IRC Log for #microformats on 2006-05-23
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[[rel-faq]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rel-faq&diff=0&oldid=6435 * Evan * (+2) *implies* -> ''implies''
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[[rel-faq]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rel-faq&diff=0&oldid=6436 * Evan * (+8) replace *something* with ''something'' globally
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[[rel-faq]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rel-faq&diff=0&oldid=6437 * Evan * (+1) balance quote marks
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hober is Edward O'Connor and works for EVDB on http://eventful.com/ and lives in San Diego, CA (-08:00)
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bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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[[geo]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=geo&diff=0&oldid=6438 * 07pagesdinfo * (+165) Examples in the wild -
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bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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briansuda is brian suda of X2V fame
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trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and runs www.csslounge.co.uk
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kingryan is ryan king
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hi ryan
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hey KevinMarks
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briansuda is brian suda of X2V fame
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Getting many hits from Worldcup kickoff?
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loads!
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i'll try and get you a break down so you the popular countries
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Cool. :D
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/lifehacker/20060522/tc_lifehacker/worldcupstarttimesforicaletc;_ylt=AtGxuJ9LSV4YrUh3IylVeu8jtBAF;_ylu=X3oDMTA5aHJvMDdwBHNlYwN5bmNhdA-- nice :d
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655+ referrers
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kingryan is ryan king
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briansuda is brian suda of X2V fame
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dglazkov is Dimitri Glazkov (http://glazkov.com) and lives in Birmingham, AL, USA (-6:00 GMT)
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raxor is in southern California, near LA
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thats right jibot!
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*ding ding ding*
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cgriego is Chris Griego (-06:00)
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briansuda is brian suda of X2V fame
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mlinksva is Mike Linksvayer and from Creative Commons
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hober is Edward O'Connor and works for EVDB on http://eventful.com/ and lives in San Diego, CA (-08:00)
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bewest is curious about emerging standards and works for Alexa.com
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
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i am, i do, and i am.
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[[hcard-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples&diff=0&oldid=6439 * Tim White * (+758) References to People and Organizations -
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RobertBachmann is Robert Bachmann <http://rbach.priv.at/> and lives in Austria (Timezone: UTC+02)
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bewest is curious about emerging standards and works for Alexa.com
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[[hcard-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples&diff=0&oldid=6440 * Tantek * (+654) Moved extended organization example further down, and added explanatory steps and extended-address + organization-unit overlap example
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[[hatom-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hatom-issues&diff=0&oldid=6441 * RobertBachmann * (+258) hAtom 0.2 - Datetime format (atom:<i>updated</i> and atom:<i>published</i>)
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[[hatom-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hatom-issues&diff=0&oldid=6442 * RobertBachmann * (+159) 'MAY have multiple Feed elements' -- details and viability of multiple feeds -
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pnhChris, got a minute?
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- [19:02:33] <pnhChris>
no, but go ahead anyway ;)
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- [19:05:28] <RobertBachmann>
I'm currently looking at your hatom tests.
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have you looked at my tests? <http://rbach.priv.at/repos/hatom/hatom2atom.xsl/trunk/tests/>
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- [19:06:37] <pnhChris>
not in a little while, no
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i didn't really want to cover the content parts of hatom with mine, just examples of how multiple feeds could show up to have something to point to for discussion's sake
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and i do think that ID would be a useful requirement, but i'm still not sure that would solve some of the consumption issues
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(like what if a user enters a url without a specific id present)
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... and i meant to recheck, but i don't think the cases where i had an ID on the body (but no optional class="hfeed" got picked up by the current XSL doc
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[[hatom-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hatom-issues&diff=0&oldid=6443 * RobertBachmann * (+104) 'MAY have multiple Feed elements' -- details and viability of multiple feeds -
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re: 5. How should a consuming application deal with potential changes to feeds found in a document over time ...
- [19:16:53] <RobertBachmann>
This seems simaliar to the case were http://example.com/feed.atom returns 404.
- [19:20:03] <RobertBachmann>
If you have <body id="foo"><div class="hfeed">...</div></body> @ http://example.com/x.html the feed:id will be http://example.com/x.html and _not_ http://example.com/x.html#foo
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The same is true when you have no class="hfeed"
- [19:22:18] <PhilipAshlock_wo>
hCalendar question: the ISO8601 format has dashes in it, but when used with dashes something like the Firefox Tails extension won't pick it up. I see some hCalendar entries with dashes and some without, why the discrepancy?
