IRC Log for #microformats on 2006-06-08

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  73. [11:15:11] <jibot> gsnedders is a 14 year old idiot from Scotland and pretends to have a website at http://geoffers.uni.cc/
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  90. [13:42:57] <jibot> dglazkov is Dimitri Glazkov (http://glazkov.com) and lives in Birmingham, AL, USA (-6:00 GMT)
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  92. [14:06:54] <jibot> briansuda is brian suda of X2V fame
  93. [14:11:02] <dglazkov> tantek!
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  98. [14:52:41] <jibot> cgriego is Chris Griego (-06:00)
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  100. [15:04:05] <jibot> Enric is a media Software Developer and Videoblogger located at http://www.cirne.com
  101. [15:17:49] <Enric> Hey Tantek
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  104. [15:48:08] <tantek> Hey Enric
  105. [15:48:15] <tantek> hey dglazkov
  106. [15:48:22] <dglazkov> hey tantek
  107. [15:48:31] <dglazkov> did you see my question on uf-discuss about the themes?
  108. [15:49:49] <briansuda> dglazkov, do you have a link to the question?
  109. [15:50:03] <jibot> Hwin is horseygurl, trying to go undercover.
  110. [15:50:18] <tantek> dglazkov, all my presentations on microformats are CC-by licensed
  111. [15:50:25] <dglazkov> sorry -- let me just ask here: can I reuse your white-green theme for s5 for my presentation
  112. [15:50:26] <tantek> feel free to use the css as well as the content
  113. [15:50:32] <dglazkov> great!
  114. [15:50:34] <dglazkov> thanks
  115. [15:50:40] <tantek> the images may have different licenses
  116. [15:50:43] <gsnedders> tantek: I finally stopped being lazy and did something about Fbug :)
  117. [15:50:45] <tantek> depending on where they came from
  118. [15:50:54] <tantek> hey gsnedders
  119. [15:50:57] <dglazkov> btw, your plenary presentation is a super improvement
  120. [15:55:19] <tantek> thanks dglazkvo
  121. [15:55:23] <tantek> dglazkov
  122. [15:55:37] <tantek> (/me has a pet peeve about misspellings of names)
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  124. [15:57:25] <jibot> ChanServ is the great op giver and on freenode it is part of dancer-services, which is deprecated. Please message lilo if you're a python coder who wants to help code the replacement.
  125. [15:57:50] <gsnedders> I hope to have a beta of Fbug sometime next week
  126. [16:07:34] <dglazkov> tantek, that's because your last name isn't smith
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  128. [16:13:27] * tantek finally leaves a comment on Scott's follow-up rant/post: http://weblog.randomchaos.com/archive/2006/06/02/Companies_Can_Safely_Ignore_Me/#comments
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  136. [17:13:16] <jibot> RobertBachmann is Robert Bachmann <http://rbach.priv.at/> and lives in Austria (Timezone: UTC 02)
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  141. [17:35:08] <jibot> kingryan is ryan king
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  152. [18:02:55] <jibot> Enric is a media Software Developer and Videoblogger located at http://www.cirne.com
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  157. [18:38:23] <jibot> pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
  158. [18:41:09] <briansuda> kingryan, has there ever been a discussion about a Planet Microformats site? possibly a subdomain of microformats.org if not, i wouldn't mind taking a hack at it
  159. [18:41:19] <kingryan> not that I know of
  160. [18:42:10] <briansuda> OK, i'll play around in my infinite freetime and let you know what emerges
  161. [18:45:58] <mfbot> [[hcard-parsing]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-parsing&diff=0&oldid=6534 * Tantek * (+220) added rules for AREA element, added note about proper treatment of floating dates and times
  162. [18:46:53] <briansuda> Oh, kingryan, another thing i just realised with the hCard tests
  163. [18:47:09] <briansuda> we need to add one for the Implied-N where there is a comma in the name
  164. [18:47:12] <briansuda> "Suda, Brian"
  165. [18:47:18] <kingryan> ok, go for it!
