IRC Log for #microformats on 2006-07-02

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  7. [02:16:31] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  19. [04:27:41] <jibot> xtof is Christophe Ducamp you could find me on http://www.communitywiki.org/odd/Xtof/HomePage
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  22. [04:55:41] <mfbot> [[adr-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=adr-fr&diff=0&oldid=7097 * ChristopheDucamp * (+426)
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  27. [05:14:36] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  31. [05:44:58] <mfbot> [[hcard-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-fr&diff=0&oldid=7098 * ChristopheDucamp * (-1) Extraction de Valeur - copyedit précision -> extraction
  32. [05:55:59] <mfbot> [[faq-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=faq-fr&diff=0&oldid=7099 * ChristopheDucamp * (+29) Interactions de "Class" - typo
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  35. [06:16:32] <mfbot> [[hcard-faq-fr]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-faq-fr * ChristopheDucamp * (+13239) translation hcard-faq to be reviewed
  36. [06:18:22] <mfbot> [[hcard-faq-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-faq-fr&diff=0&oldid=7100 * ChristopheDucamp * (+1)
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  38. [06:22:23] <mfbot> [[to-do-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=to-do-fr&diff=0&oldid=7101 * ChristopheDucamp * (-11) rel-license - cleaning
  39. [06:23:39] <mfbot> [[to-do-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=to-do-fr&diff=0&oldid=7102 * ChristopheDucamp * (-23) hCard (traductions spéc. et pages apparentées) - cleaning
  40. [06:24:20] <mfbot> [[to-do-fr]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=to-do-fr&diff=0&oldid=7103 * ChristopheDucamp * (+63) hCard (traductions spéc. et pages apparentées) - add hcard-faq-fr
  41. [06:26:01] <mfbot> [[to-do-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=to-do-fr&diff=0&oldid=7104 * ChristopheDucamp * (+27) rel-license - rellicence-issues-fr la traduction est à compléter
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  44. [06:47:33] <mfbot> [[Main Page-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page-fr&diff=0&oldid=7105 * ChristopheDucamp * (+81) Outils & et Tests de Cas & Recherche Supplémentaire - typo
  45. [06:48:44] <mfbot> [[to-do-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=to-do-fr&diff=0&oldid=7106 * ChristopheDucamp * (+568) restructuration selon les sections présentes sur la page d'accueil
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  47. [06:53:15] <mfbot> [[hcalendar-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar-fr&diff=0&oldid=7107 * ChristopheDucamp * (-5) Format - typo
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  49. [07:02:51] <mfbot> [[hcalendar-faq-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar-faq-fr&diff=0&oldid=7108 * ChristopheDucamp * (-13) Q&R - typo
  50. [07:04:27] <mfbot> [[to-do-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=to-do-fr&diff=0&oldid=7109 * ChristopheDucamp * (+22) Spécifications à l'état de Draft / Brouillons - structure adr et geo
  51. [07:05:38] <mfbot> [[to-do-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=to-do-fr&diff=0&oldid=7110 * ChristopheDucamp * (+34) adr - ** [[adr-examples-fr]] -- à traduire
  52. [07:15:19] <mfbot> [[adr-examples-fr]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/adr-examples-fr * ChristopheDucamp * (+1643)
  53. [07:31:21] <mfbot> [[rel-nofollow-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rel-nofollow-fr&diff=0&oldid=7111 * ChristopheDucamp * (+137) translated
  54. [07:31:57] <mfbot> [[rel-nofollow-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rel-nofollow-fr&diff=0&oldid=7112 * ChristopheDucamp * (+5)
  55. [07:37:13] <mfbot> [[rel-tag-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rel-tag-fr&diff=0&oldid=7113 * ChristopheDucamp * (+46) typo
  56. [07:42:39] <mfbot> [[rel-tag-faq-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rel-tag-faq-fr&diff=0&oldid=7114 * ChristopheDucamp * (+44) Q&R - typo
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  62. [08:46:52] <jibot> _fil_ is co-author of SPIP (www.spip.net) and works on implementing microformats in it