- [19:23:32] <PhilipAshlock_wo>
nevermind, Tails is picking them up. Still not sure why the dashes are left out in some cases, or maybe that's another format...
- [19:23:58] <tantek>
Philip, either is permissible in ISO8601
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with or without dashes
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I personally prefer no dashes for brevity's sake
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some prefer dashes because they see it as more readable.
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Suw is in the UK, can be found at http://chocnvodka.blogware.com/
- [19:31:23] <RobertBachmann>
pnhChris: ... even if you set $source-uri to <http://example.com/x.html#foo>. However I'm not sure if this is the right behaviour.
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[[hcalendar]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar&diff=0&oldid=6444 * PhilipAshlock * (+201) Example -
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thanks, for the clarity tantek. Hopefully it transferred to the wiki well enough for others like me
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[[hatom]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hatom&diff=0&oldid=6445 * RobertBachmann * (+0) Examples in the wild -
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- [19:53:22] <tantek>
Philip looks good, but perhaps consider moving that detail to hcalendar-faq
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k
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since it is more of a tutorial/Q&A kind of thing
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[[hcalendar]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar&diff=0&oldid=6446 * PhilipAshlock * (-201) Example -
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[[hcalendar-faq]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar-faq&diff=0&oldid=6447 * PhilipAshlock * (+220) Q&A -
- [20:06:42] <RobertBachmann>
pnhChris: Okay, thought about it. Seems to be the right behaviour.
- [20:06:43] <RobertBachmann>
Imagine user A uses uses hAtom2Atom.xsl on <http://placenamehere.com/mf/hatom_tests/test_1a.html#foo>
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and user B uses h2A on <http://placenamehere.com/mf/hatom_tests/test_1a.html#>.
- [20:06:43] <RobertBachmann>
Both users get the same feed so the value of /atom:feed/atom:id should be equal as well.
- [20:08:00] <gsnedders>
is anyone interested in creating a microformat for bugs?
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- [20:09:44] <pnhChris>
RobertBachmann: sorry.. i dont' think its similar to a 404, well.. not on the surface
- [20:10:16] <pnhChris>
or at least, not under the current specs
- [20:10:41] <pnhChris>
which don't force a lot of constraints on consuming apps
- [20:11:51] <pnhChris>
for example you can currently extract 1 feed from the following URL: http://chunkysoup.net/extras/behindcs/
- [20:12:33] <pnhChris>
though there is one feed in the page currently, it is at #posts
- [20:12:59] <pnhChris>
but my app isn't subscribed to #posts
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- [20:13:26] <pnhChris>
.. so if for whatever reason I add a second feed to that document what happens to the consuming app?
- [20:13:53] * bear is now known as bear_mtg
- [20:13:59] <pnhChris>
right now with anythign that uses the XSL file it will just arbitrarily pick the first one.. but the spec doesn't really define what should happen instead
- [20:15:31] <RobertBachmann>
yes under the current spec it would be pick the first hfeed, if your new feed comes before the feed #posts we've got a problem.
- [20:15:56] <RobertBachmann>
s/be pick/pick up/
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- [20:16:05] <pnhChris>
i dunno.. these are the issues i want to discuss and see if there's a good resolution.. if requiring ID, hfeed or both is ENOUGH
- [20:16:50] <pnhChris>
... cause if you require both you have to find a sane way to resove someone not offering an ID
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- [20:18:00] <pnhChris>
its a bit easier with hacrd or hcalendar because the consuming apps know how to deal with bing fed multiple items
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- [20:18:19] <pnhChris>
being fed multiple feeds at once is going to be odd for parsers, validators, etc. etc.
