IRC Log for #microformats on 2006-07-07
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pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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- [01:58:06] <tantek>
greetings
- [01:58:08] <tantek>
briansuda in the house?
- [02:00:03] <tantek>
found a bug with NOTE property handling. X2V doesn't appear to escape ";" chars in the NOTE field, and thus when importing into Address Book (and perhaps other implementations), the field value terminates at the first ";" in the content
- [02:00:13] <tantek>
may be a problem with other properties as well
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- [02:04:16] <briansuda>
tantek, i'll have a look. Good catch. I think i am escaping ; everywhere else, i must have introduced that error when i concatenate them together
- [02:05:36] <tantek>
the example I saw only had a single "note" element BTW
- [02:06:57] <briansuda>
do you have a link?
- [02:08:13] <tantek>
http://theatermitu.org/company/acelik.html
- [02:10:47] <briansuda>
ok, several things are happening... it is interesting that X2V grabbed the HTML code that is commented out. I'll have to look into avoiding that! and it looks like it IS escape SOME of the ;'s so i'll look into why not all of them?
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remi is Remi Prevost, a web developper (yeah, that's how we spell "developer" in french) from Quebec and blogs about web stuff at <http://remiprevost.com/>
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pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
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- [03:15:17] <briansuda>
OK, i managed to get all the ';'s escaped. (http://suda.co.uk/projects/X2V/get-vcard.php?uri=http%3A//theatermitu.org/company/acelik.html) i still need to look into removing the HTML comments
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mlinksva is Mike Linksvayer and from Creative Commons
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- [03:54:40] * tantek is having UTF8 problems with his last name and hCard->vCard->AddressBook 4.0.3
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- [03:56:31] * briansuda remembers problems with that version. Somewhere in the preferences there is a setting for Encodings. He also vaguely remembers that is why we had a BOM for UTF-16
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- [04:07:44] <tantek>
hmm...
- [04:07:49] <tantek>
yeah, there is a setting
- [04:08:51] <briansuda>
the CHARSET=UTF-8 in the .vcf should take precedence
- [04:08:58] <tantek>
it should
- [04:10:42] <briansuda>
well, we managed to document alot of the issues, except the version number :) http://microformats.org/wiki/vcard-implementations
- [04:11:11] <tantek>
hmm.... changing the setting has no effect in 4.0.3
- [04:11:37] <tantek>
This appears to be a regression from the default Address Book in 10.3 to the default in 10.4
- [04:11:49] <briansuda>
if that is the version i remember, if you wanted proper UTF-8 you had to use UTF-16
- [04:12:01] <briansuda>
are you getting asian characters all over the place?
- [04:12:27] <tantek>
no
- [04:12:37] <tantek>
no, this used to work
- [04:13:05] <briansuda>
do you have a link, i'll see what it does in my version. maybe it is an hCard/X2V issue?
- [04:20:01] <tantek>
well, http://tantek.com/
- [04:20:10] <tantek>
the get vCard down at the bottom of the page
- [04:20:17] <tantek>
and I just found one that works
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- [04:21:46] <tantek>
http://www.vivabit.com/atmedia2006/speakers/
- [04:21:49] <briansuda>
that looks like an issue the the Technorati feed service. I ran the same link through the web service on my site and it works fine.
- [04:21:53] <tantek>
imports correctly
- [04:21:57] <tantek>
hmm...
- [04:21:58] <tantek>
ok
- [04:23:01] <briansuda>
is the technorati detecting the content-type the page is being served-up as? that is the only other thing i can think of... because the vCard output, when opened in a text editor is garbled, so it is not an Address book issue
- [04:24:13] <tantek>
it is?
- [04:24:19] <briansuda>
as well, they have escaped Ç as Ç
- [04:24:21] <tantek>
I thought I saw proper output
- [04:24:28] <tantek>
hmm...
- [04:24:36] <briansuda>
FN;LANGUAGE=tr;CHARSET=UTF-8:Tantek Çelik
- [04:25:13] <briansuda>
unless your text-editor was being "helpful" and setting the content-type to UTF-8? (or mine is being un-helpful and NOT)?
