IRC Log for #microformats on 2006-04-30

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  17. [04:21:11] <jibot> Jonnay is a programmer, graphic designer and musician. He blogs at http://blog.jonnay.net and his music is at http://www.jonnay.net
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  19. [04:24:21] <jibot> Enric is a media Software Developer and Videoblogger located at http://www.cirne.com
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  23. [05:04:42] <jibot> Enric is a media Software Developer and Videoblogger located at http://www.cirne.com
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  29. [08:02:40] <mfbot> [[xfolk]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=xfolk&diff=0&oldid=6144 * Fabio Vescarelli * (+111) In the wild -
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  53. [13:36:45] <jibot> pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
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  63. [18:32:02] <mfbot> [[events]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events&diff=0&oldid=6145 * Brian * (+0) Upcoming -
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  66. [19:02:36] <jibot> briansuda is brian suda of X2V fame
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  74. [21:27:31] <jibot> briansuda is brian suda of X2V fame
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  76. [21:47:33] <briansuda> factoryjoe, meetup.com managed to implement hCalendar by themselves. I contacted them to clean a few things-up, but it was all them as far as i know.
  77. [21:48:23] <factoryjoe> wow
  78. [21:48:25] <factoryjoe> that's sweet
  79. [21:48:53] <briansuda> yeah. There are problems on my end extracting the microformats, but that it not their problem.
  80. [21:49:09] <briansuda> i emailed them about how many events they have total, but they never got back to me
  81. [21:49:29] <briansuda> i fond that there about 15,000 this month, so multiply that by 12 and you get a big number
  82. [21:49:58] <factoryjoe> damn
  83. [21:50:03] <factoryjoe> what's the issue extracting?
  84. [21:50:39] <briansuda> TIDY converts ISO dates into a human readable form
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  86. [21:50:55] <briansuda> most of the time people have their dates in a title="" so tidy doesnt do anything
  87. [21:51:17] <briansuda> but meetup has them in a hidden div as a text string <span>20060101</span<
  88. [21:51:21] <factoryjoe> ah
  89. [21:51:25] <factoryjoe> is that recommended?
  90. [21:51:33] <briansuda> so tidy converts that to <span>January 1st 2006</span>
  91. [21:51:50] <briansuda> is what recommended, the hidden span (no)
  92. [21:52:00] <factoryjoe> k, thought so
  93. [21:52:05] <factoryjoe> why aren't they using the title?
  94. [21:52:09] <briansuda> not sure.
  95. [21:52:19] <factoryjoe> ok
  96. [21:52:28] <briansuda> from what i gathered they are kinda old=school software development
  97. [21:52:33] <factoryjoe> i c
  98. [21:52:48] <briansuda> i alerted them to a few issues, and they said - we fixed it and in the next week push it will be live
  99. [21:52:57] <briansuda> unlike the Flickr, we fix things 30 times a day
  100. [21:53:21] <briansuda> so, i think we could put a bug in meetup's ear and they'd make the change, but it might be a few days..
  101. [21:53:40] <briansuda> or i could be completely wrong about their development cycle...
  102. [21:53:51] <briansuda> either way, it is cool to see that many more vevent!
  103. [21:53:52] <factoryjoe> ok
  104. [21:53:57] <factoryjoe> still, way coll
  105. [21:53:58] <factoryjoe> cool
  106. [21:54:04] <factoryjoe> is that blogged anywhere?
  107. [21:54:42] <briansuda> no where yet.
  108. [21:55:22] <briansuda> i asked them if i could announce it to the mailing list and they said sure, so i would take that as it is public knowledge that they use MF's
  109. [21:55:33] <briansuda> so feel free to say something on your blog or else where.
  110. [21:55:55] <factoryjoe> ok cool
  111. [21:55:59] <factoryjoe> btw, a question
  112. [21:56:19] <factoryjoe> i'm creating a desktop based address book
  113. [21:56:23] <factoryjoe> and each card is its own file
  114. [21:56:33] <factoryjoe> how should i name the files?
