IRC Log for #microformats on 2006-06-09

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  5. [00:50:55] <tantek> DanC, you around?
  6. [00:51:14] <tantek> I noticed that one of your hCalendar events on your home page has no summary nor description
  7. [00:51:31] <tantek> #csail8329
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  14. [01:28:37] <jibot> hober is Edward O'Connor and works for EVDB on http://eventful.com/ and lives in San Diego, CA (-08:00)
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  16. [01:37:25] <jibot> cgriego is Chris Griego (-06:00)
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  19. [01:41:35] <jibot> bewest is curious about emerging standards and works for Alexa.com
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  22. [02:27:30] <DanC> roger tantek; that's a bug. I clearly don't test that stuff well enough
  23. [02:29:53] * tantek found that by searching for microformats events :)
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  26. [03:05:39] <mfbot> [[events]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events&diff=0&oldid=6536 * DimitriGlazkov * (+192)
  27. [03:08:50] <mfbot> [[events]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events&diff=0&oldid=6537 * DimitriGlazkov * (+15) oops... correcting wiki markup
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  35. [04:30:17] <shaponagota> A really cool XFN implementation - http://xaddemo.joshpeek.com/
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  44. [06:27:39] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  47. [07:16:37] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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  53. [08:05:55] <jibot> trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and runs www.csslounge.co.uk
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  58. [08:33:00] <jibot> Enric is a media Software Developer and Videoblogger located at http://www.cirne.com
  59. [08:34:04] <mfbot> [[implementations]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=implementations&diff=0&oldid=6538 * Michaelmd * (+133) Microformats Implementors And Implementations -
  60. [08:36:45] <mfbot> [[implementations]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=implementations&diff=0&oldid=6539 * Michaelmd * (+21) SPRACI -
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  65. [10:40:40] <mfbot> [[presentations]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=presentations&diff=0&oldid=6540 * Raster * (+155) Added June 8th presentation
  66. [10:51:58] <trovster> Is type required for vcard email address?
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  79. [13:22:37] <jibot> Enric is a media Software Developer and Videoblogger located at http://www.cirne.com
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  81. [13:54:10] <tantek> trovster, no, type is not required for vcard email address
  82. [13:54:16] <tantek> default is type=internet
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  84. [14:01:00] <jibot> pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
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  86. [14:08:51] <trovster> Thought so, cool
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  90. [14:25:33] <jibot> briansuda is brian suda of X2V fame
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  92. [15:00:37] <jibot> RobertBachmann is Robert Bachmann <http://rbach.priv.at/> and lives in Austria (Timezone: UTC 02)
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  94. [15:02:41] <jibot> redmonk is Steve Ivy, http://redmonk.net
  95. [15:03:03] <redmonk> oh, hello jibot
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  99. [15:21:03] <mfbot> [[hcard]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=6541 * RobertBachmann * (-56) Implementations - removed: "Proposed update: http://rbach.priv.at/2006/hcard-creator"
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  107. [16:23:18] <jibot> hober is Edward O'Connor and works for EVDB on http://eventful.com/ and lives in San Diego, CA (-08:00)
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  109. [16:29:25] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  112. [16:30:00] <jibot> Jonnay is a programmer, graphic designer and musician. He blogs at http://blog.jonnay.net and his music is at http://www.jonnay.net
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  117. [16:52:28] <jibot> redmonk is Steve Ivy, http://redmonk.net
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  119. [17:06:19] <jibot> dglazkov is Dimitri Glazkov (http://glazkov.com) and lives in Birmingham, AL, USA (-6:00 GMT)
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  125. [17:35:16] <jibot> briansuda is brian suda of X2V fame
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  127. [17:42:48] <jibot> Enric is a media Software Developer and Videoblogger located at http://www.cirne.com
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  131. [18:14:54] <mfbot> [[hreview]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hreview&diff=0&oldid=6542 * AdamHertz * (+88) Microformats Draft Specification 2006-02-22 -
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  133. [18:28:44] <jibot> kingryan is ryan king
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  140. [18:53:36] <jibot> cgriego is Chris Griego (-06:00)
  141. [18:56:41] <redmonk> hello, i'm just starting to play with hcard, and i'm adding it to the user profile page on a site i'm working on. is the content of the <div class='vcard'> limited to elements as described in the spec?
