IRC Log for #microformats on 2006-05-10

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  8. [01:01:27] <jibot> pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
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  24. [02:18:11] <briansuda> tantek, on a quick side note, i am going through ALL of the mailing list and building-up some good FAQs, but it got me thinking...
  25. [02:18:27] <tantek> hi brian, that sounds great!
  26. [02:18:36] <briansuda> for the 1 year anniversary party, we should try and get some stats from the list
  27. [02:18:42] <briansuda> XXXX members in 365 days
  28. [02:18:51] <tantek> yeah, that would be good
  29. [02:18:52] <briansuda> XXXXX message, which is XX messages a day
  30. [02:19:04] <tantek> though personally i prefer lots of work done with fewest messages
  31. [02:19:13] <tantek> i'm not sure that # of messages is necessarily a good indicator of productivity
  32. [02:19:23] <briansuda> true, quantity is not quality
  33. [02:19:51] <tantek> in fact, i find the converse is often true, lots of messages can sometimes mean too much talk (email), too little action (specs, tools, examples, publishers etc.)
  34. [02:19:51] <briansuda> well, the other simple thing (which is just academic) is to grep out all the URLs
  35. [02:20:28] <briansuda> i have been digging through and found a link about KDE natively detecting Microformats in the browser
  36. [02:20:37] <briansuda> it has NEVER been followed up.
  37. [02:21:30] <tantek> wow
  38. [02:22:05] <briansuda> chris made mention of it on Nov 30th 2005 because they beat Flock to the punch
  39. [02:22:57] <tantek> brb, need to reboot to clear out an OSX stuck process. :(
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  44. [02:36:02] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  48. [02:42:36] <tantek> alright folks, g2g
  49. [02:42:46] <tantek> brian, looking forward to more FAQ items
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  54. [03:52:18] <mfbot> [[podcasts]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=podcasts&diff=0&oldid=6294 * Brian * (+190) this year -
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  58. [04:59:56] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  60. [05:13:46] <mfbot> [[podcasts]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=podcasts&diff=0&oldid=6295 * Tantek * (+94) added date for release 1.0 video podcast
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  72. [07:38:02] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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  86. [09:24:31] <jibot> trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and runs www.csslounge.co.uk
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  96. [11:00:01] <trovster> http://paste.css-standards.org/854 - do these look correct?
  97. [11:04:30] <trovster> I have tails, and it's missing the work (shows the cell) number for Sarah Morris.
  98. [11:05:17] <trovster> My page (private, but can pm a the URL if you wish) shows an empty vcard in Tails :(
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  100. [11:30:37] <mfbot> [[WikiNode]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/WikiNode * MattisManzel * (+590) the wiki-node connects related wikis
  101. [11:30:53] <mfbot> [[WikiNode]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=WikiNode&diff=0&oldid=6296 * MattisManzel * (+2) the wiki-node connects related wikis
  102. [11:34:34] <mfbot> [[Talk:WikiNode]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:WikiNode * MattisManzel * (+186) please
  103. [11:35:31] <mfbot> [[WikiNode]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=WikiNode&diff=0&oldid=6297 * MattisManzel * (+27)
  104. [11:36:26] <mfbot> [[WikiNode]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=WikiNode&diff=0&oldid=6298 * MattisManzel * (+54)
  105. [11:36:48] <mfbot> [[WikiNode]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=WikiNode&diff=0&oldid=6299 * MattisManzel * (+1)
  106. [11:38:54] <mfbot> [[User:MattisManzel]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User:MattisManzel&diff=0&oldid=6300 * MattisManzel * (-7)
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  114. [13:02:33] <jibot> pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
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  121. [14:00:19] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  131. [15:03:03] <jibot> mlinksva is Mike Linksvayer and from Creative Commons
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  133. [15:13:40] <jibot> RobertBachmann is Robert Bachmann <http://rbach.priv.at/> and lives in Austria (Timezone: UTC+02)
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  138. [15:42:03] <jibot> briansuda is brian suda of X2V fame
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  142. [15:52:23] <mfbot> [[hcard-authoring]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-authoring&diff=0&oldid=6301 * Brian * (+204) More tips and guidelines -
  143. [15:53:44] <mfbot> [[hcard-authoring]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-authoring&diff=0&oldid=6302 * Brian * (-115) You might roll this back, but you were using "rocket sciences" words like orthogonal
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  145. [15:58:58] <jibot> hober is Edward O'Connor and works for EVDB on http://eventful.com/ and lives in San Diego, CA (-08:00)
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  147. [16:22:48] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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  151. [16:43:26] <jibot> bewest is curious about emerging standards
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  159. [17:01:38] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  177. [18:35:48] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  180. [18:39:50] <jibot> RobertBachmann is Robert Bachmann <http://rbach.priv.at/> and lives in Austria (Timezone: UTC+02)
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  185. [18:44:50] <drewinthehead> I have some feedback on the eventful feeds if you're around, hober.