  166. [18:47:19] <briansuda> X2V fails on that currently
  167. [18:47:35] <tantek> oh hey brian
  168. [18:47:46] * tantek just added AREA rules to hcard-parsing
  169. [18:48:03] <briansuda> tantek, i see that. Also the only DATETIME in hCard is birthday
  170. [18:48:30] <briansuda> floating times are important, but more important on the hCalendar page
  171. [18:48:52] <briansuda> X2V probably does have a big with floated times, it was probably introduced with the padding issues
  172. [18:49:17] <briansuda> once Ryan gets a DATETIME test up, i'll correct the XSLT to reflect that
  173. [18:49:47] <kingryan> there's some tests in hg already
  174. [18:49:50] <kingryan> for hcalendar
  175. [18:49:55] <kingryan> but I can add some for hcard
  176. [18:50:00] <tantek> briansuda, right about all that (bday etc.)
  177. [18:50:02] <kingryan> there are no birthday tests in hcard yet
  178. [18:50:11] <tantek> I'm taking care to try to keep the documentation in hcard-parsing fairly generic
  179. [18:50:56] <tantek> so that folks can follow the same rules for hCalendar parsing, until I have gotten around to writing up /wiki/hcalendar-parsing (which will inevitably lead to me extracting the common bits into /wiki/compound-microformat-parsing probably
  180. [18:51:02] <briansuda> kingryan, i don't think there is a TABLE AXIS/HEADER/ID test either... i'll see what i can do this weekend in getting some of those into the hCard
  181. [18:51:06] <tantek> there are examples in the wild with bdays though
  182. [18:51:24] <kingryan> yeah, but we need to write testcases for them still, tantek
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  184. [18:51:28] <jibot> cgriego is Chris Griego (-06:00)
  185. [18:51:31] <tantek> agreed kingryan
  186. [18:51:32] <briansuda> i think Flickr has AGE
  187. [18:51:44] <briansuda> not sure if that is converted to BDAY or not?
  188. [18:51:54] <tantek> it is not
  189. [18:52:35] * briansuda things hCard parsing as a generic set is good, will make the hCalendar parsing page easier to write
  190. [18:52:43] * briansuda thinks not things
  191. [18:54:45] <dglazkov> yay! presentation went well
  192. [18:55:58] <kingryan> great dglazkov
  193. [18:56:38] <briansuda> dglazkov, any slides online?
  194. [18:56:45] <dglazkov> not yet -- working on it
  195. [18:56:50] <dglazkov> it was a two-hour presentation
  196. [18:56:54] <kingryan> wow
  197. [18:56:56] <tantek> congrats dglazkov!
  198. [18:56:58] <briansuda> be sure to add it to the wiki page about presentations
  199. [18:57:00] <dglazkov> took two hours to prepare ;)
  200. [18:57:09] <tantek> be sure to add your presentation, photos etc. to http://microformats.org/wiki/presentations
  201. [18:57:29] * briansuda thinks the planet microformats would come in handy right about now
  202. [18:57:33] <dglazkov> I took Tantek's sxsw presentation and riffed on it
  203. [18:57:54] <dglazkov> btw, I just left your presentation mention in Colophon. Is that the right way to attribute?
  204. [19:00:20] <kingryan> that's what I do, dglazkov
  205. [19:01:21] <dglazkov> there may be a video. _may be_.
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  207. [19:05:55] <tantek> dglazkov, I think as long as you cite what works you derived from, with names of authors, that seems sufficient IMHO
  208. [19:07:16] <dglazkov> great!
  209. [19:08:00] <dglazkov> I am going to clean up the presentation (had to hack a bit the look and feel of pre/code stuff) and publish it shortly.
  210. [19:11:13] <dglazkov> scott got really upset over this microformats search thing, didn't he?
  211. [19:12:14] <kingryan> yeah
  212. [19:13:49] <dglazkov> too bad
  213. [19:14:57] <dglazkov> but, in retrospective, whenever you innovate, you become one of two things:
  214. [19:15:08] <dglazkov> 1) a stepping stone
  215. [19:15:48] <dglazkov> 2) a respected authority
  216. [19:16:15] <dglazkov> and so far, I don't understand the choosing algorithm
  217. [19:17:33] <dglazkov> and there's that red queen problem
  218. [19:17:35] * bunnywabbit_ is now known as bunny_dead
  219. [19:22:35] <tantek> dglazkov, sometime you become both
  220. [19:22:38] <tantek> sometimes even
  221. [19:23:18] <tantek> a lot of the difference between 1 & 2 is how much time and persistence you put into it
  222. [19:23:20] <dglazkov> right. But you always gotta run. Accomplishment is nothing.