  142. [18:57:04] <redmonk> or, can i add class="vcard" to my main profile div and then add the appropriate attributes to various elements within, but mixed with other content?
  143. [18:57:25] <dglazkov> yes, you can
  144. [18:57:27] <briansuda> redmonk, you can mix all sorts of content in side it
  145. [18:57:39] <redmonk> thanks.
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  147. [18:59:55] <redmonk> would a company name, linked to a company url, be <a class="organization-name url" /> ?
  148. [19:00:33] <kingryan> if you're not breaking the organization down into organizational units, you can just use 'org'
  149. [19:00:40] <redmonk> ah, cool
  150. [19:00:44] <kingryan> but, 'url' is the url for the person
  151. [19:00:54] <redmonk> hrm.
  152. [19:01:01] <kingryan> or, rather, the 'object' of the hcard, which could be a person or a company
  153. [19:01:45] <redmonk> right, so if i have a user with an org affiliation, how would i mark up that org name and link?
  154. [19:02:23] <briansuda> you can use an @href just without the class="url"
  155. [19:02:34] <briansuda> or you can make a seperate hCard for an organization
  156. [19:02:40] <kingryan> just <a class="org" href="...">org name</a>
  157. [19:03:37] <redmonk> ok
  158. [19:03:50] <redmonk> yeah, no kneed for a separate org card right now
  159. [19:04:08] <redmonk> since it's only there as an affiliation for a user (no separate entity anywhere)
  160. [19:05:13] <dglazkov> kingryan, have a sec?
  161. [19:05:17] <kingryan> yeah
  162. [19:05:21] <Atamido> Motorola scraps with Razor over "MOTORAZR" http://cellphones.engadget.com/2006/06/08/motorola-scraps-with-razor-over-motorazr/
  163. [19:05:34] <Atamido> Oops.
  164. [19:05:37] <dglazkov> need a quick idea consult
  165. [19:05:44] <kingryan> ok, shoot
  166. [19:06:41] <dglazkov> I am starting ASP.NET microformats parser project... and was thinking about setting it up at sourceforge.net
  167. [19:06:53] <dglazkov> but then searched for microformats and got zip
  168. [19:07:07] <dglazkov> any reason for that? I remember you guys have your own repo for mf stuff
  169. [19:07:23] <kingryan> yeah, you can use our mercurial repository, if you want
  170. [19:07:28] <kingryan> http://hg.microformats.org/
  171. [19:07:36] <kingryan> it hasn't been highly publicized
  172. [19:08:05] <dglazkov> hmm.. that's just repository, but no bug tracking, forums, etc.
  173. [19:08:18] <dglazkov> you know, the stuff sf.net is good at
  174. [19:08:26] <kingryan> no, but I could probably add trac
  175. [19:08:32] <kingryan> or something else that works with HG
  176. [19:09:41] <dglazkov> never worked with hg. Looks kinda scary
  177. [19:09:48] <kingryan> it's different
  178. [19:09:53] <kingryan> being all p2p and stuff
  179. [19:09:58] <kingryan> but very nice once you get used to it
  180. [19:12:29] * dglazkov is reading up on hg
  181. [19:13:19] <briansuda> HG is nice because it lets us do local version control and then push back to the central server when needed
  182. [19:14:05] <briansuda> it also allows for local development by an individual, then they can make a patch, and we can roll it into HG without having to give away commit access
  183. [19:14:19] <dglazkov> are you using straight command line?
  184. [19:14:29] * briansuda is
  185. [19:14:47] <briansuda> it is very similar to SVN, and CVS
  186. [19:15:05] * dglazkov wants TortoiseHG
  187. [19:15:12] * dglazkov is spoiled
  188. [19:15:37] * briansuda is on a mac and doesn't benefit from TortoiseANYTHING
  189. [19:16:23] <dglazkov> every time I see those Apple ads, I imagine you guys ;)
  190. [19:19:11] <dglazkov> I like the concept. this distributed authoring has a nice ring to it
  191. [19:19:19] <briansuda> kingryan, did you add those BDAY tests to HG? i pulled/updated and didn't get anything
  192. [19:19:39] <kingryan> eh, maybe I didn't push them
  193. [19:21:43] <kingryan> pushing...
  194. [19:21:55] <dglazkov> do you guys think it is a bad idea to start this project at sourceforge.net?