  186. [18:49:28] <hober> drewinthehead: great!
  187. [18:49:40] <drewinthehead> well .. sorta .. can't get it working ;)
  188. [18:49:57] <hober> what problem are you running into?
  189. [18:50:41] <drewinthehead> i suspect this may be an Endo problem, but i need be sure before I bug the developer
  190. [18:51:11] * hober doesn't know anything about Endo
  191. [18:51:26] <drewinthehead> the events get detected, but the big Add To iCal button doesn't do anything ... so i'm not sure if it's a bug with Endo or something not quite right in your atom feed
  192. [18:51:29] <hober> I think I tried to use it once, but it couldn't handle the number of feeds I gave it,
  193. [18:51:58] <drewinthehead> yeah, i don't much like it - just messing with it for this screencast for the site
  194. [18:52:25] <drewinthehead> you're pretty happy that your implementation is good?
  195. [18:52:49] <drewinthehead> i mean, i'll dig through and check, but ...
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  197. [18:54:19] <hober> I haven't noticed anything wrong with the mf'ing in the atom:content
  198. [18:54:26] <hober> and the Atom itself is valid
  199. [18:54:39] <hober> but I haven't extensively tested the mf'ing in atom:content
  200. [18:55:08] <drewinthehead> lol ... mf'ing reads bad from here
  201. [18:55:21] <hober> the hCalendar events' location fields are embedded hCards; perhaps that's throwing endo off
  202. [18:55:26] <hober> heh, yeah, here too.
  203. [18:55:44] <hober> is μf'ing better?
  204. [18:56:54] <drewinthehead> much better
  205. [18:57:04] <drewinthehead> yes, it could be the vcards
  206. [18:57:19] <drewinthehead> it all looks sweet to me
  207. [18:57:40] <drewinthehead> i'll fire an email to the endo guy with a link to one of your feeds and see what he thinks
  208. [18:57:48] <hober> cool
  209. [18:57:57] <hober> if you could Cc: me on that, that would rule
  210. [18:57:59] <hober> ted@evdb.com
  211. [18:58:02] <drewinthehead> (btw, I love the eventful date search, e.g. "this week")
  212. [18:58:13] <hober> yay :)
  213. [18:58:22] <hober> i'm a big fan of that too
  214. [18:58:38] <drewinthehead> so natural to use.