- [04:28:43] <tantek>
I see the corruption as well
- [04:28:54] <briansuda>
this link gives me a good vcard: http://suda.co.uk/projects/X2V/get-vcard.php?uri=http%3A//tantek.com/%23hcard
- [04:29:14] <briansuda>
so that leads me to think it is an issue on the feeds web service
- [04:30:28] <tantek>
yes, that appears to be
- [04:37:21] <tantek>
I have confirmed that the URL you gave provides a valid UTF8 .vcf stream, and that http://feeds.technorati.com/contacts/http%3A//tantek.com/%23hcard does not.
- [04:38:07] <briansuda>
I think i know some guys who work there, i can ask them to look into it ")
- [04:38:12] <briansuda>
:)
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Charl is Charl van Niekerk and writes about standards at http://standards.za.net/
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trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and helps with www.multipack.co.uk
- [08:31:51] <trovster>
http://friendlybit.com/html/current-issues-with-microformats/
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- [08:50:52] <KevinMarks>
namespace foofooraw
- [08:51:08] <KevinMarks>
and a stylistic nit about 8601
- [08:51:53] <KevinMarks>
20060621T1030-0700 can easily be 2006-06-21 10:30-0700
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commented
- [09:09:46] <trovster>
"I have not touched upon all the extra elements microformats add to the HTML" -- yeh, I didn't get that part...
- [09:12:44] <KevinMarks>
when he is going off into the weeds inventing meta randomness and suggesting using <ins> non-semantically...
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- [09:32:19] <drewinthehead>
morning
- [09:35:47] <trovster>
Mornin'
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gsnedders is a 14 year old idiot from Scotland and pretends to have a website at http://geoffers.uni.cc/
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edsu is Ed Summers from the Library of Congress <http://www.inkdroid.org>
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briansuda is brian suda of http://suda.co.uk/ and http://claimid.com/briansuda in his freetime he works on the X2V microformats parser (-0600 CST)
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pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
- [14:48:36] <drewinthehead>
hi pnhChris
- [14:48:47] <pnhChris>
hey there
- [14:48:53] <drewinthehead>
it's quiet in here today ... i think everyone must have that friday feeling
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- [14:52:57] <pnhChris>
yeah... i'm feeling it too
- [14:53:08] <pnhChris>
but i think i'm gonna be bombarded by mail and calls today
- [15:00:36] <drewinthehead>
i've just looked at http://microformats.org/about/ for the first time in a long while
- [15:01:35] <drewinthehead>
i don't think it really explains microformats to a total newbie, although it does put forward lots of important principals
- [15:01:37] <pnhChris>
yeah? wheels spinning on what can be changed?
- [15:01:42] <pnhChris>
yeah
- [15:02:07] <drewinthehead>
sure ... not one to find fault without offering to help ;)
- [15:02:09] <pnhChris>
came up a week or two ago.. i thought we needed one simple 'transform' highlighted
- [15:02:41] <pnhChris>
though I didn't have time to chase it more then that, and I don't think anyone else did either
- [15:02:49] <drewinthehead>
it's like it's missing its first paragraph
- [15:02:53] <pnhChris>
yeah
- [15:02:57] <pnhChris>
or a first illustration
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- [15:03:17] <pnhChris>
old contact info markup -> new contact info markup
- [15:03:22] <pnhChris>
or something simple and obvious
- [15:03:35] <pnhChris>
that just shows its "just" html
- [15:04:05] <pnhChris>
that was my take at least
- [15:04:59] <drewinthehead>
"Microformats are a way of attaching extra meaning to the information published on a web page. This extra semantic richness works alongside the information already presented, and can be used for the benefit of people and computers." -- or something roughly like that
- [15:05:51] <tantek>
drew - add that to http://microformats.org/wiki/what-are-microformats
- [15:06:30] <drewinthehead>
and something practical -- "This is mostly done through adding special pre-defined names to the class attribute of existing XHTML markup."
- [15:06:35] <drewinthehead>
tantek - will do
- [15:11:58] <mfbot>
[[what-are-microformats]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=what-are-microformats&diff=0&oldid=7174 * DrewMcLellan * (+458) Added suggestion from Drew McLellan
- [15:12:56] <drewinthehead>
done :)
- [15:13:02] <tantek>
thanks!
