IRC Log for #microformats on 2006-03-27
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pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
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[[work-of-art]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=work-of-art&diff=0&oldid=5582 * TimG * (+1) changed "a xhtml" to "an xhtml"
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[[workofart-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=workofart-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=5583 * TimG * (+44)
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[[workofart-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=workofart-examples&diff=0&oldid=5584 * TimG * (+68) Added project navigation in introduction
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[[workofart-formats]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=workofart-formats&diff=0&oldid=5585 * TimG * (+69) Added project navigation in introduction
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[[workofart-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=workofart-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=5586 * TimG * (+63)
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[[workofart-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=workofart-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=5587 * TimG * (+4) editorial adjustment in introduction
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[[workofart-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=workofart-examples&diff=0&oldid=5588 * TimG * (+98) Added UCLA Hammer Museum example, alphabetized examples by museum nameExamples -
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http://benbarren.blogspot.com/2006/03/paula-abdul-to-start-microformats-idol.html
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[[directions-examples]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/directions-examples * Tantek * (+480)
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karlUshi is karlcow
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[[directions-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=directions-examples&diff=0&oldid=5589 * ZenPsycho * (+3113) examples -
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[[directions-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=directions-examples&diff=0&oldid=5590 * ZenPsycho * (+919) examples -
- [09:44:27] <bretonslivka>
wow, msn's source is cleaner than google's
- [10:08:09] <bewest>
I think google attempts to compress their source
- [10:08:18] <bewest>
fewer bytes on the line...
- [10:32:32] <bretonslivka>
That does not seem to be the case in google maps
- [10:32:47] <bretonslivka>
most of the code on the page is placed there by javascript
- [10:32:57] <bretonslivka>
and itself includes much javascript
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directions-examples
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[[User:Izo]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User:Izo&diff=0&oldid=5591 * Izo * (+38)
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[[hresume]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hresume&diff=0&oldid=5592 * Izo * (+92) Examples in the wild -
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bkdelong is B.K. DeLong, Head Research Analyst for HALO Worldwide - http://www.haloworldwide.com. Web: http://www.brain-stream.com. Email: bkdelong@pobox.com and lives in Salem, MA, USA (-5:00 GMT)
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[[hcard]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=5593 * Article7 * (+167) Examples in the wild - Window on Woking
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dglazkov is Dimitri Glazkov (http://glazkov.com) and lives in Birmingham, AL, USA (-6:00 GMT)
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[[hatom]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hatom&diff=0&oldid=5594 * Fil * (-207) Pre 0.1 hAtom implementations - sedna is hatom 0.1 compliant now
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[[hatom]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hatom&diff=0&oldid=5595 * Fil * (+207) 0.1 hAtom implementations - Sedna is hAtom 0.1 compliant now
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dglazkov is Dimitri Glazkov (http://glazkov.com) and lives in Birmingham, AL, USA (-6:00 GMT)
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[[hcard]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=5596 * Ciordia9 * (+174) Examples in the wild -
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pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
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hober is Edward O'Connor and works for EVDB on http://eventful.com/ and lives in San Diego, CA (-08:00)
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RobertBachmann is Robert Bachmann <http://rbach.priv.at/> and lives in Austria (Timezone: UTC+02)
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[[hcalendar]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar&diff=0&oldid=5597 * Raster * (+90) Examples in the wild - added link to ocono.com
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limbo_ is Eran and blogs at http://hellonline.com/blog/
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- [20:35:32] <pnhChris>
anyone here run NetNewsWire 2.x (not lite) and want to try something?
