IRC Log for #microformats on 2006-06-22

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  3. [00:07:24] <jibot> briansuda is brian suda of http://suda.co.uk/ and http://claimid.com/briansuda in his freetime he works on the X2V microformats parser (-0600 CST)
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  8. [00:49:32] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
  9. [00:49:53] <KevinMarks> hi T
  10. [00:49:58] <KevinMarks> how'd it go today?
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  24. [02:29:40] <jibot> cgriego is Chris Griego (-06:00)
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  27. [02:35:15] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  29. [02:40:07] * briansuda just pushed Tests and X2V to Hg, be sure to pull and update
  30. [02:41:26] <jibot> Hwin is horseygurl, trying to go undercover.
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  40. [04:59:09] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  44. [05:06:20] <jibot> PhilipAshlock is in Bellingham WA and can be found online at http://www.philaestheta.com/
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  46. [05:27:28] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  55. [06:32:19] <jibot> Charl is Charl van Niekerk and writes about standards at http://standards.za.net/
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  61. [07:49:59] <mfbot> [[zen-garden]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=zen-garden&diff=0&oldid=6787 * Phae * (+637) Open questions -
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  63. [07:52:21] <jibot> trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and runs www.csslounge.co.uk
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  66. [08:45:14] <jibot> ryanlowe is Ryan Lowe, http://www.fanconcert.com
  67. [08:51:47] <mfbot> [[Main Page-fr]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page-fr&diff=0&oldid=6788 * ChristopheDucamp * (+39) Spécifications - add -fr
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  69. [08:57:48] <mfbot> [[Main Page-fr]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page-fr&diff=0&oldid=6789 * ChristopheDucamp * (+1310) Discussions Exploratoires - synchro with Main_Page
  70. [08:58:49] <mfbot> [[Main Page-fr]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page-fr&diff=0&oldid=6790 * ChristopheDucamp * (-1) Discussions Exploratoires - typo
  71. [09:00:10] <mfbot> [[Main Page-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page-fr&diff=0&oldid=6791 * ChristopheDucamp * (+9) Discussions Exploratoires -
  72. [09:07:12] <mfbot> [[rel-tag-fr]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rel-tag-fr&diff=0&oldid=6792 * ChristopheDucamp * (+15) Références "Informative" - add -fr
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  76. [09:21:03] <mfbot> [[hreview-fr]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/hreview-fr * ChristopheDucamp * (+44305) ''Ceci est une traduction en cours de [[hreview]] seul lien de référence''
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  78. [09:21:32] <jibot> gsnedders is a 14 year old idiot from Scotland and pretends to have a website at http://geoffers.uni.cc/
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  81. [09:25:09] <mfbot> [[to-do-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=to-do-fr&diff=0&oldid=6793 * ChristopheDucamp * (+43) Traductions - add hreview-fr to be translated
  82. [09:26:15] <mfbot> [[to-do-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=to-do-fr&diff=0&oldid=6794 * ChristopheDucamp * (+28) Traductions -
  83. [09:26:56] <mfbot> [[rel-tag-feedback-fr]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/rel-tag-feedback-fr * ChristopheDucamp * (+1230) rel-tag-feedback translation
  84. [09:28:37] <mfbot> [[rel-tag-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rel-tag-fr&diff=0&oldid=6795 * ChristopheDucamp * (+6) Références "Informative" -
  85. [09:29:03] <mfbot> [[rel-tag-fr]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rel-tag-fr&diff=0&oldid=6796 * ChristopheDucamp * (+6) Discussions - add -fr
  86. [09:33:19] <mfbot> [[rel-tag-faq-fr]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/rel-tag-faq-fr * ChristopheDucamp * (+5963) rel-tag-faq à relire
  87. [09:34:11] <mfbot> [[rel-tag-faq-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rel-tag-faq-fr&diff=0&oldid=6797 * ChristopheDucamp * (+1) les questions fréqumment posées sur rel-tag -
  88. [09:35:02] <mfbot> [[rel-tag-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rel-tag-fr&diff=0&oldid=6798 * ChristopheDucamp * (+3) Q&R - rel-faq-fr