- [15:13:36] <tantek>
consider also adding something on why you think microformats are *useful* here: http://microformats.org/wiki/what-can-you-do-with-microformats
- [15:14:00] <tantek>
pnhChris, perhaps you can add your thought about a "simple transform" to that page as well
- [15:14:28] * pnhChris nods
- [15:16:40] <drewinthehead>
my primary interest in microformats today is to find a way to stop the incessant flow of wretched "Join my network on LinkedIn!" emails
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cgriego is Chris Griego (-06:00)
- [15:30:27] <DanC>
I hate the architecture that LinkedIn uses, but it has enough useful content that I participate regardless.
- [15:36:47] <drewinthehead>
what do you use it for, DanC?
- [15:38:01] <DanC>
getting in touch with former colleagues; e.g. I found out my old manager from Convex is editor of the Linux Journal
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and reflecting on professional goals and such
- [15:39:31] <drewinthehead>
do you find it adds value above what could be brought by a distributed system?
- [15:41:59] <DanC>
I'd like to see a distributed system that provided comparable value. But technology alone won't do it. It takes some pushing. Also, the access control issues are non-trivial. I don't know if people would be happy to put the same info in google-visible-space.
- [15:42:49] <tantek>
drew, I wanted to also point you to this page: http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-authoring
- [15:43:22] <tantek>
given your writings on the subject, I very much encourage you to edit and expand what is on that page (most of which I wrote in a quick pass)
- [15:44:14] <drewinthehead>
on the subject of names?
- [15:44:45] <tantek>
on the subject of adding hCards markup to existing contact info on pages
- [15:45:12] <drewinthehead>
ok, i'll give it some attention
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- [15:46:46] <drewinthehead>
DanC - i think one of the big advantages of a centralised system, in the context for human behaviour, is that it encourages people to post information
- [15:47:17] <tantek>
drew, I think that is simply a matter of the user-interface
- [15:47:28] <tantek>
not whether the backend data is centralized or decentralized
- [15:47:42] <drewinthehead>
a distributed system relies on the individual to seek the infrastructure required to publish
- [15:47:57] <tantek>
if there was a UI for WordPress that looked like LinkedIn (or Friendster or MySpace etc.), then it would get a lot more use as well
- [15:47:58] <DanC>
it does help to have some sort of market-maker; the technorati tags stuff shows that the data doesn't have to be centralized, though.
- [15:48:05] <drewinthehead>
i guess it depends at what level the distribution occurs
- [15:48:57] <tantek>
and part of this isn't about encouraging people to publish - people are already doing that on blogs more and more
- [15:49:10] <tantek>
but rather to tap into those existing publishing trends
- [15:49:12] <tantek>
and connect them
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- [15:50:40] <DanC>
linkedin also provides a referall service, where if I'm connected to A, and A is connected to B, but I'm not connected to B, I can ask A to relay a request to B. I've never used that, though. And it's not clear to me that it's any better than plain old email.
- [15:52:01] <drewinthehead>
on the publishing point, my perception is that there are significantly more people (e.g. in the business word) who would happy maintain a profile on something like LinkedIn than would ever entertain the idea (have the desire for, or feel the need) to publish a blog or personal site
- [15:52:11] <drewinthehead>
LinkedIn also has endorsements, doesn't it?
- [15:52:24] <drewinthehead>
XFN+hReview? :)
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- [15:53:14] <drewinthehead>
or event XFN+hCalendar+hReview
- [15:53:29] <drewinthehead>
'even', rather
- [15:55:15] <DanC>
really, drewinthehead? The only reason I think people prefer LinkedIn for maintaining a profile is UI stuff. People don't traditionally outsource maintenance of their resume.
- [15:56:10] <DanC>
UI stuff meaning... currently, you have to be a geek to figure out the benefits of having your own domain (a la phone number portability).
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- [15:57:58] * DanC doesn't get claimID; what the world chooses to believe about you is not, ultimately, up to you
- [15:59:06] <DanC>
"ClaimID is about letting you have some say in what search engines say about you." huh? how does it affect google search results?
