IRC Log for #microformats on 2006-06-23
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- [00:00:07] <molly>
maybe that's important, Tantek
- [00:00:22] <tantek>
abandoning the article is important?
- [00:00:22] <molly>
maybe it just needs to be framed in a stronger context
- [00:00:37] <molly>
no, the idea that it takes time to get to the good stuff, at least the way the W3C is going.
- [00:00:44] <tantek>
There is also the MIT Technology article / interview of Tim Berners-Lee
- [00:00:45] <molly>
that's the way it looks, right?
- [00:00:47] <KevinMarks>
i can see that you're trying to contrast the formal ontology stuff with the mf simplicity, but your lead-in may be too long
- [00:00:56] <tantek>
where he outlines a very good user scenario for the Semantic Web
- [00:01:01] <tantek>
without using any of the acronyms etc.
- [00:01:13] <KevinMarks>
you might want to prefigure that earlier
- [00:01:19] <molly>
i wish I'd shown up in here sooner
- [00:01:24] <molly>
I'm not sure I can burn the whole thing down :)
- [00:01:27] <molly>
but I can trim and refine
- [00:01:30] <molly>
and like I said
- [00:01:34] <molly>
I have five more to do
- [00:01:39] <molly>
so I'll be more proactive
- [00:01:42] <molly>
in getting feedback
- [00:01:45] <tantek>
molly, it's not that it takes time to get to the good stuff, "at least the way the W3C is going", but rather, along that path, you won't ever get to the good stuff
- [00:01:48] <tantek>
that's the problem
- [00:02:05] <rohit__>
omg -- "ConsortiumInfo.org," -- i'd never heard of it. What a gas!. Ok, onto a productive point: I *love* the table... my main reaction was that "solves broad vs solves specific problems" was too subtle: I find a useful olive branch to proffer is that, look, µfs are for the top-10, top-20 sort of common users, not for hGenomicSequence sort of mission-specific problems.
- [00:02:19] <rohit__>
In that sense, µf is broad, and SW is specific....
- [00:02:30] <molly>
Rohit: I thought the table was strong too
- [00:02:34] <molly>
and might be better in the lead
- [00:02:39] <tantek>
molly, you wrote: "they could create a relationship model along the lines of FOAF."
- [00:02:41] <molly>
I might be able to shuffle that around
- [00:02:43] <tantek>
actually no
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- [00:03:00] <tantek>
we could create a relationship model along the lines of existing behavior by millions of bloggers with the their blogrolls
- [00:03:03] <tantek>
and second
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- [00:03:37] <tantek>
FOAF actually has *nothing* to do with relationships or "friends". worst name ever for a technology. (well maybe not worst, but pretty darn bad)
- [00:03:43] <tantek>
that's the irony
- [00:04:00] <kingryan>
all FOAF has is "knows"
- [00:04:04] <KevinMarks>
right, FOAF 'list of random people'
- [00:04:06] <kingryan>
(in terms of relationships)
- [00:04:06] <tantek>
XFN represents relationships, and *just* that. simple, focused, concise.
- [00:04:18] <tantek>
whereas FOAF is a massive "profile" format
- [00:04:24] <KevinMarks>
they eventually added the equivalent of 'me'
- [00:04:31] <tantek>
"knows" is no different than <a href="">
- [00:04:36] <tantek>
it has no meaning
- [00:04:37] <KevinMarks>
FOAF is more like a broken hCard
- [00:04:39] <molly>
okay, woah
- [00:04:41] <molly>
guys
- [00:04:45] <KevinMarks>
heh
- [00:04:47] <tantek>
an unnecessarily reinvented hCard
- [00:04:51] <molly>
I for one, don't have a Computer Science degree
- [00:04:56] <molly>
and it would help me a lot
- [00:04:56] <rohit__>
good for you!
- [00:04:59] <molly>
if you slowed down a moment
- [00:05:05] <KevinMarks>
I don't either
- [00:05:06] <KevinMarks>
;)
- [00:05:24] <molly>
I'm just doing my best. I have an audience, I want to do things better
- [00:05:26] <rohit__>
yeah, tantek, don't skip ahead to editorial judgement -- that's part V of the V-part series :)
- [00:05:33] <molly>
but give me a chance to absorb it all too :)
- [00:05:43] <tantek>
Molly, IMHO, the article is trying to cover too much, and as a result unfortunately has a lot of inaccuracies.
