IRC Log for #microformats on 2006-05-22

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  27. [08:06:53] <jibot> trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and runs www.csslounge.co.uk
  28. [08:07:43] <tantek> ?def DanC_lap is DanC on his laptop.
  29. [08:07:43] <jibot> DanC_lap is DanC on his laptop.
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  33. [08:19:29] <jibot> briansuda is brian suda of X2V fame
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  39. [09:26:19] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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  51. [11:35:24] <jibot> rakaz is Niels Leenheer
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  55. [12:11:38] <jibot> briansuda is brian suda of X2V fame
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  57. [12:19:15] <_fil_> fascinating http://www.sifry.com/alerts/archives/000433.html
  58. [12:19:31] <_fil_> The rel-tag microformat has been adopted by a number of the large tool makers, making it easy for people to tag their posts. About 47% of all blog posts have non-default tags or categories associated with them.
  59. [12:22:42] <_fil_> Japanese bloggers appear to write shorter posts more often. This could be a result of blogging from mobile phones, and may be skewing the results, given that we are tracking the total number of posts in this analysis.
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  66. [12:39:22] <jibot> pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
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  69. [12:40:32] <DanC_lap> The e-gov table was interesting, but I'm too tired to summarize.
  70. [12:40:50] <DanC_lap> oops; wrong channel ;-)
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  72. [13:00:22] <jibot> briansuda is brian suda of X2V fame
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  88. [14:53:39] <mfbot> [[Main Page]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=6431 * 1148311523 * (+4697)
  89. [14:54:10] <mfbot> [[Talk:workofart-formats]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:workofart-formats * 1148311523 * (+4697)
  90. [14:54:36] <mfbot> [[Talk:attention-formats]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:attention-formats * 1148311523 * (+4697)
  91. [14:54:57] <mfbot> [[Talk:work-of-art]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:work-of-art * 1148311523 * (+4697)
  92. [14:55:03] <mfbot> [[Talk:xoxo-sample-code]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Talk:xoxo-sample-code * 1148311579 * (+4697)
  93. [14:55:24] <mfbot> [[Special:Log/block]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Special:Log/block&diff=0&oldid=0 * Tantek * (+0) blocked "User:1148311579" with an expiry time of infinite: spam
  94. [14:55:40] <mfbot> [[Main Page]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=6432 * Tantek * (-4697) Reverted edit of 1148311523, changed back to last version by RobertBachmann
  95. [14:55:51] <mfbot> [[Special:Log/delete]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Special:Log/delete&diff=0&oldid=0 * Tantek * (+0) deleted "Talk:xoxo-sample-code": spam
  96. [14:55:57] <mfbot> [[Special:Log/delete]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Special:Log/delete&diff=0&oldid=0 * Tantek * (+0) deleted "Talk:work-of-art": spam
  97. [14:55:58] <mfbot> [[Special:Log/delete]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Special:Log/delete&diff=0&oldid=0 * Tantek * (+0) deleted "Talk:attention-formats": spam
  98. [14:56:05] <mfbot> [[Special:Log/delete]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Special:Log/delete&diff=0&oldid=0 * Tantek * (+0) deleted "Talk:workofart-formats": spam
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  101. [14:56:54] <tantek> markp, you just missed me block and kill a spammer and do reverts in under 2 minutes from the start of the attack. i think that's a personal record.
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  104. [14:59:36] <C9> tantek bringing the kungfu
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  107. [15:03:35] <tantek> if someone would put a videogame interface (ala WoW) on spamkilling (wiki, email, comments, blogs etc.) I bet spam would disappear almost instantly, and you'd have people out there addicted to killing spam.
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  112. [15:29:29] <jibot> dglazkov is Dimitri Glazkov (http://glazkov.com) and lives in Birmingham, AL, USA (-6:00 GMT)
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  116. [15:37:51] * DanC_lap wonders what WoW is
  117. [15:37:57] <tantek> ?def WoW
  118. [15:37:58] <jibot> WoW is World of Warcraft (http://joi.ito.com/archives/2005/09/03/we_know.html) and World of Warcraft
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  120. [15:38:07] <DanC_lap> ah.
