IRC Log for #microformats on 2006-03-27

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  2. [00:13:44] <jibot> pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
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  18. [03:25:36] <mfbot> [[workofart-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=workofart-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=5587 * TimG * (+4) editorial adjustment in introduction
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  25. [04:17:56] <KevinMarks> http://benbarren.blogspot.com/2006/03/paula-abdul-to-start-microformats-idol.html
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  30. [05:12:46] <mfbot> [[directions-examples]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/directions-examples * Tantek * (+480)
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  40. [09:28:14] <mfbot> [[directions-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=directions-examples&diff=0&oldid=5589 * ZenPsycho * (+3113) examples -
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  43. [09:44:27] <bretonslivka> wow, msn's source is cleaner than google's
  44. [10:08:09] <bewest> I think google attempts to compress their source
  45. [10:08:18] <bewest> fewer bytes on the line...
  46. [10:32:32] <bretonslivka> That does not seem to be the case in google maps
  47. [10:32:47] <bretonslivka> most of the code on the page is placed there by javascript
  48. [10:32:57] <bretonslivka> and itself includes much javascript
  49. [10:33:25] <bretonslivka> directions-examples
  50. [11:21:54] <mfbot> [[User:Izo]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User:Izo&diff=0&oldid=5591 * Izo * (+38)
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  54. [13:29:35] <jibot> bkdelong is B.K. DeLong, Head Research Analyst for HALO Worldwide - http://www.haloworldwide.com. Web: http://www.brain-stream.com. Email: bkdelong@pobox.com and lives in Salem, MA, USA (-5:00 GMT)
  55. [13:33:35] <mfbot> [[hcard]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=5593 * Article7 * (+167) Examples in the wild - Window on Woking
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  72. [16:11:05] <jibot> dglazkov is Dimitri Glazkov (http://glazkov.com) and lives in Birmingham, AL, USA (-6:00 GMT)
  73. [16:13:23] <mfbot> [[hcard]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=5596 * Ciordia9 * (+174) Examples in the wild -
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  75. [16:17:46] <jibot> pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
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  104. [19:04:04] <mfbot> [[hcalendar]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar&diff=0&oldid=5597 * Raster * (+90) Examples in the wild - added link to ocono.com
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  111. [20:35:32] <pnhChris> anyone here run NetNewsWire 2.x (not lite) and want to try something?
  112. [20:38:21] <pnhChris> (hatom subscriptions)
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  114. [20:38:53] <_fil_> I don't
  115. [20:40:09] * bewest wishes someone had a php4 function to parse an hcard
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  117. [20:48:00] <factoryjoe> pnhChris: i do
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  119. [20:50:19] <pnhChris> factoryjoe: i haven't written up instructions yet, but want to try subscribing to a hatom document with my applescript at: http://placenamehere.com/mf/netnewswire/
  120. [20:50:45] <pnhChris> (slightly modified from what I mailed the list a few days ago)
  121. [20:50:45] <factoryjoe> ok
  122. [20:51:26] <pnhChris> (1) extract the zip... put the 3 files in ~/Library/Application Support/NetNewsWire/Scripts
  123. [20:51:47] <pnhChris> (2) follow the pictures to subscribe to something that uses hatom ... like http://chunkysoup.net
  124. [20:51:58] <pnhChris> .. and let me know if it works ;)
  125. [20:52:47] <factoryjoe> kk
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  127. [21:02:31] <bewest> it'd be nice to get a usability expert of some kind to help determine the best way for presenting an interface to editing/creating an hcard (and/or other MF's) would look like
  128. [21:02:51] <bewest> the labels are abstract/ambiguous to some degree to support a wide range of uses...
  129. [21:03:04] <bewest> and most of the attributes are probably commonly unused
  130. [21:03:49] <factoryjoe> bewest: i'm working on something like that
  131. [21:03:50] <bewest> so how do you provide them in a way that isn't distracting and is easy/natural to use without the user being familiar with the special knowledge of what 'region' means in their locale
  132. [21:04:07] <bewest> yeah?
  133. [21:04:11] <bewest> I'm very interested
  134. [21:04:26] <bewest> how are you working on it?