- [00:05:48] <molly>
Okay, fair enough
- [00:06:02] <rohit__>
Purely as a matter of style, molly, my nosy observation would be that in part 1, at least, the lede has been buried.
- [00:06:09] <tantek>
I mean, don't get me wrong, the article has A LOT right.
- [00:06:24] <tantek>
It's just got a lot of common misconceptions re: SemWeb
- [00:07:03] <tantek>
some positive, some negative
- [00:07:05] <tantek>
to be fair
- [00:07:50] <molly>
well, than maybe someone with a better understanding of those misconceptions than I should write about that. I go by what the W3C language and TBL has said - I'm a journalist, not a scientist. I can't know those things without someone else telling me
- [00:07:55] <molly>
it's like a good murder mystery
- [00:08:00] <molly>
someone has to give me a lead.
- [00:08:06] <molly>
Street friends, as it were.
- [00:08:25] <tantek>
molly, that's the problem. it's actually fairly challenging even *with* a CS degree to understand/disentagle what the W3C language and TBL has said with respect to SemWeb
- [00:08:31] <rohit__>
meet me in a dark parking garage, sweetie....
- [00:08:44] <molly>
Rohit, only if you take me for sushi
- [00:08:51] <molly>
okay, Tantek, that's fair enough
- [00:08:59] <KevinMarks>
TBL hasn't got a CS degree either
- [00:09:00] <molly>
but how then do you answer to those 800 people looking to you in a room
- [00:09:01] <rohit__>
the lede I thought of was: just clip two lines and pose them as a puzzle:
- [00:09:11] <tantek>
molly, this is my point. most SemWeb stuff is *so* confusing to even those familiar in the art, that it is not worth the time to confuse folks with it
- [00:09:15] <KevinMarks>
part of his problem is that he handed over the SW stuff to the pure CS types
- [00:09:23] <rohit__>
"know thyself! -- in that spirit, what would you make of these two lines:
- [00:09:31] <pnhChris>
mmm .. .sushi
- [00:09:42] <tantek>
sushi? where?
- [00:09:47] <molly>
Rohit's buying
- [00:09:49] <rohit__>
"< foaf : Person >
- [00:09:51] <rohit__>
</foaf><foaf :name>Molly E. Holzschlag</foaf>
- [00:09:51] <rohit__>
<foaf :mbox rdf:resource="mailto:molly@molly.com" />"
- [00:09:52] <rohit__>
or
- [00:10:20] <rohit__>
"<a href="mailto:molly@molly.com" rel="me">Molly E. Holzschlag</a>"
- [00:10:24] <molly>
That's good
- [00:10:29] <molly>
that's the kind of thing that is practical
- [00:10:36] <rohit__>
[hey, isn't that a bug, the </foaf> prematurely?
- [00:11:06] <rohit__>
yeah, and just go straight into setting the Uppercase/lowercase drama, and then continue with the article pretty much intact.
- [00:11:48] <rohit__>
I think the same text on SemWeb will work out fine if the reader's in a critical mindset, open to hearing about the nooks and crannies (strengths/weaknesses) in the upcoming articles
- [00:12:03] <molly>
There's still the problem of publishers saying to me "give us more about Semantic Web" and then, to quote Simon Pegg (name that fame) "Skip to the End"
- [00:12:12] <molly>
in other words, they want something about SemWeb
- [00:12:19] <molly>
and they don't want to insult their IT guys
- [00:12:23] <molly>
yes, Rohit, GUYS
- [00:12:27] <rohit__>
"these are two competing visions of how I could tell the world -- and machines -- who I am...."
- [00:12:33] <molly>
who all think they know stuff, and sometimes really do.
- [00:12:43] <rohit__>
MEGO -- courtesy Safire -- my eyes glaze over :)
- [00:13:13] * KevinMarks gives molly a cricket bat to kill off SemWeb zombies with
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- [00:13:33] <tantek>
Kevin, old 78s work well for that
- [00:13:50] <tantek>
molly, which publishers are saying "give us more about Semantic Web"
- [00:13:52] <tantek>
?
