IRC Log for #microformats on 2006-07-03

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  2. [00:02:40] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  10. [01:09:40] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  15. [01:55:53] <jibot> cdevroe is Colin D. Devroe, blogs at http://cdevroe.com/, lives in Clifford, PA, USA and helps run the 9rules Network
  16. [01:56:33] <cdevroe> Anyone in here know how to get the Firefox Tails Export extension running on Mac?
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  24. [02:37:01] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  26. [02:54:36] <cdevroe> tantek: Do you use the Tails extension?
  27. [02:55:05] <tantek> I have used it. But I'm still looking for the definitive repository of the latest open source for it.
  28. [02:55:35] <tantek> We need to fix some key bugs, in particular the erroneous treatment of "title" attributes in non-abbr elements (e.g. spans)
  29. [02:56:08] <cdevroe> Can you get it to run for Firefox on Mac?
  30. [02:57:29] <tantek> Tails yes, TailsExport no.
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  32. [02:58:43] <cdevroe> Ah, I see.
  33. [03:00:21] <cdevroe> There was a comment on TailsExport of someone saying "I got it to work on Mac, if you want it contact me" - I've been unable to find it anyone "online"
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  35. [03:01:53] <tantek> Indeed. It should be fairly easy to hack the original Tails to simply use http://feeds.technorati.com/contacts/ and http://feeds.technorati.com/events/ to export the hCard/hCalendar from the current page as vCard/iCalendar.
  36. [03:02:59] <cdevroe> Yes.
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  40. [03:32:47] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  58. [08:22:22] <jibot> trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and helps with www.multipack.co.uk
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  61. [08:32:18] <mfbot> [[spread-microformats]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/spread-microformats * Tantek * (+148)
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  63. [09:13:25] <jibot> gsnedders is a 14 year old idiot from Scotland and pretends to have a website at http://geoffers.uni.cc/
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  67. [10:23:11] <friedcell> any1?
  68. [10:27:57] <mfbot> [[irc]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=irc&diff=0&oldid=7132 * MarkoMrdjenovic * (+50)
  69. [10:28:08] <mfbot> [[irc]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=irc&diff=0&oldid=7133 * MarkoMrdjenovic * (+1) People on irc -
  70. [10:35:25] <mfbot> [[spread-microformats]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=spread-microformats&diff=0&oldid=7134 * ChristopheDucamp * (+396) Not sure but added a "spreading on wiki-communities section" -> delete if this is off-topic.
  71. [10:35:41] <mfbot> [[spread-microformats]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=spread-microformats&diff=0&oldid=7135 * ChristopheDucamp * (+2) typo
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  75. [11:22:52] <jibot> edsu is Ed Summers from the Library of Congress <http://www.inkdroid.org>
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  78. [11:41:42] <jibot> xtof is Christophe Ducamp you could find me on http://www.communitywiki.org/odd/Xtof/HomePage
  79. [11:43:17] <xtof> Hope nobody will disagree I spreaded the word in a nice community of wikistes : http://www.usemod.com/cgi-bin/mb.pl?MicroFormats
  80. [11:43:50] <xtof> I'd like to have any opinions over there about wiki-formats. My english is awful so this page will have
  81. [11:43:56] <xtof> to be reviewed.
  82. [11:45:24] <trovster> "by Dan Cederholm with help from Tantek �elik for the launch"? I think Dan Cederholm just designed the logo...
  83. [11:45:33] <xtof> Elsewhere there's a discussion about wikiindex (wiki of wikis) a very nice project to build a word wide wikidiary
  84. [11:46:22] <tantek> Dan designed the logo and the initial site design.
  85. [11:46:57] <xtof> A discussion is currently opened to integrate microformats for their structured data : http://wikiindex.com/WikiProject:Categories_and_Tags
  86. [11:47:42] <friedcell> tantek - at @media you were talking about a page on wiki that documents such things as outlooks need for a uid on ical. what's the page again?
  87. [11:48:35] <tantek> http://microformats.org/wiki/vcard-implementations
  88. [11:50:03] <friedcell> thanks. i see somebody beat me to it.
  89. [11:54:17] <tantek> more detail (and confirmation) always helps. e.g. version numbers etc.
  90. [11:54:51] * trovster wonders how far drewinthehead_ took the n-implementation
  91. [11:55:12] * drewinthehead_ stirs
  92. [11:58:19] * drewinthehead_ can't figure how to to retrieve his Connections window from its off-screen location
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  94. [11:59:47] <trovster> That's one way to solve it!
