IRC Log for #microformats on 2006-04-13
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briansuda is brian suda of X2V fame
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hey briansuda
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hellolo
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hello, kingryan
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[[rest2]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rest2&diff=0&oldid=5854 * RyanKing * (-2)
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briansuda is brian suda of X2V fame
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- [03:19:39] <mfbot>
[[workofart-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=workofart-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=5855 * TimG * (+2) Discussion -
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BenjaminCarlyle is http://soundadvice.id.au/blog/, GMT 1000
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- [05:29:54] <markmansour>
has anyone here played with the google calendar yet?
- [05:30:24] <markmansour>
I've been trying to import ics' from x2v via technorati and via the lifelint service - but no luck :(
- [05:30:53] <KevinMarks>
no
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they have a nice service that allows you to suck in an ics via a URI - I just wish it worked a bit better
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tara is Miss Rogue and the rogue marketer behind riya and the one blogging at www.horsepigcow.com
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[[xoxo-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=xoxo-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=5856 * Singpolyma * (+87) Possible XOXO blogs+feeds markup -
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mlinksva is Mike Linksvayer and from Creative Commons
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[[hatom-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hatom-issues&diff=0&oldid=5857 * Singpolyma * (+403) Feed <i>permalink</i> (atom:<i>permalink</i>) -
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[[hatom-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hatom-issues&diff=0&oldid=5858 * Singpolyma * (+294) Feed <i>author</i> and Entry author (atom:<i>author</i>) -
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[[hatom-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hatom-issues&diff=0&oldid=5859 * Singpolyma * (+409) Entry Updated Required? -- Blogger Issue -
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bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and runs www.csslounge.co.uk
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Jonnay is a programmer, graphic designer and musician. He blogs at http://blog.jonnay.net and his music is at http://www.jonnay.net
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mlinksva is Mike Linksvayer and from Creative Commons
- [13:33:42] <DanC>
oh for hCalendar on http://www2006.org/programme/ ; anybody up for it? I offer a 1250 point bounty.
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- [13:50:10] <DanC>
is rohit around? are we doing a microformats panel at www2006?
- [13:50:25] <DanC>
I'm trying to make plane reservations, so I'm swapping in all the things I agreed to do
- [14:00:30] <MarkB>
DanC - I know Rohit's doing a panel Thursday morning (11-12:30). Don't know the details though
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dglazkov is Dimitri Glazkov (http://glazkov.com) and lives in Birmingham, AL, USA (-6:00 GMT)
- [14:05:34] <MarkB>
msg DanC if you mean the developer track thing organized by myself, Danny Ayers, and Stuart, we're full so no worries
- [14:05:45] <MarkB>
oops
- [14:05:49] <DanC>
np
- [14:07:06] <dglazkov>
i saw that!
- [14:10:34] <DanC>
hmm... what are the odds that aa.com will let me research two different itineraries from the same browser, without getting confused
- [14:12:33] <DanC>
ooh... open-jaw MCI/EDI/MSP is only $15 more than MCI<->EDI. That gives me another day in EDI. (got a family thing in MSP that weekend)
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- [14:33:01] <dglazkov>
why is reservation stuff so complicated.
- [14:33:15] <dglazkov>
it's not that difficult of a problem, computationally?
- [14:33:34] <dglazkov>
somebody's going to do this right
- [14:44:37] <DanC>
I picked an itinerary... now I'm trying to add hCalendar markup... oh my...
- [14:44:38] <DanC>
<td rowspan="2" align="center" id=
- [14:44:38] <DanC>
"border_right">
- [14:45:04] <DanC>
id="border_right"?!?! there are several such elements. I think they meant class.
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- [14:53:52] <trovster>
And they're bad id/class names :)
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bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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- [15:04:42] <dglazkov>
... and it still works!
- [15:04:46] <dglazkov>
I love web
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- [15:27:33] <DanC>
ok, there... code for adding hCalendar to AA itineraries: http://www.w3.org/2006/05dc-edi/itin-enrich.xsl
- [15:27:52] <DanC>
guaranteed to work in at least one case ;-)
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- [16:11:03] <Atamido_>
lol, the MSN Messenger example came from my logs. :P
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hober is Edward O'Connor and works for EVDB on http://eventful.com/ and lives in San Diego, CA (-08:00)
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- [16:57:54] <bewest>
it'd be nice if google's calendar app consumed microformats
- [16:58:00] <bewest>
and published them too
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- [17:01:53] <hober>
bewest: Our (Eventful's) Atom feeds contain both the Google Atom extensions for events as well as full hCalendar entries (and hCards for the venues)
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\end{plug}
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bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
- [17:02:31] <bewest>
yeah that's neat
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mlinksva is Mike Linksvayer and from Creative Commons
- [17:07:52] <DanC>
oh my... HTML markup, URI-encoded, inside HTML. http://www.google.com/googlecalendar/event_publisher_guide.html
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the details field, in particular
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- [17:16:41] <hober>
Yeah, it's really finicky and ugly; they're not even doing the correct URI encoding in a bunch of places. (It even breaks if you correctly URI encode everything.)