- [15:59:34] <briansuda>
i agree, but i think they are attempting to pull together alot of those distributed profiles all under one roof, the problem is, you get to pick what's in and what's out
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- [16:00:26] <DanC>
in what way do I get to pick? how does claimID help me actually influence what searchers learn about me?
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- [16:01:15] <drewinthehead>
I think they intend for you to link to your claimID page with your name, so that it becomes more likely to show up
- [16:01:17] <DanC>
and why should I outsource this to claimid? Why not just build a reputation the old fashion way (a la http://www.w3.org/People/Connolly/ and http://dm93.org/byDan )
- [16:01:56] <briansuda>
not so much about searches, i was referring to the comment before that, you choose what goes into your profile (aka none of the bad stuff), people will still believe what they want - it is not an independent list of links, it is biased
- [16:02:12] <tantek>
DanC, you can build your own "claimID" like thing on your own website using XFN identity consolidation: http://gmpg.org/xfn/and/#idconsolidation
- [16:02:41] <tantek>
claimID is for folks who don't have the facilities to do it themselves on their own site
- [16:03:16] * briansuda agrees, same as the old geocities pages
- [16:03:23] <tantek>
right
- [16:03:32] <drewinthehead>
same as linkedin could become ;)
- [16:03:33] <DanC>
right... "UI issues" for lack of a better term. If claimID were really good guys, they'd be offering to do this under my domain rather than theirs (using proxying or some such)
- [16:03:55] <drewinthehead>
like the old Blogger system
- [16:04:03] <DanC>
does anybody know which of the popular blog hosts -- GMTA --
- [16:04:22] <DanC>
-- which of the popular blogging hosts will sell me a blog.dm93.org service?
- [16:06:35] <tantek>
yes, the old blogger system of letting you use blogger on your own site was very smart
- [16:06:48] <tantek>
that's a model that all these other services could learn from
- [16:07:46] <tantek>
e.g. I would love if I could use Flickr as a UI to my own photos on http://tantek.com/photos (not a real URL) rather than on flickr.com, or in addition to.
- [16:08:04] <DanC>
I'd definitely pay for that.
- [16:08:52] <pnhChris>
flickr api?
- [16:10:21] <pnhChris>
manage images with their interface, get the benefits of communtiy and other services (buying prints).. and then use the API for a presentation on your own end
- [16:10:26] * pnhChris shrugs
- [16:12:03] <DanC>
PITA factor too high. I just want to pay and have it work ;-)
- [16:12:20] <pnhChris>
well.. i didn't say you had to write the app
- [16:12:33] <pnhChris>
just that would be a good direction to take :P
- [16:12:34] <pnhChris>
for someone
- [16:16:54] * drewinthehead reflects that poor old Thomas Vander Wal is going to be turning up in all sorts of strange hCard-related documents in search results
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why is that drew?
- [16:25:46] <pnhChris>
you think he's gonna have a problem? how about this kid: http://dwb.heraldonline.com/24hour/weird/story/3325458p-12248062c.html
- [16:27:00] <AdamCraven>
haha, 6500 dong
- [16:27:08] <AdamCraven>
very good
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- [16:28:29] <drewinthehead>
tantek, TVW is becoming a common example for a two-word surname. I noticed it in hcard-authoring, have used it on my site as well, and he's in the test suite for implied-n optimisation :)
- [16:28:39] <tantek>
heh, yes, i see
- [16:29:06] <drewinthehead>
must try to see if i can find some known fictional characters with awkward names
- [16:29:08] <trovster>
Fined �0.30
- [16:30:39] <tantek>
drew, let's stick to only real world examples please
- [16:31:46] <drewinthehead>
lol :)
- [16:32:06] <pnhChris>
Hieronymus Karl Frederick Baron von Munchausen
- [16:32:08] <pnhChris>
:P
- [16:33:08] <drewinthehead>
http://allinthehead.com/demo/hcard/best-guess.php?name=Hieronymus+Karl+Frederick+Baron+von+Munchausen
- [16:34:11] <pnhChris>
that doesn't look too good ;)
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- [16:36:38] <pnhChris>
i didn't say i expected it to look right
- [16:37:21] <pnhChris>
just first "von" fictional name i thought of
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- [16:41:34] <drewinthehead>
i was thinking of slapping a JSON interface on the best-guess machine, just for fun
- [16:42:27] <tantek>
sure, why not?