  135. [21:04:43] <factoryjoe> well
  136. [21:04:48] <factoryjoe> you're on the MF list?
  137. [21:04:52] <bewest> erm
  138. [21:04:54] <bewest> I thought I was
  139. [21:04:57] <bewest> but I don't get emails
  140. [21:04:59] <bewest> so maybe I'm not
  141. [21:05:09] <bewest> maybe it's going into my spam
  142. [21:05:15] <pnhChris> I'd think the interactions between apps are what really need the examination.. that's after all where the big win is.. not in adding am hcard to an individual page. .but grabbing data from Outlook and dropping it into an app.. or puliing data from a page generated by an existing db and resuing it
  143. [21:06:12] <pnhChris> especailly things like hatom that get templated once and then all happens behidn the scenes
  144. [21:06:35] <bewest> oh I have been recieving them
  145. [21:06:46] <bewest> it's in my label "microformats" even
  146. [21:06:51] <bewest> 600+ messages
  147. [21:07:10] <factoryjoe> heh
  148. [21:07:17] <bewest> pnhChris: yes, but the data has to come from somewhere
  149. [21:07:22] <factoryjoe> bewest: check out today's thread about behavior
  150. [21:07:22] <bewest> pnhChris: and it's going to come from a human
  151. [21:07:25] <pnhChris> .. or general CMS / blogging tools that remeber data you've already entered and give you good ways to reuse them isnide the app
  152. [21:07:33] <factoryjoe> pnhChris: i think moving off the desktop will be essential
  153. [21:07:41] <factoryjoe> as in the web clipboard demo
  154. [21:07:44] <factoryjoe> it's website to website now
  155. [21:07:48] <factoryjoe> not just app to app
  156. [21:08:05] <factoryjoe> it's also about pulling data from arbitrary sources at "run time"
  157. [21:08:08] <bewest> I'm currently concerned with how to collect the most data from the human (for the initial capture of an hcard) with the most fields possible with the least amount of effort/angst on the users end
  158. [21:08:10] <factoryjoe> i.e. when you're visiting a webpage
  159. [21:08:10] <pnhChris> bewest: not always from a human... infact i think most cases will remain to be extractiosn from existign data sets
  160. [21:08:22] <bewest> once it's captured in an information system yeah, we can pass it around the web all we like
  161. [21:08:26] <factoryjoe> i dunno
  162. [21:08:29] <bewest> well.. you may have a point
  163. [21:08:37] <factoryjoe> i think we need to look at data slurpage over time
  164. [21:08:39] <factoryjoe> not at one time
  165. [21:08:40] <bewest> in MY app a lot is going to come from humans initially
  166. [21:08:46] <pnhChris> ... be it an amalgamation of data entered in your flicker account... or pulled from a claenderaing app that only uses hcalendar for presentation and instead collects other data
  167. [21:08:49] <factoryjoe> it's no longer about data entry
  168. [21:08:53] <factoryjoe> it's about data magnets
  169. [21:08:54] <bewest> because there is no data to pull from another source
  170. [21:08:56] <bewest> right
  171. [21:09:01] <bewest> factoryjoe: yeah I like that
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  173. [21:09:35] <bewest> anyway, my specific problem atm is that I'm not storing the individual fields in the database... I'm storing an hcard (the markup) in the database in one field called "content"
  174. [21:09:41] <bewest> so my content field has the entire hcard
  175. [21:09:48] <pnhChris> yes, point was the process is bigger then entering, except in a few specific cases
  176. [21:10:03] <bewest> which means to edit this record, I have to parse the hcard, and display a form with it all filled out
  177. [21:10:26] <bewest> but I'm still left with the case of missing properties, and how do you provide addition/removal of extra properties
  178. [21:10:35] <bewest> for example name prefixes and suffixes
  179. [21:10:49] <bewest> right now I don't collect it at all because it'd clutter up the interface
  180. [21:11:05] <bewest> but if someone really wanted it, what would be the best way to provide capturing it
  181. [21:11:34] <pnhChris> a completely freeform hcard isn't easy
  182. [21:11:40] <pnhChris> from a UI perspective
  183. [21:11:54] <bewest> yeah, that's where I'm coming from right now
  184. [21:12:16] <pnhChris> my form for the textpattern plugin was fairly limited as well
  185. [21:12:22] <bewest> damn gmail is giving me some error 704 crap
  186. [21:12:27] <pnhChris> and included a 2nd ui piece for adrs
  187. [21:12:38] <bewest> I mostly copied tantek's hcard-o-matic
  188. [21:12:52] <pnhChris> .. and i don't re-arse the info, just build the tag
  189. [21:12:59] <pnhChris> re-parse*
  190. [21:13:38] <pnhChris> but i could fairly easily, because the data is stored not in html, but in a custom tag (textpattern) that gets parsed after authoring
  191. [21:13:49] <factoryjoe> hmm\
  192. [21:13:53] <factoryjoe> that's a tough one
  193. [21:13:58] <factoryjoe> i mean, we really only care about FNs
  194. [21:14:31] <bewest> yeah... I suppose the spirit of things here is to not worry to much about the fringe patterns?