  63. [08:48:12] <mfbot> [[rel-faq-fr]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/rel-faq-fr * ChristopheDucamp * (+7336) rel-faq translated to be reviewed
  64. [08:50:23] <mfbot> [[vote-links-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=vote-links-fr&diff=0&oldid=7115 * ChristopheDucamp * (+36) Travaux apparentés - typo
  65. [08:52:29] <mfbot> [[vote-links-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=vote-links-fr&diff=0&oldid=7116 * ChristopheDucamp * (+10) Inspiration et Remerciements - typo [[rel-faq-fr|RelFAQ]]
  66. [08:53:20] <mfbot> [[vote-links-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=vote-links-fr&diff=0&oldid=7117 * ChristopheDucamp * (+6) typo / add fr on Copyright and Patents
  67. [08:56:06] <mfbot> [[faq-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=faq-fr&diff=0&oldid=7118 * ChristopheDucamp * (+121) Questions spécifiques aux Microformats - add fr suffix on faq
  68. [08:59:27] <mfbot> [[vote-links-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=vote-links-fr&diff=0&oldid=7119 * ChristopheDucamp * (+11) Déprécié : utiliser 'rel' pour les VoteLinks - [[rel-faq-fr|RelFAQ]]
  69. [09:06:18] <mfbot> [[Template:MicroFormatCopyrightStatement2003-fr]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Template:MicroFormatCopyrightStatement2003-fr * ChristopheDucamp * (+103) [fr: translation Template:MicroFormatCopyrightStatement2003]
  70. [09:07:34] <mfbot> [[vote-links-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=vote-links-fr&diff=0&oldid=7120 * ChristopheDucamp * (+4) Spécification - typo
  71. [09:10:35] <mfbot> [[elemental-microformat-fr]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/elemental-microformat-fr * ChristopheDucamp * (+628) [fr: translation elemental-microformat]
  72. [09:12:41] <mfbot> [[elemental-microformat-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=elemental-microformat-fr&diff=0&oldid=7121 * ChristopheDucamp * (+5)
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  75. [09:25:21] <jibot> gsnedders is a 14 year old idiot from Scotland and pretends to have a website at http://geoffers.uni.cc/
  76. [09:31:48] <mfbot> [[rel-enclosure-fr]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/rel-enclosure-fr * ChristopheDucamp * (+4299) [fr: rel-enclosure translation]
  77. [09:35:44] <mfbot> [[compound-microformat-fr]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/compound-microformat-fr * ChristopheDucamp * (+539) [fr:translation of compound-microformat]
  78. [09:38:20] <mfbot> [[rel-nofollow-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rel-nofollow-fr&diff=0&oldid=7122 * ChristopheDucamp * (+5) Abstract - typo
  79. [09:40:26] <mfbot> [[hcard-parsing-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-parsing-fr&diff=0&oldid=7123 * ChristopheDucamp * (+3) étendue - typo
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  82. [09:53:12] <mfbot> [[hcard-parsing-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-parsing-fr&diff=0&oldid=7124 * ChristopheDucamp * (+267) [fr: translation in progress]
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  84. [10:21:03] <jibot> edsu is Ed Summers from the Library of Congress <http://www.inkdroid.org>
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  86. [11:26:46] <jibot> trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and helps with www.multipack.co.uk
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  88. [12:44:09] <debugger> hi
  89. [12:49:11] <drewinthehead> hi debugger
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  96. [13:52:11] <jibot> cgriego is Chris Griego (-06:00)
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  101. [14:25:11] <jibot> pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
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  105. [14:55:31] <jibot> amette is http://alexander-mette.de and a TikiWiki developer
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  108. [15:00:29] <jibot> remi is Remi Prevost, a web developper (yeah, that's how we spell "developer" in french) from Quebec and blogs about web stuff at <http://remiprevost.com/>
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  112. [15:36:48] <jibot> ryanlowe is Ryan Lowe, http://www.fanconcert.com