- [16:42:47] <briansuda>
pnhChris, it's not fictional
- [16:45:42] <pnhChris>
well, no, i guess technically not
- [16:45:45] <pnhChris>
tough it came to mind as such
- [16:46:08] <pnhChris>
movie on my brain / shelves
- [16:46:36] <trovster>
http://kitchen.technorati.com/event/search/multipack why is that giving 'event' for http://www.multipack.co.uk/ ?
- [16:47:54] <drewinthehead>
trovster: you've got a big 'next event' box right in the middle of the page
- [16:48:05] <drewinthehead>
with a vevent inside it
- [16:48:19] <tantek>
trovster, that means it was unable to find the event "summary"
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- [16:49:12] <trovster>
I repinged it today, and it's taking 'Summary' from <dt class="fli vcard_summary">Event:</dt>
- [16:50:25] <trovster>
And 'Location' is taking from <dt class="vcard_location vcard_adr">Location:</dt>
- [16:50:41] <drewinthehead>
as an aside, i'm not sure underscores are safe in class names
- [16:50:47] <trovster>
Sure they are.
- [16:51:01] <drewinthehead>
although that may be an CSS issue, more than anything
- [16:51:18] <drewinthehead>
i'm trying to remember which browser it effects
- [16:51:30] <drewinthehead>
affects :)
- [16:51:31] <trovster>
http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/types.html#type-name
- [16:51:45] <drewinthehead>
oh sure, they're valid, but not real-world safe
- [16:51:58] <trovster>
That's not the issue here, the issue is parsing
- [16:52:14] <drewinthehead>
agreed, an aside, as i said :)
- [16:54:00] <drewinthehead>
so if you were to change those class names and reping, does that stop the false-positives?
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mlinksva is Mike Linksvayer and from Creative Commons
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- [16:56:10] <trovster>
I've never had a problem with underscores in id/class names, and they're valid in HTML and CSS, so, it's not me, it's the parser
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- [16:57:16] <drewinthehead>
sure, it's the parser. totally agree
- [16:57:54] <drewinthehead>
don't mind me, i'm well old skool ... i've got browser bugs from years back still ingrained in my memory
- [16:58:05] <trovster>
heh, fair enough.
- [16:58:09] <briansuda>
have you tried to download that event? it downloads it correctly, but has an error (not well formed)
- [16:58:26] <briansuda>
it doesn't look like feeds.technorati is TIDY'ing the input
- [16:58:52] <trovster>
Also, on http://microformats.org/wiki/hCalendar#Examples_in_the_wild 'dtstart/dtend are implemented on em element Tom Armitage June 23, 2006' (em and span)
- [16:59:05] <trovster>
However, 'This specification recommends that such <abbr> elements be used for the following iCalendar properties: DTSTART' -- recommends, not requires.
- [16:59:50] <trovster>
Where is it getting 8th July from!
- [16:59:57] <briansuda>
right, if it is an ABBR then parsers should look to the @title attribute, otherwise just use the node value, if that node-value is valid ISO, then there is nothing to worry about
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error 4: not well-formed (invalid token) -> This Page Is Valid HTML 4.01 Strict!
- [17:01:23] <briansuda>
don't shoot the messanger
- [17:01:32] <trovster>
I ain't :)
- [17:03:04] <trovster>
Changed to abbr, and repinged, but it don't like the vcard_summary class still, how annoying.
- [17:05:00] <briansuda>
they are just doing a free-text search, so "event" or "Summary" can be anywhere in the page, NOT just in the microformat portion... then if microformats are present it is displayed the search results
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knocking off time for me ... back in an hour or so
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kingryan, i can't seem to find the wiki page about hCard singleton properties... does anyone have the link? i want to make a test case
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http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-singular-properties
- [18:10:40] <briansuda>
that's the one! thanks hober
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- [18:11:58] <hober>
np
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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cgriego is Chris Griego (-06:00)
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?learn cgriego is a front-end developer at RD2, Inc.