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  90. [09:35:58] <mfbot> [[rel-tag-fr]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rel-tag-fr&diff=0&oldid=6799 * ChristopheDucamp * (+9) problématiques
  91. [09:37:09] <mfbot> [[rel-tag-issues-fr]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/rel-tag-issues-fr * ChristopheDucamp * (+7849) french translation of rel-tag-issues
  92. [09:39:20] <mfbot> [[hreview-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hreview-fr&diff=0&oldid=6800 * ChristopheDucamp * (+28) Schéma -
  93. [09:40:56] <mfbot> [[hreview-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hreview-fr&diff=0&oldid=6801 * ChristopheDucamp * (+5) Détails des Champs -
  94. [09:41:52] <mfbot> [[hreview-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hreview-fr&diff=0&oldid=6802 * ChristopheDucamp * (+9) Changes from v0.2 -
  95. [09:43:53] <mfbot> [[review-formats-fr]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/review-formats-fr * ChristopheDucamp * (+3510) translation of review-formats
  96. [09:44:59] <mfbot> [[microformat-fr]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/microformat-fr * ChristopheDucamp * (+29) #REDIRECT [[microformats-fr]]
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  98. [09:48:00] <mfbot> [[to-do-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=to-do-fr&diff=0&oldid=6803 * ChristopheDucamp * (+74) Traductions - updating
  99. [09:52:01] <mfbot> [[to-do-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=to-do-fr&diff=0&oldid=6804 * ChristopheDucamp * (+388) Traductions -
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  107. [12:32:58] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  117. [13:11:03] <mfbot> [[Template:semantic-xhtml-design-principles-fr]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Template:semantic-xhtml-design-principles-fr * ChristopheDucamp * (+2581) Template:semantic-xhtml-design-principles
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  120. [13:13:10] <mfbot> [[hreview-fr]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hreview-fr&diff=0&oldid=6806 * ChristopheDucamp * (+3) Principes De Design XHTML Sémantique - {{semantic-xhtml-design-principles-fr}}
  121. [13:16:27] <mfbot> [[xoxo-fr]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/xoxo-fr * ChristopheDucamp * (+17198)
  122. [13:17:03] <mfbot> [[Christophe Ducamp]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/Christophe_Ducamp * ChristopheDucamp * (+31)
  123. [13:17:24] <mfbot> [[Christophe Ducamp]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Christophe_Ducamp&diff=0&oldid=6807 * ChristopheDucamp * (-1)
  124. [13:17:35] <mfbot> [[Christophe Ducamp]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Christophe_Ducamp&diff=0&oldid=6808 * ChristopheDucamp * (+5)
  125. [13:20:06] <mfbot> [[XOXO-fr]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=XOXO-fr&diff=0&oldid=6809 * ChristopheDucamp * (-17136) DeletedPage voir [[xoxo-fr]]
  126. [13:21:32] <mfbot> [[to-do-fr]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=to-do-fr&diff=0&oldid=6810 * ChristopheDucamp * (+114) Traductions - add [[Template:semantic-xhtml-design-principles-fr]]
  127. [13:24:18] <mfbot> [[Template:MicroFormatCopyrightStatement2004-fr]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Template:MicroFormatCopyrightStatement2004-fr * ChristopheDucamp * (+103) Template:MicroFormatCopyrightStatement2004
  128. [13:24:44] <mfbot> [[Template:MicroFormatCopyrightStatement2004-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Template:MicroFormatCopyrightStatement2004-fr&diff=0&oldid=6811 * ChristopheDucamp * (+0) typo
  129. [13:29:55] <mfbot> [[Template:MicroFormatCopyrightStatement-fr]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Template:MicroFormatCopyrightStatement-fr * ChristopheDucamp * (+601) translation of Template:MicroFormatCopyrightStatement
  130. [13:30:36] <mfbot> [[rel-tag-fr]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rel-tag-fr&diff=0&oldid=6812 * ChristopheDucamp * (+3) Copyright - {{MicroFormatCopyrightStatement2004-fr}}
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  133. [13:37:39] <mfbot> [[xoxo-fr]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=xoxo-fr&diff=0&oldid=6813 * ChristopheDucamp * (-15) typo
  134. [13:46:25] <mfbot> [[hcalendar-fr]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar-fr&diff=0&oldid=6814 * ChristopheDucamp * (-148) minor editions
  135. [13:59:03] <DanC> bummer... the yahoo local stuff isn't XHTML
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  137. [14:00:22] <jibot> pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
  138. [14:02:54] <DanC> ugh... and tidy gives up on it
  139. [14:04:48] <DanC> xsltproc groks, with --html. go DV!