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  114. [16:13:23] <mfbot> [[faq]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=faq&diff=0&oldid=7125 * Tantek * (+1346) added FAQ about first use existing microformats before proposing a new one, some spacing to make questions easier to find
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  119. [17:00:51] <jibot> evanpro is Evan Prodromou, info at http://wikitravel.org/en/User:Evan
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  128. [19:31:35] <mfbot> [[User:ChristopheDucamp]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User:ChristopheDucamp&diff=0&oldid=7126 * ChristopheDucamp * (+127) updating claim idcard (first tests) and french wikiurl dedicated to tests
  129. [19:46:01] <mfbot> [[faq-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=faq-fr&diff=0&oldid=7127 * ChristopheDucamp * (+626) [fr:sync with faq-fr]
  130. [19:54:12] <mfbot> [[faq-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=faq-fr&diff=0&oldid=7128 * ChristopheDucamp * (+28) Questions Basiques sur les MicroFormats -
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  132. [20:02:26] <jibot> xtof is Christophe Ducamp you could find me on http://www.communitywiki.org/odd/Xtof/HomePage
  133. [20:19:04] <mfbot> [[adr-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=adr-fr&diff=0&oldid=7129 * ChristopheDucamp * (+0) Format - typo minor edits
  134. [20:21:16] <remi> hello xtof
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  136. [20:30:49] * drewinthehead is looking for a list of honorific suffixes
  137. [20:35:02] <drewinthehead> if anyone has time for a quick test, I've attempted to codify the algorithm tantek was suggesting yesterday for best-guessing hCard n-values from an ambiguous string
  138. [20:35:05] <drewinthehead> http://allinthehead.com/demo/hcard/best-guess.php
  139. [20:39:50] <trovster_> Seems to work quite nicely
  140. [20:40:20] <drewinthehead> it's currently breaking on strings like "Brigadier General Drew McLellan VII"
  141. [20:40:37] <trovster_> heh
  142. [20:40:46] <drewinthehead> the multi-word prefixes need some work ;)
  143. [20:40:55] <mfbot> [[geo-fr]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/geo-fr * ChristopheDucamp * (+11244) [fr: geo translation]
  144. [20:41:35] <trovster_> <span class="honorific-prefix">Brig</span> <span class="given-name">dier</span> - heh
  145. [20:41:46] <trovster_> What honorific prefix is 'brig' !?
  146. [20:42:32] <trovster_> There was an image which had loads of possible prefixes, for filling out a form on some site.
  147. [20:43:23] <drewinthehead> yeah, that may have been my site
  148. [20:43:39] <drewinthehead> http://allinthehead.com/retro/238/a-question-of-title
  149. [20:44:13] <trovster_> http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:xZD3oLXtUKwJ:web.gc.cuny.edu/banner2000/prefixrules.pdf+prefix+reverend+mr+mrs+miss&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&client=firefox-a
  150. [20:44:46] <pnhChris> oo... there's a good example in there
  151. [20:44:48] <trovster_> Nah, wasn't that list...
  152. [20:44:53] <pnhChris> attendees list
  153. [20:45:06] <pnhChris> "Congressman and Mrs Smith"
  154. [20:45:20] <drewinthehead> gosh
  155. [20:45:28] * drewinthehead curls up and cries
  156. [20:45:42] <trovster_> From your site - https://www.britishairways.com/travel/inet/public/en_us?eld=103001 - check those out. heh
  157. [20:47:23] * pnhChris wonders how you might pronounce "- Bob Smith"
  158. [20:47:25] <pnhChris> :P
  159. [20:47:58] * drewinthehead thinks it must be some kind of clicking sound
  160. [20:48:25] <pnhChris> some rank in aboriginal society?
  161. [20:50:03] <drewinthehead> it now copes with Brigadier General Drew McLellan VII
  162. [20:51:46] <pnhChris> how about First Lady Lady Bird Johnson
  163. [20:52:49] <trovster_> Coping with Brigadier General Drew McLellan VII is impressive :D
  164. [20:52:54] * pnhChris looks around for tantek to tell him he's crazy to suggest coping with such thigns
  165. [20:54:20] <pnhChris> and yes.. that is impressive
  166. [20:54:49] <drewinthehead> i'm short on suffixes
  167. [20:55:50] <pnhChris> do you handle Bill S. Preston Esquire yet?
