomfortable with the idea of assuming that if you're editing a form, that you know what you're doing, more or less
- [01:17:04] <bretonsli>
and if it bothers anyone, I can add a comment saying as much
- [01:17:25] <pnhChris>
i think you have a handle on things
- [01:17:35] <pnhChris>
its a matter of workflow and presentation
- [01:17:51] <pnhChris>
the storage / need for fields will come from that
- [01:18:23] <pnhChris>
maybe just single custom files storing your clean markup or soemthing
- [01:18:42] <pnhChris>
if you don't want to get into full tables for every format
- [01:18:44] <pnhChris>
i dunno
- [01:18:57] <bretonsli>
the alternative to full tables is using the custom fields
- [01:19:06] <pnhChris>
i'm here for questions.. but we're just going around in cicles chatting
- [01:19:07] <pnhChris>
:)
- [01:19:16] <bretonsli>
but the problem I forsee there is if someone installs it as a plugin
- [01:19:29] <bretonsli>
and is already utilizing the custom fields needed by the whole system
- [01:20:08] <bretonsli>
on the other hand, since plugins pretty much allow arbitrary php code, it's possible to include db install and uninstall proceedures in a plugin
- [01:20:16] <bretonsli>
for all the custom tables required
- [01:20:18] <factoryjoe>
tantek: http://blog.codeeg.com/2006/03/20/flock-tails-flocktails/
- [01:20:21] <factoryjoe>
flocktails flies
- [01:21:00] <tantek>
factoryjoe, awesome! please add that to the Implementations sections of hCard, hCalendar (and any other formats it supports)
- [01:21:06] <factoryjoe>
heh
- [01:21:12] <factoryjoe>
hreview, hcal, hcard
- [01:22:28] <tantek>
yes please!
- [01:22:38] <bretonsli>
Alright I think I have a definite direction, thanks for the chat pnhChris
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anytime
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and i'm here... or reachable by mail if theres anything else
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[[hcard]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=5462 * Chris Messina * (+204) Implementations -
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[[hcalendar]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar&diff=0&oldid=5463 * Chris Messina * (+220) Browsing -
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[[xfolk]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=xfolk&diff=0&oldid=5464 * Chris Messina * (+204) Implementations -
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[[hreview]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hreview&diff=0&oldid=5465 * Chris Messina * (+204) Examples in the wild -
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tantek: and xfolk!
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hmm... that last one should go in Implementations, not Examples in the Wild
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in hReview
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tantek: http://www.horsepigcow.com/2006/03/microformats-from-denial-to-peace-in-7.html
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tantek: ok
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yeah, that was an awesome post by Assaf
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stupid hard to use wiki software
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sorry chris, it's the best we have right now
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heh i know
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[[hreview]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hreview&diff=0&oldid=5466 * Chris Messina * (-204) Examples in the wild -
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[[hreview]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hreview&diff=0&oldid=5467 * Chris Messina * (+204) Implementations -
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.
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trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and runs www.csslounge.co.uk
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pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
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dglazkov is Dimitri Glazkov (http://glazkov.com) and lives in Birmingham, AL, USA (-6:00 GMT)
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[[hatom-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hatom-issues&diff=0&oldid=5469 * DavidJanes * (+17) See Also -
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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uh folks, you really should be in the #mix06 channel
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i'm living irc-ing Scott Isaac's session where he is talking about using microformats
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but i have to get work done today :)
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[[events]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events&diff=0&oldid=5470 * Tantek * (+94)
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[[events/2006-03-21-mix06-microformats]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2006-03-21-mix06-microformats&diff=0&oldid=5471 * DimitriGlazkov * (+2972) first dump
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briansuda is brian suda of X2V fame
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hi brian
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did Kevinmarks contact you regarding handling of "Z" datetimes in X2V?