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limbo_ is Eran and blogs at http://hellonline.com/blog/
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trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and runs www.csslounge.co.uk
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- [18:11:02] <dglazkov>
hober, but no microformats in the actual markup?
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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- [19:02:38] <DanC>
is Brian around? i mentioned a while ago that the W3C tidy service might to poof at any time. it's being abused. We're considering turning it off.
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evanpro is Evan Prodromou, info at http://wikitravel.org/en/User:Evan
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- [19:18:37] <hober>
dglazkov: not in the google markup, no
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RodBegbie is a grumpy Scots git. Blogs at http://groovymother.com/ Earns pay at Bose.
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[[hcard]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=5860 * Evan * (+224) Examples in the wild - Wikitravel Singapore/Sentosa
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[[workofart-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=workofart-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=5861 * TimG * (+310) Discussion -
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- [19:52:52] <EliasT>
which is the best javascript hCalendar parser?
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- [20:03:22] <DanC>
EliasT, have you already looked at http://microformats.org/wiki/hcalendar#Implementations ?
- [20:03:34] <DanC>
Rohit might know. Rohit, are you around?
- [20:04:16] <EliasT>
I was looking there. I've started with the simple one.. http://virtuelvis.com/archives/2005/11/learn-to-love-microformats
- [20:04:54] <EliasT>
this looks good... http://web.mit.edu/glasser/www/JSCalendar/hcalendar.js
- [20:05:12] <DanC>
hmm... mit.edu...
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- [20:06:13] * EliasT gets busy looking at mit.edu parsing script.
- [20:07:22] <EliasT>
hmm.. not good enough. the code is more about making a table than focusing on the parsing. Date parsing is the worse part.
- [20:07:34] <DanC>
fwiw, EliasT, my recent python calendar hacking is all based on JSON-style data structures
- [20:08:11] <DanC>
hCalendar date parsing should be trivial. take out any punctuation and then the 1st 4 chars are the year, etc.
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- [20:09:08] <DanC>
the little bit of javascript I did was lat/long stuff, not dates.
- [20:10:50] <EliasT>
ooh.. rather simple.
- [20:11:09] <EliasT>
as long as as they follow yyyy-mm-dd, correct?
- [20:11:55] <EliasT>
I've found 20040501, 2004-05-01 and 2004/05/01, it'll work for those.. but tantek has timezone as well..
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- [20:15:35] <jibot>
briansuda is brian suda of X2V fame
- [20:15:38] <DanC>
yes, timezones are allowed, per http://www.microformats.org/wiki/datetime-design-pattern . but only UTC offsets, not "EDT" or even "America/Chicago"
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- [20:16:19] <DanC>
speaking of which, briansuda is enough of an XSLT masochist to implement date time arithmetic in XSLT.
- [20:16:33] <DanC>
EliasT, briansuda , have you guys met?
- [20:16:37] * briansuda has no idea what has just happened!
- [20:16:38] <EliasT>
nope.
- [20:16:41] <briansuda>
no
- [20:16:43] <briansuda>
hello
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- [20:17:13] * EliasT wonders if tantek.com loads slowly for anyone else due to static.flickr.com?
- [20:17:18] <DanC>
briansuda, meet EliasT. he's been doing SPARQL/calendar hacking. most recently: http://torrez.us/archives/2006/04/07/429/
- [20:17:25] <briansuda>
i am looking at the IRC log now
- [20:18:07] <DanC>
EliasT, meet briansuda . jibot mentioned X2V; that's http://suda.co.uk/projects/X2V/ , which is the main hCalendar/hCard parsing implementation
- [20:18:07] <briansuda>
excellent! i am hoping to dive into alot of this stuff at XTECH
- [20:18:16] * EliasT no more tantek.com for me. kills my browser.
- [20:18:54] <EliasT>
hehe. I had just seen suda.co.uk in a GM script I was using as a base for my new GM script.
- [20:19:03] <EliasT>
nice meeting you.
- [20:19:17] <briansuda>
i see TIDY webservice future is limited
- [20:19:31] <DanC>
at risk, at least, yes.
- [20:21:24] <briansuda>
are there any Questions still about hCalendar and TimeZones?