- [00:13:57] <molly>
InformIT
- [00:14:05] <tantek>
and would they really know the difference if you gave them more "semantic web" instead?
- [00:14:05] <molly>
lots of people
- [00:14:08] * tantek doubts it
- [00:14:09] * KevinMarks invents the Semiotic Web
- [00:14:25] <molly>
Tantek, are you asking me to be subversive? :: raises eyebrows ::
- [00:14:37] <tantek>
who me? never! :D
- [00:14:47] <rohit__>
it's a legitimate editorial interest. Semantic Web has its place, *particularly* within focused workgroups/enterprises worrying about long-term interop over idiosyncratic data
- [00:14:50] <KevinMarks>
'oh, I couldn't hear the capital letters'
- [00:15:20] <rohit__>
So Molly can get a lot further into the series before being accused of subversion...
- [00:16:17] <molly>
what's that old saying folks?
- [00:16:22] <molly>
"Between a rock and hard place?"
- [00:16:55] <tantek>
rohit, I don't think anyone has any evidence for your statement.
- [00:17:01] <tantek>
re: SW having its place.
- [00:17:24] <tantek>
it's not clear that it does any better in terms of efficiency or utility than traditional relational DB, or OODB models
- [00:17:33] <rohit__>
[ps. actually, I *had* heard of ConsortiumInfo -- i cited one of its papers in my thesis]
- [00:17:41] <tantek>
which is where workgroups/enterprises are now
- [00:17:43] <rohit__>
No, I think you're taking it a step too far
- [00:17:56] <tantek>
nope
- [00:18:00] <tantek>
what works today works
- [00:18:02] <rohit__>
SW success stories in life sciences and the USG INTELINK project
- [00:18:04] <tantek>
why fix something that isn't borken?
- [00:18:08] <tantek>
or even borked?
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- [00:18:20] <KevinMarks>
dave said the magic word
- [00:18:28] <rohit__>
are good places to start, with cross-org interop that never was possible in normalized-form relational tables.
- [00:18:39] <rohit__>
I trust Eric Miller, too...
- [00:21:05] <tantek>
rohit, I've yet to see the empirical studies showing any advantage vis-a-vis well proven tech
- [00:21:10] <rohit__>
If we had enough bandwidth here to actually do any research, I'd slap you with a fish! :)
- [00:21:13] <tantek>
trust has levels ;)
- [00:23:05] <molly>
hoooo boy
- [00:24:26] <briansuda>
did anyone see the most recent post to the mailing list, what exactly is the copyright status of the Microformats Logo?
- [00:26:52] <tantek>
it's a Community Mark (cm) :)
- [00:27:43] <briansuda>
so what does that actually mean to the guy who wants to use the logo on his own site/work/book?
- [00:28:01] <rohit__>
hint: demand an EPS
- [00:28:13] <tantek>
let the community decide
- [00:28:17] <tantek>
ask on the mailing list
- [00:28:24] <rohit__>
it would be a fair trade if someone would actually generate usable, scalable PDF/SVG/ etc versions.
- [00:28:41] <rohit__>
More than a few times, I remember asking Dan and getting the "originals" as bitmaps...
- [00:28:48] <rohit__>
I wonder how they did the t-shirts, actually.
- [00:30:02] <briansuda>
rohit, i made my own vector versions, i can send them to you via email.
- [00:30:27] <Remi>
<briansuda> did anyone see the most recent post to the mailing list, what exactly is the copyright status of the Microformats Logo? --> I am the author of the email, actually :)
- [00:31:32] <Remi>
I made a vector version of the logo
- [00:32:27] <briansuda>
Tantek, we don't know the perticulars of any contracts that Microformats and Dan Cederholm might have. He might be objectional to someone making money off his icon? and what the community decides a (cm) means today might not be what they decide next week and in between people have been using it in un-intended ways
- [00:33:34] <rohit__>
http://www.nucleartoiletpaper.com/genesis/dm-intro.htm -- for Molly. Good example of the diff between why rdf is better support for a decentralized data model than a centralized rdbms. Note particularly the importance of tracking the provenance of information sources....