  223. [19:23:33] <tantek> release often doesn't mean release lots of first versions of different things
  224. [19:23:49] <tantek> release often means iterate quickly and update the thing you released early
  225. [19:24:01] <tantek> and therefore thus, yes, the red queen problem
  226. [19:24:57] <dglazkov> how hard would it have a "world calendar" view of the hCalendar search?
  227. [19:25:04] <tantek> indeed
  228. [19:25:28] <tantek> a distributed/decentralized world wide calendar of events presents all sorts of new UI challenges
  229. [19:25:34] <dglazkov> that would be a super-demo
  230. [19:27:33] <dglazkov> btw, I followed your advice and started with a demo
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  236. [19:40:23] <bunny_dead> ?def dglazkov
  237. [19:40:23] <jibot> dglazkov is Dimitri Glazkov (http://glazkov.com) and lives in Birmingham, AL, USA (-6:00 GMT)
  238. [19:40:45] <dglazkov> ?def dunny_dead
  239. [19:40:46] <jibot> Nobody has defined dunny_dead yet
  240. [19:44:21] <KevinMarks> ?aka bunny_dead
  241. [19:44:21] <jibot> bunny_dead is also known as mddeephack_ and redear___ and imorpheu and fafnir_is_back and graaah and eseidel_ and dchen___ and legionx_ and nichlas_ and [3]adam_gfx2 and too many more to list.
  242. [19:44:26] <KevinMarks> hm
  243. [19:45:07] <dglazkov> ?def bunny_dead
  244. [19:45:08] <jibot> Nobody has defined bunny_dead yet
  245. [19:45:25] <dglazkov> ?def bunny
  246. [19:45:26] <jibot> bunny is bunnywabbit_ enjoying an early Christmas present from lilo and ibunny
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  249. [19:46:45] <KevinMarks> ?def bunnywabbit_
  250. [19:46:45] <jibot> bunnywabbit_ is Stephanie Booth from Lausanne (CH) and blogs at http://climbtothestars.org (fr-en) and elsewhere (http://steph.suprglu.com) and working for http://cocomment.com (#cocomment)
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  254. [19:58:11] <dglazkov> http://www.flickr.com/photos/schram/163173930/
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  259. [20:49:53] <briansuda> i'm not sure when this happened, but the http://web2.0validator.com/ now checks for microfomats
  260. [20:50:06] <kingryan> I think that's been in there for awhile
  261. [20:50:35] <briansuda> it's like must see tv, if you haven't seen it, it's new to you
  262. [20:51:09] <kingryan> my favorite rule from the validator: "Appears to be web 3.0 ? Yes!"
  263. [20:52:16] * tantek (n=tantek@dsl092-180-250.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net) has joined #microformats
  264. [20:52:17] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
  265. [20:52:20] * ChanServ sets mode +o tantek
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  268. [21:05:54] <jibot> bewest is curious about emerging standards and works for Alexa.com
  269. [21:07:03] <kingryan> bewest, so are you in the bay area now?
  270. [21:09:13] <bewest> yes :-)
  271. [21:09:21] <bewest> I can't believe I missed the meet up a little while ago
  272. [21:09:22] <kingryan> coolio
  273. [21:09:37] <bewest> yeah, I moved at the end of April
  274. [21:12:06] <kingryan> cool
  275. [21:12:20] <kingryan> what part of the area are you living in?
  276. [21:20:02] <tantek> bewest, welcome to the bay area
  277. [21:20:13] <tantek> you made it here just in time for the nice weather
  278. [21:28:53] <bewest> I live in the richmond
  279. [21:29:03] <bewest> Caifonia & 20th or so
  280. [21:29:18] <bewest> tantek: thanks :)
  281. [21:29:27] <bewest> I heard there was some nast weather in the spring
  282. [21:29:36] <bewest> but was also told the richmond gets cold and foggy in the summer
  283. [21:29:52] <kingryan> yeah, but we have about a month right now when its sunny and warm
  284. [21:29:54] <bewest> where is the technorati office?
  285. [21:30:08] <KevinMarks> 665 3rd street
  286. [21:30:24] <bewest> ah, downtown?