  115. [21:57:05] <briansuda> well to avoid collisions, i'd use md5(whole card).vcf
  116. [21:57:17] <briansuda> that's not human readable, and would be wrong with every update...
  117. [21:57:44] <briansuda> you could try FName.LName.vcf and append a -N for each duplicate, Brian.Suda-1.vcf
  118. [21:58:14] <briansuda> i'm not sure that would really matter as long as your program can manage keeping track of things.
  119. [22:00:07] <factoryjoe> mm
  120. [22:00:21] <factoryjoe> sort of an interesting issue w/ syncing
  121. [22:00:32] <factoryjoe> i'd like to be able to source hcards both remotely and locally
  122. [22:00:56] <briansuda> yeah, with X2V i keep the SOURCE: propery, that keeps the original source that the card was created from
  123. [22:01:15] <briansuda> then you could run a scheduled task to go fetch those URLS and see if there are any updates
  124. [22:01:40] <briansuda> was was thinking about writting that program for OS X, since the apple address book has a full API
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  126. [22:02:31] <factoryjoe> well
  127. [22:02:33] <factoryjoe> i'm already on it
  128. [22:02:34] <factoryjoe> ;)
  129. [22:03:33] <briansuda> ok, if you need any help let me know.
  130. [22:03:54] <briansuda> it looks like the apple address book saves SOURCE: into the notes field.
  131. [22:04:26] <briansuda> also, Tantek wrote an apple script that created hcards from iChat buddy lists, you might be able to generate hCard from the address book
  132. [22:04:48] <factoryjoe> yeah
  133. [22:04:51] <factoryjoe> i talked to him about it
  134. [22:04:54] <factoryjoe> but it's compiled
  135. [22:04:58] <factoryjoe> so i can't see the source
  136. [22:05:03] <factoryjoe> and i don't have bbedit
  137. [22:05:07] <factoryjoe> so it chokes when i open it
  138. [22:05:17] <factoryjoe> i already found a script that exports all cards to html files
  139. [22:05:24] <factoryjoe> but right now they're sequencially numbered
  140. [22:05:37] <factoryjoe> ideally you wouldn't use the address book once you've converted
  141. [22:05:44] <factoryjoe> i want to be able to edit the local address cards
  142. [22:05:46] <factoryjoe> and then sync them
  143. [22:07:50] <briansuda> would you sync back to the address book? or just between the local files and online?
  144. [22:08:51] <factoryjoe> well
  145. [22:09:00] <factoryjoe> it would be a "nice to have" with address book
  146. [22:09:08] <factoryjoe> but i don't know if there's a GUID for address book entries
  147. [22:09:17] <factoryjoe> if there were, then sure
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  149. [22:11:56] <briansuda> i'm not sure either, i looked into awhile ago, but i haven't had time since. My idea was that the program would be a small utility that just read URLS from the address book, and then updated back into it using the Apple address book merge tool... then if needed export out to flat files and hCards/html
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  151. [22:23:38] <factoryjoe> ah
  152. [22:23:39] <factoryjoe> interesting
  153. [22:23:54] <factoryjoe> i'd like to store them in html files so that it's easier to port them to other apps
  154. [22:23:59] <factoryjoe> but i guess that would also work
  155. [22:24:16] <factoryjoe> what format does address book use?
  156. [22:24:20] <factoryjoe> vcard?
  157. [22:27:00] <mfbot> [[uid-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=uid-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=6146 * BenjaminCarlyle * (+745) Add rel-bookmark proposal
  158. [22:28:06] <mfbot> [[uid-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=uid-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=6147 * BenjaminCarlyle * (+18) Add hAtom reference
  159. [22:32:46] <briansuda> i think it is stored internally in their own database... but i'm not sure
  160. [22:35:11] <factoryjoe> hrm
  161. [22:43:17] <mfbot> [[faq]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=faq&diff=0&oldid=6148 * BenjaminCarlyle * (+593) Add when and why question for microformats
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