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(hatom subscriptions)
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- [20:38:53] <_fil_>
I don't
- [20:40:09] * bewest wishes someone had a php4 function to parse an hcard
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- [20:48:00] <factoryjoe>
pnhChris: i do
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- [20:50:19] <pnhChris>
factoryjoe: i haven't written up instructions yet, but want to try subscribing to a hatom document with my applescript at: http://placenamehere.com/mf/netnewswire/
- [20:50:45] <pnhChris>
(slightly modified from what I mailed the list a few days ago)
- [20:50:45] <factoryjoe>
ok
- [20:51:26] <pnhChris>
(1) extract the zip... put the 3 files in ~/Library/Application Support/NetNewsWire/Scripts
- [20:51:47] <pnhChris>
(2) follow the pictures to subscribe to something that uses hatom ... like http://chunkysoup.net
- [20:51:58] <pnhChris>
.. and let me know if it works ;)
- [20:52:47] <factoryjoe>
kk
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- [21:02:31] <bewest>
it'd be nice to get a usability expert of some kind to help determine the best way for presenting an interface to editing/creating an hcard (and/or other MF's) would look like
- [21:02:51] <bewest>
the labels are abstract/ambiguous to some degree to support a wide range of uses...
- [21:03:04] <bewest>
and most of the attributes are probably commonly unused
- [21:03:49] <factoryjoe>
bewest: i'm working on something like that
- [21:03:50] <bewest>
so how do you provide them in a way that isn't distracting and is easy/natural to use without the user being familiar with the special knowledge of what 'region' means in their locale
- [21:04:07] <bewest>
yeah?
- [21:04:11] <bewest>
I'm very interested
- [21:04:26] <bewest>
how are you working on it?
- [21:04:43] <factoryjoe>
well
- [21:04:48] <factoryjoe>
you're on the MF list?
- [21:04:52] <bewest>
erm
- [21:04:54] <bewest>
I thought I was
- [21:04:57] <bewest>
but I don't get emails
- [21:04:59] <bewest>
so maybe I'm not
- [21:05:09] <bewest>
maybe it's going into my spam
- [21:05:15] <pnhChris>
I'd think the interactions between apps are what really need the examination.. that's after all where the big win is.. not in adding am hcard to an individual page. .but grabbing data from Outlook and dropping it into an app.. or puliing data from a page generated by an existing db and resuing it
- [21:06:12] <pnhChris>
especailly things like hatom that get templated once and then all happens behidn the scenes
- [21:06:35] <bewest>
oh I have been recieving them
- [21:06:46] <bewest>
it's in my label "microformats" even
- [21:06:51] <bewest>
600+ messages
- [21:07:10] <factoryjoe>
heh
- [21:07:17] <bewest>
pnhChris: yes, but the data has to come from somewhere
- [21:07:22] <factoryjoe>
bewest: check out today's thread about behavior
- [21:07:22] <bewest>
pnhChris: and it's going to come from a human
- [21:07:25] <pnhChris>
.. or general CMS / blogging tools that remeber data you've already entered and give you good ways to reuse them isnide the app
- [21:07:33] <factoryjoe>
pnhChris: i think moving off the desktop will be essential
- [21:07:41] <factoryjoe>
as in the web clipboard demo
- [21:07:44] <factoryjoe>
it's website to website now
- [21:07:48] <factoryjoe>
not just app to app
- [21:08:05] <factoryjoe>
it's also about pulling data from arbitrary sources at "run time"
- [21:08:08] <bewest>
I'm currently concerned with how to collect the most data from the human (for the initial capture of an hcard) with the most fields possible with the least amount of effort/angst on the users end
- [21:08:10] <factoryjoe>
i.e. when you're visiting a webpage
- [21:08:10] <pnhChris>
bewest: not always from a human... infact i think most cases will remain to be extractiosn from existign data sets
- [21:08:22] <bewest>
once it's captured in an information system yeah, we can pass it around the web all we like
- [21:08:26] <factoryjoe>
i dunno
- [21:08:29] <bewest>
well.. you may have a point
- [21:08:37] <factoryjoe>
i think we need to look at data slurpage over time
- [21:08:39] <factoryjoe>
not at one time
- [21:08:40] <bewest>
in MY app a lot is going to come from humans initially