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- [00:33:49] <rohit__>
Erm, if there is any contract, I'd have it, and all I have is an invoice.
- [00:33:50] <tantek>
briansuda, the Microformats logo/site was work for hire
- [00:34:04] <tantek>
thus owned by the folks that organized and paid for it, who have decided to make it a community mark(cm)
- [00:34:08] <rohit__>
I think ripping off the look and feel is one thing, but the logo is within our rights to reassign as a community
- [00:34:31] <tantek>
right
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- [00:35:44] <Remi>
tantek, thanks for answering my question on the mailing list :-)
- [00:36:00] <rohit__>
remi, where did you share the vector art? there's the wiki page where I pointed to the CSS version...
- [00:36:02] <tantek>
hi Remi!
- [00:36:30] <Remi>
rohit__, I didn't released it yet
- [00:36:38] <Remi>
since I didn't know if it was ok
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[[user-interface]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=user-interface&diff=0&oldid=6838 * DrErnie * (+241) Implementations - - starting points
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Atamido is Paul Bryson, http://orangeman.commo.de/
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- [02:09:17] <Remi>
$def Remi
- [02:09:31] <Remi>
how does thing works? :/
- [02:09:35] <Remi>
* this thing
- [02:09:48] <Remi>
def Remi
- [02:09:56] <briansuda>
?def
- [02:09:57] <jibot>
Braindump available at: http://an9.org/~jibot
- [02:10:09] <Remi>
?def Remi
- [02:10:10] <jibot>
Nobody has defined Remi yet
- [02:10:15] <Remi>
thanks briansuda :)
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- [02:11:21] <Remi>
?def Remi is a web developper from Quebec who blogs about stuff, in french, at http://remiprevost.com
- [02:11:22] <jibot>
Remi is a web developper from Quebec who blogs about stuff, in french, at http://remiprevost.com
- [02:11:28] <Remi>
great.
- [02:11:45] <Remi>
?def Remi is a web developer from Quebec who blogs about stuff, in french, at http://remiprevost.com
- [02:11:45] <jibot>
Remi is a web developper from Quebec who blogs about stuff, in french, at http://remiprevost.com and a web developer from Quebec who blogs about stuff, in french, at http://remiprevost.com
- [02:11:50] <briansuda>
you can use a few other commands, like forget, to clear things out
- [02:11:57] <Remi>
?forget Remi
- [02:11:58] <jibot>
I need at least 3 words with an 'is' in the middle
- [02:12:09] <Remi>
?forget Remi is a web developer from Quebec who blogs about stuff, in french, at http://remiprevost.com
- [02:12:10] <jibot>
I now only know that Remi is a web developper from Quebec who blogs about stuff, in french, at http://remiprevost.com
- [02:12:11] <briansuda>
?info
- [02:12:18] <Remi>
?forget Remi is a web developper from Quebec who blogs about stuff, in french, at http://remiprevost.com
- [02:12:19] <jibot>
I no longer know anything about Remi
- [02:12:22] <Remi>
?def Remi is a web developer from Quebec who blogs about stuff, in french, at http://remiprevost.com
- [02:12:23] <jibot>
Remi is a web developer from Quebec who blogs about stuff, in french, at http://remiprevost.com
- [02:12:37] <Remi>
"developer" is better with a single "p"...
- [02:12:45] <briansuda>
:)
- [02:13:02] <briansuda>
just tell people "that''s the french spelling"
- [02:13:16] <Remi>
hehe :)
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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- [02:22:39] <Remi>
?forget Remi is a web developer from Quebec who blogs about stuff, in french, at http://remiprevost.com
- [02:22:40] <jibot>
I no longer know anything about Remi
- [02:23:53] <Remi>
?def is R�mi Pr�vost, is a web developper (yeah, that's how we spell "developer" in french) and blogs about web stuff at <http://remiprevost.com>
- [02:23:54] <jibot>
I need at least 3 words with an 'is' in the middle
- [02:24:04] <Remi>
?def Remi is R�mi Pr�vost, is a web developper (yeah, that's how we spell "developer" in french) and blogs about web stuff at <http://remiprevost.com>
- [02:24:05] <jibot>
Remi is R-mi Pr-vost, is a web developper (yeah, that's how we spell "developer" in french) and blogs about web stuff at <http://remiprevost.com>
- [02:24:14] <Remi>
oh, no accents support...