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  96. [12:00:03] <trovster> [12:59:47] <trovster> That's one way to solve it! ;)
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  98. [12:00:51] <drewinthehead> trovster: I got thus far: http://allinthehead.com/demo/hcard/best-guess.php
  99. [12:01:04] <friedcell> what do you do if you're creating an hcard with no person? eg. company card
  100. [12:01:06] <trovster> Should list some trials to test below.
  101. [12:01:15] <trovster> friedcell: fn org=""
  102. [12:02:14] <friedcell> i'm ok then
  103. [12:03:06] <friedcell> i was looking at the tel:fax issue on microformats.org/wiki/hcard-parsing
  104. [12:03:36] <friedcell> not implemented yet in the converter? or is my example wrong?
  105. [12:04:38] <trovster> What issue? Where? What example?
  106. [12:06:17] <friedcell> the type in abbr
  107. [12:06:31] <friedcell> issue2
  108. [12:06:35] <friedcell> http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-parsing#ISSUE_2
  109. [12:06:50] <friedcell> i'm getting the right value, but without type
  110. [12:07:30] <tantek> friedcell, URL to your hCard code?
  111. [12:07:57] <friedcell> <p class="tel"><abbr class="type" title="voice">T</abbr>: <span class="value">+39 06 42045327</span></p>
  112. [12:07:59] <mfbot> [[hcard-parsing]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-parsing&diff=0&oldid=7136 * Tantek * (+0) typo
  113. [12:08:23] <tantek> ah, that should work yes
  114. [12:08:30] <tantek> definitely worth sending that to microformats-discuss
  115. [12:08:38] <tantek> we should incorporate that as a test case as well
  116. [12:08:48] <tantek> which parser is having trouble with it?
  117. [12:09:29] <friedcell> http://feeds.technorati.com/contacts/http://www.adria-airways.com/_static/mailings/060703/index.html'
  118. [12:09:37] <friedcell> without the trailing noise
  119. [12:09:51] <friedcell> i'm getting TEL: twice instead of one voice and one fax
  120. [12:18:00] <mfbot> [[spread-microformats]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=spread-microformats&diff=0&oldid=7137 * Remi * (+119) Added some infos for my wallpaper
  121. [12:27:52] <tantek> friedcell, your code looks fine. go ahead and send an email to microformats-discuss with http://www.adria-airways.com/_static/mailings/060703/index.html noting what you are doing and the fact that the X2V converter doesn't appear to pick up the TEL TYPE info inside an abbr.
  122. [12:28:51] <friedcell> i will, i just subscribed.
  123. [12:38:39] <tantek> thanks! I predict that Brian Suda will notice and say something.
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  126. [13:16:52] <jibot> dglazkov is Dimitri Glazkov (http://glazkov.com) and lives in Birmingham, AL, USA (-6:00 GMT)
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  130. [13:45:45] <jibot> Charl is Charl van Niekerk and writes about standards at http://standards.za.net/
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  133. [13:59:15] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  142. [14:31:51] <jibot> pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
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  153. [15:47:54] <jibot> ryanlowe is Ryan Lowe, http://www.fanconcert.com
  154. [15:53:13] <pnhChris> ...
  155. [15:55:06] <trovster> ...
  156. [15:57:30] <pnhChris> i think colloquy is screwing with me today
  157. [15:58:30] <drewinthehead> which version, pnhChris?
  158. [15:58:36] <pnhChris> latest beta
  159. [15:59:02] <trovster> Colloquy looks nice, but it's really annoyingly buggy :@
  160. [15:59:04] <pnhChris> didn't show anything in this channel between joining and me posting
  161. [15:59:34] <drewinthehead> there was nothing but joins and leaves
  162. [15:59:38] <pnhChris> but was nice enough to count how many lines it wasn't showing me :P
  163. [15:59:44] <pnhChris> and bots
  164. [15:59:50] <trovster> Not long ago, I joined server and channels, then people were talking (the number went up) and nothing was showing
  165. [15:59:59] <trovster> Disconnected, reconnect and it worked
  166. [16:00:00] <pnhChris> aye
  167. [16:00:28] <pnhChris> seems ok now
  168. [16:00:32] * pnhChris shrugs
  169. [16:00:39] <pnhChris> we'll see
  170. [16:02:27] <drewinthehead> i've been pondering robots exclusion and how it relates to microformats tools
  171. [16:02:51] <pnhChris> i've been pondering lunch
  172. [16:04:07] <drewinthehead> robots exclusion seems to only apply to things that recursively follow links .. so i don't think it applied to single page hits
  173. [16:05:24] <drewinthehead> pnhChris: lunch is to be eaten, not pondered.