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  217. [19:05:07] <drewinthehead> the endo guy only has a contact form, hober, so I'll CC you on any further conversation
  218. [19:05:30] <brianoberkirch> Hey folks
  219. [19:05:37] <brianoberkirch> what is the status of hresume
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  221. [19:07:28] <hober> drewinthehead: ok, great
  222. [19:07:40] <hober> brianoberkirch: it's quite usable as it stands
  223. [19:08:53] <brianoberkirch> So, I'm new to the development & rollout of these formats
  224. [19:09:08] <brianoberkirch> when is a format considered 'standard' enough to start working with
  225. [19:09:21] <brianoberkirch> or does the community simply iterate on it as it rolls forward
  226. [19:13:16] <mfbot> [[hresume]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hresume&diff=0&oldid=6303 * EdwardOConnor * (+187) link to my resume
  227. [19:18:42] <mfbot> [[Main Page]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=6304 * 1147289410 * (+7076)
  228. [19:18:53] <mfbot> [[Talk:geo]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:geo * 1147289410 * (+7076)
  229. [19:19:04] <mfbot> [[Talk:ap-feedback]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:ap-feedback * 1147289410 * (+7076)
  230. [19:19:15] <mfbot> [[Talk:marked-for-deletion]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:marked-for-deletion * 1147289410 * (+7076)
  231. [19:19:26] <mfbot> [[Talk:presentation-think-2005-11-12]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:presentation-think-2005-11-12 * 1147289410 * (+7076)
  232. [19:19:32] <mfbot> [[User:Chris Hibbert]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/User:Chris_Hibbert * 1147289410 * (+7076)
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  234. [19:20:59] <mfbot> [[Main Page]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=6305 * RobertBachmann * (-7076) Reverted edit of 1147289410, changed back to last version by Tantek
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  240. [19:25:35] <mfbot> [[stock-symbol-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=stock-symbol-examples&diff=0&oldid=6306 * SujataRamchandran * (+301) Real-World Examples -
  241. [19:26:17] <mfbot> [[stock-symbol-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=stock-symbol-examples&diff=0&oldid=6307 * SujataRamchandran * (+3) Real-World Examples -
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  252. [21:02:50] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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  257. [21:25:45] <RobertBachmann> <http://rbach.priv.at/2006/hcard-creator> hCard creator with support for middle names and last names which consist of multiple words
  258. [21:26:57] <RobertBachmann> Tested with IE6,Opera 8.5 and FF 1.5
  259. [21:30:37] <tantek> Safari?
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  263. [21:35:13] <RobertBachmann> I have no Mac
  264. [21:35:32] <hober> yet I must test?
  265. [21:35:42] <hober> where's harlan when you need him
  266. [21:38:19] <_fil_> it works in safari
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  268. [21:41:01] <Remi> http://www.snugtech.com/safaritest/
  269. [21:41:24] <briansuda> everything seems to work for me on safari, but the labels and inputs are slightly shifted
  270. [21:42:19] <briansuda> it is visible through the /safaritest/
  271. [21:49:38] * DanC regrets not having much bandwidth for office hourst this week...
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  273. [21:54:20] <briansuda> DanC, you will be at www2006 correct?
  274. [21:54:49] <DanC> yes, still planning on it.
  275. [21:56:03] <DanC> in fact, I have my itinerary in hCalendar. http://www.w3.org/2006/05dc-edi/aa-edi13-uf.html . hmm... I guess it's password protected, since it has enough information in it for a reader to impersonate me to the airline.
  276. [21:56:24] <DanC> but I publish the .ics and .rdf versions. http://www.w3.org/2006/05dc-edi/aa-edi13-uf.rdf http://www.w3.org/2006/05dc-edi/aa-edi13-uf.ics
  277. [21:56:41] <tantek> greetings
  278. [21:56:56] <briansuda> i'll be there too, so i'll try and contact you when it gets closer
  279. [21:57:04] <DanC> and I publish the .xsl that builds the -uf.html out of what aa gives me: http://www.w3.org/2006/05dc-edi/itin-enrich.xsl
  280. [21:57:14] <tantek> consider adding "Attending" sections to the various WWW2006 events, and adding your names to them
  281. [21:57:19] <tantek> (on the wiki)
  282. [21:57:41] <tantek> http://microformats.org/wiki/events
  283. [21:57:58] <DanC> so far I've put my plans on which parts of WWW2006 I hope to attend in http://del.icio.us/connolly/www2006
  284. [21:58:02] <DanC> well, some of them, anyway
  285. [21:58:16] <tantek> hmmm.... Brian, looks like there is no /wiki/events/... page for the microformats demo that you are doing
  286. [21:58:16] <briansuda> upcoming.org has attendees as well
  287. [21:58:23] <DanC> (both the itin stuff and the delicious stuff is linked from http://www.w3.org/People/Connolly/#www2006 )
  288. [21:59:19] * DanC feels some obligation to blog about itin-enrich.xsl
  289. [21:59:27] <briansuda> no page for that presentation specifically
  290. [21:59:44] <tantek> brian, that means you should create one!