- [02:24:18] <Remi>
?forget Remi is R�mi Pr�vost, is a web developper (yeah, that's how we spell "developer" in french) and blogs about web stuff at <http://remiprevost.com>
- [02:24:19] <jibot>
I no longer know anything about Remi
- [02:24:22] <briansuda>
bummer
- [02:24:34] <Remi>
?def Remi is Remi Prevost, is a web developper (yeah, that's how we spell "developer" in french) and blogs about web stuff at <http://remiprevost.com>
- [02:24:35] <jibot>
Remi is Remi Prevost, is a web developper (yeah, that's how we spell "developer" in french) and blogs about web stuff at <http://remiprevost.com>
- [02:25:08] <briansuda>
it just says (incompatible encoding), maybe you are not actually sending it as UTF-8?
- [02:25:28] <briansuda>
or mayve jibot can't handle anything besides ASCII
- [02:25:37] <Remi>
I think I am, since mIRC 6.17 is *supposed* to support utf-8
- [02:25:54] * briansuda notes that Tantek is not using the Ç in his def
- [02:26:37] <Remi>
in fact, he's not using his last name at all :)
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briansuda: I see that as a question mark
- [02:42:41] <briansuda>
qid, we are not sure if it is an issue with jibot or the IRC client sending the data to the jibot. If you see Ç as a ? then that is probably your IRC client not handling UTF-8 (i'm pretty sure i am sending as UTF-8, i can see it and RÈmi PrÈvost correctly)
- [02:45:38] <qid>
it could be any one of linux, screen, irssi, or putty, unfortunately :-\
- [02:45:46] <qid>
most likely more than one of them
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[[microformats]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=microformats&diff=0&oldid=6839 * ScottReynen * (+24) microformats are -
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[[microformats]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=microformats&diff=0&oldid=6840 * ScottReynen * (+1) microformats are -
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[[microformats]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=microformats&diff=0&oldid=6841 * ScottReynen * (+47) microformats are not -
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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[[faq]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=faq&diff=0&oldid=6842 * ScottReynen * (+600) Basic Microformat Questions -
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PhilipAshlock is in Bellingham WA and can be found online at http://www.philaestheta.com/
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are any of you in attendance at Supernova?
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[[user-interface-fr]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=user-interface-fr&diff=0&oldid=6843 * ChristopheDucamp * (+70) Intégration Navigateur - synchro (add microformats-in-flock)
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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[[user-interface-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=user-interface-fr&diff=0&oldid=6844 * ChristopheDucamp * (+1) typo
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[[user-interface-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=user-interface-fr&diff=0&oldid=6845 * ChristopheDucamp * (+1) Intégration Navigateur - typo
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[[faq]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=faq&diff=0&oldid=6846 * Tantek * (+8)
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[[faq-fr]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=faq-fr&diff=0&oldid=6847 * ChristopheDucamp * (+771) Ajout "Qui contrôle les microformats ?"
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[[faq-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=faq-fr&diff=0&oldid=6848 * ChristopheDucamp * (-1) Microformats FAQ - typo
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[[press-faq-fr]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/press-faq-fr * ChristopheDucamp * (+826) press-faq - french translation
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[[faq-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=faq-fr&diff=0&oldid=6849 * ChristopheDucamp * (-40)
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[[faq-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=faq-fr&diff=0&oldid=6850 * ChristopheDucamp * (+22) Questions Basiques sur les MicrorFormats - typo
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[[zen-garden-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=zen-garden-fr&diff=0&oldid=6851 * ChristopheDucamp * (+3) Questions ouvertes - typo
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tantek: is there a convention for XFN nested in an hcard? eg <a class="url fn" rel="met" href="http://tantek.com/">Tantek �elik</a>
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Philip, see /wiki/hcard-examples
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right, thanks. Sometimes i wonder why i have trouble finding stuff like that in the wiki, is there any reason why there shouldn't be xfn information at /wiki/hcard/ ?
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you can always try the search function
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yeah, sometimes i get a bit frustrated with how mediawiki search works. "xfn" brings up nothing, but "hcard xfn" gives me exactly what i was looking for.