  168. [20:56:19] <drewinthehead> ah, the old Bill S. Preston Esquire scenario.
  169. [20:56:20] <pnhChris> nope!
  170. [20:56:56] <pnhChris> here's another one for yah
  171. [20:56:57] <pnhChris> http://www.fwmj.com/word/
  172. [20:57:05] <pnhChris> Sir Frank William Miller, Junior II, Esquire
  173. [20:57:19] <drewinthehead> consider the Bill S. Preston Esquire scenario covered
  174. [20:58:06] <pnhChris> (and yes.. the blog title is fake.. he's not knighted.... just "Frank William Miller, Junior"
  175. [20:58:06] <drewinthehead> i can't do multiple honorifics
  176. [20:58:39] <drewinthehead> ok, so that's not a real problem ... so i don't have to deal with it yet ;)
  177. [20:58:42] <mfbot> [[rel-directory-fr]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/rel-directory-fr * ChristopheDucamp * (+4354) [fr: rel-directory]
  178. [20:58:44] <pnhChris> no
  179. [20:58:59] <pnhChris> but you need to deal with "junior" and the comma
  180. [20:59:52] <trovster_> Well, surname, firstname is the comma syntax isn't it?
  181. [21:00:31] <drewinthehead> no, that'd be surname, initial
  182. [21:01:10] <pnhChris> hehe.. franks got a nice computer blowup on his flickr page.. .http://www.flickr.com/photos/fwmj
  183. [21:01:10] <trovster_> # family-name (comma) given-name
  184. [21:02:14] <drewinthehead> trovster_ where's that?
  185. [21:02:35] <trovster_> http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard#Implied_.22n.22_Optimization
  186. [21:03:21] <drewinthehead> of course. and that works
  187. [21:04:32] <drewinthehead> hmm ... except it performs the tranformation when it should just be testing that the transformation is possible
  188. [21:05:43] <pnhChris> is there some sort of specified / valid order of name parts? i don't know the hcard spec all that well
  189. [21:06:18] <drewinthehead> yes, in the above link .. there's about 5
  190. [21:06:28] <mfbot> [[to-do-fr]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=to-do-fr&diff=0&oldid=7130 * ChristopheDucamp * (+252) Traductions spécifications - ajout rel-faq-fr
  191. [21:06:35] * drewinthehead isn't sure how to treat "Ramses Niblick III Kerplunk Kerplunk Whoops Where's My Thribble"
  192. [21:06:55] <pnhChris> no.. i don't mean in implied optimization
  193. [21:07:05] <pnhChris> (if that's what you mean)
  194. [21:07:11] <trovster_> I was just listening to Kerplunk, coincidence, I don't think so!
  195. [21:07:44] <drewinthehead> sorry pnhChris ... no, I don't think order is important
  196. [21:08:30] <drewinthehead> and there's no suggestion of how to do what I'm trying to do ... i'm just trying to find a way around a common problem
  197. [21:09:08] <pnhChris> i meant more like... would the order of appearance of "additional, given, additional, additional, honorific-suffix, surname, additional" be invalid or just really odd, probably not really a name and probably break things
  198. [21:09:17] * pnhChris nods
  199. [21:09:45] <drewinthehead> i think that's the idea of N and FN being different properties
  200. [21:09:53] <pnhChris> right
  201. [21:10:14] <mfbot> [[to-do-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=to-do-fr&diff=0&oldid=7131 * ChristopheDucamp * (+150) Documentation générale et base de connaissance : - updating
  202. [21:10:21] <pnhChris> i'm just thinking about authoring constraints / parsing issues i guess
  203. [21:10:51] <pnhChris> given N of "really screwy looking"
  204. [21:11:48] <pnhChris> err.. i mean.. given a really screwy looking order of elements in N .. yadda yadda
  205. [21:11:52] <drewinthehead> depends how you're parsing it .. but most solutions seem to use XML tools which don't care about that stuff
  206. [21:12:34] <drewinthehead> hKit will cope with any screwy order of items
  207. [21:12:36] <pnhChris> right.. unless there are rules in hacard i don't know or something
  208. [21:12:41] <pnhChris> er
  209. [21:12:42] <pnhChris> vcard
  210. [21:13:05] <drewinthehead> yeah, I dunno about vCard, but vCards are for wimps ;)
  211. [21:13:06] <pnhChris> i don't konw if there are.. i might just be talking about a non-issue again
  212. [21:13:40] <drewinthehead> transforming to vCards is *so* last week
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  214. [21:18:00] <pnhChris> :P
  215. [21:19:05] <drewinthehead> this name guesser will break for anyone named Dean
  216. [21:19:22] <trovster_> hehe
  217. [21:19:28] <pnhChris> the lady bird example too then i guess
  218. [21:19:49] <pnhChris> though dean is probably more common :P
  219. [21:20:26] <drewinthehead> i only know two Deans, so it's probably not a problem ;)
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  221. [21:22:36] <drewinthehead> which do you think is more common, people called Dean who express their name in more than two words, or people who are Deans?