  121. [15:38:55] <trovster> Holy moly, been sleeping in a box DanC_lap ;)
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  123. [15:43:11] <DanC_lap> yes, quite. in many ways, gaming being one of them.
  124. [15:44:08] <DanC_lap> I suppose i had some vague notion that WoW referred to a game
  125. [15:44:57] <EliasT> DanC_lap, how is the weather in Edinburgh?
  126. [15:45:33] <DanC_lap> drizzly each time I've been out and about
  127. [15:46:09] <DanC_lap> does one pay to play WoW? anybody care to tutor me? I suppose I'm wasting your time until I've at least spent 15 minutes with wikipedia
  128. [15:46:12] <EliasT> raincoat, umbrella?
  129. [15:46:40] <DanC_lap> others use umbrellas. I have a nice warm coat, so I didn't mind my hair getting a little wet
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  131. [15:47:01] <EliasT> k. I'm leaving tonight, we'll be there around 10ish tomorrow am.
  132. [15:47:29] <DanC_lap> ah
  133. [15:48:03] <EliasT> It doesn't look good at all... http://www.weather.com/outlook/travel/businesstraveler/tenday/UKXX0052?from=36hr_fcst10DayLink_business
  134. [15:48:50] <EliasT> is the mF meetup that Ryan King suggested happening at all?
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  142. [16:12:43] <jibot> hober is Edward O'Connor and works for EVDB on http://eventful.com/ and lives in San Diego, CA (-08:00)
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  145. [16:15:14] <jibot> mlinksva is Mike Linksvayer and from Creative Commons
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  149. [16:30:23] <jibot> Jonnay is a programmer, graphic designer and musician. He blogs at http://blog.jonnay.net and his music is at http://www.jonnay.net
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  152. [16:31:39] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  156. [16:32:36] <jibot> bewest is curious about emerging standards and works for Alexa.com
  157. [16:32:48] <gsnedders> are there any microformats applicable to a bug tracking app? I personally couldn't see any, but I'm often blind :)
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  160. [16:36:44] <bewest> hehe hbug?
  161. [16:38:02] <gsnedders> bewest: yeah, apart from the fact that it doesn't exist, or I'm blind to it
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  163. [16:42:09] <bewest> gsnedders: I don't recall any discussions around it
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  211. [18:41:10] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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  227. [19:30:31] <dglazkov> markp, love the long tail
  228. [19:31:15] <jakedahn> lol
  229. [19:31:16] <bewest> did it grow?
  230. [19:31:17] <bewest> heh
  231. [19:31:39] <bewest> it's like the opposite of Pinochio: his tail grows when he tells the truth?
  232. [19:31:53] <dglazkov> always the edge case
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  235. [19:33:02] <jakedahn> now its shrinking!
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  240. [20:20:19] <alexandermuse> Hola!
  241. [20:20:31] <dglazkov> alright
  242. [20:20:37] <dglazkov> hola alexandermuse
  243. [20:20:43] <dglazkov> time for quirky questions
  244. [20:21:00] <dglazkov> xfn and hcard : what is the relationship
  245. [20:21:05] <dglazkov> >
  246. [20:21:06] <dglazkov> ?
  247. [20:21:35] <alexandermuse> I am in the market for a contractor to help me explain to two coders how to markup resume information for an hresume plugin. Anyone around who might be able to do a couple of hours of work? I will pay...
  248. [20:23:35] <alexandermuse> Slow day in the IRC room...
  249. [20:23:37] <alexandermuse> :)
  250. [20:23:53] <dglazkov> or no takers :)
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  253. [20:30:56] <alexandermuse> Hm...
  254. [20:31:47] <alexandermuse> If Microformats are going to take off there really need to be some people to help non-techy folks implement them. I am trying to help the community, but it is hard to get anyone to provide help - even for money...
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  256. [20:33:21] <Jonnay> I've been advocating microformats at my company. Got a few hCards inserted in a few key places..
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  258. [20:33:41] <alexandermuse> Nice.