  195. [21:14:33] <bewest> 80/20?
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  197. [21:14:57] <bewest> but at some point it'd be nice to have an editing solution that conforms to the whole standard, not most of the standard
  198. [21:15:09] <pnhChris> there's 3 issues with hcard if i remember.. the variety of name formats based on what data you have, the 0-N adr issue, and the simple range of other datta you can collect at 0-N
  199. [21:15:25] <pnhChris> (similar hcalendar editing issues)
  200. [21:15:33] <bewest> I already use behaviour.js heavily
  201. [21:15:43] <bewest> it's not that great for parsing hcards, afaik
  202. [21:16:02] <bewest> well maybe for parsing
  203. [21:16:03] <pnhChris> ... and in none of those cases does a UI , even a great one, allow the ability to overlay microformats on freeform text well
  204. [21:16:04] <bewest> but not for editing
  205. [21:16:35] <pnhChris> ... they're only good if you're dropping blocks of data into the middle of a document
  206. [21:17:04] <factoryjoe> yes
  207. [21:17:13] <factoryjoe> well i think that we'll see blogging tools get insertion tools first
  208. [21:17:16] <factoryjoe> and wikis second
  209. [21:17:23] <factoryjoe> (if i have any say, that is)
  210. [21:17:31] <factoryjoe> and hell, maybe a browser that knows blogging
  211. [21:17:49] <pnhChris> well, UI is somethign i want to revisit on my textpattern tool
  212. [21:18:27] <pnhChris> but i still don't see good ways of building, say, what will probably becoem the typical address/hcard/author build
  213. [21:18:30] <pnhChris> on a page
  214. [21:18:37] <bewest> hmm that window thin is neat
  215. [21:18:42] <bewest> too bloated though
  216. [21:18:54] <bewest> I was going to use something liek that
  217. [21:19:01] <pnhChris> where its a line of text with some but not all visible content inside specific elements
  218. [21:19:05] <factoryjoe> pnhChris: what UI do you have?
  219. [21:19:08] <factoryjoe> can you flickr it?
  220. [21:19:18] <bewest> except using http://particletree.com/features/lightbox-gone-wild/
  221. [21:19:45] <pnhChris> just reusing the form builders that textpattern has for other tags
  222. [21:20:40] <bewest> maybe there is just a basic form
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  224. [21:20:44] <jibot> briansuda is brian suda of X2V fame
  225. [21:20:53] <bewest> with ghosted text like silver colored <enter name here>
  226. [21:21:03] <bewest> when you click it turns into an input
  227. [21:21:13] <pnhChris> they're fairly "dumb" now... with just a bunch of fields.. and the logic on the backend to handle some of the rules
  228. [21:21:16] <bewest> when you blur it goes back to plain text, but with the actual input
  229. [21:21:27] <bewest> and initially it's just basic information
  230. [21:21:39] <bewest> but you can click on "advanced" and an advanced panel would slide out underneat
  231. [21:21:42] <pnhChris> ends up similar to tantek's builders, with a bit more logic behidn them
  232. [21:21:46] <bewest> yeah
  233. [21:21:55] <bewest> in-place-transparent-editing
  234. [21:21:56] <bewest> or something
  235. [21:22:21] <bewest> would that be generally useful?