- [20:18:29] <pnhChris>
anyway.. i must get back to work
- [20:18:35] <pnhChris>
something to think over
- [20:18:53] <RobertBachmann>
IMO: If I subscribe to http://chunkysoup.net/extras/behindcs/ which has 1 feed (<div id="posts" class="hfeed">) the feed-id is "http://chunkysoup.net/extras/behindcs/#posts"
- [20:18:54] <RobertBachmann>
So the consuming app should look for http://chunkysoup.net/extras/behindcs/#posts the next time
- [20:18:58] <pnhChris>
i just made the test to get the discussion going and show some of the places where things get messy under the current spec
- [20:19:04] <pnhChris>
... ok
- [20:19:09] <pnhChris>
under the current spec
- [20:19:15] <pnhChris>
if i subscribe to #posts
- [20:19:24] <pnhChris>
and then i redessing the site to leave out the hfeed element
- [20:19:29] <pnhChris>
and thus #posts
- [20:19:38] <pnhChris>
because posts is silly for a 1 entry page
- [20:19:55] <pnhChris>
does my feed reader barf?
- [20:20:01] <pnhChris>
cause the feed isn't found
- [20:20:42] * pnhChris likes 1 feed per html doc as a resolution... but really really doesn't
- [20:20:55] * RobertBachmann likes that too ;-)
- [20:21:01] <pnhChris>
its the simple answer, but doesn't ever fit content (main blog and link blog, etc)
- [20:22:20] <RobertBachmann>
IMO a page which only contains 1 entry ... and will "never" contain more than one entry should not be marked up with class="hfeed"
- [20:22:56] <RobertBachmann>
So the whole "hfeed is implied" stuff isn't good IMO, since 1 entry != 1 feed with one entry
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- [20:25:27] <tantek>
Robert, I'm not sure about that
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- [20:25:44] <tantek>
btw, Robert, Chris, did you take a look at the "source" stuff in Atom?
- [20:26:10] <tantek>
it's there to allow multiple feeds to be combined in to a single feed, while retaining the fidelity of where it came from / source etc.
- [20:27:16] <tantek>
gsnedders regarding a microformat for bugs, what did you have in mind?
- [20:27:32] <tantek>
allow people to simply blog a bug about a product and then have it picked up?
- [20:27:48] <tantek>
One could consider a bug report to be a kind of review
- [20:27:49] <gsnedders>
tantek: more for bug tracking apps
- [20:28:04] <tantek>
why are they necessary for bug tracking apps?
- [20:28:06] <dglazkov>
is it like a to-do list?
- [20:28:13] <tantek>
in a centralized system you already have everything you need right?
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- [20:28:29] <tantek>
microformats are interesting when you want to publishing things on the open web and have them work together in a decentralized manner
- [20:28:42] <tantek>
so I could see a bug microformat being useful for a decentralized bug database
- [20:28:55] <tantek>
basically, what's the use case?
- [20:29:15] <tantek>
or are you simply trying to make the markup that web-based bug tracking apps generate more semantic?
- [20:29:21] <tantek>
(e.g. bugzilla)
- [20:30:26] <gsnedders>
I've more thought of microformats as a way of computers being able to gather data from pages, regardless of generator, and uh... do something with the data
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- [20:32:37] <gsnedders>
in the same way, surely each blog is centralised, so therefore what's the need of hAtom?
- [20:34:26] <gsnedders>
but tantek, now you mention it, I do see how in essence it could actually just be done using hReview
- [20:36:09] <gsnedders>
going back to what my thought of what a microformat is, surely it is equally regardless of whether all the data is in 2 sites, or 20,000,000 sites?
- [20:37:05] <RobertBachmann>
tantek: I'm aware of atom:source. I think it's quite handy for agregators. For example <http://feeds.technorati.com/feed/posts/tag/hatom> could use atom:source to denoted the source feed of each post.
- [20:37:28] <RobertBachmann>
(If it would be Atom not RSS)
- [20:44:12] <RobertBachmann>
Regarding: 1 feed w/ 1 enty != 1 entry
- [20:44:13] <RobertBachmann>
I might like to subscribe to <http://theryanking.com/blog/archives/category/beer/> althought it only contains only one entry but why would I like
- [20:44:13] <RobertBachmann>
to subscribe to <http://theryanking.com/blog/archives/2005/03/13/no-more-lager/>? It's just one entry.