  259. [20:34:24] <alexandermuse> We are using hReview, rel-tags and hCard on our websites. We built a couple of hResume WordPress and MT plugins - but I need help with the Markup.
  260. [20:34:32] <alexandermuse> The hResume spec is a little light on instruction.
  261. [20:35:43] <Jonnay> you can check my hResume if you like.. http://portfolio.jonnay.net/cv/
  262. [20:36:10] <Jonnay> I had a bit of a code-issue with my previous employers, but thats fixed now.
  263. [20:38:44] <Jonnay> i'm also working on an xfn plugin for serenitpity.
  264. [20:39:08] <dglazkov> cool -- I am doing the same for TinyMCE
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  272. [20:58:43] <alexandermuse> Jonnay - can you look at a test hresume here: http://spur.weblogswork.com/?page_id=8
  273. [20:58:50] <alexandermuse> This is output from the plugin...
  274. [20:58:53] <alexandermuse> css is messy
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  279. [21:17:16] <tantek> hi alexander!
  280. [21:17:36] <alexandermuse> HolA!
  281. [21:17:58] <Jonnay> alexandermuse: I would suggest putting the n class of the vcard in an h3, rather then an empty span.
  282. [21:18:04] <alexandermuse> :)
  283. [21:18:38] * tantek scrolls up
  284. [21:18:41] <alexandermuse> So I think I could really use a couple of hours of help from an experienced microformat guy - to talk directly to two different coders working on our project...
  285. [21:18:42] <Jonnay> phone numbers could be put into a dl...
  286. [21:18:53] <alexandermuse> I will pay...
  287. [21:18:54] <alexandermuse> :)
  288. [21:19:01] <tantek> dglazkov, see http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-examples#hCard_and_XFN
  289. [21:19:03] <Jonnay> and don't get me started on the <b>some time</b><br/> anti-pattern...
  290. [21:19:36] <Jonnay> err s/time/title
  291. [21:19:44] <tantek> hey Jonnay, that's one of my favorites! ;) http://tantek.com/log/2002/10.html#L20021022t1432
  292. [21:20:16] <tantek> alexander, you make some very good points
  293. [21:22:27] <Jonnay> man, I dunno, it just makes my blood boil.. but thats cause i see it so many times where people should really know better...
  294. [21:22:49] <Jonnay> I figure it is because there is this "rule" about how you should never need more then 3 headlines.
  295. [21:23:05] <Jonnay> so if you just do a B/BR, you aren't really suing a headline, right? :P
  296. [21:23:16] * Jonnay throws the breaks on his ranting
  297. [21:23:20] <tantek> jonnay, indeed, i can't believe that people are still doing b/br almost 4 years after I blogged the anti-pattern (and solution)
  298. [21:23:40] <alexandermuse> Perhaps list on the wiki "contractors" who will provide microformat consulting for a fee? We could then contact them and pay them to help us work with our coders who have "no idea" what Microformats are. I would love to pay someone to work with our hResume coders (one from UK and another from Bangalore) - this would get two people on the other side of the planet working with Microformats. I would also hire someone to work with our coders in
  299. [21:24:08] <Jonnay> I'd love to take the job, but there is NO way I can do it. I dont hae time.
  300. [21:24:10] <tantek> alexander, you are definitely asking in the right place, let me ping a few folks
  301. [21:24:17] <alexandermuse> thanks
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  303. [21:26:17] <Jonnay> Heh, I can make drive-by semantic html suggestions, but that is about it
  304. [21:29:20] <tantek> alexander, i have found a developer in the UK who can do it
  305. [21:29:59] <tantek> email me at tantek at cs stanford edu and i'll connect you
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  308. [21:42:30] <alexandermuse> Sent...
  309. [21:42:32] <alexandermuse> :)
  310. [21:49:02] <mfbot> [[hcard]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=6433 * Tantek * (+247) New Examples -
  311. [21:49:43] <mfbot> [[xfn-implementations]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=xfn-implementations&diff=0&oldid=6434 * Tantek * (+248) added Flickr
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  323. [23:02:39] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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