  140. [14:05:26] <DanC> hmm... no lat/long in the resulting vcard...
  141. [14:09:46] <DanC> x2v doesn't find any calendar stuff in an event listing...
  142. [14:10:16] <mfbot> [[press]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=press&diff=0&oldid=6815 * MT * (+158)
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  144. [14:14:53] <jibot> briansuda is brian suda of http://suda.co.uk/ and http://claimid.com/briansuda in his freetime he works on the X2V microformats parser (-0600 CST)
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  146. [14:19:07] <mfbot> [[hcalendar-faq-fr]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/hcalendar-faq-fr * ChristopheDucamp * (+9373) hcalendar-faq : french translation to be achieved
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  149. [14:28:03] <jibot> dglazkov is Dimitri Glazkov (http://glazkov.com) and lives in Birmingham, AL, USA (-6:00 GMT)
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  153. [14:38:14] <mfbot> [[hcalendar-faq-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar-faq-fr&diff=0&oldid=6816 * ChristopheDucamp * (+638) Q&R - translation hCalendar-faq to be reviewed
  154. [14:40:15] <mfbot> [[to-do-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=to-do-fr&diff=0&oldid=6817 * ChristopheDucamp * (+40) Traductions -
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  156. [14:42:25] <tantek> DanC, it is pretty clear that people are using the "Tails" Firefox extension to "test" their microformats
  157. [14:42:36] <tantek> I believe that extension is open source
  158. [14:43:00] <tantek> it might be a very good idea to work on it a bit to run it through the test suite, and document (or even *fix*) problems with it
  159. [14:43:29] <tantek> e.g. I believe it uses the "title" attribute on <span> if present, which is not defined to be valid per hcard-parsing
  160. [14:43:43] * briansuda agrees, Tails hasn't been updated in a long time
  161. [14:44:36] <mfbot> [[icalendar-implementations-fr]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/icalendar-implementations-fr * ChristopheDucamp * (+869) icalendar-implementations
  162. [14:49:35] <DanC> hmm
  163. [14:50:07] <mfbot> [[Main Page]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=6818 * Tantek * (+21) added user-interface
  164. [14:52:27] * DanC can't figure out how to edit just the implementation section of http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard
  165. [14:53:37] <DanC> it's never clear to me whether the [edit] link applies to the section above or below
  166. [14:54:58] <KevinMarks> below
  167. [14:56:19] <mfbot> [[user-interface]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/user-interface * Tantek * (+826) first draft, collecting recent examples
  168. [14:56:40] <mfbot> [[hcard]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=6819 * DanC * (+43) update Tails link
  169. [14:57:27] <DanC> hmm... "not available for Linux". And I don't see source.
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  171. [14:58:04] <DanC> "Tuesday, April 04, 2006
  172. [14:58:04] <DanC> Tails Export version 0.3.x "
  173. [14:58:13] <DanC> that looks fairly recent to me, briansuda
  174. [14:58:56] * briansuda stands corrected
  175. [14:59:10] <DanC> hmm... maybe that's just thoughts on 0.3, not a release
  176. [14:59:16] <mfbot> [[user-interface]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=user-interface&diff=0&oldid=6820 * Tantek * (+109)
  177. [14:59:31] <DanC> but this guy Robert de Bruin is clearly still thinking about it
  178. [14:59:42] * DanC sitll doesn't see source code
  179. [15:00:17] <briansuda> if it is just a greasemonkey script shouldn't is just be in your scripts folder for firefox?
  180. [15:00:50] <DanC> Tails is a greasemonkey script? doesn't look like it to me.
  181. [15:01:04] <DanC> I'm looking at https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/2240/
  182. [15:01:04] <Zeo> DanC: https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/2240/ is Tails Export not Tails
  183. [15:01:14] <DanC> oops
  184. [15:01:51] <DanC> wierd... at http://blog.codeeg.com/tails-firefox-extension/ I saw "The Tails extension hosted on this site is no longer in active development. You can get an extended version of the plugin here."
  185. [15:02:10] <Zeo> Different author
  186. [15:02:36] <DanC> yes, but the original author says the new author's stuff is "an extended version"
  187. [15:02:41] * DanC is late for a meeting. sigh.
