IRC Log for #microformats on 2006-03-28
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- [00:14:53] <pnhChris>
does anyone else have hAtom 0.1 pages published somewhere? the wiki is very light on examples
- [00:15:26] <pnhChris>
(or any hAtom that gets parsed fairly well by the current version of hAtom2Atom.xsl)
- [00:18:35] <KevinMarks>
well, the ID is not exactly human-readable
- [00:18:49] <KevinMarks>
so I can see why you want it out of plaintext
- [00:19:46] <bewest>
display: none
- [00:47:28] <KevinMarks>
that works a lot of places, but not everywhere
- [01:01:02] <pnhChris>
ok.. my hAtom / NetNewsWire script has been posted.... blog post here (still cleaning up its more permanent landing page): http://placenamehere.com/article/185/SubscribingTohAtomFeedsWithNetNewsWire
- [01:01:19] * pnhChris pokes factoryjoe
- [01:03:20] <factoryjoe>
ah sweet
- [01:03:25] <factoryjoe>
i just posted about my mapendar idea
- [01:03:41] <factoryjoe>
http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/03/27/i-need-a-mapendar/
- [01:03:52] <hober>
factoryjoe: the office is abuzz with it
- [01:04:12] <factoryjoe>
oh?
- [01:04:14] <factoryjoe>
heh really?
- [01:04:17] <factoryjoe>
well i just wrote it up
- [01:04:20] <hober>
yeah, we think it looks awesome
- [01:04:26] <factoryjoe>
nice!
- [01:04:28] <factoryjoe>
:D
- [01:04:31] <factoryjoe>
go build it!
- [01:04:34] <hober>
heh
- [01:04:39] <hober>
that's what mashpit II is for! :)
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- [01:05:37] <factoryjoe>
sweet!
- [01:05:40] <factoryjoe>
you coming?
- [01:06:09] <hober>
I think Chris is planning to
- [01:06:18] <factoryjoe>
ok cool
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- [01:07:58] <bewest>
hmm
- [01:08:08] <bewest>
I could build something like that with some help
- [01:09:06] <factoryjoe>
w/ a microformats parser it wouldn't be bad
- [01:09:12] <factoryjoe>
look at austin.adactio.com
- [01:09:20] <factoryjoe>
we just need a way to page in data
- [01:09:34] <factoryjoe>
the idea would be that the date selection would be hella slick
- [01:09:44] <factoryjoe>
you could expand the window of time that you're looking at
- [01:09:51] <factoryjoe>
and you can scroll left and right
- [01:09:55] <factoryjoe>
and zoom in and out of time
- [01:10:02] <factoryjoe>
from the hour level to the month view
- [01:10:19] <bewest>
yeah that'd be cool
- [01:10:49] <bewest>
if someone starts working on it I could help
- [01:11:23] <bewest>
and it'd have hooks into lazyweb, I presume?
- [01:12:05] <bewest>
for what it's worth, I heard gmail is going to include calendar type stuff soon
- [01:12:13] <bewest>
maybe it'll have some integration with the maps
- [01:12:32] <bewest>
what's mashpit?
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- [01:17:09] <bewest>
factoryjoe: hmm that post you linked to about it's an interface "not a business" confirms what I was thinking about how it's a great time to find a job
- [01:17:15] <bewest>
I'm looking for a job right now
- [01:17:28] <bewest>
and I've been amazed at the response to sending out resumes
- [01:17:37] <bewest>
I've gotten responses from almost every single company I send a resume to
- [01:17:53] <factoryjoe>
bewest: maspit.org
- [01:17:56] <factoryjoe>
oops
- [01:17:57] <factoryjoe>
mashpit.org
- [01:18:15] <factoryjoe>
bewest: it is a great time to find a job
- [01:18:15] <factoryjoe>
;)
- [01:21:05] <bewest>
the demand for php/javascript developer is incredible
- [01:21:19] <bewest>
especially for this ajax business
- [01:21:22] <factoryjoe>
and rails
- [01:22:15] <bewest>
it's a great time for moonlighting
- [01:25:09] <bewest>
so what's mashpit II?
- [01:25:18] <bewest>
actually I still don't get it
- [01:25:27] <bewest>
get together with people and hack on something all day?
- [01:25:45] <jakedahn>
factoryjoe: has there been any mashpits since dallas?
- [01:25:51] <factoryjoe>
no
- [01:25:57] <factoryjoe>
bewest: yes
- [01:25:59] <jakedahn>
:-\ should do one in MinneBar
- [01:26:00] <factoryjoe>
;)
- [01:26:02] <factoryjoe>
mostly mashups
- [01:26:08] <factoryjoe>
agile development in a day
- [01:26:18] <factoryjoe>
there's an upcoming.org event page for it
- [01:26:22] <factoryjoe>
check it out
- [01:26:26] <factoryjoe>
goitta catch a train!
