IRC Log for #microformats on 2006-06-09
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- [00:50:55] <tantek>
DanC, you around?
- [00:51:14] <tantek>
I noticed that one of your hCalendar events on your home page has no summary nor description
- [00:51:31] <tantek>
#csail8329
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hober is Edward O'Connor and works for EVDB on http://eventful.com/ and lives in San Diego, CA (-08:00)
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cgriego is Chris Griego (-06:00)
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bewest is curious about emerging standards and works for Alexa.com
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- [02:27:30] <DanC>
roger tantek; that's a bug. I clearly don't test that stuff well enough
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[[events]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events&diff=0&oldid=6536 * DimitriGlazkov * (+192)
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[[events]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events&diff=0&oldid=6537 * DimitriGlazkov * (+15) oops... correcting wiki markup
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A really cool XFN implementation - http://xaddemo.joshpeek.com/
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and runs www.csslounge.co.uk
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Enric is a media Software Developer and Videoblogger located at http://www.cirne.com
- [08:34:04] <mfbot>
[[implementations]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=implementations&diff=0&oldid=6538 * Michaelmd * (+133) Microformats Implementors And Implementations -
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[[implementations]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=implementations&diff=0&oldid=6539 * Michaelmd * (+21) SPRACI -
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[[presentations]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=presentations&diff=0&oldid=6540 * Raster * (+155) Added June 8th presentation
- [10:51:58] <trovster>
Is type required for vcard email address?
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Enric is a media Software Developer and Videoblogger located at http://www.cirne.com
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- [13:54:10] <tantek>
trovster, no, type is not required for vcard email address
- [13:54:16] <tantek>
default is type=internet
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pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
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- [14:08:51] <trovster>
Thought so, cool
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briansuda is brian suda of X2V fame
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RobertBachmann is Robert Bachmann <http://rbach.priv.at/> and lives in Austria (Timezone: UTC 02)
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redmonk is Steve Ivy, http://redmonk.net
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oh, hello jibot
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[[hcard]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=6541 * RobertBachmann * (-56) Implementations - removed: "Proposed update: http://rbach.priv.at/2006/hcard-creator"
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hober is Edward O'Connor and works for EVDB on http://eventful.com/ and lives in San Diego, CA (-08:00)
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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Jonnay is a programmer, graphic designer and musician. He blogs at http://blog.jonnay.net and his music is at http://www.jonnay.net
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redmonk is Steve Ivy, http://redmonk.net
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dglazkov is Dimitri Glazkov (http://glazkov.com) and lives in Birmingham, AL, USA (-6:00 GMT)
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briansuda is brian suda of X2V fame
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Enric is a media Software Developer and Videoblogger located at http://www.cirne.com
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[[hreview]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hreview&diff=0&oldid=6542 * AdamHertz * (+88) Microformats Draft Specification 2006-02-22 -
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kingryan is ryan king
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cgriego is Chris Griego (-06:00)
- [18:56:41] <redmonk>
hello, i'm just starting to play with hcard, and i'm adding it to the user profile page on a site i'm working on. is the content of the <div class='vcard'> limited to elements as described in the spec?
- [18:57:04] <redmonk>
or, can i add class="vcard" to my main profile div and then add the appropriate attributes to various elements within, but mixed with other content?
- [18:57:25] <dglazkov>
yes, you can
- [18:57:27] <briansuda>
redmonk, you can mix all sorts of content in side it
- [18:57:39] <redmonk>
thanks.
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- [18:59:55] <redmonk>
would a company name, linked to a company url, be <a class="organization-name url" /> ?
- [19:00:33] <kingryan>
if you're not breaking the organization down into organizational units, you can just use 'org'
- [19:00:40] <redmonk>
ah, cool
- [19:00:44] <kingryan>
but, 'url' is the url for the person
- [19:00:54] <redmonk>
hrm.
- [19:01:01] <kingryan>
or, rather, the 'object' of the hcard, which could be a person or a company
- [19:01:45] <redmonk>
right, so if i have a user with an org affiliation, how would i mark up that org name and link?
- [19:02:23] <briansuda>
you can use an @href just without the class="url"
- [19:02:34] <briansuda>
or you can make a seperate hCard for an organization
- [19:02:40] <kingryan>
just <a class="org" href="...">org name</a>
- [19:03:37] <redmonk>
ok
- [19:03:50] <redmonk>
yeah, no kneed for a separate org card right now
- [19:04:08] <redmonk>
since it's only there as an affiliation for a user (no separate entity anywhere)
- [19:05:13] <dglazkov>
kingryan, have a sec?
- [19:05:17] <kingryan>
yeah
- [19:05:21] <Atamido>
Motorola scraps with Razor over "MOTORAZR" http://cellphones.engadget.com/2006/06/08/motorola-scraps-with-razor-over-motorazr/
- [19:05:34] <Atamido>
Oops.
- [19:05:37] <dglazkov>
need a quick idea consult
- [19:05:44] <kingryan>
ok, shoot
- [19:06:41] <dglazkov>
I am starting ASP.NET microformats parser project... and was thinking about setting it up at sourceforge.net
- [19:06:53] <dglazkov>
but then searched for microformats and got zip
- [19:07:07] <dglazkov>
any reason for that? I remember you guys have your own repo for mf stuff
- [19:07:23] <kingryan>
yeah, you can use our mercurial repository, if you want
- [19:07:28] <kingryan>
http://hg.microformats.org/
- [19:07:36] <kingryan>
it hasn't been highly publicized
- [19:08:05] <dglazkov>
hmm.. that's just repository, but no bug tracking, forums, etc.