  188. [15:03:29] * DanC hunts for a revert button
  189. [15:05:47] <mfbot> [[hcard]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=6821 * DanC * (+38) revert Tails link, but note extended version
  190. [15:06:06] <DanC> tantek, I can't find the source
  191. [15:08:03] <mfbot> [[hcalendar-examples-fr]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/hcalendar-examples-fr * ChristopheDucamp * (+25203) hcalendar-examples : french draft translation
  192. [15:08:24] <mfbot> [[hcalendar-examples-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar-examples-fr&diff=0&oldid=6822 * ChristopheDucamp * (-1) exemples de hCalendar -
  193. [15:08:50] <mfbot> [[hcalendar-examples-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar-examples-fr&diff=0&oldid=6823 * ChristopheDucamp * (+2)
  194. [15:09:00] <tantek> DanC, the [edit] link depends on whether you have inserted any headings *manually* (with explicity <h1> etc. markup)
  195. [15:09:30] * pnhBusy can't wait to have some more free time in which to explore all this UI stuff
  196. [15:09:47] <tantek> me too Chris
  197. [15:10:17] <tantek> But I figure at least I can help document where all this UI stuff is so that when I do have some time, I can easily go through them.
  198. [15:10:27] <pnhBusy> aye
  199. [15:10:59] * DanC is quite concerned about feedback loops... users learn from code/tools, so we gotta keep the code in sync
  200. [15:12:51] <mfbot> [[hcalendar-tests-fr]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/hcalendar-tests-fr * ChristopheDucamp * (+798)
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  202. [15:18:04] <Zeo> I can't access http://www.trinityanne.com/tools/extract/
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  205. [15:26:33] <mfbot> [[irc-fr]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/irc-fr * ChristopheDucamp * (+3435) currently searching my time zone : 17:26 currently in France...
  206. [15:28:41] <xtof> ??def xtof is Christophe Ducamp you could find me on http://www.communitywiki.org/odd/Xtof/HomePage
  207. [15:34:14] <mfbot> [[press-fr]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=press-fr&diff=0&oldid=6824 * ChristopheDucamp * (+158) 2006 - add Mercurtytide
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  209. [15:34:17] <jibot> pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
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  212. [15:39:30] <mfbot> [[books-fr]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/books-fr * ChristopheDucamp * (+1367) translation of books
  213. [15:51:21] <mfbot> [[user-interface-fr]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/user-interface-fr * ChristopheDucamp * (+1060) user-interface
  214. [15:53:38] <tantek> xtof, amazing progress you are making with the French translations
  215. [15:53:47] <tantek> user-iterface was just created minutes ago!
  216. [15:53:52] <tantek> user-interface even
  217. [15:54:08] <tantek> ?def xtof
  218. [15:54:08] <jibot> Nobody has defined xtof yet
  219. [15:54:17] <tantek> ?def xtof is Christophe Ducamp you could find me on http://www.communitywiki.org/odd/Xtof/HomePage
  220. [15:54:17] <jibot> xtof is Christophe Ducamp you could find me on http://www.communitywiki.org/odd/Xtof/HomePage
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  224. [15:57:30] <jibot> pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
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  228. [16:16:08] <jibot> cgriego is Chris Griego (-06:00)
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  235. [17:09:20] <mfbot> [[zen-garden]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=zen-garden&diff=0&oldid=6825 * RobertBachmann * (+166) Open questions - Project name
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  237. [17:09:52] <jibot> RobertBachmann is Robert Bachmann <http://rbach.priv.at/> and lives in Austria (Timezone: UTC 02)
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  256. [18:44:34] <mfbot> [[hcard]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=6826 * Mike Swimm * (+93) New Examples -
  257. [18:47:27] * gsnedders wants a "colour" property in CSS3
  258. [18:48:50] <kingryan> little too late for that
  259. [18:50:53] <gsnedders> I know…
  260. [18:51:10] <dglazkov> http://interllectual.com/coffee/microformats-at-the-university
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  262. [19:01:30] <mfbot> [[faq]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=faq&diff=0&oldid=6827 * Tantek * (+432) added FAQ re: discuss list
  263. [19:02:17] <mfbot> [[hcalendar]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar&diff=0&oldid=6828 * Tim * (+83) Examples in the wild -
  264. [19:03:38] <mfbot> [[hcard]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=6829 * Tim * (+86) Examples in the wild -
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  276. [19:38:41] <mfbot> [[hcard]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=6831 * 2098123098120398 * (+96) Examples in the wild -
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  279. [20:02:09] <RobertBachmann> wow what a stupid username "2098123098120398"!