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- [20:21:58] <EliasT>
I was just complaining, but DanC gave me this link: http://www.microformats.org/wiki/datetime-design-pattern
- [20:22:12] <EliasT>
I'll support that and nothing else.
- [20:22:38] <evanpro>
hmmm
- [20:22:44] <evanpro>
genetically-modified scripts
- [20:22:48] <evanpro>
and interesting process
- [20:22:50] <DanC>
mflogbot, pointer?
- [20:23:34] <DanC>
well, I'm still struggling to make my peace with the fact that hCalendar can't express "every tuesday afternoon at 2pm, Boston time"
- [20:23:35] <briansuda>
http://rbach.priv.at/Microformats-IRC/
- [20:28:09] <evanpro>
DanC: me too
- [20:28:32] <evanpro>
Because I'd like to be able to say, "Open from 10AM-8PM Monday-Friday"
- [20:28:47] <DanC>
that you _can_ say, i.e. without a timezone
- [20:29:01] <evanpro>
Oh, yes, but _with_ a timezone
- [20:29:18] <briansuda>
in the other microformat realms of hListings i think there has been talk about that sort or re-occuring events when describing store hours
- [20:29:28] <evanpro>
hListings!
- [20:29:29] <DanC>
I'm looking at ways to use the location to encode the timezone info, rather than the dtstart field.
- [20:29:31] <evanpro>
I have not seen that
- [20:29:34] <evanpro>
Well damn
- [20:29:56] <DanC>
of course, with flights, there are 2 relevant locations.
- [20:29:57] <briansuda>
they most likely just point back to hCalendar, so you might not get an new info
- [20:30:16] <evanpro>
http://microformats.org/wiki/hlisting-proposal <-- sweet
- [20:33:16] <evanpro>
I've been trying to hammer Wikitravel listings into an hCard format
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- [20:35:18] <DanC>
irony... trying calendar.google.com for the 1st, time, the 1st thing it asks me is my timezone
- [20:36:22] <DanC>
umm... how do I subscribe to calendars like http://www.w3.org/2006/05dc-edi/aa-edi13-uf.ics ?
- [20:37:01] <DanC>
ah... found it.
- [20:37:30] <EliasT>
too bad the add reminder function is not online.
- [20:38:04] <briansuda>
i signed up this morning and the SMS reminder works for me - there is also a 5am send of your daily events
- [20:38:18] <EliasT>
It doesn't work with Verizon Wireless. :(
- [20:39:01] <briansuda>
do they not have an email->sms gateway? you should have an email like 1234567890@verizon.com and that is your email->SMS
- [20:39:18] <EliasT>
ah
- [20:39:33] <EliasT>
I'll try that.
- [20:39:40] <briansuda>
i've never used verizon, so don't quote me on that
- [20:40:00] <EliasT>
https://www.vtext.com/customer_site/jsp/messaging_lo.jsp
- [20:40:12] <EliasT>
Enter your eMail address or mobile number@vtext.com. It might be vtext.com...
- [20:40:52] <DanC>
wild... they add a (map) link based on the location field. it works pretty well, in the case of "EDI Edinburgh"
- [20:42:03] <briansuda>
DanC, will you be at www2006?
- [20:42:15] <DanC>
yes, I plan to
- [20:43:14] <briansuda>
excellent, i will be there too, i am presenting some microformats at the DEV track
- [20:43:21] <DanC>
http://www.w3.org/2006/05dc-edi/aa-edi13-uf.ics is the itinerary I requested. (also in .rdf and hCalendar, but the hCalendar has the locator code and other stuff that's too sensitive to publish, so it's w3c-staff-confidential)
- [20:44:18] <DanC>
yes, saw you on the www2006 panel. hmm... thought I added that to http://del.icio.us/connolly/www2006 , but I don't see it.
- [20:44:24] <DanC>
s/panel/program/
- [20:46:17] <EliasT>
k. finished GM script, but Calendar service to book reminders it's down.
- [20:47:13] <DanC>
briansuda, did I show you http://dm93.org/2006geo/where.html ?
- [20:47:32] <EliasT>
briansuda, how do I change email for notifications from @gmail.com to @vtext.com? Do forwarding rule on gmail?
- [20:47:54] <briansuda>
not sure?
- [20:48:03] <briansuda>
not sure about the gmail...
- [20:48:17] <briansuda>
DanC, no i haven't seen that, but i am looking now
- [20:48:28] <EliasT>
DanC, it's hard to click on the stuff...
- [20:49:15] <DanC>
yeah, where.html is not the model of usability
- [20:49:50] <DanC>
if you click on May 22-26, the map will show you where I plan to be then :)
- [20:50:34] <briansuda>
very nice, i like that it zooms in and out depending on the city
- [20:51:51] <DanC>
umm... it does? that's not on purpose
- [20:52:15] <EliasT>
DanC, give it a try when you can...