  174. [16:09:14] <pnhChris> i a pondering what it is to be eaten
  175. [16:09:32] <pnhChris> we.. not what it is for me to be eaten
  176. [16:09:38] <pnhChris> but you know what i mean :P
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  178. [16:10:29] <jibot> mlinksva is Mike Linksvayer and from Creative Commons
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  183. [16:35:55] <jibot> cgriego is Chris Griego (-06:00)
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  187. [17:01:19] <dglazkov> yikes!
  188. [17:01:33] <dglazkov> Outlook 2003 doesn't support vCal 2.0
  189. [17:01:38] <dglazkov> yikes!
  190. [17:02:05] * dglazkov grumbles
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  192. [17:08:24] <dglazkov> fellas, is there any way to force technorati.com/events to output VERSION: 1.0 in a vCal?
  193. [17:08:58] <dglazkov> 'cause otherwise Windows folks a SOL:
  194. [17:09:17] <dglazkov> http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=7&url=http%3A%2F%2Ffactoryjoe.com%2Fblog%2F2006%2F06%2F16%2Ffor-the-rest-of-the-month%2F&ei=hEepRLDBE6LWwQKJ_t3YCQ&sig2=bEZZnGQ94Dgj1iBleSjVvw
  195. [17:09:31] <dglazkov> doh
  196. [17:09:32] <dglazkov> http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/06/16/for-the-rest-of-the-month/
  197. [17:10:01] <dglazkov> more precisely:
  198. [17:10:03] <dglazkov> http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/06/16/for-the-rest-of-the-month/#comment-7863
  199. [17:13:48] <tantek> dglazkov, could you please detail the problem any particular iCalendar client here? http://microformats.org/wiki/icalendar-implementations
  200. [17:14:14] <dglazkov> yes. researching the details...
  201. [17:14:19] <tantek> we shouldn't be doing ANY random outputting of various fields/properties like that unless the problem client is fully documented FIRST
  202. [17:14:29] <tantek> application name, version number etc. etc.
  203. [17:14:54] <tantek> reference to section(s) in RFC2445 that apply
  204. [17:24:06] <dglazkov> me bad
  205. [17:24:19] <dglazkov> if you add DTSTAMP and UID, everything works perfectly
  206. [17:24:25] <dglazkov> just like you documented
  207. [17:30:49] <dglazkov> anybody can give me quick pointers on where to read up on vCal 1.0?
  208. [17:32:54] * tantek has an old printed copy somewhere.
  209. [17:33:10] <dglazkov> :) can you fax it to me?
  210. [17:33:19] <dglazkov> :)
  211. [17:33:32] <dglazkov> a quick history lesson, perhaps?
  212. [17:33:43] <dglazkov> vCal 1.0 is not an RFC
  213. [17:33:49] <tantek> right
  214. [17:33:50] <dglazkov> right?
  215. [17:34:03] <dglazkov> http://www.imc.org/pdi/vcal-10.txt
  216. [17:34:22] <dglazkov> that's why it works in MS Outlook
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  218. [17:34:30] <dglazkov> I was just debugging it brute-force
  219. [17:35:47] <tantek> I do know that there is a product out there that converts iCalendar in general to a form that Outlook 2003 can process
  220. [17:36:59] <dglazkov> yeah, I heard about it, too
  221. [17:37:17] <dglazkov> stupid question: why can't UID be a URL?
  222. [17:37:27] <dglazkov> I probably need to search uf-discuss archives
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  224. [17:41:25] <jibot> pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
  225. [17:43:19] <dglazkov> dtstamp = dtstart, if not defined expicitly
  226. [17:43:24] <dglazkov> methinks
  227. [17:47:55] <mfbot> [[hcalendar-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar-issues&diff=0&oldid=7138 * DimitriGlazkov * (+91) Suggestion to infer DTSTAMP
  228. [17:48:56] <mfbot> [[hcalendar-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar-issues&diff=0&oldid=7139 * DimitriGlazkov * (+4)
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  232. [17:55:59] <dglazkov> tantek, do you want me to document that ical 1.0 works on Outlook on wiki?