  280. [20:04:32] <mfbot> [[hcalendar-brainstorming-fr]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/hcalendar-brainstorming-fr * ChristopheDucamp * (+37140) translation hcalendar-brainstorming / currently beginning the discovery
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  283. [20:07:17] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  292. [21:03:01] <jibot> pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
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  295. [21:05:55] <mfbot> [[hcard]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=6832 * Rumble * (+112)
  296. [21:10:11] <tantek> wow, just noticed that user 2098123098120398 actually made a legit edit to the wiki:
  297. [21:10:15] <tantek> http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&curid=1002&diff=6832&oldid=6831&rcid=8552
  298. [21:10:28] <tantek> the first all numerical username to do so (all others have been spammers)
  299. [21:10:41] * tantek wonders who would choose a number that long as their username.
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  302. [21:22:41] * briansuda things spammers are lulling tantek into a false sense of security
  303. [21:23:04] <tantek> it's also longer than any of the spam number user logins
  304. [21:23:30] <briansuda> i was looking to see if it might be a phone number or SSN or something, but it is too many digits to make much sense to me
  305. [21:24:06] <pnhChris> maybe someone was just really frustrated with trying their normal (non-wikiword) username :P
  306. [21:25:07] <briansuda> you still have to remember your username!
  307. [21:25:39] <tantek> perhaps they are relying upon the login cookie
  308. [21:26:04] <briansuda> or finding a page they already editted to fetch their username
  309. [21:30:28] <mfbot> [[hcard]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=6833 * Jay Goldman * (+132) Examples in the wild -
  310. [21:31:03] <tantek> lots of hCard examples in the wild being added today by new people.
  311. [21:33:49] <ryanlowe> it's almost a repeating sequence
  312. [21:34:12] <ryanlowe> 2 098 123 098 123 098
  313. [21:34:21] <ryanlowe> except the last 3 and 0 are inverted
  314. [21:34:54] <kingryan> maybe they were just pounding on the keyboard- frustrated by the WikiNameRequirement
  315. [21:35:32] <cgriego> WikiNameRequirementSucks
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  319. [21:38:59] <jibot> PhilipAshlock is in Bellingham WA and can be found online at http://www.philaestheta.com/
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  334. [22:30:05] <mfbot> [[zen-garden-fr]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/zen-garden-fr * ChristopheDucamp * (+6186)
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  337. [22:37:17] <mfbot> [[hcalendar-example1-steps-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar-example1-steps-fr&diff=0&oldid=6834 * ChristopheDucamp * (-2) hCalendar : Démaches Exemple 1 -
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  342. [22:50:24] <mfbot> [[hcalendar-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar-fr&diff=0&oldid=6836 * ChristopheDucamp * (+5) Browsing -
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  346. [23:15:46] <mfbot> [[user-interface]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=user-interface&diff=0&oldid=6837 * Membranophonist * (+70) Browser Integration -
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  350. [23:25:10] <molly> hi all, molly here - looking around for the kindness of someone who might have a few minutes to look over an article for me before it publishes. Topic compares Semantic Web and Microformats and introduces Microformats to the broat IT community
  351. [23:25:25] <molly> *broad
  352. [23:26:21] <dantekgeek> sure
  353. [23:29:47] <mfbot> [[hcalendar-issues-fr]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/hcalendar-issues-fr * ChristopheDucamp * (+17277) draft translation : hcalendar-issues
  354. [23:30:09] <molly> gonna toss it up on a URL, thx
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  356. [23:31:22] <jibot> briansuda is brian suda of http://suda.co.uk/ and http://claimid.com/briansuda in his freetime he works on the X2V microformats parser (-0600 CST)
  357. [23:32:54] <molly> hey brian
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  361. [23:37:54] <kingryan> hi molly
  362. [23:39:58] <molly> hey Ryan
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  364. [23:40:28] <molly> Okay, here's that article, forgive the formatting, it's going to a publisher in Word, but here it is open for anyone's comments . . . I'd appreciate your thoughts http://www.molly.com/597/
  365. [23:41:40] <molly> this isn't for general distribution btw, just for feedback before it publishes
  366. [23:41:46] * briansuda is reading now
  367. [23:41:52] <molly> I thought I'd ask for some help from the community, thanks so much
  368. [23:42:01] * briansuda is reading (the article) now
  369. [23:42:31] * kingryan is reading
  370. [23:46:15] * tantek (n=tantek@66-7-230-34.cust.telepacific.net) has joined #microformats
  371. [23:46:16] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
  372. [23:46:44] * KevinMarks is reading adn listenign to sifry talk at supernova
  373. [23:46:48] * ChanServ sets mode +o tantek
  374. [23:46:56] <molly> Sifry's talking?