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tantek: there seems to be a few experimental XFN relationship spidering and indexing services (eg http://xfnroll.new-bamboo.co.uk/people/ and http://www.rubhub.com/), but do you know of any that do this with consideration to xfn within hcard?
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[[hatom-fr]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/hatom-fr * ChristopheDucamp * (+16564) hatom - translation in progress
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philip not AFAIK
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well I have no plans to work on developing a "Friendorati" but I am thinking about what a friendorati API might provide
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[[hatom-fr]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hatom-fr&diff=0&oldid=6852 * ChristopheDucamp * (+420) hatom french translation - work in progress
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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[[hcard-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-fr&diff=0&oldid=6853 * ChristopheDucamp * (-179) typo
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[[to-do-fr]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=to-do-fr&diff=0&oldid=6854 * ChristopheDucamp * (+2354) Traductions - beginning to structure some pages to be translated and/or reviewed
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[[to-do-fr]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=to-do-fr&diff=0&oldid=6855 * ChristopheDucamp * (+806) Add "Organisation Communauté Francophone"
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[[to-do-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=to-do-fr&diff=0&oldid=6856 * ChristopheDucamp * (-1) Gabarits : - typo
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[[to-do-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=to-do-fr&diff=0&oldid=6857 * ChristopheDucamp * (-1) Rencontres : = - typo
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[[rel-license-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rel-license-fr&diff=0&oldid=6858 * ChristopheDucamp * (+21) typo
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[[to-do-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=to-do-fr&diff=0&oldid=6859 * ChristopheDucamp * (+62) ajout rellicense-issues à traduire
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[[zen-garden]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=zen-garden&diff=0&oldid=6861 * Phae * (+242) Open questions - - Adding further feedback on contents
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[[zen-garden]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=zen-garden&diff=0&oldid=6862 * Phae * (+39) Open questions -
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[[zen-garden]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=zen-garden&diff=0&oldid=6863 * Phae * (+36) Open questions -
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[[hcalendar]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar&diff=0&oldid=6864 * TomArmitage * (+700) Moving hCalendar examples in the wild that place dtstart/dtend on elements other than abbr into "implementations with some issues"
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ryanlowe is Ryan Lowe, http://www.fanconcert.com
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[[implementations]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=implementations&diff=0&oldid=6865 * TomArmitage * (+466) Adding the efforts of the Nature Publishing Group to this page.
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gsnedders is a 14 year old idiot from Scotland and pretends to have a website at http://geoffers.uni.cc/
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gsnedders is a 14 year old idiot from Scotland and pretends to have a website at http://geoffers.uni.cc/
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Remi is Remi Prevost, is a web developper (yeah, that's how we spell "developer" in french) and blogs about web stuff at <http://remiprevost.com>
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?def forget is Remi Prevost, is a web developper (yeah, that's how we spell "developer" in french) and blogs about web stuff at <http://remiprevost.com>
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forget is Remi Prevost, is a web developper (yeah, that's how we spell "developer" in french) and blogs about web stuff at <http://remiprevost.com>
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?def forget forget is Remi Prevost, is a web developper (yeah, that's how we spell "developer" in french) and blogs about web stuff at <http://remiprevost.com>
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forget forget is Remi Prevost, is a web developper (yeah, that's how we spell "developer" in french) and blogs about web stuff at <http://remiprevost.com>
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?forget forget is Remi Prevost, is a web developper (yeah, that's how we spell "developer" in french) and blogs about web stuff at <http://remiprevost.com>
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I no longer know anything about forget
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?forget Remi is Remi Prevost, is a web developper (yeah, that's how we spell "developer" in french) and blogs about web stuff at <http://remiprevost.com>
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I no longer know anything about Remi
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?def Remi is Remi Prevost, is a web developper (yeah, that's how we spell "developer" in french) from Quebec and blogs about web stuff at <http://remiprevost.com/>
- [11:48:05] <jibot>
Remi is Remi Prevost, is a web developper (yeah, that's how we spell "developer" in french) from Quebec and blogs about web stuff at <http://remiprevost.com/>
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pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
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dglazkov is Dimitri Glazkov (http://glazkov.com) and lives in Birmingham, AL, USA (-6:00 GMT)
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http://glazkov.com/archive/2006/06/23/MicforormatsYayorNay.aspx
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RobertBachmann is Robert Bachmann <http://rbach.priv.at/> and lives in Austria (Timezone: UTC 02)
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hello
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gsnedders is a 14 year old idiot from Scotland and pretends to have a website at http://geoffers.uni.cc/
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- [15:37:28] <dc__>
yo
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- [15:39:20] <jibot>
cgriego is Chris Griego (-06:00)
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Enric is a media Software Developer and Videoblogger located at http://www.cirne.com
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briansuda is brian suda of http://suda.co.uk/ and http://claimid.com/briansuda in his freetime he works on the X2V microformats parser (-0600 CST)
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yo briansuda, damien here.
