IRC Log for #microformats on 2006-04-03
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karlUshi is karlcow
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BenjaminCarlyle is http://soundadvice.id.au/blog/, GMT 1000
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kingryan is ryan king
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Atamido is Paul Bryson, http://orangeman.commo.de/
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bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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Hixie is the iron fist of standards compliance
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Enric is a media Software Developer and Videoblogger located at http://www.cirne.com
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kingryan is ryan king
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Enric is a media Software Developer and Videoblogger located at http://www.cirne.com
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karlUshi is karlcow
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BenjaminCarlyle is http://soundadvice.id.au/blog/, GMT 1000
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bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
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[[hatom-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hatom-issues&diff=0&oldid=5679 * ChrisCasciano * (+559) Feed <i>permalink</i> (atom:<i>permalink</i>) -
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dglazkov is Dimitri Glazkov (http://glazkov.com) and lives in Birmingham, AL, USA (-6:00 GMT)
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[[hresume]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hresume&diff=0&oldid=5680 * DavidJanes * (+40)
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[[hresume]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hresume&diff=0&oldid=5681 * DavidJanes * (+123)
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[[hresume]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hresume&diff=0&oldid=5682 * DavidJanes * (+79)
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[[User:ChrisCasciano]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User:ChrisCasciano&diff=0&oldid=5683 * ChrisCasciano * (+216) Chris Casciano - updated links -
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hober is Edward O'Connor and works for EVDB on http://eventful.com/ and lives in San Diego, CA (-08:00)
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mlinksva is Mike Linksvayer and from Creative Commons
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Jonnay is a programmer, graphic designer and musician. He blogs at http://blog.jonnay.net and his music is at http://www.jonnay.net
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[[citation-irc-meetup]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=citation-irc-meetup&diff=0&oldid=5684 * BDarcus * (+116) Attendees -
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trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and runs www.csslounge.co.uk
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[[introduction]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=introduction&diff=0&oldid=5685 * Tantek * (+189) added blog business summit article
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kingryan is ryan king
- [18:21:15] <DanC>
has anybody seen feedback on the podcast from Friday? I don't know what to make of it, aside from having those "omg I sound like a dork" reactions
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[[introduction]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=introduction&diff=0&oldid=5686 * Tantek * (+45) Related Pages -
- [18:21:26] * kingryan hasn't listened to it
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- [18:22:14] <DanC>
I managed to get it into my ipod shuffle and listen to parts of it in the car. I don't see how this podcasting thing is taking off. Who has time to listen to any of this stuff?
- [18:22:37] <kingryan>
here's some feedback: http://dannyayers.com/2006/04/01/microformats-podcast
- [18:23:04] <pnhChris>
unrelated... nothing new, but the audience: http://citmedia.org/blog/2006/04/03/microformats-a-key-part-of-the-connected-future/
- [18:23:33] * kingryan needs to post the podcast on the mf.o blog
- [18:23:34] <DanC>
the bit from dannyA is ackonwledgement that the event happened. I suppose that's not nothing, but it's close.
- [18:23:56] <mfbot>
[[introduction]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=introduction&diff=0&oldid=5687 * Tantek * (-381) remove stub note, move TOC
- [18:24:05] <pnhChris>
DanC: I agree... i must have a few weeks worth of audio between itconversations, sxsw and some other things i'm subscribed too
- [18:24:50] <pnhChris>
DanC: I just collect it all and then occationally listen to half our of this or an hour of that panel
- [18:25:24] <DanC>
hmm
- [18:26:41] * DanC struggles to grok the relevance of the citmedia bit
- [18:27:22] <DanC>
aha... http://citmedia.org/blog/about/about-dan-gillmor/
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- [18:28:46] <pnhChris>
yeah.. just a different/widening audience
- [18:29:30] <DanC>
"If you’re interested in citizen media, microformats are important to understand."
- [18:37:27] <DanC>
re dannyA's bit... I guess I'm happy to be quoted as saying "Whee!"