- [01:26:28] <factoryjoe>
see ya
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- [01:26:30] <jakedahn>
peace out
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- [01:28:27] <bewest>
whenever I find out about things in here it's like information overload
- [01:28:39] <bewest>
dunno how you guys keep track of so many groups and events and blogs and whatnot
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- [02:22:24] <bewest>
gosh php is terrible at XML
- [02:22:35] <bewest>
I'm tempted to use X2V and parse THAT
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- [02:28:52] <Breton>
what specifically about php's xml handling is awful in this case?
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- [03:22:56] <bewest>
gah I've tried out a couple of php XML parsers now
- [03:23:04] <bewest>
if class="url fn"
- [03:23:19] <bewest>
you can't find it using something like getElementsByAttribute('class', 'fn');
- [03:23:31] <bewest>
can only do getElementsByAttribute('class', 'url fn');
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- [03:25:16] <hober>
bewest: there's always getElementsBySelector, or the variants thereof
- [03:25:31] <hober>
oh, wait, php.
- [03:26:09] <bewest>
yeah :-(
- [03:28:21] <bewest>
/*[@class='vcard'] should get all the vcards, right?
- [03:28:40] <bewest>
and then /*[@class='url'] would get the url?
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- [03:30:13] <kingryan>
should be @class~=url
- [03:30:19] <kingryan>
or =~ whichever way it is
- [03:31:12] <bewest>
so should be: /*[@class=~'url'] ?
- [03:31:15] <bewest>
or exactly h ow you typed it?
- [03:32:13] <kingryan>
I'm just saying that it should be the includes operator, not the equals operator
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- [03:45:08] <bewest>
oh
- [03:45:37] <bewest>
not sure it matters since I can't find decent xpath support in a php library
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- [04:05:42] <WPU>
greetings
- [04:07:51] <WPU>
I would like to get some opinions on some images I made up to promote my hCard.
- [04:13:52] <WPU>
hmm . . . quiet
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karlUshi is karlcow
- [06:00:36] <bewest>
kingryan: is there such thing as an includes operator?
- [06:00:41] <bewest>
kingryan: I only see equals operator
- [06:00:52] <bewest>
I do see a contain() function but I can't seem to make it work
- [06:01:19] <KevinMarks>
in what?
- [06:01:48] <bewest>
XPATH
- [06:02:32] <bewest>
//*[@class='url'] only works when class="url" ; class="fn url" won't work
- [06:02:38] <bewest>
but =~ isnt' valid
- [06:03:11] <bewest>
if I try //*[contains(@class, 'url')] that doesn't work either
- [06:03:25] <bewest>
hrm think I just need some kind of XPATH primer or something
- [06:04:48] <BenjaminCarlyle>
bewest: hAtom2Atom.xsl currently uses expressions such as *[contains(concat(' ',normalize-space(@class),' '),' entry ')]
- [06:05:11] <bewest>
yeah, I tried copying and pasting from the x2v xsl
- [06:05:15] <bewest>
hmm
- [06:05:18] <bewest>
lemme try that though
- [06:07:08] <karlUshi>
xpath = "//*[contains(@class,'url')]" is correct
- [06:07:30] <bewest>
hrm
- [06:08:19] <bewest>
gah that works
- [06:08:26] <karlUshi>
:)
- [06:10:53] <bewest>
still need primer
- [06:10:57] <bewest>
this stuff is fantastic though
- [06:10:58] <karlUshi>
though be careful with contains
- [06:11:10] <bewest>
finally found a decent php class to do it
- [06:11:12] <karlUshi>
because this kind of functions will match things like
- [06:11:30] <bewest>
would match 'curl' ?
- [06:11:39] <karlUshi>
class="url curl"
- [06:11:41] <karlUshi>
yes
- [06:11:55] <bewest>
hmm that's why people do this trickery with spaces
- [06:12:04] <bewest>
concat/normalize ' %s '
- [06:12:09] <bewest>
some kind of black magic
- [06:12:31] <bewest>
sheesh
- [06:12:36] <bewest>
I've been working on this for hours now
- [06:13:30] <karlUshi>
if you have an XML Schema XPath 2.0 will be ok
- [06:13:36] <karlUshi>
if you don't have a schema
- [06:14:03] <karlUshi>
contains(tokenize(@class, '\s'), "url") (still in XPath 2.0)
- [06:14:17] <karlUshi>
in XPath 1.0 not sure it's doable simply
- [06:14:18] <bewest>
"//*[contains(@class),'photo']@src" <--- get the src attribute of a photo?
- [06:14:19] <bewest>
"//*[contains(@class),'url']@href" <-- get the href of the url?
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- [06:21:40] <karlUshi>
bewest: 50 seconds XPath Primer - http://aspn.activestate.com/ASPN/Mail/Message/perl-xml/801869
- [06:22:09] <bewest>
thanks
- [06:25:39] <bewest>
hrm I need like a 10 minute primer
- [06:25:47] <karlUshi>
:)
- [06:25:56] <bewest>
hehe
- [06:30:43] <karlUshi>
bewest do you know zvon web site?