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apparently, "Z" datetimes did not get their seconds padded
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wasn't just Z
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brain, I sent the bug to microfromats-dev
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oh.. x2v.. nvm
- [20:02:02] <tantek>
right
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pnhChris, the hatom2atom xslt needs to be similarly "publisher friendly"
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Kevinmarks, I'm uploading my aerial photos of England and London, would appreciate some tagging since you probably recognize landmarks better than I do. Thanks! http://flickr.com/photos/tantek/
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[[events/2006-03-21-mix06-microformats]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2006-03-21-mix06-microformats&diff=0&oldid=5472 * DimitriGlazkov * (+816)
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[[events/2006-03-21-mix06-microformats]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2006-03-21-mix06-microformats&diff=0&oldid=5473 * DimitriGlazkov * (+6)
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ii''ll have alook into the seconds padding, i know we had this problem before.
- [20:06:56] <tantek>
yes it sounds familiar
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I think it is "Z" only though
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do you have an example somewhere for me to test against?
- [20:07:06] <tantek>
yes
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check yesterday's chat log
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KevinMarks had posted one to IRC
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and I think sent it to microformats-dev
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list
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my email was a bit flaky yesterday
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whats your best address brain, and I'll send ti to you
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tantek: bigwhitedome hehe,
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brian@suda.co.uk
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Some nice shots though!
- [20:09:21] <briansuda>
i downloaded the MIX06 keynote, nice microformats reference!
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sent
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it's been 7 years since i was in london, so they ahve built some new bits
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brian, glad to hear the MIX06 keynote download worked for you
- [20:11:56] <tantek>
could you transcribe that part of the Bill/Tim conversation to this wiki page? exact quotes would be nice. http://microformats.org/wiki/events/2006-03-20-mix06-microformats
- [20:13:16] <briansuda>
it is saving right now, two hours long makes for a big file... when it is all finished i'll do my best to transcribe some stuff tonight. I can clip out that 30 sec portion, maybe we can put that on the site?
- [20:13:24] <tantek>
that would be awesome
- [20:13:37] <tantek>
yes if you can clip out the 30 sec video clip we should podcast that too
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[[events/2006-03-21-mix06-microformats]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2006-03-21-mix06-microformats&diff=0&oldid=5474 * DimitriGlazkov * (+81)
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[[events/2006-03-21-mix06-microformats]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2006-03-21-mix06-microformats&diff=0&oldid=5475 * DimitriGlazkov * (+41) formatting changes
- [20:16:57] <factoryjoe>
briansuda: where'd you download it from?
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- [20:17:46] <briansuda>
i downloaded the whole stream then copy/paste in QuickTime Pro (little trick to save files they don't let you save!)... let me find the link - it might be the one off your site.
- [20:18:29] <tantek>
is there a wiki somewhere where all the QuickTime UI idiocies are documented?
- [20:18:33] <KevinMarks>
heh
- [20:18:37] <factoryjoe>
whoa
- [20:18:45] <KevinMarks>
curl -O is my favorite way to do that
- [20:19:02] <briansuda>
http://metahost.savvislive.com/microsoft/20060320/mix_gates_20060320_100.asx (that links directly to the avi)
- [20:19:58] <briansuda>
i think this might be an issue with Flip4Mac, you can watch, but to save you need to upgrade to PRO, OR you can select all, copy, new window, paste - save as mov....
- [20:20:21] <factoryjoe>
ok
- [20:20:21] <factoryjoe>
what's the time stamp of the microformats comment?
- [20:20:21] <factoryjoe>
bill said something about the clipboard around 13'58"
- [20:20:21] <factoryjoe>
also, check my comments: http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/03/20/flocktails-for-flock/#comments
- [20:21:15] <briansuda>
he drop the word "microformat" around the 1 hour mark
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- [20:23:09] <KevinMarks>
you can make an asx that points a bit of time
- [20:23:49] <KevinMarks>
eg http://homepage.mac.com/kevinmarks/scsray.asx
- [20:24:16] <KevinMarks>
an asx is a tect file
- [20:24:22] <KevinMarks>
text file
- [20:25:22] <tantek>
breaking for lunch
- [20:26:13] <KevinMarks>
give me start times and duratiosn fro the clips and I'll edit them in
- [20:27:40] <briansuda>
my file is saving, when it is finished i'll try to get some start stops... it is at about 1 hour in when the question starts
- [20:29:58] <mfbot>
[[events/2006-03-21-mix06-microformats]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2006-03-21-mix06-microformats&diff=0&oldid=5476 * DimitriGlazkov * (+2274)
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[[events/2006-03-21-mix06-microformats]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2006-03-21-mix06-microformats&diff=0&oldid=5477 * DimitriGlazkov * (+3) Q&A -
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[[hcard]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=5478 * BenWest * (+71) Examples in the wild -
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[[events/2006-03-21-mix06-microformats]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2006-03-21-mix06-microformats&diff=0&oldid=5479 * Tantek * (+130)
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- [20:37:20] <KevinMarks>
that stream is gapping too much for me at work, i'll try ti at home
- [20:41:08] <dglazkov>
holly over at mix06 channel mentioned something about microformats.org being blocked by some(?) firewalls(?). Anybody heard anything like that?