  222. [21:23:05] * drewinthehead is amused at the question
  223. [21:23:22] <pnhChris> what about deans who are deans?
  224. [21:23:35] <drewinthehead> Dean Dean Smith
  225. [21:23:44] <drewinthehead> well, that'd work fine
  226. [21:23:45] <pnhChris> <span class="fn">Dean Dean</span>
  227. [21:23:58] <pnhChris> cause we're informal like that
  228. [21:24:07] <drewinthehead> unless Dean is a surname too
  229. [21:24:42] * pnhChris stares at software update some more
  230. [21:24:46] <drewinthehead> Dean Dean would be an unusually cruel name, but it would compel the owner to apply for Deanship
  231. [21:25:00] <pnhChris> ack!
  232. [21:25:15] <pnhChris> what you you do with <span class="fn">Dean^3</span>
  233. [21:25:58] <drewinthehead> that'd be implied-nickname optimization
  234. [21:26:59] <drewinthehead> here's an odd quirk: Dean Edwards Jr
  235. [21:27:41] <pnhChris> this is fun and all
  236. [21:28:04] <pnhChris> but makes me wonder if <span class="fn n"><span class="nickname">BLOB</span></span>
  237. [21:28:21] <pnhChris> is the best way to mark up templates for "dumb" web apps
  238. [21:28:34] <pnhChris> (like comment forms for existing packages)
  239. [21:29:14] <pnhChris> (vs. leaving things up to the implied optimizations)
  240. [21:29:45] <pnhChris> where things can clearly get out of that scope quickly if you're letting everyone jsut enter a random string
  241. [21:29:51] <pnhChris> .. siingle string
  242. [21:30:12] <pnhChris> for example.. Poopy McPoop
  243. [21:30:30] <pnhChris> .. or... "You Suck"
  244. [21:31:55] <drewinthehead> doesn't nickname have to be one word?
  245. [21:32:02] <pnhChris> does it?
  246. [21:32:17] <pnhChris> (seems dumb)
  247. [21:32:21] <pnhChris> (but maybe)
  248. [21:32:22] <drewinthehead> ah, no it doesn't
  249. [21:32:28] <drewinthehead> but it's not part of N
  250. [21:33:06] <pnhChris> ah.. right
  251. [21:33:06] <drewinthehead> so the problem still exists of N being required
  252. [21:33:48] <pnhChris> .. or hcard being required
  253. [21:33:56] <pnhChris> depending on the approach to the issue
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  255. [21:34:51] <drewinthehead> obviously it's better to have no hcard than a broken one
  256. [21:35:11] <drewinthehead> but our goal is to use hcards when possible
  257. [21:35:19] <pnhChris> well.. its back to the hatom for current wordpress install issues
  258. [21:35:38] <pnhChris> where if you're just authoring a template and nothing else
  259. [21:35:49] <pnhChris> you don't know what the person has chosen to use as their display name
  260. [21:36:20] <pnhChris> its just "grab string and put it here"
  261. [21:36:53] <pnhChris> your work sits kinda in the middle.. or could
  262. [21:36:53] <pnhChris> to solve the issue
  263. [21:37:22] <drewinthehead> right. it's a tricky problem with no real solution at the moment
  264. [21:37:27] <pnhChris> but if i wanted to , say, produce a patch to make textpattern's default theme to use microformats
  265. [21:37:43] <pnhChris> what do you do with the posters info
  266. [21:37:58] <pnhChris> .. or commenters
  267. [21:38:10] <drewinthehead> exactly
  268. [21:38:25] <pnhChris> (one of the reasons i didn't do just that and submit it some time back)