- [20:52:16] <EliasT>
http://torrez.us/code/googlehcal/converthcalendartogooglecal.user.js
- [20:52:16] <DanC>
briansuda, you were there when http://austin.adactio.com/ was presented, yes?
- [20:52:36] <DanC>
ugh... give it a try how, EliasT ?
- [20:52:42] <EliasT>
do you have GM?
- [20:52:46] <DanC>
GM?
- [20:52:47] <briansuda>
yes, Jeremy demoed it at the microformats panel at SxSW
- [20:52:50] <EliasT>
GreaseMonkey
- [20:53:10] <DanC>
umm... I don't know that I have GreaseMonkey.
- [20:53:15] <EliasT>
brb
- [20:53:21] <DanC>
I haven't done anything on purpose to install it
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- [20:56:19] <DanC>
umm... the greasemonkey .xpi is unsigned. And from what I hear, the secruity implications are nontrivial.
- [20:56:24] <briansuda>
DanC, the "podcast" isn't up yet for that SxSW panel (http://2006.sxsw.com/coverage/podcasts/) but it was well received by the audience, partly because it mapped out the PubCrawl which everyone agreed was important for SxSW
- [20:56:47] <DanC>
quite!
- [20:57:24] <DanC>
this "do you really want to trust this hunk of code?" dialog in mozilla should give the Md5 so I can confirm with peers
- [20:57:27] <DanC>
or sha1
- [20:58:17] <DanC>
hmm... requires restart. i have tons of tabs and windows open and I have cookies set to go poof after each browser session.
- [21:14:33] <EliasT>
I'm back.
- [21:15:04] <EliasT>
DanC, you definitely need SessionSaver https://addons.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?id=436
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- [21:15:42] <DanC>
quite possibly; ndw told me about sessionsaver a while ago. I bookmarked it under things to install when I find time
- [21:15:54] <EliasT>
you are too busy...
- [21:16:30] <DanC>
in a good way, I think.
- [21:16:33] <EliasT>
GM used to have security flaws, but I think they are fixed. However, no guarantees from me, except I use it. :-)
- [21:16:51] <DanC>
I'd like to know that I'm using the same bits you are.
- [21:17:24] <EliasT>
hmm.. I wonder if the xpi is still intract so I can do md5
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- [21:19:33] <EliasT>
I installed this today http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/extensions/greasemonkey/greasemonkey-0.6.4-fx.xpi
- [21:20:06] <EliasT>
btw, the script is not as exciting because Google Calendar reminder service is down... but it will show pretty icons around your hCal in http://dm93.org/...
- [21:25:26] <DanC>
I already spent a bunch of time on sysadmin this week. I'm _way_ overdue on a writing assignment. I really should quit chatting. but there's not much writing time left today, is there... hmm...
- [21:25:42] <EliasT>
family time should be coming up soon...
- [21:25:44] <EliasT>
:)
- [21:25:45] * DanC needs to introduce Elias to Ben Adida too
- [21:26:00] <DanC>
T-95min to family time
- [21:26:19] <EliasT>
Crypto guy I see.
- [21:29:51] <DanC>
crypto guy, but also "interoperable metadata" guy. see "... the ideal lead in to Ben Adida’s Interoperable Metadata for a Bottom-Up Semantic Web which hammered home five principles of metadata interoperability ..." http://gondwanaland.com/mlog/2006/03/11/semtech-wrap/
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[[listing-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=listing-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=5862 * Evan * (-2) A Basic Data Structure -
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I see from his work of RDF in XHTML taskforce.
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he's also been doing javascript hacking around RDF/A
- [21:42:53] <DanC>
I claimed that one could do the same thing for hCalendar; you're now backing my claim.
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[[hcalendar]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar&diff=0&oldid=5863 * EliasTorres * (+469) Browser scripts and plug-ins -
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http://torrez.us/code/googlehcal/converthcalendartogooglecal.user.js is working pretty well on the following sites: http://upcoming.org/ , http://tantek.com , http://dm93.org/2006geo/where.html , http://www.w3.org/People/Connolly/ .
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pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
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[[citation]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=citation&diff=0&oldid=5864 * TimG * (+18) Added Work of Art as a microformat that could use the Citation Module Modularity -
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[[mfo-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=mfo-examples&diff=0&oldid=5865 * Tantek * (+1574) added thoughts and questions/doubts about a generic microformat property class name
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amanuel is Amanuel, the social ambassador at http://otavo.com
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[[to-do]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=to-do&diff=0&oldid=5866 * Tantek * (+192)
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