- [06:31:38] <karlUshi>
Xpath Tutorial - http://www.zvon.org/xxl/XPathTutorial/General/examples.html
- [06:31:58] <bewest>
oOOoo
- [06:32:01] <bewest>
thanks
- [06:32:17] <bewest>
xpath makes it QUITE easy to parse hcards
- [06:32:27] <karlUshi>
my pleasure. I'm not very fond of the way they syntax their examples
- [06:32:29] <bewest>
you can have a list of xpaths in an array
- [06:32:33] <karlUshi>
but it can be helpful
- [06:32:37] <bewest>
and simply iterate
- [06:32:59] <karlUshi>
yes xpath/xslt is very handy
- [06:33:17] <karlUshi>
even better with xslt 2.0 with can does regex on text file
- [06:33:20] <karlUshi>
s/does/do/
- [06:33:33] <karlUshi>
s/with/which/
- [06:33:37] <karlUshi>
ouch I need coffee
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- [06:35:04] <karlUshi>
you will find resources at http://www.w3.org/Style/XSL/ too
- [06:35:35] <bewest>
yeah, I'm reading those things
- [06:35:37] <karlUshi>
like http://www.topxml.com/xsl/tutorials/intro/default.asp
- [06:35:40] <bewest>
they tend to be a bit dense for noobs though
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- [06:39:43] <karlUshi>
bewest: there's also http://www.dpawson.co.uk/xsl/rev2/rev2.html
- [06:40:17] <bewest>
oy now you're being too helpful
- [06:40:25] <bewest>
my browser is teetering on the edge of segfaulting
- [06:40:45] <karlUshi>
ok ;) I'm going back to the hardwork for today. :))))
- [06:40:52] <bewest>
hehe
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- [06:41:41] <bewest>
is that the thing to use?
- [06:42:18] <karlUshi>
or http://blogmarks.net/ too
- [06:43:19] <bewest>
information overload
- [06:43:32] <bewest>
I already briefly commented on this, but I don't know how you guys keep track of so much information
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- [06:43:53] <bewest>
or do you feel just as overloaded as I, I wonder
- [06:44:39] <bewest>
and now technorati also has favorites and exportable widgets of all kinds
- [06:44:41] <karlUshi>
happy roman time, go behind the villa, and come back to continue the orgy
- [06:50:24] <bewest>
do you actually use bookmarks? I find that there are too many new unvisited urls to visit. visiting these new links absorb any available time for revisiting old ones
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blogmarks is nice and the UI is much better than delicious
- [07:05:28] <bewest>
oh?
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but delicious has the delicious director
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[[citation]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=citation&diff=0&oldid=5601 * Mike * (-16) Added some references to BibTeX and RIS, removed discussion that is covered in -brainstorming
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[[citation-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=citation-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=5602 * Mike * (-1033) Moving OpenURL to cite-formats
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[[citation-formats]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=citation-formats&diff=0&oldid=5603 * Mike * (+344) OpenURL - consolidated info on OpenURL from cite-brainstorming
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[[citation-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=citation-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=5604 * Mike * (+20) Contributors - Added self, ego inflates. -Mike
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[[citation-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=citation-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=5605 * Mike * (+623) Original hBib Discussion - - attempt to summarize and inline linked file to improve flow
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[[citation-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=citation-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=5606 * Mike * (-1)
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[[citation-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=citation-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=5607 * Mike * (+14) Some Thoughts - retitled to make more sense
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[[citation-formats]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=citation-formats&diff=0&oldid=5608 * Mike * (+272) moved ISBN protocol from citation-brainstorming
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[[citation-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=citation-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=5609 * Mike * (-294) moved ISBN protocol to citation-formats and retitled a note that was at the end of it
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bewest: SimpleXML has XPath support, and its built in to boot.
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Assuming you are using PHP5. If you aren't.. well.. start. ;)
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jonnay: yeah... my host doesn't have php5
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man. That makes me grumble. php5 has been available for a year now. When people yell stuff like "PHP is teh suck", its because they're talking about php4, which does. PHP5 isn't pretty (for pretty, you need to hit scheme or haskell) but it doesn't suck.
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rant rant rant rant...
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well.. I was definitely ranting about php4 last night when I couldn't seem to find any decent xml parsers
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and then I found http://www.carrubbers.org/scripts/php/xpath/doc/
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heh.. don't mind me.. I was just reading a comparison between ruby on rails and PHP, and the rails guys were all "Rails rules, php droolz" (direct quote).
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Language pissing matches just piss me off.
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heh
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yeah
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for instance, Just because my preference is to use PHP, doesn't mean that I should feel the need to bitch and moan about how evil rails is. (IN fact, I find the ruby language intersting...). And don't get me started on some of the J2EE folk.
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right right.. taking chill pill.. ;)
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now THAT is spam.
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