- [20:42:27] <dglazkov>
"our sonicwall firewall blocks microformats, it thinks its a gaming site"
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- [22:59:32] <briansuda>
59:33 - 1:01:18 (1
- [23:00:01] <briansuda>
sorry, 59:33 - 1:01:18 is the Q&A for microformats in the MIX06 keynote
- [23:00:19] <tantek>
not Q&A. that's the conversation between Tim O'Reilly and Bill Gates.
- [23:00:27] <KevinMarks>
OK
- [23:00:55] <briansuda>
that's the long question, Tim jumps in half way, but i think 59:33 is a good start
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- [23:01:11] <briansuda>
i'll trim it out by itself tonight and get a transcripion for the wiki
- [23:01:18] <tantek>
Thanks Brian!
- [23:01:22] <KevinMarks>
i'm doing it now...
- [23:01:31] <imajes>
hey tankek
- [23:01:35] <imajes>
er.. tantek
- [23:01:37] <tantek>
I distinctly remember that the microformats discussion was purely part of the conversation with Tim O'Reilly
- [23:01:39] <tantek>
not during Q&A
- [23:02:01] <briansuda>
Kevin: what exactly are you doing? i can do the other half.
- [23:02:19] <briansuda>
yes, it is not Q&A it is the Tim O'Reilly conversation/Questions
- [23:05:02] <KevinMarks>
http://homepage.mac.com/kevinmarks/mix06mf.asx
- [23:05:39] <KevinMarks>
bandwidth here is making it cough for me - is that the right bit?
- [23:10:21] <briansuda>
it is starting at the beginning for me with that link
- [23:15:39] <KevinMarks>
hm
- [23:15:52] <KevinMarks>
what are you playing it with?
- [23:16:10] <KevinMarks>
WMP on my mac starts at that timepoint, but coughs
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- [23:16:33] <KevinMarks>
do you have some minimal asx parser that just grabs the link?
- [23:20:46] <briansuda>
i am running this out of QuickTime my Mac, Windows Media doesn't work on my machine anymore
- [23:20:52] <KevinMarks>
ah
- [23:21:43] <KevinMarks>
well, if you can edit it out and make a proper crossplatform mp4 or somehting instead of Windows Media, thats a win
- [23:22:05] <briansuda>
i am almost there with the editting out the clip
- [23:22:15] <KevinMarks>
did you get the X2V bug report, btw?
- [23:23:09] <briansuda>
i know what the big problem is, the software assumes that if there is a Z at the end it is an OK timestamp. i just need to check it even if it does have a Z
- [23:23:27] <KevinMarks>
OK
- [23:23:34] <briansuda>
we had a similar problem earlier with Padding, but that was on something like a midnight, or something when we added/subtracted timezones.
- [23:23:48] <briansuda>
i certainly know how to fix this problem, i'll see what i can do tonight about it
- [23:23:49] <KevinMarks>
I remember that one...
- [23:24:06] <KevinMarks>
as Ryan's generator uses Z for GMT, we may see more of them until you go to BST in a few weeks
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- [23:28:35] <briansuda>
OK, i have the mp4 @2.2 meg and a mov @2.8 meg 1:54 video
- [23:29:04] <briansuda>
where/who should i send it to, to post it on internet?
- [23:31:27] <briansuda>
i gotta run, but if someone has extra bandwidth for this video, just email me
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hello dbaron. welcome!
- [23:47:33] <dbaron>
hi
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