- [21:08:46] <pnhChris>
... be it an amalgamation of data entered in your flicker account... or pulled from a claenderaing app that only uses hcalendar for presentation and instead collects other data
- [21:08:49] <factoryjoe>
it's no longer about data entry
- [21:08:53] <factoryjoe>
it's about data magnets
- [21:08:54] <bewest>
because there is no data to pull from another source
- [21:08:56] <bewest>
right
- [21:09:01] <bewest>
factoryjoe: yeah I like that
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- [21:09:35] <bewest>
anyway, my specific problem atm is that I'm not storing the individual fields in the database... I'm storing an hcard (the markup) in the database in one field called "content"
- [21:09:41] <bewest>
so my content field has the entire hcard
- [21:09:48] <pnhChris>
yes, point was the process is bigger then entering, except in a few specific cases
- [21:10:03] <bewest>
which means to edit this record, I have to parse the hcard, and display a form with it all filled out
- [21:10:26] <bewest>
but I'm still left with the case of missing properties, and how do you provide addition/removal of extra properties
- [21:10:35] <bewest>
for example name prefixes and suffixes
- [21:10:49] <bewest>
right now I don't collect it at all because it'd clutter up the interface
- [21:11:05] <bewest>
but if someone really wanted it, what would be the best way to provide capturing it
- [21:11:34] <pnhChris>
a completely freeform hcard isn't easy
- [21:11:40] <pnhChris>
from a UI perspective
- [21:11:54] <bewest>
yeah, that's where I'm coming from right now
- [21:12:16] <pnhChris>
my form for the textpattern plugin was fairly limited as well
- [21:12:22] <bewest>
damn gmail is giving me some error 704 crap
- [21:12:27] <pnhChris>
and included a 2nd ui piece for adrs
- [21:12:38] <bewest>
I mostly copied tantek's hcard-o-matic
- [21:12:52] <pnhChris>
.. and i don't re-arse the info, just build the tag
- [21:12:59] <pnhChris>
re-parse*
- [21:13:38] <pnhChris>
but i could fairly easily, because the data is stored not in html, but in a custom tag (textpattern) that gets parsed after authoring
- [21:13:49] <factoryjoe>
hmm\
- [21:13:53] <factoryjoe>
that's a tough one
- [21:13:58] <factoryjoe>
i mean, we really only care about FNs
- [21:14:31] <bewest>
yeah... I suppose the spirit of things here is to not worry to much about the fringe patterns?
- [21:14:33] <bewest>
80/20?
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- [21:14:57] <bewest>
but at some point it'd be nice to have an editing solution that conforms to the whole standard, not most of the standard
- [21:15:09] <pnhChris>
there's 3 issues with hcard if i remember.. the variety of name formats based on what data you have, the 0-N adr issue, and the simple range of other datta you can collect at 0-N
- [21:15:25] <pnhChris>
(similar hcalendar editing issues)
- [21:15:33] <bewest>
I already use behaviour.js heavily
- [21:15:43] <bewest>
it's not that great for parsing hcards, afaik
- [21:16:02] <bewest>
well maybe for parsing
- [21:16:03] <pnhChris>
... and in none of those cases does a UI , even a great one, allow the ability to overlay microformats on freeform text well
- [21:16:04] <bewest>
but not for editing
- [21:16:35] <pnhChris>
... they're only good if you're dropping blocks of data into the middle of a document
- [21:17:04] <factoryjoe>
yes
- [21:17:13] <factoryjoe>
well i think that we'll see blogging tools get insertion tools first
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and wikis second
- [21:17:23] <factoryjoe>
(if i have any say, that is)
- [21:17:31] <factoryjoe>
and hell, maybe a browser that knows blogging
- [21:17:49] <pnhChris>
well, UI is somethign i want to revisit on my textpattern tool
- [21:18:27] <pnhChris>
but i still don't see good ways of building, say, what will probably becoem the typical address/hcard/author build
- [21:18:30] <pnhChris>
on a page
- [21:18:37] <bewest>
hmm that window thin is neat
- [21:18:42] <bewest>
too bloated though
- [21:18:54] <bewest>
I was going to use something liek that
- [21:19:01] <pnhChris>
where its a line of text with some but not all visible content inside specific elements
- [21:19:05] <factoryjoe>
pnhChris: what UI do you have?