- [20:46:55] <RobertBachmann>
s/denoted/denote/
- [20:47:34] <tantek>
gsnedders, hAtom is for the blog to share with other services, like search engines
- [20:47:47] <tantek>
which look at many blogs
- [20:48:02] <tantek>
whereas I don't know of any bug databases on the web that look at other bug databases on the web
- [20:48:14] <tantek>
or any web-wide bug database search engines
- [20:48:19] <gsnedders>
so they can cross-reference each other?
- [20:48:20] <tantek>
(which would be quite interesting)
- [20:48:21] <bewest>
MBB: MetaBuggaBase
- [20:48:30] <tantek>
does that really exist?
- [20:48:33] <bewest>
no
- [20:48:38] <bewest>
I made it up
- [20:48:45] <gsnedders>
nice name, though :)
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- [20:49:11] <bewest>
such a thing wouldn't be desirable, in most cases
- [20:49:14] <dglazkov>
actually, this is something a Web app could use
- [20:49:15] * tantek is convinced that bug reports are a just a specific use of hReview
- [20:49:26] <bewest>
do you want to publish your bugs so the whole world can see them?
- [20:49:31] <tantek>
totally
- [20:49:35] <dglazkov>
absolutely
- [20:49:37] <tantek>
people blog bug reports all the time!
- [20:49:45] <bewest>
hmmm
- [20:49:54] <tantek>
all you have to do is agree on something like tag them with "bugreport"
- [20:50:05] <tantek>
and then you can aggregate all hReviews that are "bugreport"s
- [20:50:13] <dglazkov>
and rating is criticality?
- [20:50:15] <gsnedders>
tantek: as I said above, I now see how hReview could be
- [20:50:24] <gsnedders>
used for that
- [20:50:35] <tantek>
yep. the key is to start with hReview and see how far it will get you
- [20:50:40] <bewest>
so you'd allow anyone to access your internal bug report database?
- [20:50:46] <tantek>
if it gets you 80% of the way there, that's probably sufficient for trying things out
- [20:50:56] <tantek>
bewest, what makes you think it is internal?
- [20:51:06] <tantek>
people are blogging bugs out in the open all the time on various products
- [20:51:16] <bewest>
ok
- [20:51:20] <tantek>
I would love to query for all the bugreports on the new MacBook for example
- [20:51:29] <bewest>
yeah, that'd be nice, actually
- [20:51:29] <gsnedders>
tantek: I'll give a heads up when I reach any problems
- [20:51:34] <bewest>
hmm
- [20:51:37] <tantek>
think about it like a world wide distributed consumer reports kind of functionality
- [20:51:48] <bewest>
yes, but that's more of a review
- [20:52:02] <gsnedders>
but as dglazkov, what do you for criticality?
- [20:52:07] <tantek>
but imagine checking bugreport instances against newly released products or updates
- [20:52:11] <gsnedders>
*dglazkov said
- [20:52:12] <tantek>
before buying etc.
- [20:52:13] <bewest>
yes, that' be neat
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- [20:52:22] <gsnedders>
I really am too tired.
- [20:52:37] <tantek>
gsnedders, which bug database tool are you adding this markup to?
- [20:52:45] <gsnedders>
tantek: I'm writing my own.
- [20:53:21] <tantek>
cool
- [20:53:22] <pnhChris>
RobertBachmann: you might subscribe to soemthign that's just one "entry" because you want to wath the page change
- [20:53:36] <tantek>
consider patching the templates for bugzilla
- [20:53:43] <bewest>
or mantis
- [20:53:49] <tantek>
or trac
- [20:53:52] <bewest>
or sugarcrm
- [20:53:53] <gsnedders>
tantek: can I PM you the basic wireframe I've got? I don't really want the URL getting out there
- [20:53:54] <pnhChris>
if you subscribe to http://chunkysoup.net/extras/zeitgeist/ you'll see the updates every month
- [20:54:24] <tantek>
gsnedders, you can wait until you're ok with the URL getting out there
- [20:54:40] * tantek is a little neck deep in coding right now...
- [20:54:41] <gsnedders>
tantek: part of my problem is most of them have some usability flaw or the other
- [20:54:46] * pnhChris is too
- [20:54:53] <tantek>
gsnedders, agreed
- [20:54:56] <dglazkov>
what are you guys working on?
- [20:54:59] <pnhChris>
but people keep using my name on irc forcing me to look over :P
- [20:55:17] <gsnedders>
tantek: and I'm really working on it from the ground up for usability and accessibility.