  287. [21:30:52] <bewest> I've been evangelizing microformats here like crazy
  288. [21:30:59] <kingryan> yeah, we're over in SOMA
  289. [21:31:06] <bewest> trying to turn on our crawl team
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  292. [21:31:45] <bewest> do you think a search results page is kind of like a review?
  293. [21:33:37] <tantek> not really
  294. [21:33:50] <tantek> because the "result" summary is not human generated
  295. [21:34:03] <tantek> reviews have a human reviewer
  296. [21:34:03] <bewest> yeah, good point
  297. [21:34:16] <bewest> well, and the whole idea is about publised content, right?
  298. [21:34:40] <bewest> search results aren't realy meant to be published and indexed themselves...
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  302. [21:38:54] <tantek> right
  303. [21:39:09] <tantek> unless they are more than just "search" results and actually provide some meaning
  304. [21:39:25] <tantek> e.g. syndication
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  307. [21:43:34] <mfbot> [[hcard-parsing]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-parsing&diff=0&oldid=6535 * Tantek * (+300) added specific handling of degenerate <br> / <hr> use for microformats properties just to make it explicit
  308. [21:46:29] * kingryan wishes that browsers would actually *refresh* when he asks them to
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  310. [21:49:19] <kingryan> anyone around with WinIE in front of them?
  311. [21:49:38] <briansuda> what do you need kingryan
  312. [21:49:53] <kingryan> need to check http://microformats.org/code/hcard/creator in winIE
  313. [21:50:13] <briansuda> will do, what are you looking for inperticular?
  314. [21:50:33] <kingryan> nothing in particular
  315. [21:50:38] <kingryan> just general working
  316. [21:50:43] <tantek> hmm...
  317. [21:50:55] <tantek> i would like to put in some warnings about publishing your email and spam harvesting bots
  318. [21:51:10] <tantek> that's one of the reasons i was waiting on updating the canonical creator on microformats.org
  319. [21:51:34] <tantek> typical users (perhaps even average bloggers) don't know about email harvesting bots
  320. [21:51:38] <kingryan> true
  321. [21:51:41] <tantek> same problem with telephone and IM
  322. [21:51:51] <kingryan> I can add some obfuscation to the markup
  323. [21:52:11] <kingryan> of course, abstinence is the only sure solution
  324. [21:52:16] <tantek> the problem is, if a microformats parser can parse the content, then the spam bot just has to use that library
  325. [21:52:31] <tantek> right, which is why i deliberately omitted those fields from the hCard creator I wrote
  326. [21:52:56] <tantek> if we want to update it quickly, let's just comment out those fields for now
  327. [21:53:08] <kingryan> well, its already updated
  328. [21:53:08] <tantek> phone, email, aim, yim
  329. [21:53:14] <tantek> uh
  330. [21:53:21] <kingryan> but I can remove those
  331. [21:53:26] <tantek> thanks!
  332. [21:53:32] <briansuda> it seems to work for me.
  333. [21:53:36] <kingryan> good
  334. [21:53:44] <tantek> looks good in Camino
  335. [21:53:50] <briansuda> i was going to suggest adding SKYPE, but it looks like it will be axed anyway
  336. [21:54:46] <kingryan> of course, now I'm commenting out all the work I've done this afternoon
  337. [21:54:59] <tantek> hmm...
  338. [21:55:30] <tantek> the fieldset got wider
  339. [21:55:36] <tantek> which makes the code preview wrap too soon
  340. [21:55:49] <tantek> or rather, requires a 1024 wide display in order to not wrap
  341. [21:55:52] <kingryan> yes, it got wider, no its not perfect
  342. [21:55:59] <tantek> well, it could be made a lot narrower
  343. [21:56:11] <tantek> tons of empty space between the longest input boxes and the right edge of the fieldset
  344. [21:56:16] <kingryan> I know, I know, I know
  345. [21:56:23] <tantek> oh ok, just making sure
  346. [21:56:33] <tantek> everything else looks good in both Safari 1.3 and 2.0 btw
  347. [21:56:34] <kingryan> thanks
  348. [21:56:37] <vant> Works fine with ie7 :)
  349. [21:57:26] <tantek> hmm, javascript errors in ie5/mac
  350. [21:57:34] <tantek> whereas previous version worked I think
  351. [21:57:48] <tantek> at least the version I coded up: http://tantek.com/microformats/hcard-creator.html
  352. [21:58:12] <tantek> vant, could you try enabling Scripting Error Alerts in your IE/Windows preferences and see if you get any script errors?