- [21:19:08] <factoryjoe>
can you flickr it?
- [21:19:18] <bewest>
except using http://particletree.com/features/lightbox-gone-wild/
- [21:19:45] <pnhChris>
just reusing the form builders that textpattern has for other tags
- [21:20:40] <bewest>
maybe there is just a basic form
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- [21:20:44] <jibot>
briansuda is brian suda of X2V fame
- [21:20:53] <bewest>
with ghosted text like silver colored <enter name here>
- [21:21:03] <bewest>
when you click it turns into an input
- [21:21:13] <pnhChris>
they're fairly "dumb" now... with just a bunch of fields.. and the logic on the backend to handle some of the rules
- [21:21:16] <bewest>
when you blur it goes back to plain text, but with the actual input
- [21:21:27] <bewest>
and initially it's just basic information
- [21:21:39] <bewest>
but you can click on "advanced" and an advanced panel would slide out underneat
- [21:21:42] <pnhChris>
ends up similar to tantek's builders, with a bit more logic behidn them
- [21:21:46] <bewest>
yeah
- [21:21:55] <bewest>
in-place-transparent-editing
- [21:21:56] <bewest>
or something
- [21:22:21] <bewest>
would that be generally useful?
- [21:22:33] <bewest>
if so I'll start right away
- [21:22:51] <bewest>
gonna be a pain to code though
- [21:23:36] <factoryjoe>
go for simple above all else
- [21:23:51] <factoryjoe>
frankly if you can just embed a vcard span, we'll be in good shape
- [21:24:04] <factoryjoe>
you could add a button to tiny mce
- [21:24:10] <factoryjoe>
"insert person's name"
- [21:24:22] <factoryjoe>
bootstrap it
- [21:24:23] <bewest>
well I've got a simple version http://nearwhere.com/guest/
- [21:24:26] <factoryjoe>
and add to the data after the fact
- [21:24:30] <factoryjoe>
basically
- [21:24:42] <factoryjoe>
once you get jsut ONE hcard, you can expand it later
- [21:24:54] <factoryjoe>
or, as you pick up hcards for the same person, merge the extended data
- [21:25:16] <factoryjoe>
bewest: whoa...Warning: Division by zero in /home/nearwhere/www/libs/functions.php on line 36
- [21:25:19] <factoryjoe>
Warning: Division by zero in /home/nearwhere/www/libs/functions.php on line 37
- [21:25:22] <bewest>
gah
- [21:25:22] <factoryjoe>
NearWhere Lodging near -, -, -
- [21:25:25] <factoryjoe>
Back to Map Navigation Link Without Marker
- [21:26:01] <bewest>
interesting
- [21:26:02] <bewest>
hrm
- [21:26:09] <bewest>
ip2geo must have failed on you
- [21:27:00] <bewest>
http://nearwhere.com/guest/40.3616,-74.263,6/?t=Map
- [21:27:38] <pnhChris>
the screenshot doesn't exactly tell the whole picture.. the tag that gets build can be put anywhere in a post... and the adr building comes from another window like that and gets placed into the content area of the hcard tag... http://placenamehere.com/temp/txp_hcard_builder.png
- [21:27:54] <pnhChris>
factoryjoe: did you get a chance to try the NNW thing?
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- [21:28:26] <pnhChris>
.. but that textpattern plugin is "simple" like tanteks builders in that it doesn't provide a ton of flexibility
- [21:29:41] <factoryjoe>
pnhChris: not just yet
- [21:31:37] <bewest>
btw, anyone want to meet up wed. or thur. night in San Fransisco?