- [20:55:43] <tantek>
i can understand that. still, it is a big undertaking.
- [20:55:50] <gsnedders>
very much so.
- [20:55:58] <bewest>
mantis is surprisingly small, iirc
- [20:56:01] <tantek>
did you already try to contribute to existing open source bug tools to see if you could make them more usable and accessible
- [20:56:08] <tantek>
?
- [20:56:25] <tantek>
my guess is that most would more than welcome such improvements
- [20:57:19] <dglazkov>
have you guys seen my xfn+hCard question on the list?
- [20:58:22] <bewest>
re netsquared?
- [20:58:40] <gsnedders>
I didn't try, but I thought about doing so. I am most certainly doing somethings differently. I pretty much felt for most of the existing PHP ones (I'd've probably contributed to trac, if I knew python), too much needed to be done from a clean start, to do what I really wanted to achive.
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- [20:59:19] <dglazkov>
http://microformats.org/discuss/mail/microformats-discuss/2006-May/004115.html
- [20:59:23] <dglazkov>
this one
- [20:59:57] <tantek>
DG, I thought it was very cool
- [21:01:13] <gsnedders>
I currently have a June 1st deadline for RC1, but I very much doubt I'll make it. I'm also under very little obligation to make it. I'd much prefer to reach RC1 with a well coded script, instead of something that was very buggy and hard to understand what it was doing.
- [21:01:21] <dglazkov>
what do you think of implicitly adding an extra span around "a" for an hCard? Am I misleading the content authors? Or do we care?
- [21:01:34] <tantek>
dglazkov, you might want to offer a few options for that
- [21:01:45] <tantek>
e.g. many references to people in blog posts will actually be citations
- [21:01:56] <tantek>
thus it makes sense to use <cite> as a wrapper instead of <span> in that case
- [21:02:12] <tantek>
or if it is a person in a blogroll, then use <li> as the wrapper instead of <span>
- [21:02:18] <dglazkov>
ooh, cool idea! what about <address> for "me"?
- [21:02:54] <bewest>
so then it's up to the application code to determine what to wrap it in
- [21:03:30] <tantek>
<address> should only be used for the contact information for the page
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- [21:04:09] <gsnedders>
anyhow, I'm off for tonight. My sister is coming over (late) tomorrow for several days, so that'll steal my time. I should have something to say about my attempts with hReview tomorrow, but I'm making no promises.
- [21:04:10] <tantek>
e.g. if you have a section in your blogroll where you list links to your profile on other services, you should just use <li> for those
- [21:04:21] <tantek>
gsnedders, looking forward to it
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- [21:04:35] <tantek>
and if you come up with questions while trying it out, feel free to ask here
- [21:04:39] <tantek>
just missed him
- [21:07:58] <RobertBachmann>
pnhChris: Okay, I see your point. I might want to subscribe to a single entry to see if it changes. Nevertheless a single entry stays a single entry for me.
- [21:07:59] <RobertBachmann>
The good news is hAtom2Atom has xsl:param $implicit-feed = 0 | 1. So it doesn't realy matter what I think. ;-)
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- [21:09:29] <RobertBachmann>
Anyway, it would be cool if we could make a hAtom IRC meetup.
- [21:10:26] <tantek>
Robert, how's the output of the conversion of my page? http://tantek.com/
- [21:10:33] <tantek>
it should have sufficient hAtom to work
- [21:12:00] <KevinMarks>
markp's is hAtom too
- [21:12:14] * KevinMarks looks sheepish
- [21:17:27] <RobertBachmann>
Luke Arno's proxy is currently unavailable (error 500)
- [21:17:59] <RobertBachmann>
results look quite good: <http://pastebin.com/733849> besides /atom:feed/atom:updated/
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- [21:20:53] <RobertBachmann>
tantek: the datetimes for "agent training program 1 & 2" do not have a timezone offset
- [21:24:12] <tantek>
hmmm...
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- [21:25:04] <RobertBachmann>
and you have to add use the classes "entry-content" and "published" for your "agent training program" posts
- [21:25:38] <tantek>
ah, yes, those are pre-hAtom posts ;)
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another 2 minute spam block and cleanup record. :D
- [23:08:32] <briansuda>
tantek, i just wanted to check in and say all the conferences are going well
- [23:08:38] <tantek>
hey Brian
- [23:08:40] <tantek>
great!