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  234. [17:56:31] <jibot> ryanlowe is Ryan Lowe, http://www.fanconcert.com
  235. [17:56:33] <tantek> yes
  236. [17:56:45] <tantek> or rather document the details of what works and doesn't work
  237. [17:56:54] <tantek> we need to map out as much as we can
  238. [17:57:10] <tantek> you may want to check http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICalendar#Microsoft_Outlook also
  239. [18:06:38] <mfbot> [[icalendar-implementations]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=icalendar-implementations&diff=0&oldid=7140 * DimitriGlazkov * (+609) Detailed documentation of MS Outlook 2003 behavior
  240. [18:08:04] <mfbot> [[icalendar-implementations]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=icalendar-implementations&diff=0&oldid=7141 * DimitriGlazkov * (+37) Added self to contributors
  241. [18:08:19] * bear_afk is now known as bear
  242. [18:09:02] <dglazkov> so, is there nothing I can do to make this work in Outlook?:
  243. [18:09:08] <dglazkov> http://microformats.org/wiki/icalendar-implementations
  244. [18:09:14] <dglazkov> stupid paste
  245. [18:09:31] <dglazkov> http://doane.estradacms.com/85/?view=event&eventId=628
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  247. [18:17:15] <mfbot> [[icalendar-implementations]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=icalendar-implementations&diff=0&oldid=7142 * DimitriGlazkov * (+493) Minimal importable iCal events for MS Outlook 2003
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  258. [19:07:59] <jibot> drewinthehead is Drew McLellan - watch him, he's tricky.
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  261. [19:31:32] <dglazkov> jesse?
  262. [19:32:35] <dglazkov> hi jrodgers!
  263. [19:32:54] <jrodgers> hi
  264. [19:33:32] <dglazkov> nice to meet ya in irc :)
  265. [19:33:51] <jrodgers> nice to meet you dimitri?
  266. [19:34:03] <jrodgers> ;)
  267. [19:34:04] <dglazkov> yup. that's me :)
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  270. [19:35:00] <jrodgers> i am feeling like the edu sector is doing to the do the typical edu thing and have everyone devise their own mf strategy...
  271. [19:35:35] <jrodgers> it happens on a smaller scale inside departments/faculties/colleges/campuses
  272. [19:37:47] <dglazkov> I am pleasantly surprised to see the rate of adoption
  273. [19:38:45] <jrodgers> it will be fast.. but in islands inside each campus
  274. [19:39:37] <jrodgers> like web standards... very few campuses haven't moved towards some level of web standards adoption... things holding them back are CMS or just the fact admin assistants are the bulk of web maintainers
  275. [19:42:21] <dglazkov> and I think it's totally fine
  276. [19:42:45] <dglazkov> one by one is all we can hope for
  277. [19:42:54] <dglazkov> methinks
  278. [19:44:44] <dglazkov> hey, want a total mind-bender?
  279. [19:45:11] <jrodgers> sure ;)
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  281. [19:45:40] <dglazkov> I am working with Thomson-Peterson on trying to figure out how CDS fits into microformats:
  282. [19:45:43] <dglazkov> http://microformats.org/wiki/icalendar-implementations
  283. [19:45:49] <dglazkov> damn paste!
  284. [19:45:58] <dglazkov> http://commondataset.org/
  285. [19:47:52] <jrodgers> goodness... that is a national initiative in the US?
  286. [19:49:16] <dglazkov> this is the standard format in which _all_ universities (Canada, too I think) submit their info to TP, Princeton Review and US News REport
  287. [19:49:25] <jrodgers> the office that deals with that on my campus is right across the hall from mine...
  288. [19:49:26] <dglazkov> it's how students do their shopping
  289. [19:49:40] <dglazkov> now, imagine if we could get this decentralized
  290. [19:50:05] <jrodgers> canadian students do their shopping via Macleans magazine
  291. [19:50:24] <dglazkov> each university simply hosts a marked-up file, and Thomson-Petersons, et al. simply aggregate, kind of like Tantek's kitchen
  292. [19:50:31] <dglazkov> oh -- I didn't know that
  293. [19:50:40] <jrodgers> http://www.macleans.ca/universities/
  294. [19:50:52] <jrodgers> that is the authority in canada... or has been
  295. [19:51:16] <jrodgers> but yes... your idea is better
  296. [19:52:05] <jrodgers> this is our category: http://www.macleans.ca/universities/article.jsp?content=20051104_162441_5048
  297. [19:52:24] <jrodgers> and we just made #1 again last year
  298. [19:52:55] <dglazkov> congratulations
  299. [19:52:58] <jrodgers> no where near the depth in the CDS mind you
  300. [19:53:11] <dglazkov> CDS's depth is ... mind-bending
  301. [19:53:35] <jrodgers> well the office that *bends* the numbers is across from me.. no one submits real facts.. makes it a sort of farce
  302. [19:54:07] <jrodgers> Waterloo is #1 because Apple, Microsoft, Google, Open Text, Sybase, and RIM all actively recruit our students...