- [21:31:41] <bewest>
I'm flying in for an interview
- [21:33:21] <factoryjoe>
hey sure
- [21:33:39] <pnhChris>
off for a bit to get some work done
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- [21:35:00] <bewest>
factoryjoe: ok neat
- [21:35:07] <factoryjoe>
;)
- [21:36:32] * bewest scrounges around for an hcard with all available properties marked up
- [21:38:38] <factoryjoe>
good luck
- [21:41:46] <bewest>
thinking how to do inline editing... maybe something like <ul class="modal_edit"><li class="selected"><span class="fn init"><enter name></span></li><li class="inactive"><input id="vfn" value=""></li></ul>
- [21:42:07] <bewest>
then when you click on selected it switches around
- [21:42:12] <factoryjoe>
no
- [21:42:14] <factoryjoe>
that's ba
- [21:42:17] <factoryjoe>
bad
- [21:42:23] <factoryjoe>
don't create the hcard before it has a value
- [21:42:32] <factoryjoe>
flock will be indexing MFs
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- [21:42:45] <factoryjoe>
and if it comes across empty hcards, it'll likely index them
- [21:42:50] <bewest>
I see :-(
- [21:42:52] <bewest>
yeah that's bad
- [21:42:56] <bewest>
hrm
- [21:43:07] <bewest>
so need a pseudo-hcard
- [21:43:51] <bewest>
maybe vvfn for display, vfn for input, then fn for the actual hcard
- [21:44:03] <_fil_>
is flock going to detect/display rss feeds sometime?
- [21:44:36] <factoryjoe>
?
- [21:44:37] <factoryjoe>
it already does
- [21:44:55] <factoryjoe>
pnhAway: your script rocks!
- [21:45:13] <_fil_>
sorry i haven't tried since the first beta
- [21:45:18] <factoryjoe>
can i blog it?
- [21:45:20] <factoryjoe>
ah
- [21:45:26] <factoryjoe>
you might try 0.5.13
- [21:45:50] <_fil_>
I'll go 0.7
- [21:47:02] <bewest>
gah, problem with what I just described is that it breaks tabbing between fields
- [21:47:33] <pnhAway>
factoryjoe: was planning to write it up and give it some proper instructions as soon as i had time (today or tomorrow).. but if you want to link it be my guest
- [21:47:55] <pnhAway>
the zip isn't chaning.. since it seems to work
- [21:47:59] <pnhAway>
changing*
- [21:48:12] <factoryjoe>
ok nice
- [21:48:21] <factoryjoe>
how good does the hatom implementation need to be?
- [21:48:29] <factoryjoe>
like, how robust is the script on bad xhtml?
- [21:48:33] <pnhAway>
not
- [21:48:37] <factoryjoe>
kk
- [21:49:02] <pnhAway>
it doesn't run the page through tidy cause i don't know what the isntall base is by default.. know its not on this 10.3.9 box
- [21:49:45] <pnhAway>
.. but i think its on 10.4.x
- [21:50:11] <factoryjoe>
ok
- [21:51:06] <factoryjoe>
ooo
- [21:51:17] <factoryjoe>
i'd love a script that would process NNW entries for hcards
- [21:51:21] <factoryjoe>
and then add them to the address book
- [21:51:30] <factoryjoe>
i guess that might be a bit premature
- [21:51:33] <factoryjoe>
ah
- [21:51:37] <factoryjoe>
ding ding ding
- [21:51:43] <factoryjoe>
w/ the CSS layer
- [21:52:24] <factoryjoe>
you could do something like .vcard fn:after {content: "add to address book";} and somehow linkify that post to the technorati contact parser
- [21:53:11] <bewest>
s/fn/.fn/
- [21:55:36] <factoryjoe>
right
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- [21:59:26] <KevinMarks>
you could do an applescript to do it chris
- [22:00:18] <factoryjoe>
right
- [22:00:21] <factoryjoe>
well i'd have a hard time
- [22:00:24] <factoryjoe>
but someone else could!
- [22:00:25] <factoryjoe>
;)
- [22:00:26] <factoryjoe>
ooo
- [22:00:30] <factoryjoe>
ok
- [22:00:35] <factoryjoe>
here's the challenge
- [22:00:52] <factoryjoe>
pipe all incoming RSS into a plugin for spotlight that detects MFs
- [22:01:00] <factoryjoe>
and when i do a search
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- [22:01:12] <factoryjoe>
it should be able to pull out contacts, events and so on
- [22:01:14] <factoryjoe>
in fact
- [22:01:19] <factoryjoe>
it should open them in address book and calendar
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- [22:17:20] <mfbot>
[[work-of-art]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=work-of-art&diff=0&oldid=5598 * TimG * (+189) Reorganized index and clarified the contents of each page
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- [22:25:09] <KevinMarks>
incoming in what app though?