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cgriego is Chris Griego (-06:00) and a front-end developer at RD2, Inc.
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?learn Jedi_ is Jedi <http://Jedi.org/> (+08:00) and working at Creative Commons Taiwan <http://creativecommons.org.tw/>
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Jedi_ is Jedi <http://Jedi.org/> (+08:00) and working at Creative Commons Taiwan <http://creativecommons.org.tw/>
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Atamido: http://rwgusa.net/com_do.htm # I randomly googled.
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drewinthehead is Drew McLellan - watch him, he's tricky.
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Jedi_: I don't want .com.do ;)
- [20:18:20] <Jedi_>
Atamido: it seems that you can choose .do from drop-down menu at that page
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Only the first drop down, not the second.
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- [20:23:34] <Jedi_>
ok
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//pat
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:p
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- [20:48:43] <Hixie>
the most common syntax error in HTML documents according to a survey of about a billion documents is... missing doctype (about 50%).
- [20:48:46] <Hixie>
-_-
- [20:49:16] <Hixie>
the most common non-DOCTYPE-related syntax error in HTML documents in the same survey is... using the "/>" syntax.
- [20:50:10] <Hixie>
nearly one tenth of all documents surveyed had a <style> element not in the <head>
- [20:50:13] <Hixie>
how depressing
- [20:51:01] <Hixie>
5% of all files surveyed had an </embed> end-tag
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i thought there _was_ no </embed> end-tag?!
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- [20:57:18] <Hixie>
i don't mean the <embed> start tag
- [20:57:23] <Hixie>
which was indeed a netscape invention
- [20:57:42] <briansuda>
Hixie, are these new results/data or just a rehash of the older results?
- [20:57:55] <Hixie>
new data
- [20:58:17] <Hixie>
(not good data, either)
- [20:58:20] <briansuda>
can we expect another big write-up then?
- [20:58:37] <Hixie>
i have every intention of making further write-ups
- [20:58:43] <Hixie>
when they'll actually be done, i have no idea!
- [20:58:52] <briansuda>
still it should be interesting to see.
- [20:58:58] <Hixie>
yup
- [20:59:54] <Hixie>
mostly this time i had two things in mind to check: what format i should use for the <t>/<time>/<date>/<datetime> element (whatever we call it), and whether or not the html5 parser spec works
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is there any consensus?
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on the DateTime that is
- [21:01:12] <Hixie>
"HH:MM" seems to be used on 2% of pages that have a <date>, <time>, <datetime>, class="date", class="time", or class="datetime" element.
- [21:01:27] <Hixie>
next most common is "00-00-0000, 00:00 AA"
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followed by "00:00 AA", "00-00-0000, 00:00", and "0.00.0000, 00:00"
- [21:02:03] <briansuda>
is there anyway to tell if that is MM-DD-YYYY or DD-MM-YYYY?
- [21:02:06] <Hixie>
no
- [21:03:08] <briansuda>
what about if you put those into three possible buckets? one unknown, one where the first two digits are greater than 12, and one where the second set of digits is over 12.
- [21:03:30] <Hixie>
yeah, i'm looking at that now
- [21:03:40] <briansuda>
atleast you MIGHT be able to get some ratio between two and then use those percentage on the larger unknown pool
- [21:03:43] <Hixie>
trying to distinguish them from "00:00" is the hard part
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- [21:08:06] <Hixie>
what's interesting is that only 0.1% of pages used the form "Aaa, 00 Aaa, 00:00"
- [21:08:11] <Hixie>
(2% used 00:00)
- [21:09:14] <Hixie>
and only 0.09% used "Aaaaa 00, 0000"
- [21:09:33] <Hixie>
although i guess that's bad data
- [21:09:39] <Hixie>
since other months have different lengths
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- [21:59:44] <pnhChris>
so who has a handy feed with hcard or hcalendar markup in the post content?