- [19:08:18] <dglazkov>
you know, the stuff sf.net is good at
- [19:08:26] <kingryan>
no, but I could probably add trac
- [19:08:32] <kingryan>
or something else that works with HG
- [19:09:41] <dglazkov>
never worked with hg. Looks kinda scary
- [19:09:48] <kingryan>
it's different
- [19:09:53] <kingryan>
being all p2p and stuff
- [19:09:58] <kingryan>
but very nice once you get used to it
- [19:12:29] * dglazkov is reading up on hg
- [19:13:19] <briansuda>
HG is nice because it lets us do local version control and then push back to the central server when needed
- [19:14:05] <briansuda>
it also allows for local development by an individual, then they can make a patch, and we can roll it into HG without having to give away commit access
- [19:14:19] <dglazkov>
are you using straight command line?
- [19:14:29] * briansuda is
- [19:14:47] <briansuda>
it is very similar to SVN, and CVS
- [19:15:05] * dglazkov wants TortoiseHG
- [19:15:12] * dglazkov is spoiled
- [19:15:37] * briansuda is on a mac and doesn't benefit from TortoiseANYTHING
- [19:16:23] <dglazkov>
every time I see those Apple ads, I imagine you guys ;)
- [19:19:11] <dglazkov>
I like the concept. this distributed authoring has a nice ring to it
- [19:19:19] <briansuda>
kingryan, did you add those BDAY tests to HG? i pulled/updated and didn't get anything
- [19:19:39] <kingryan>
eh, maybe I didn't push them
- [19:21:43] <kingryan>
pushing...
- [19:21:55] <dglazkov>
do you guys think it is a bad idea to start this project at sourceforge.net?
- [19:21:57] <briansuda>
also, i had a look at X2V and i think it would have handled the @href in area just fine, i need to add the @alt rules. Also, the example that was presented to the list was invalid and confusing, so some of the issues where not with the XSLT, but with the mark-up, some where with the XSLT
- [19:22:20] <briansuda>
dglazkov, have you searched sf? i think the Ruby MF parser is already there
- [19:23:52] <dglazkov>
yeah, I did. nothing there
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- [19:24:02] <dglazkov>
ruby parser is here: trac.labnotes.org
- [19:24:50] <dglazkov>
I've used sf.net before and I am very comfortable with it. Don't want another learning curve. call me lazy...
- [19:25:59] <briansuda>
it is ultimately your call, i don't see a problem with using SF
- [19:26:22] <briansuda>
you just don't get the benefits of hg.microformats.org, but then you get the benefits of bug trac, etc
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- [19:30:31] <dglazkov>
I think I'll go with sf.net for now. we'll see where this takes us
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- [19:39:32] <Atamido>
The only thing good about sf.net is it is there for the long run.
- [19:39:39] <Atamido>
And it is free.
- [19:40:03] <Atamido>
The site is horribly unstable, and the tools are all subpar.
- [19:41:43] <dglazkov>
yeah, it's not the best.
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- [19:55:01] <jibot>
cgriego is Chris Griego (-06:00)
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- [20:25:34] <ryanlowe>
I just read tantek's latest blog post ... how does flickr publish their hCards for profiles? http://flickr.com/people/tantek
- [20:25:59] <ryanlowe>
I was thinking it would be a meta tag of some sort, pointing to it (like RSS/Atom feeds)
- [20:26:35] <ryanlowe>
more specifically, how does technorati know where to look for the hCard?
- [20:27:22] <dglazkov>
are you asking how it finds the URL?
- [20:27:53] <dglazkov>
take a look at http://pingerati.net
- [20:29:15] <ryanlowe>
sure, tantek pointed to http://pingerati.net/ping/flickr.com/people/tantek ... to ping the 'location' ... but that's the profile page, not the hCard itself :)
- [20:29:31] <dglazkov>
yes it is an hCard :)
- [20:29:39] <dglazkov>
view source
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- [20:31:19] <ryanlowe>
ahh <div class="vcard">
- [20:31:24] <ryanlowe>
my bad, sorry
- [20:32:51] <dglazkov>
no problem
- [20:33:07] <ryanlowe>
:D
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- [20:35:32] <KevinMarks>
http://www.oreillynet.com/xml/blog/2006/06/the_7_flaws_of_the_semantic_we.html
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- [21:20:13] <jibot>
bewest is curious about emerging standards and works for Alexa.com
- [21:20:17] <bewest>
http://naeblis.cx/rtomayko/2004/12/12/rest-to-my-wife simplistic way of describing REST...
- [21:20:29] <bewest>
at the bottom it's very clear where microformats come in
- [21:20:37] <bewest>
maybe we can adapt it
- [21:26:03] <kingryan>
that's cool bewest
- [21:31:32] <bewest>
yeah, he mentions needing a serate representation for machines...
- [21:31:41] <bewest>
and something went *ding ding ding
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- [22:07:16] <kingryan>
bewest, about the that article again...
- [22:07:28] <kingryan>
its funny, because ryan knows about microformats
- [22:07:43] <kingryan>
and his wife hints at the microformats solution
- [22:07:59] * kingryan just now realizes that was written in 2004
- [22:08:12] <kingryan>
nevermind, ryan didn't know about microformats *then* :D
- [22:11:38] <bewest>
he knows about it now?
- [22:11:40] <bewest>
do you know him?
- [22:11:49] <kingryan>
only online
- [22:11:56] <kingryan>
he wrote a good article about mf's too
- [22:12:17] <bewest>
I really liked his application of polymorphism to verbs operating on nouns
- [22:12:44] <kingryan>
yeah, that's a good explanation
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- [22:19:02] <jibot>
tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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Enric is a media Software Developer and Videoblogger located at http://www.cirne.com
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