  291. [22:00:01] <tantek> so that there is a place to put/share information about it
  292. [22:00:11] <tantek> both before the event (who is planning to event etc.)
  293. [22:00:16] <briansuda> it is a developer track, 10-20 minute presentation they haven't told me yet....
  294. [22:00:19] <tantek> and afterwards (links to photos, presentations etc.)
  295. [22:00:23] <briansuda> but i will create a page, it is a good idea
  296. [22:00:38] <tantek> you don't need perfect information
  297. [22:00:45] <tantek> simply add what you know
  298. [22:00:49] <tantek> when you learn more, add more
  299. [22:00:55] <tantek> iteration works
  300. [22:01:27] * tantek wonders how much upcoming, eventful etc. would benefit from having a more liberal/open wiki-like interface for editing events
  301. [22:01:55] * tantek notes that someone has already parked http://wikievents.com/
  302. [22:03:31] <tantek> Registrant: EVDB, Inc. heh ;)
  303. [22:04:29] <tantek> brian, yes, please create a page for every microformats event you will be participating in
  304. [22:04:41] <tantek> in fact, feel free to create pages for microformats events that OTHERS are also participating in
  305. [22:04:45] <tantek> and add them to the /events page
  306. [22:05:09] <briansuda> will do, there are a few events upcoming
  307. [22:06:44] <briansuda> http://www.ukoln.ac.uk/web-focus/events/workshops/webmaster-2006/microformats/
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  309. [22:08:42] <mfbot> [[events]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events&diff=0&oldid=6308 * Tantek * (+500)
  310. [22:09:59] <tantek> I've added some more guidance on adding events to that page, and creating new "/wiki/events/..." pages, hopefully that will help with copy/pasting etc. to make it easier
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  313. [22:14:28] <tantek> having a wiki page for an event also helps encourage audiences to participate (e.g. by adding their questions to the page to be answered etc.)
  314. [22:14:59] <tantek> it's another way to distribute the effort of collaboratively documenting the event -- everyone does just a little bit themselves and the whole benefits greatly
  315. [22:15:29] <briansuda> tantek, i have a list of FAQs from alot of the mailing list that was NOT directly related to hCa* - i'll post some of them tonight. Then finish going through ones that are specifically about hCa* and post them soon
  316. [22:23:45] <tantek> brian, excellent
  317. [22:23:56] <tantek> feel free to go through them live here on the irc channel
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  320. [22:28:25] <briansuda> will do, most of them have already been answered on the list, so we can just tweak the answer
  321. [22:28:34] <tantek> that works
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  326. [22:54:35] <jibot> pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
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  331. [23:22:11] <jibot> briansuda is brian suda of X2V fame
  332. [23:34:21] <mfbot> [[faq]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=faq&diff=0&oldid=6309 * Brian * (+719) wiki specific questions -
  333. [23:34:43] <briansuda> alright, i added the only FAQ in the general section that was not already there.
  334. [23:35:10] <briansuda> i still have to comb through all the mailing list emails i have left, so there will be more in the general FAQs, feel free to make changes
  335. [23:35:17] <briansuda> next will come hCard/hCal
  336. [23:40:12] <mfbot> [[events/www2006]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/events/www2006 * Brian * (+1646)
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