- [22:29:04] <jonnay>
Can someone explain to me what problem hAtom solves?
- [22:29:21] <jonnay>
I mean, we have atom/rss. Why do we need a syndication microformat?
- [22:29:27] <KevinMarks>
representing a feed in HTML
- [22:30:11] <KevinMarks>
conversely, I have a blog, why do I need another copy of the posts wrapped in XML instead of HTML?
- [22:30:47] <jonnay>
Hmm.. K. That was my dumb question for today.
- [22:31:04] <jonnay>
Thanks!
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- [22:46:28] * bewest discovers DOMIT for php ... mmmmmm
- [22:46:37] <bewest>
provides DOM access and XPATH access
- [22:46:59] <bewest>
hmmm I suppose someone has a list of XPATH things to parse an hcard I could just recycle
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- [22:51:25] <jonnay>
mm, imma php monkey.. gonna check that out..
- [22:56:44] <bewest>
jonnay: found it at phpclasses.org
- [22:56:47] <bewest>
looks good
- [22:56:54] <bewest>
actually it looks perfect
- [22:57:08] <bewest>
it must be new because I looked for something like this several months ago and came up with nothing
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- [22:58:51] <bewest>
it claims complete DOM level 2 support
- [22:59:37] <bewest>
I'm going to attempt to copy the xpath stuff from xslt to a php script
- [23:00:48] <jonnay>
The next time I need to do some dom parsing, I'll keep that in mind, it looks hella slick.
- [23:13:12] <bewest>
*[contains(concat(' ',normalize-space(@class),' '),' vcard ')] <--- is this a pure XPATH string or is it XSLT stuff in there too?
- [23:14:25] <KevinMarks>
factoryjoe: btw, it's microid.org
- [23:14:33] <KevinMarks>
not .com
- [23:14:47] <factoryjoe>
doh!
- [23:14:48] <factoryjoe>
thx
- [23:15:03] <KevinMarks>
i clicked through and got very confused
- [23:15:53] <factoryjoe>
ah
- [23:15:55] <factoryjoe>
;)
- [23:16:13] <KevinMarks>
the microid sounds liek the old tehcnorati blog claiming thing
- [23:16:28] <KevinMarks>
which generated huge hash strings that were not much help
- [23:16:37] <factoryjoe>
yeah
- [23:16:41] <factoryjoe>
it doesn't seem very usable
- [23:16:41] <KevinMarks>
and always got broken in 2 by the emailer
- [23:16:47] <factoryjoe>
for humans
- [23:22:11] <KevinMarks>
and it looks like rampant class abuse
- [23:22:40] <factoryjoe>
yeah
- [23:22:46] <factoryjoe>
it's not really a "class"
- [23:22:49] <factoryjoe>
it's more like a marker
- [23:22:53] <KevinMarks>
same bug as FOAF too
- [23:22:59] <factoryjoe>
how so?
- [23:23:12] <KevinMarks>
assumption that you have one hashable email address
- [23:23:40] <KevinMarks>
email addresses aren't good shared secrets
- [23:27:54] <factoryjoe>
ah right
- [23:41:34] <mfbot>
[[hcard]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=5599 * Tantek * (+93) Examples in the wild -
- [23:42:10] <mfbot>
[[hcard]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=5600 * Tantek * (+126) Examples in the wild -
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- [23:48:14] <jonnay>
Ugh.
- [23:48:50] <jonnay>
I see what you guys mean bout microid.
- [23:49:16] <jonnay>
What a great idea, but implanting the microid in the class is downright unuseable.
- [23:49:29] <jonnay>
its neither human readable, or even very machine parseable.
- [23:50:11] * jonnay wonders what would be wrong with <span class="microid">hash</span>
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