  375. [23:46:58] <molly> awesome
  376. [23:47:10] <tantek> molly, see #supernova
  377. [23:47:17] <molly> hey thanks Tantek!
  378. [23:47:30] <tantek> hey Molly :)
  379. [23:47:35] <molly> :)
  380. [23:47:43] <KevinMarks> molly, do you want proofing or fact-checking?
  381. [23:47:45] <kingryan> tantek, we're reading http://www.molly.com/597/ for molly
  382. [23:47:52] <KevinMarks> and hi, btw
  383. [23:48:05] <molly> facts only
  384. [23:48:21] <molly> the markup / formatting is totally the concern of the publisher right now
  385. [23:48:32] <molly> I just want facts, and any suggestions for clarifications, that sort of thing
  386. [23:48:42] <molly> thank you very very very much
  387. [23:48:48] <kingryan> one thing...
  388. [23:48:53] <kingryan> this: "The term “semantic” in this case refers to meaning that is data-centric."
  389. [23:49:07] <kingryan> could easily be tied to the "computers first" philosophy of the SW
  390. [23:49:20] <molly> that note has been bugging me ryan
  391. [23:49:28] <kingryan> you kinda hint on that connection, but its not quite there
  392. [23:49:28] <molly> that's it, it's unclear how it relates
  393. [23:49:31] <molly> yeah
  394. [23:49:40] <molly> that's exactly right, thanks
  395. [23:50:06] <kingryan> a difference between SW and sw is that SW semantics are machine only, while sw combines machine and human semantics
  396. [23:50:40] <molly> it's a subtle difference, isn't it, when trying to explain it to a broader audience?
  397. [23:50:55] <molly> the questions I get are well, what's the difference, really, and why does it matter?
  398. [23:51:05] <kingryan> its subtle to anyone who doesn't have a CS degree, I think
  399. [23:51:29] * xtof (n=christop@ATuileries-152-1-13-20.w82-123.abo.wanadoo.fr) Quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
  400. [23:51:47] <kingryan> (maybe not *everyone*, but its is a rather theoretical CS thing)
  401. [23:51:50] <molly> I think that was what I was reaching for
  402. [23:51:53] <molly> and didn't quite get
  403. [23:51:56] * rohit__ (n=rohit@64-60-251-193.cust.telepacific.net) has joined #microformats
  404. [23:52:07] <molly> what is human, what is machine and what that difference is
  405. [23:52:10] <molly> and why it's important
  406. [23:52:12] * dantekgeek (n=dan_luri@209.213.206.38) Quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
  407. [23:52:13] <molly> if that makes sense
  408. [23:52:13] <KevinMarks> FOAF is not that common in blogs either...
  409. [23:52:17] * briansuda still reading, but have a few points
  410. [23:52:36] <molly> Hi Rohit!
  411. [23:52:39] <tantek> whoa threads
  412. [23:52:46] <rohit__> Hi! we missed you in Scotland!!!
  413. [23:52:51] <molly> I missed you too
  414. [23:53:08] <rohit__> Rest assured we drank for ya!.... esp since I'm gonna be in your backyard soon, Jersey girl :)
  415. [23:53:16] <molly> but I have gotten rave reviews about Brian and Ryan here :)
  416. [23:53:26] <molly> which backyard, New Jersey or Arizona?
  417. [23:53:31] <rohit__> rave indeed :)
  418. [23:53:40] <rohit__> NJ -- moving to manhattan in the fall (!)