- [18:37:48] <DanC>
everyone should be 4 years old 3 times a day. ;-)
- [18:58:02] <jcgregorio>
heh
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evanpro is Evan Prodromou, info at http://wikitravel.org/en/User:Evan
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OH
- [19:07:31] <evanpro>
Hi jibot
- [19:07:36] <evanpro>
Tattletale
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- [19:08:24] <evanpro>
microformats wiki is login only
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e.g. not a wiki
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:<
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ANYWHO
- [19:09:30] <evanpro>
I'm starting to implement some of the microformats.org formats for MediaWiki
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And I'm trying to figure out a good way to do it
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such that structured stuff doesn't get too structured.
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to be fun for wiki editing.
- [19:12:13] <DanC>
I gather it is with considerable regret and only after repeated abuse that the microformats wiki is login only. :-/
- [19:13:18] <DanC>
there aren't as many friendly elves to clean up the microformats wiki as there are to clean up wikipedia
- [19:13:54] <kingryan>
DanC's right
- [19:14:11] <kingryan>
a login wiki is still a wiki
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(anyone can create an account)
- [19:14:29] <DanC>
well, it's elss wiki. (less quick)
- [19:14:36] <kingryan>
true
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- [19:16:21] <DanC>
it's kinda funny that folks stick /away messages in their nick. IRC is full of "well, it sucks, but who's got time to fix it?" stuff
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- [19:24:20] <evanpro>
http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?WikiPrinciples
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If it's not open to everyone to edit
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it's not a wiki
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sorry, I didn't make up the definition
- [19:25:12] <evanpro>
a dedicated vandal and/or spammer will take the time to login to a wiki
- [19:25:20] <evanpro>
a person who wants to fix a comma or a spelling error will not
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- [19:26:03] <evanpro>
anyways
- [19:26:22] <evanpro>
not really a big deal
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limbo_ is Eran and blogs at http://hellonline.com/blog/
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- [19:37:58] <_fil_>
what does SHOULD mean? :-)
- [19:38:27] <_fil_>
or, is my hAtom feed with no entry-content valid hAtom 0.1?
- [19:40:43] <evanpro>
http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2119.txt
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"SHOULD This word, or the adjective "RECOMMENDED", mean that there
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may exist valid reasons in particular circumstances to ignore a
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particular item, but the full implications must be understood and
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carefully weighed before choosing a different course.
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"
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Pardon my quote
- [19:41:33] <_fil_>
yes, ok
- [19:41:41] <evanpro>
I can't answer the second question though
- [19:42:05] <_fil_>
then I must say that "entry-content *required*, text", below, is wrong
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- [20:02:25] <mfbot>
[[hcard]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=5688 * Evan * (+0) parantheses -> parentheses
- [20:04:27] <evanpro>
hey that's me
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co-author of the hcard format!
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B-)
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- [20:22:21] <evanpro>
hmmm
- [20:22:51] <evanpro>
I want to map Wikitravel restaurant listings to use a microformat
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But there are a couple of things that don't fit: opening hours, and average prices
- [20:23:17] <kingryan>
see, evanpro, it wasn't so hard to register :D
- [20:23:18] <evanpro>
http://wikitravel.org/en/Wikitravel:Restaurant_listings <-- that's our listing format
- [20:23:27] <evanpro>
kingryan: it's not the user that loses
- [20:23:42] <evanpro>
Let's just see how long that spelling error has been there...