  236. [21:22:33] <bewest> if so I'll start right away
  237. [21:22:51] <bewest> gonna be a pain to code though
  238. [21:23:36] <factoryjoe> go for simple above all else
  239. [21:23:51] <factoryjoe> frankly if you can just embed a vcard span, we'll be in good shape
  240. [21:24:04] <factoryjoe> you could add a button to tiny mce
  241. [21:24:10] <factoryjoe> "insert person's name"
  242. [21:24:22] <factoryjoe> bootstrap it
  243. [21:24:23] <bewest> well I've got a simple version http://nearwhere.com/guest/
  244. [21:24:26] <factoryjoe> and add to the data after the fact
  245. [21:24:30] <factoryjoe> basically
  246. [21:24:42] <factoryjoe> once you get jsut ONE hcard, you can expand it later
  247. [21:24:54] <factoryjoe> or, as you pick up hcards for the same person, merge the extended data
  248. [21:25:16] <factoryjoe> bewest: whoa...Warning: Division by zero in /home/nearwhere/www/libs/functions.php on line 36
  249. [21:25:19] <factoryjoe> Warning: Division by zero in /home/nearwhere/www/libs/functions.php on line 37
  250. [21:25:22] <bewest> gah
  251. [21:25:22] <factoryjoe> NearWhere Lodging near -, -, -
  252. [21:25:25] <factoryjoe> Back to Map Navigation Link Without Marker
  253. [21:26:01] <bewest> interesting
  254. [21:26:02] <bewest> hrm
  255. [21:26:09] <bewest> ip2geo must have failed on you
  256. [21:27:00] <bewest> http://nearwhere.com/guest/40.3616,-74.263,6/?t=Map
  257. [21:27:38] <pnhChris> the screenshot doesn't exactly tell the whole picture.. the tag that gets build can be put anywhere in a post... and the adr building comes from another window like that and gets placed into the content area of the hcard tag... http://placenamehere.com/temp/txp_hcard_builder.png
  258. [21:27:54] <pnhChris> factoryjoe: did you get a chance to try the NNW thing?
  259. [21:28:26] * dmose (n=dmose@dsl081-050-187.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net) Quit ("Leaving")
  260. [21:28:26] <pnhChris> .. but that textpattern plugin is "simple" like tanteks builders in that it doesn't provide a ton of flexibility
  261. [21:29:41] <factoryjoe> pnhChris: not just yet
  262. [21:31:37] <bewest> btw, anyone want to meet up wed. or thur. night in San Fransisco?
  263. [21:31:41] <bewest> I'm flying in for an interview
  264. [21:33:21] <factoryjoe> hey sure
  265. [21:33:39] <pnhChris> off for a bit to get some work done
  266. [21:33:44] * pnhChris is now known as pnhAway
  267. [21:34:54] * bear_lunch is now known as bear
  268. [21:35:00] <bewest> factoryjoe: ok neat
  269. [21:35:07] <factoryjoe> ;)
  270. [21:36:32] * bewest scrounges around for an hcard with all available properties marked up
  271. [21:38:38] <factoryjoe> good luck
  272. [21:41:46] <bewest> thinking how to do inline editing... maybe something like <ul class="modal_edit"><li class="selected"><span class="fn init">&lt;enter name&gt;</span></li><li class="inactive"><input id="vfn" value=""></li></ul>
  273. [21:42:07] <bewest> then when you click on selected it switches around
  274. [21:42:12] <factoryjoe> no
  275. [21:42:14] <factoryjoe> that's ba
  276. [21:42:17] <factoryjoe> bad
  277. [21:42:23] <factoryjoe> don't create the hcard before it has a value
  278. [21:42:32] <factoryjoe> flock will be indexing MFs
  279. [21:42:41] * briansuda (n=briansud@h-68-166-252-239.chcgilgm.covad.net) Quit ()
  280. [21:42:45] <factoryjoe> and if it comes across empty hcards, it'll likely index them
  281. [21:42:50] <bewest> I see :-(
  282. [21:42:52] <bewest> yeah that's bad
  283. [21:42:56] <bewest> hrm
  284. [21:43:07] <bewest> so need a pseudo-hcard
  285. [21:43:51] <bewest> maybe vvfn for display, vfn for input, then fn for the actual hcard
  286. [21:44:03] <_fil_> is flock going to detect/display rss feeds sometime?