- [15:56:06] <briansuda>
hello
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how's all?
- [15:56:49] <briansuda>
doing well, keeping busy
- [15:57:39] <dc__>
good good. just realised there's a great ruby microformats passer, doh.
- [15:57:46] <dc__>
need to get to work implementing that.
- [15:59:31] <briansuda>
you should run the ruby parser against our tests to see how it does. It was released awhile ago, you should make sure it is up-to-date
- [15:59:46] <dc__>
ah ok. will do. thanks.
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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[[zen-garden]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=zen-garden&diff=0&oldid=6867 * Phae * (+38) Open questions -
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PhilipAshlock is in Bellingham WA and can be found online at http://www.philaestheta.com/
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- [17:25:49] <PhilipAshlock>
tantek or chris - is it too late to sign-up for bar camp? i see a notice about 24hrs advance
- [17:26:15] <PhilipAshlock>
oh, it's full anyway
- [17:27:17] <factoryjoe>
well
- [17:27:25] <factoryjoe>
you should try to add yourself anyway i guess
- [17:27:29] <factoryjoe>
we cap at 250 people
- [17:27:36] <factoryjoe>
but that's people who are there
- [17:28:59] <PhilipAshlock>
cool, thanks. I added myself to the new sort of overflow list
- [17:32:13] <bewest>
are people really bringing sleeping bags?
- [17:32:32] <factoryjoe>
yes
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i'm bringing a tent
- [17:32:49] <bewest>
a tent?
- [17:32:49] <bewest>
heh
- [17:32:50] <dglazkov>
what?
- [17:33:13] <bewest>
everyone's expected to present something?
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- [17:33:56] <factoryjoe>
bewest: or help someone else present or get their preso to the wiki
- [17:34:03] <factoryjoe>
no one just watches
- [17:34:50] <bewest>
hmmm everyone there would already be familiar with how ajax works?
- [17:36:06] <factoryjoe>
not necessarily
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but if you come tonight
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you can find folks w/ similar interests
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and then do a co-presentation tomorrow
- [17:37:08] <bewest>
oh
- [17:37:09] <bewest>
yeah
- [17:37:28] <bewest>
are people sleeping there tonight or just tomorrow night?
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- [17:42:56] <factoryjoe>
both
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- [18:41:31] <jibot>
tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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- [18:43:40] <davecardwell>
where in the wiki is the description of how to reference an fn that is elsewhere in the page for a hcard
- [18:43:48] <davecardwell>
I think it used an <object>
- [18:45:42] <tantek>
include-pattern
- [18:46:32] <davecardwell>
thank you
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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[[Main Page]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=6868 * Her Vam * (+2047)
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[[Main Page]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=6869 * Tantek * (-2047) Reverted edit of Her Vam, changed back to last version by Tantek
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[[Special:Log/block]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Special:Log/block&diff=0&oldid=0 * Tantek * (+0) blocked "User:Her Vam" with an expiry time of infinite: spam
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[[presentations]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=presentations&diff=0&oldid=6870 * Tantek * (+70)
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[[current events]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=current_events&diff=0&oldid=6871 * Tantek * (-273)
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kingryan is ryan king
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The hResume plugin for WordPress should be ready on Monday. We will ping the group when you can download it. We want you guys to play with it before releasing it broadly to the WP community.
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PhilipAshlock is in Bellingham WA and can be found online at http://www.philaestheta.com/
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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