  419. [23:53:44] <molly> NO way, wow
  420. [23:53:49] <KevinMarks> your markup quotes have gone smart on you, molly
  421. [23:53:57] <molly> Don't look at that page
  422. [23:54:00] <molly> it is temporary and false
  423. [23:54:06] <molly> i just need text input
  424. [23:54:06] <rohit__> following the wife's career...
  425. [23:54:11] <molly> hey good for you Rohit
  426. [23:54:18] <molly> New Jersey is actually a great place
  427. [23:54:24] <tantek> I don't know about that first note Molly
  428. [23:54:25] <rohit__> Isn't that a prince song -- "I want your text!"
  429. [23:54:27] <briansuda> in the first paragraph you mention " the W3C approach has been challenged by the concept of Microformats, which achieve the same goal, " Microformats are not trying to "boil the ocean" and solve every problem. RDF in many ways is. In obscure things like Genomix Databases, we can't compete - we don't want too
  430. [23:54:29] <tantek> same criticisims as Ryan
  431. [23:54:32] <molly> Yeah Tantek
  432. [23:54:35] <molly> I don't like it either
  433. [23:54:38] <molly> I'm gonna pull it
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  435. [23:54:53] <kingryan> talking about "semantics" is tough
  436. [23:55:02] <molly> Brian, I think that's a good point but I raise it too late
  437. [23:55:06] <kingryan> there's no way around that
  438. [23:55:18] <molly> The intro to this piece has to be stronger is what I think it boils down to
  439. [23:55:25] <tantek> Molly, who is the audience for this?
  440. [23:55:30] <molly> General IT guys
  441. [23:55:38] <molly> people doing sysadmin, dabbling in web
  442. [23:55:42] <molly> looking for better solutions
  443. [23:55:45] <tantek> One of the big problems with all the alphabet soup is that most people, even most tech people can't be bothered with that many acronyms etc.
  444. [23:55:47] <rohit__> IT gals?
  445. [23:55:54] <rohit__> ok, snooping on the url
  446. [23:55:54] <molly> but not necessarily into standards, etc.
  447. [23:56:04] <tantek> They're fine with just (X)HTML+CSS+RSS+HTTP etc.
  448. [23:56:09] <kingryan> "Web girl for the IT guy" ?
  449. [23:56:21] <molly> Actually, some readers are just finding out about XHTML and CSS
  450. [23:56:30] <molly> this is my challenge, always has been
  451. [23:56:35] <tantek> Molly, that's my point
  452. [23:56:35] <molly> the masses are interested, how to explain?
  453. [23:56:36] <rohit__> "are considered by many to be" is considered by many to be passive and, in certain cases, convoluted :)
  454. [23:56:45] <tantek> discussing RDF, OWL, etc. for that crowd is a totally snoozer
  455. [23:57:08] <molly> I'm not sure that's true
  456. [23:57:17] <molly> trust my instincts on audience Tantek
  457. [23:57:19] <molly> I'm okay on that side
  458. [23:57:25] <molly> I just need tech advice
  459. [23:57:39] <tantek> I would skip all the SW alphabet soup. Go back to Tim's original highlevel description of Semantic Web as he wrote in his book.
  460. [23:57:51] <molly> well, I tried to get the most recent
  461. [23:57:56] <rohit__> "encouraging the Web" -> W3Cspeek filter -> "leading the Web [to its full potential]"
  462. [23:57:56] <molly> which isn't what's in his book
  463. [23:58:11] <tantek> that's my point
  464. [23:58:16] <tantek> the stuff in the book is a much better intro
  465. [23:58:28] <molly> ok
  466. [23:58:41] <molly> i have it here
  467. [23:58:47] <molly> not sure I can do a massive change on this
  468. [23:58:51] <tantek> I'm not certain it is even worth wasting people's time with the big complex examples.
  469. [23:58:54] <molly> but I have the opportunity to smooth it out
  470. [23:59:01] <molly> and more in a series to clarify
  471. [23:59:03] <KevinMarks> molly, mentioning rel-tag is probably worth it, as it has very high adoption
  472. [23:59:09] <KevinMarks> and people are used to the idea of tagging now
  473. [23:59:14] <tantek> If I were reading this as a tech person not familiar with the subject matter, that would be sufficient for me to abandon the article
  474. [23:59:17] <molly> good point Kevin
  475. [23:59:32] <tantek> I would never even get to the "good stuff"

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