  287. [21:44:36] <factoryjoe> ?
  288. [21:44:37] <factoryjoe> it already does
  289. [21:44:55] <factoryjoe> pnhAway: your script rocks!
  290. [21:45:13] <_fil_> sorry i haven't tried since the first beta
  291. [21:45:18] <factoryjoe> can i blog it?
  292. [21:45:20] <factoryjoe> ah
  293. [21:45:26] <factoryjoe> you might try 0.5.13
  294. [21:45:50] <_fil_> I'll go 0.7
  295. [21:47:02] <bewest> gah, problem with what I just described is that it breaks tabbing between fields
  296. [21:47:33] <pnhAway> factoryjoe: was planning to write it up and give it some proper instructions as soon as i had time (today or tomorrow).. but if you want to link it be my guest
  297. [21:47:55] <pnhAway> the zip isn't chaning.. since it seems to work
  298. [21:47:59] <pnhAway> changing*
  299. [21:48:12] <factoryjoe> ok nice
  300. [21:48:21] <factoryjoe> how good does the hatom implementation need to be?
  301. [21:48:29] <factoryjoe> like, how robust is the script on bad xhtml?
  302. [21:48:33] <pnhAway> not
  303. [21:48:37] <factoryjoe> kk
  304. [21:49:02] <pnhAway> it doesn't run the page through tidy cause i don't know what the isntall base is by default.. know its not on this 10.3.9 box
  305. [21:49:45] <pnhAway> .. but i think its on 10.4.x
  306. [21:50:11] <factoryjoe> ok
  307. [21:51:06] <factoryjoe> ooo
  308. [21:51:17] <factoryjoe> i'd love a script that would process NNW entries for hcards
  309. [21:51:21] <factoryjoe> and then add them to the address book
  310. [21:51:30] <factoryjoe> i guess that might be a bit premature
  311. [21:51:33] <factoryjoe> ah
  312. [21:51:37] <factoryjoe> ding ding ding
  313. [21:51:43] <factoryjoe> w/ the CSS layer
  314. [21:52:24] <factoryjoe> you could do something like .vcard fn:after {content: "add to address book";} and somehow linkify that post to the technorati contact parser
  315. [21:53:11] <bewest> s/fn/.fn/
  316. [21:55:36] <factoryjoe> right
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  319. [21:59:26] <KevinMarks> you could do an applescript to do it chris
  320. [22:00:18] <factoryjoe> right
  321. [22:00:21] <factoryjoe> well i'd have a hard time
  322. [22:00:24] <factoryjoe> but someone else could!
  323. [22:00:25] <factoryjoe> ;)
  324. [22:00:26] <factoryjoe> ooo
  325. [22:00:30] <factoryjoe> ok
  326. [22:00:35] <factoryjoe> here's the challenge
  327. [22:00:52] <factoryjoe> pipe all incoming RSS into a plugin for spotlight that detects MFs
  328. [22:01:00] <factoryjoe> and when i do a search
  329. [22:01:06] * bkdelong (n=bkdelong@h-67-102-164-116.cmbrmaor.covad.net) Quit ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com")
  330. [22:01:12] <factoryjoe> it should be able to pull out contacts, events and so on
  331. [22:01:14] <factoryjoe> in fact
  332. [22:01:19] <factoryjoe> it should open them in address book and calendar
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  334. [22:17:20] <mfbot> [[work-of-art]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=work-of-art&diff=0&oldid=5598 * TimG * (+189) Reorganized index and clarified the contents of each page
  335. [22:22:25] * izo (n=izo@boi59-1-82-66-128-84.fbx.proxad.net) Quit ()
  336. [22:25:09] <KevinMarks> incoming in what app though?