- [23:08:45] <tantek>
how was your talk
- [23:08:48] <tantek>
and Molly's talk
- [23:08:53] <briansuda>
mine is tomorrow
- [23:08:55] <tantek>
and Rohit's poster session?
- [23:08:57] <tantek>
oh cool
- [23:09:08] <briansuda>
Molly had to cancel, so we MIGHT take her place, not sure
- [23:09:18] <briansuda>
i met Rohit, the poster is tomorrow as well
- [23:09:24] <tantek>
ah ok
- [23:09:32] <tantek>
oh no about Molly
- [23:09:35] <tantek>
that's too bad
- [23:09:42] <tantek>
yes, you and Ryan should totally take her place
- [23:10:06] <briansuda>
Ryan and i also met with some guys from UKOLN and they have a conference in 3 weeks and will be pushing for all the UK schools to mark-up their DIRs with hCard (like Uni of Bath_
- [23:10:15] <tantek>
excellent
- [23:10:37] <briansuda>
Molly emailed me to see if i would, and i offered, because we have plenty of material from XTECH, but no word from her end yet
- [23:10:57] <tantek>
please let them know they can use the http://feeds.technorati.com/contact/URL links as well, as we're doing our best to keep that up and running and fast.
- [23:11:38] <tantek>
and trying to take some of the load off of your co.uk box
- [23:11:38] <briansuda>
yes! i have been slammed with http://worldcupkickoff.com and everything seems to be working.
- [23:12:01] <tantek>
great!
- [23:12:33] <briansuda>
it was mentioned on LIFEHACKER and on Yahoo!
- [23:12:35] <briansuda>
http://news.yahoo.com/s/lifehacker/20060522/tc_lifehacker/worldcupstarttimesforicaletc;_ylt=AtGxuJ9LSV4YrUh3IylVeu8jtBAF;_ylu=X3oDMTA5aHJvMDdwBHNlYwN5bmNhdA--
- [23:12:58] <tantek>
that's awesome
- [23:13:20] <tantek>
add that to the hCalendar wiki page, in the entry for the worldcupkickoff
- [23:13:34] <briansuda>
i also got to me Dave Raggett, the man behind HTML TIDY - were would we be without that!
- [23:13:39] <tantek>
(and put in a quote, since the news.yahoo.com URLs self destruct in like two weeks I think)
- [23:13:57] <tantek>
Dave Raggett is much more than the man behind HTML TIDY
- [23:14:36] <briansuda>
Yeah, we hung out at XTECH and now at www2006 - his current thing is SLIDY which is a sort of S5
- [23:14:37] <tantek>
note the lead editor here: http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/
- [23:15:06] <briansuda>
interesting, he never mentioned that.
- [23:15:12] <tantek>
he is quite modest
- [23:15:20] <tantek>
as most truly great people are
- [23:15:51] <tantek>
he is definitely one of those people without whom the web would not be what it is
- [23:16:41] <briansuda>
good to know that i managed to accidentally fall into the right crowd
- [23:16:53] <briansuda>
i'll let you know how things go in the next few days. I'll definitely check out the poster tomorrow
- [23:17:25] <tantek>
yeah, I'm bummed that I missed XTech and WWWYYYY this year
- [23:17:38] <tantek>
but I've been heads down writing some very critical code
- [23:18:01] <tantek>
with any luck you'll see something in a few days
- [23:18:19] <Atamido_>
:)
- [23:18:21] <briansuda>
looking forward to it
- [23:19:41] <tantek>
please send my regrets to the BlogPulse / Weblogging Ecosystem folks
- [23:20:05] <tantek>
i've been very bad and blowing off pretty much all manner of conferences, many (most?) emails etc.
- [23:20:20] <tantek>
as is the price of focus sometimes
- [23:21:10] <briansuda>
i think their workshop is tomorrow (which is the same time as my presentation) but i will pass along your regrets if/when i see them
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- [23:22:18] <mfbot>
[[hcalendar]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar&diff=0&oldid=6448 * Brian * (+854) added text from the yahoo site for world cup kickoff
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