- [22:00:24] <pnhChris>
mr. t does
- [22:00:39] <tantek>
Looks like the new beta.plazes.com supports hCard for wifi hotspots and user profiles
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for @media
- [22:00:51] <tantek>
pnhChris: http://tantek.com/updates.atom
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- [22:01:36] <tantek>
although to be specific, the hCalendar events from my Events Roll are actually in the field *as* entries themselves, rather than "in" the post content
- [22:01:49] <pnhChris>
not sure background-color:yellow is going to win any fans though :P
- [22:02:06] <pnhChris>
your blog had at least one event
- [22:02:16] <pnhChris>
from an older post
- [22:02:22] <tantek>
possible yes
- [22:03:49] <pnhChris>
i'll dummy up a test feed in a bit.. just needed soemthing quick to do a gut check with
- [22:05:37] <drewinthehead>
pnhChris: eventful.com should be a good source
- [22:06:41] <drewinthehead>
e.g. http://eventful.com/atom/events?q=web&l=london&t=next+week&c=
- [22:07:23] <drewinthehead>
i keep forgetting how good eventful's search is
- [22:08:13] <pnhChris>
oh, that was an hreview i found on tanteks blog
- [22:08:29] <pnhChris>
... of an event with no hcalendar ! :P
- [22:09:34] <pnhChris>
and yes.. thanks for the eventful pointer
- [22:09:40] <pnhChris>
looks good
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- [22:20:56] <pnhChris>
looks like ma.gnolia added some microid support
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<div class="vcard microid-a5e386d23018d97e0b91ba3c9f2020916563c9b1">
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<h1><img alt="placenamehere" class="photo" src="/avatars/1263_75.gif" />
- [22:22:12] <pnhChris>
<span class="fn">Chris Casciano</span> (placenamehere)
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</h1>
- [22:22:27] <pnhChris>
http://ma.gnolia.com/blog/2006/07/06/a-small-update && http://ma.gnolia.com/people/placenamehere
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- [22:29:41] <pnhChris>
too bad you can't generate links with generated content
- [22:42:26] <tantek>
pnhChris, I'll put some more hCards in my feed for you soon -- I'm reviewing some businesses I patronized over the past couple of days here in NYC.
- [22:46:18] <pnhChris>
great
- [22:54:08] <pnhChris>
hmmm
- [22:55:40] <pnhChris>
there aren't any combined hcard/hcalendar extraction facilities out there, are there? or are they all explictly one or the other (e.g. technorati)
- [22:56:24] <tantek>
what would such a combined extraction facility DO?
- [22:56:39] <pnhChris>
give you whatevers in the page...
- [22:56:52] <tantek>
that's called HTTP ;)
- [22:57:02] <tantek>
GET in particular :P
- [22:57:31] <pnhChris>
to allow for an interface where one doesn't have to pick what xsl proxy to send the file to
- [22:57:53] <tantek>
defining something in terms of a negative still doesn't define it
- [22:58:11] <tantek>
and you have to define it before it can exist ;)
- [23:00:29] <pnhChris>
i just want to create a single bookmarklet like device that someone can hit to pull whatever microformat data is on a page rather then one for each data type which is more typical
- [23:00:30] <bewest>
hmm
- [23:00:48] <pnhChris>
though I can just write the logic to say "which ones are here" before passing it off to the parser
- [23:01:43] <pnhChris>
.. otherwise I need to have my presentation / alert that microformats exist convey which ones are there
- [23:01:55] <tantek>
pnhChris, why would they "pull whatever microformat data is on the page"? what's the end result that is expected?
- [23:01:59] <tantek>
how does it benefit the user?
- [23:02:05] <pnhChris>
so a user doesn't say 'hey theres a microformat here' and try and fail to pull out a hcal
- [23:02:25] <tantek>
again, defining in terms of negatives - not helpful
- [23:02:43] <tantek>
what would the *positive* experience of using such a bookmarklet/favelet be?
- [23:03:28] * bewest is working on that kind of thing
- [23:03:46] <bewest>
I call it deduced visualization of semantic markup using interactive interfaces
- [23:03:56] <bewest>
one interface is one that allows you manage disparate lists of things
- [23:03:59] <pnhChris>
inside NNW... when reading a feed i'm starting to look at ways to both identify/highlight that hcard and or hcalendar data is in the app.. with the ultimate goal of allowing a user to extract that data if they'd like to import into eithr ical or address book
- [23:04:03] <bewest>
such as doctors, products et cet...