  337. [22:29:04] <jonnay> Can someone explain to me what problem hAtom solves?
  338. [22:29:21] <jonnay> I mean, we have atom/rss. Why do we need a syndication microformat?
  339. [22:29:27] <KevinMarks> representing a feed in HTML
  340. [22:30:11] <KevinMarks> conversely, I have a blog, why do I need another copy of the posts wrapped in XML instead of HTML?
  341. [22:30:47] <jonnay> Hmm.. K. That was my dumb question for today.
  342. [22:31:04] <jonnay> Thanks!
  343. [22:31:59] * dglazkov (n=dglazkov@adsl-065-081-081-030.sip.bhm.bellsouth.net) Quit ()
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  345. [22:46:28] * bewest discovers DOMIT for php ... mmmmmm
  346. [22:46:37] <bewest> provides DOM access and XPATH access
  347. [22:46:59] <bewest> hmmm I suppose someone has a list of XPATH things to parse an hcard I could just recycle
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  349. [22:51:25] <jonnay> mm, imma php monkey.. gonna check that out..
  350. [22:56:44] <bewest> jonnay: found it at phpclasses.org
  351. [22:56:47] <bewest> looks good
  352. [22:56:54] <bewest> actually it looks perfect
  353. [22:57:08] <bewest> it must be new because I looked for something like this several months ago and came up with nothing
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  355. [22:58:51] <bewest> it claims complete DOM level 2 support
  356. [22:59:37] <bewest> I'm going to attempt to copy the xpath stuff from xslt to a php script
  357. [23:00:48] <jonnay> The next time I need to do some dom parsing, I'll keep that in mind, it looks hella slick.
  358. [23:13:12] <bewest> *[contains(concat(' ',normalize-space(@class),' '),' vcard ')] <--- is this a pure XPATH string or is it XSLT stuff in there too?
  359. [23:14:25] <KevinMarks> factoryjoe: btw, it's microid.org
  360. [23:14:33] <KevinMarks> not .com
  361. [23:14:47] <factoryjoe> doh!
  362. [23:14:48] <factoryjoe> thx
  363. [23:15:03] <KevinMarks> i clicked through and got very confused
  364. [23:15:53] <factoryjoe> ah
  365. [23:15:55] <factoryjoe> ;)
  366. [23:16:13] <KevinMarks> the microid sounds liek the old tehcnorati blog claiming thing
  367. [23:16:28] <KevinMarks> which generated huge hash strings that were not much help
  368. [23:16:37] <factoryjoe> yeah
  369. [23:16:41] <factoryjoe> it doesn't seem very usable
  370. [23:16:41] <KevinMarks> and always got broken in 2 by the emailer
  371. [23:16:47] <factoryjoe> for humans
  372. [23:22:11] <KevinMarks> and it looks like rampant class abuse
  373. [23:22:40] <factoryjoe> yeah
  374. [23:22:46] <factoryjoe> it's not really a "class"
  375. [23:22:49] <factoryjoe> it's more like a marker
  376. [23:22:53] <KevinMarks> same bug as FOAF too
  377. [23:22:59] <factoryjoe> how so?
  378. [23:23:12] <KevinMarks> assumption that you have one hashable email address
  379. [23:23:40] <KevinMarks> email addresses aren't good shared secrets
  380. [23:27:54] <factoryjoe> ah right
  381. [23:41:34] <mfbot> [[hcard]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=5599 * Tantek * (+93) Examples in the wild -
  382. [23:42:10] <mfbot> [[hcard]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=5600 * Tantek * (+126) Examples in the wild -
  383. [23:45:53] * pnhAway is now known as pnhChris
  384. [23:48:14] <jonnay> Ugh.
  385. [23:48:50] <jonnay> I see what you guys mean bout microid.
  386. [23:49:16] <jonnay> What a great idea, but implanting the microid in the class is downright unuseable.
  387. [23:49:29] <jonnay> its neither human readable, or even very machine parseable.
  388. [23:50:11] * jonnay wonders what would be wrong with <span class="microid">hash</span>

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