  353. [21:59:01] <vant> sure, wait for a sec.
  354. [21:59:35] <tantek> i'm getting an "Expected ')'" inside Mochikit
  355. [21:59:53] <briansuda> i get error Line 85, char 7 in IE 6
  356. [22:00:01] <briansuda> but everything works fine
  357. [22:00:04] <tantek> and an "Expected identifier or string" on the line with }; on line 85, char 6
  358. [22:00:07] <tantek> yep
  359. [22:00:08] <tantek> same here
  360. [22:00:12] <tantek> on IE5/Mac
  361. [22:00:46] <kingryan> is this the IE/Mac useragent string:
  362. [22:00:47] <kingryan> Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.23; Mac_PowerPC) ?
  363. [22:00:58] <tantek> that's one of them yes
  364. [22:01:01] <tantek> here is the other
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  366. [22:01:56] * tantek just tried out the creator in IE5.17/Mac
  367. [22:02:27] <tantek> Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.17; Mac_PowerPC)
  368. [22:03:32] <vant> yeah, got an error at line 85, char 7
  369. [22:03:39] <kingryan> in ie 7?
  370. [22:03:43] <vant> yep
  371. [22:03:43] <kingryan> in which file?
  372. [22:05:01] <kingryan> and which beta of IE7, vant?
  373. [22:05:13] <vant> the one in micformats.org
  374. [22:05:34] <kingryan> no, which file does the log say the error is in?
  375. [22:05:46] <kingryan> trust me, there's more than one file :D
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  377. [22:05:50] <jibot> Enric is a media Software Developer and Videoblogger located at http://www.cirne.com
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  379. [22:07:58] <vant> i dunno which file. the dialog has only url but file
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  381. [22:08:07] <kingryan> well, what's the URL?
  382. [22:08:11] <vant> ah and Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322; .NET CLR 2.0.50727)
  383. [22:09:08] <vant> oh. http://microformats.org/code/hcard/creator
  384. [22:09:14] <kingryan> ok, thanks
  385. [22:09:39] <tantek> same here with IE5/Mac
  386. [22:09:53] <kingryan> well line 85 of the file is now commented out
  387. [22:10:03] <kingryan> so, any errors there seem kinda silly
  388. [22:13:37] <kingryan> alright, looking at the log files, only two IP addresses have accessed this file in its entire lifetime on microformats.org with Mac IE
  389. [22:13:42] <kingryan> it might be time to give up support
  390. [22:14:47] <kingryan> I'll bet at least one of those users was tantek
  391. [22:16:33] <tantek> you searched the entire logs of microformats.org in that time? i thought we were rotating/archiving logs somewhere (since we do get a bit of traffic)
  392. [22:17:23] <tantek> if it was anything other than fixing little bugs in the javascript that may have been inadvertantly introduced, i might agree
  393. [22:18:09] <tantek> IE (both Mac and Win) has stricter javascript parsing than, ahem, other implementations, and thus is going to raise errors sooner rather than later when you're doing something wrong
  394. [22:18:18] <tantek> think of it as "lint" ;)
  395. [22:18:21] <kingryan> nope, no rotation
  396. [22:18:49] <tantek> that log file has to be getting quite big then ;)
  397. [22:18:54] <kingryan> files*
  398. [22:19:17] <kingryan> and if by "big" you mean 10s of MBs, then yes
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  400. [22:29:42] <vant> got the prob. try getting rid of the last comma at line 82
  401. [22:30:13] <vant> tel : ' <div class="tel">${tel}</div>',
  402. [22:30:17] <kingryan> yeah, I got that
  403. [22:30:30] <kingryan> you having any other errors?
  404. [22:30:37] <vant> :)
  405. [22:31:01] <vant> lemme double check
  406. [22:31:32] <vant> nope. whoa!
  407. [22:33:21] <kingryan> good
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  409. [22:36:12] <jibot> hober is Edward O'Connor and works for EVDB on http://eventful.com/ and lives in San Diego, CA (-08:00)
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  412. [23:08:56] <kingryan> interesting, it seems that vcard's BDAY can take UTC offsets, unlike iCalendar
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