- [20:23:47] <bewest>
mapping hcards is neat
- [20:24:01] <kingryan>
evanpro, I've wasted too many weekends battling spam
- [20:25:39] <kingryan>
evanpro, for the restaurants, you can use hcard for as much as possible, then investigate ideas for extensions (ie, a business-info format)
- [20:25:57] <evanpro>
yeah
- [20:26:06] <bewest>
yeah
- [20:26:07] <evanpro>
But there are much more effective mechanisms for fighting wiki spam
- [20:26:10] <bewest>
come up with a price range thing
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cause we could use that for hotels too
- [20:26:30] <evanpro>
yeah
- [20:26:34] <bewest>
gotta run though
- [20:27:13] <evanpro>
We've got 4 kinds of listings: attractions (e.g. museums), restaurants, bars & clubs, hotels
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the first three need opening hours
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sometimes the last one if you're in a strict hostel
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and all of them need prices
- [20:28:39] <evanpro>
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/SpamBlacklist_extension <-- this is the best way to block spam for MediaWiki
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- [20:35:45] <evanpro>
hmmmm
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hResume eh
- [20:35:52] <evanpro>
That's a good idea
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If we come up with a microformat for "pictures of my cat" microformats will have covered 98% of Web pages
- [20:41:56] <evanpro>
hmmm
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maybe it'd be possible to snag opening-hours info from the hCalendar
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RobertBachmann is Robert Bachmann <http://rbach.priv.at/> and lives in Austria (Timezone: UTC+02)
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- [20:48:29] <evanpro>
A restaurant being open is kind of a weekly recurring event
- [20:48:49] <evanpro>
But pretty hairy to represent
- [20:51:19] <evanpro>
Hmmm
- [20:51:38] <kingryan>
yeah, open hours as a recurring event would be possible
- [20:51:46] <kingryan>
it'd be worth having a try
- [20:52:07] <evanpro>
hairy rrules though
- [20:55:17] <_fil_>
better to open it 24*7
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- [20:56:57] <mfbot>
[[hatom-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hatom-issues&diff=0&oldid=5689 * RobertBachmann * (+114) Feed <i>permalink</i> (atom:<i>permalink</i>) -
- [20:57:19] <mfbot>
[[hatom-issues]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hatom-issues&diff=0&oldid=5690 * RobertBachmann * (+1) Feed <i>permalink</i> (atom:<i>permalink</i>) - typo
- [21:01:55] <evanpro>
yeah
- [21:02:16] <evanpro>
I think the big problem is that weekly recurrences give the name of a day (TU,TH)
- [21:02:38] <evanpro>
But timezones aren't allowed, I don't think
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- [21:08:23] <mfbot>
[[podcasts]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=podcasts&diff=0&oldid=5691 * Brian * (+109) this year -
- [21:12:50] <kingryan>
yeah recurances without timezones can be ugly
- [21:13:06] <kingryan>
but adding timezones to hcalendar would be even nastier
- [21:13:14] <kingryan>
you could always express them as floating times
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- [21:16:43] <jibot>
briansuda is brian suda of X2V fame
- [21:17:21] <mfbot>
[[hreview-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hreview-issues&diff=0&oldid=5692 * Evan * (+683) price, price range
- [21:19:36] <evanpro>
yeah
- [21:20:14] <evanpro>
The problem with recurrence is if you have something that's open from 7PM to 1AM every Tuesday...
- [21:20:35] <evanpro>
...the rrule will say freq = weekly, wday = TU
- [21:20:54] <evanpro>
imts "byday"
- [21:21:16] <evanpro>
but if the place is on the East Coast of the US
- [21:21:26] <evanpro>
the start time is actually a Wednesday
- [21:21:48] <evanpro>
actually let's make that 7:01PM B-)
- [21:21:58] <evanpro>
Then it's _definitely_ a Wednesday
- [21:23:18] <kingryan>
true
- [21:23:33] <kingryan>
using a floating time is only useful if you're in the same timezone
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- [21:31:06] <kingryan>
briansuda, I have some x2v bugs to report. how would you like em? :D
- [21:31:47] <briansuda>
send away!
- [21:31:53] <kingryan>
email?
- [21:32:12] <briansuda>
sure
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[[irc]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=irc&diff=0&oldid=5693 * RyanKing * (+1) sorting the list
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- [22:31:12] <DanC>
W3C Tech plenary minutes are out, incl notes on the microformats panel. http://www.w3.org/2006/03/TP-minutes.html#item01
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- [22:40:21] <kingryan>
cool, DanC
- [22:40:50] <kingryan>
btw, does anyone here know if there's a way to put comment lines in an iCalendar (or MIME of any kind) file?
- [22:42:00] <mfbot>
[[irc]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=irc&diff=0&oldid=5694 * Evan * (+32) People on irc - me
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[[User:Evan]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/User:Evan * Evan * (+108) me
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[[hcalendar]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar&diff=0&oldid=5695 * AlastairC * (+158) Examples in the wild -
- [22:54:47] <kingryan>
DanC, from reading those notes, it seems that the microformats panel *was* well recieved, as compared to the other panels
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