- [23:04:14] <bewest>
allows a user to pull out the common things in several lists
- [23:04:52] <bewest>
another would be something like http://simile.mit.edu/timeline + google finance charts in order to interface with hcalendars et al...
- [23:05:09] <bewest>
another is putting hcards on a map automatically
- [23:05:10] <pnhChris>
and in that sitauation i was looking for a clean, though direct way to both identify the items and provide some ui to pull it.. but i don't have a lot of UI options
- [23:06:19] <bewest>
"pull it"?
- [23:06:28] <bewest>
what does pulling it do?
- [23:06:55] <pnhChris>
"allowing a user to extract that data if they'd like to import into eithr ical or address book"
- [23:07:43] <bewest>
ah
- [23:07:46] <pnhChris>
extracting it either directly from the entry or pulling it from the web page through a proxy.. dunno. haven't gotten that far yet.. just looking at what my options are both from the parser side and the NNW/frontend side
- [23:07:50] <bewest>
is it useful in an address book?
- [23:08:06] <bewest>
that just does more storage
- [23:08:19] <pnhChris>
if someones hcard is in a feed content area why would it be less useful then in the content of the same post on a web page?
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- [23:08:52] <pnhChris>
not sure i understand your question there
- [23:11:50] <bewest>
so you are looking to implement something where you copy an hcard off a web page and paste it into your addressbook?
- [23:12:13] <pnhChris>
just looking to have some visual treatment (via styling of the html in the feed item's content) to identify when a microformat is use (hcard or hcalendar for now) and then looking for the options for how I can let a user act on that
- [23:13:17] <bewest>
oh
- [23:13:22] <pnhChris>
no.. i'm not trying to invent a new method of getting the vcard into address book or whatever
- [23:13:24] <bewest>
were you at barcamp?
- [23:13:29] <pnhChris>
no
- [23:13:45] <bewest>
there was a bit of a discussion about that
- [23:14:06] <bewest>
trying to decide what verbs would commonly apply to a given object... say an hcard
- [23:14:17] <bewest>
and how you would consistently make that affordance in a UI
- [23:15:34] <pnhChris>
i'm just looking for a simple solution.. and i'm not writing my own app here... just something via applescript or similar means to let people do with content in feed what they can do now with bookmarklets or something similar...
- [23:16:33] <pnhChris>
but i figured i'd ask if there were any parsers smarter about the parsing to provide soemthing smarter the "hit this bookmarklet to extract X and this different one to extract Y, and Z...
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- [23:17:36] <pnhChris>
i could, and probably will, do more inspection up front, but want to avoid having to shout "i have an hcard here" in order for a user would know what action to take
- [23:18:16] <bewest>
yeah
- [23:18:24] <bewest>
well, I think several people are thinking along the same lines
- [23:18:31] <bewest>
that the interaction with these things is the next stage
- [23:18:39] <bewest>
it's what I'm interested in :-)
- [23:18:39] <kingryan>
I just updated the hcalendar creator, can I get some compatibility testing: http://microformats.org/code/hcalendar/creator ?
- [23:18:47] <kingryan>
esp. winblowz browsers
- [23:19:11] <bewest>
and I think it'll come in the form of greasemonkey scripts/plugins for now
- [23:19:37] <pnhChris>
well, like my hatom subscript script I'm not expeciting to wind up with the be all and end all solution.. just something workable that people can look to for ideas or to access that data now
- [23:20:03] <pnhChris>
but theres no greasemonkey in non-gecko+xul apps
- [23:20:31] * pnhChris shrugs and runs off to rustle up dinner
- [23:20:38] <bewest>
ok..
- [23:20:43] <bewest>
the other thing that some people were thinking
- [23:20:52] <bewest>
is that service providers themselves would supply scripts that embed functionality
- [23:20:56] <bewest>
for instance
- [23:21:10] <bewest>
you know how google has exported their google map functionality through judicious javascript?
- [23:21:15] <bewest>
you could do the same thing...
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- [23:21:41] <bewest>
you could expose the certain verbs using a javascript API that embeds in an hcard or something
- [23:21:45] <bewest>
and provides functionality
- [23:21:57] <bewest>
in the same way that google maps is exported
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