  269. [21:38:55] <drewinthehead> the problem i had yesterday was that if you have a reviewer to specify for hReview, it HAS to be an hCard, and my reviewer data was just a random string
  270. [21:38:57] <pnhChris> .. because of rules about what hatom needed for authorship
  271. [21:39:13] <pnhChris> yup
  272. [21:40:10] <pnhChris> i'm still interested in the hreview inside hatom reviewer resolution question
  273. [21:40:44] <pnhChris> and the "best" way to define a page wide author if you don't have the "luxury" of ADDRESS
  274. [21:40:57] <pnhChris> .. that covers all current and future formats
  275. [21:41:22] <drewinthehead> a whois on the domain ;) ;)
  276. [21:49:44] <pnhChris> i think i found my new angle
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  279. [21:50:17] <pnhChris> requiring N on hatom/blogs is supporting Chinese censorship!
  280. [21:50:31] <pnhChris> :P
  281. [21:51:02] <dc__> hrm
  282. [21:51:10] <dc__> microid looks useful
  283. [21:52:45] <pnhChris> i'm not sure i'm sold
  284. [21:53:12] <dc__> well
  285. [21:53:32] <dc__> think about say.. you want to print someone elses review
  286. [21:53:41] <dc__> or someone else's xfn friends list
  287. [21:53:44] <pnhChris> yeah
  288. [21:53:58] <pnhChris> its part the class usage and part the reliance on domain
  289. [21:54:01] <dc__> so.. how do you define it's their and not yours.. thinking about xfn just for now
  290. [21:54:10] <pnhChris> ... for generating a unique ID
  291. [21:54:22] <pnhChris> its interesting
  292. [21:54:23] <dc__> ok so specifying their domain in teh class?
  293. [21:54:36] <pnhChris> but like i said... i don't know if i'm sold
  294. [21:54:40] <dc__> right
  295. [21:54:45] <dc__> looks like it'd solve that
  296. [21:55:00] <dc__> as their id is just a neater way of putting their domain and email combo in teh class
  297. [21:55:02] <dc__> urgh
  298. [21:55:03] <dc__> *the
  299. [21:55:13] <pnhChris> right.. but peoples mails change
  300. [21:55:26] <dc__> yeh did think of that
  301. [21:55:31] <dc__> maybe there should be a web service.
  302. [21:55:42] <dc__> that could solve it
  303. [21:55:42] <pnhChris> and domains lapse and get bought by spammers
  304. [21:55:46] <dc__> right
  305. [21:55:55] <dc__> so you just have an id, and you can change your info
  306. [21:56:01] <dc__> but then that's back to central server
  307. [21:56:01] <dc__> heh
  308. [21:56:05] <pnhChris> right
  309. [21:56:08] <pnhChris> heh
  310. [21:56:20] * dc__ needs to find solute :/
  311. [21:56:23] <dc__> *solution
  312. [21:56:36] <pnhChris> its workable
  313. [21:56:41] <dc__> hrm
  314. [21:56:47] <pnhChris> i mean microid is
  315. [21:56:49] <dc__> ah ok
  316. [21:56:52] <dc__> yeh
  317. [21:56:54] <pnhChris> i'm just not sure its the end
  318. [21:56:55] <dc__> I think I'll have to use it
  319. [21:57:08] <dc__> otherwise if I print lists of other peoples xfn lists
  320. [21:57:09] <dc__> myself.
  321. [21:57:17] <dc__> I'll find my site as the one with the most friends :/
  322. [21:57:38] <dc__> I'm quite fond of the idea of xfn links inside hcards
  323. [21:58:02] <dc__> and you could event put xfn links inside an hreview or hevent to signify attendance
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