  303. [19:54:47] <jrodgers> Waterloo just got added to Apple's 10 schools
  304. [19:55:58] <jrodgers> something like a CDS would make it better for students though
  305. [19:56:30] <jrodgers> give them (and their parents) facts to work with.. not pretty graphs in a magazine
  306. [19:57:27] <dglazkov> http://petersons.com/ugchannel/
  307. [19:57:59] <dglazkov> an example of how CDS is used
  308. [19:58:38] <dglazkov> it's a real-life spec. Except it is excruciatingly hard for all parties to get this data together
  309. [19:58:43] <dglazkov> submission is a pain
  310. [19:58:54] <dglazkov> entry/cataloging is a pain
  311. [20:02:31] <dglazkov> http://petersons.com/ugchannel/code/InstVC.asp?inunid=9106&sponsor=1
  312. [20:02:56] <jrodgers> not surprised... you wouldn't want to know how bad our admissions system is in this province
  313. [20:04:20] <jrodgers> i was just browsing around the michigan schools.. i grew up in the Soo on the northern border of michigan always want to go to University of Michigan ;)
  314. [20:04:51] <jrodgers> that out of state tuition is insane though
  315. [20:07:10] <jrodgers> that peterson's site is extremely comprehensive though.. great resource
  316. [20:08:05] <dglazkov> princeton review has the same wealth of info, and so is US News Report -- all thanks to CDS
  317. [20:08:58] <dglazkov> in a way, these folks have already progressed to the next step of Web 2.0. They share the data.
  318. [20:09:23] <dglazkov> their competitive advantage is not in having the data, but in how they present it
  319. [20:09:58] <dglazkov> make that just "Web", not "Web 2.0"
  320. [20:11:32] <jrodgers> haha
  321. [20:13:13] <jrodgers> if each uni hosted the marked-up file it would be a lot easier to keep the data current
  322. [20:13:57] <dglazkov> yep. And in the same fashion, they could start consuming hCards, hCalendars, etc.
  323. [20:14:16] <dglazkov> so that for instance, there could be a distributed directory of admissions people
  324. [20:14:37] * dglazkov wildly waves hands
  325. [20:14:49] <jrodgers> well... it is a bit insane
  326. [20:14:52] <jrodgers> ;)
  327. [20:15:27] <jrodgers> only because I guess that less than half the schools have centralized web resources skilled enough to make that a reality
  328. [20:15:45] <jrodgers> of course it would only take one person in each school to take on the project...
  329. [20:16:20] <dglazkov> :)
  330. [20:16:26] <dglazkov> one by one
  331. [20:17:04] <jrodgers> you have great patience
  332. [20:17:26] <dglazkov> nah. just too little time to deal with this stuff ;)
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  334. [20:19:38] <jrodgers> if you can make having the file and the mf a marketing advantage the take up will happen fast
  335. [20:20:36] <dglazkov> I was thinking to maybe pre-generate these profiles for each school based on existing data and give it to them
  336. [20:20:44] <dglazkov> editing is much easier than updating
  337. [20:20:51] <dglazkov> er... creating
  338. [20:20:59] <jrodgers> i can imagine that being a search engine helper in some way
  339. [20:21:20] <jrodgers> and that is a good idea...
  340. [20:21:34] <jrodgers> if they have a template to go by they might maintain it
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  346. [20:34:24] <dglazkov> KevinMarks, got a sec
  347. [20:34:26] <dglazkov> ?
  348. [20:34:43] <dglazkov> I have xoxo question
  349. [20:39:49] <dglazkov> nm
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  351. [20:45:17] * drewinthehead is melting
  352. [20:57:22] <jrodgers> hehe drew.. its 30C here
  353. [20:57:35] <jrodgers> but i have a pool and corona to help me out ;)
  354. [20:57:46] <drewinthehead> that's the crucial difference ;)
  355. [20:57:54] <drewinthehead> 30C here too
  356. [20:58:34] <jrodgers> every time i go to london it's 30C.. glad i stayed home this summer ;)
  357. [20:58:42] <drewinthehead> not complaining, it's great. just a PITA when you have to get work done.
  358. [20:59:11] <jrodgers> ya.. taking the summer off makes so much sense
  359. [21:01:11] <jrodgers> even the fishes look hot in your flickr stream
  360. [21:01:51] <drewinthehead> the fishes look hot in my aquarium here too.
  361. [21:02:06] <drewinthehead> so how's your µF effort going?
  362. [21:02:36] <jrodgers> as good as it can considering it is the big holiday period over here
  363. [21:03:40] <jrodgers> since it doesn't matter how much work i put into this module of my msc I plan to spend some time on the edu mf idea
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  365. [21:13:08] <jibot> remi is Remi Prevost, a web developper (yeah, that's how we spell "developer" in french) from Quebec and blogs about web stuff at <http://remiprevost.com/>
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