  195. [19:21:57] <briansuda> also, i had a look at X2V and i think it would have handled the @href in area just fine, i need to add the @alt rules. Also, the example that was presented to the list was invalid and confusing, so some of the issues where not with the XSLT, but with the mark-up, some where with the XSLT
  196. [19:22:20] <briansuda> dglazkov, have you searched sf? i think the Ruby MF parser is already there
  197. [19:23:52] <dglazkov> yeah, I did. nothing there
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  199. [19:24:02] <dglazkov> ruby parser is here: trac.labnotes.org
  200. [19:24:50] <dglazkov> I've used sf.net before and I am very comfortable with it. Don't want another learning curve. call me lazy...
  201. [19:25:59] <briansuda> it is ultimately your call, i don't see a problem with using SF
  202. [19:26:22] <briansuda> you just don't get the benefits of hg.microformats.org, but then you get the benefits of bug trac, etc
  203. [19:27:32] * briansuda pulled and updated HG - all is good now
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  205. [19:30:31] <dglazkov> I think I'll go with sf.net for now. we'll see where this takes us
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  207. [19:39:32] <Atamido> The only thing good about sf.net is it is there for the long run.
  208. [19:39:39] <Atamido> And it is free.
  209. [19:40:03] <Atamido> The site is horribly unstable, and the tools are all subpar.
  210. [19:41:43] <dglazkov> yeah, it's not the best.
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  212. [19:55:01] <jibot> cgriego is Chris Griego (-06:00)
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  219. [20:25:34] <ryanlowe> I just read tantek's latest blog post ... how does flickr publish their hCards for profiles? http://flickr.com/people/tantek
  220. [20:25:59] <ryanlowe> I was thinking it would be a meta tag of some sort, pointing to it (like RSS/Atom feeds)
  221. [20:26:35] <ryanlowe> more specifically, how does technorati know where to look for the hCard?
  222. [20:27:22] <dglazkov> are you asking how it finds the URL?
  223. [20:27:53] <dglazkov> take a look at http://pingerati.net
  224. [20:29:15] <ryanlowe> sure, tantek pointed to http://pingerati.net/ping/flickr.com/people/tantek ... to ping the 'location' ... but that's the profile page, not the hCard itself :)
  225. [20:29:31] <dglazkov> yes it is an hCard :)
  226. [20:29:39] <dglazkov> view source
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  228. [20:31:19] <ryanlowe> ahh <div class="vcard">
  229. [20:31:24] <ryanlowe> my bad, sorry
  230. [20:32:51] <dglazkov> no problem
  231. [20:33:07] <ryanlowe> :D
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  233. [20:35:32] <KevinMarks> http://www.oreillynet.com/xml/blog/2006/06/the_7_flaws_of_the_semantic_we.html
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  241. [21:20:13] <jibot> bewest is curious about emerging standards and works for Alexa.com
  242. [21:20:17] <bewest> http://naeblis.cx/rtomayko/2004/12/12/rest-to-my-wife simplistic way of describing REST...
  243. [21:20:29] <bewest> at the bottom it's very clear where microformats come in
  244. [21:20:37] <bewest> maybe we can adapt it
  245. [21:26:03] <kingryan> that's cool bewest
  246. [21:31:32] <bewest> yeah, he mentions needing a serate representation for machines...
  247. [21:31:41] <bewest> and something went *ding ding ding
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  251. [22:07:16] <kingryan> bewest, about the that article again...
  252. [22:07:28] <kingryan> its funny, because ryan knows about microformats
  253. [22:07:43] <kingryan> and his wife hints at the microformats solution
  254. [22:07:59] * kingryan just now realizes that was written in 2004
  255. [22:08:12] <kingryan> nevermind, ryan didn't know about microformats *then* :D
  256. [22:11:38] <bewest> he knows about it now?
  257. [22:11:40] <bewest> do you know him?
  258. [22:11:49] <kingryan> only online
  259. [22:11:56] <kingryan> he wrote a good article about mf's too
  260. [22:12:17] <bewest> I really liked his application of polymorphism to verbs operating on nouns
  261. [22:12:44] <kingryan> yeah, that's a good explanation
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  263. [22:19:02] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  267. [23:03:22] <jibot> Enric is a media Software Developer and Videoblogger located at http://www.cirne.com
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