IRC Log for #microformats on 2006-07-08
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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briansuda is brian suda of http://suda.co.uk/ and http://claimid.com/briansuda in his freetime he works on the X2V microformats parser (-0600 CST)
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[[xfn-implementations]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=xfn-implementations&diff=0&oldid=7175 * Josh * (-16) XFN Implementations -
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ryanlowe is Ryan Lowe, http://www.fanconcert.com
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[[parsing-microformats]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=parsing-microformats&diff=0&oldid=7176 * Josh * (+113) XSLT example -
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gsnedders is a 14 year old idiot from Scotland and pretends to have a website at http://geoffers.uni.cc/
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[[implementations-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=implementations-fr&diff=0&oldid=7177 * ChristopheDucamp * (+24) Nature Network Boston - add rel-tag
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[[xfolk-fr]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=xfolk-fr&diff=0&oldid=7178 * ChristopheDucamp * (+97) Beaucoup plus d'exemples - add groovy links
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[[xfolk-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=xfolk-fr&diff=0&oldid=7179 * ChristopheDucamp * (+3) Beaucoup plus d'exemples - typo
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[[what-are-microformats-fr]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=what-are-microformats-fr&diff=0&oldid=7180 * ChristopheDucamp * (+543) add translation : Drew McLellan quote
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[[parsing-microformats-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=parsing-microformats-fr&diff=0&oldid=7181 * ChristopheDucamp * (+130) Exemple XSLT -
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[[user-interface-fr]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=user-interface-fr&diff=0&oldid=7182 * ChristopheDucamp * (+542) [fr:sync translation with user-interface]
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[[stock-symbol-examples-fr]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/stock-symbol-examples-fr * ChristopheDucamp * (+2329) [fr: stock-symbol-examples]
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[[stock-symbol-examples-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=stock-symbol-examples-fr&diff=0&oldid=7183 * ChristopheDucamp * (+1) Le Problème - typo
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[[stock-symbol-examples-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=stock-symbol-examples-fr&diff=0&oldid=7184 * ChristopheDucamp * (+1) Le Problème - typo
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[[hreview-faq-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hreview-faq-fr&diff=0&oldid=7185 * ChristopheDucamp * (+4) Q&R - typo
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gsnedders is a 14 year old idiot from Scotland and pretends to have a website at http://geoffers.uni.cc/
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trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and helps with www.multipack.co.uk
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remi is Remi Prevost, a web developper (yeah, that's how we spell "developer" in french) from Quebec and blogs about web stuff at <http://remiprevost.com/>
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[[vcard-implementations-fr]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/vcard-implementations-fr * ChristopheDucamp * (+4673) [french translation to be reviewed]
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pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
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[[vcard-errata-fr]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/vcard-errata-fr * ChristopheDucamp * (+2306) [fr:vcard errata - to be reviewed]
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[[vcard-errata-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=vcard-errata-fr&diff=0&oldid=7186 * ChristopheDucamp * (+0) 2.2 Predefined Type Parameter Usage -
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briansuda is brian suda of http://suda.co.uk/ and http://claimid.com/briansuda in his freetime he works on the X2V microformats parser (-0600 CST)
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remi is Remi Prevost, a web developper (yeah, that's how we spell "developer" in french) from Quebec and blogs about web stuff at <http://remiprevost.com/>
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mlinksva is Mike Linksvayer and from Creative Commons
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briansuda is brian suda of http://suda.co.uk/ and http://claimid.com/briansuda in his freetime he works on the X2V microformats parser (-0600 CST)
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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[[hcalendar]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar&diff=0&oldid=7187 * TraumaXP * (+680) Added example for the Fuckparade, a counter demonstration to the Love Parade in Berlin.
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[[hcard]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=7188 * TraumaXP * (+315) Addes Learning the World and Fuckparade websites
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gsnedders is a 14 year old idiot from Scotland and pretends to have a website at http://geoffers.uni.cc/
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gsnedders is a 14 year old idiot from Scotland and pretends to have a website at http://geoffers.uni.cc/
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drewinthehead is Drew McLellan - watch him, he's tricky.
- [20:30:55] <tantek>
hey drew
- [20:31:53] <drewinthehead>
hey tantek
- [20:32:28] <tantek>
i've been thinking more about the whole "turn a single string in a structured name" algorithm/heuristic, and I think with all that we came up with, it is worth documenting on its own page
- [20:32:58] <drewinthehead>
ok
- [20:33:04] <tantek>
in fact, with all the breakthrough work being done on interfaces to both author, publish, and display hCards, I think it is deserving of its own wiki page
- [20:33:37] <tantek>
how about http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-user-interface ?
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what do you think?
- [20:34:15] <tantek>
because really, the algorithm is being driven by a user interface need to stick with a single form field for entering a name (e.g. for blog comments)
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and I've always like the UI focus/perspective personally
- [20:35:00] <drewinthehead>
i guess that works - the type of page would transfer well to other microformats too, so why not
- [20:35:06] <tantek>
ok, cool
- [20:35:42] <tantek>
take a crack at starting it, with a section on "single input field for names" (or something similar)
- [20:35:46] <gsnedders>
wouldn't it apply to anywhere where you take a name as input?
- [20:35:51] <gsnedders>
not just hCards
- [20:35:58] <tantek>
not really gsnedders
- [20:36:06] <tantek>
the algorithm is very specific to hCard's structured N field
- [20:36:25] <tantek>
it may be useful for other purposes too, but the primary purpose is for hCard
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- [20:36:39] * gsnedders doesn't have a clue what the algorithm is, so what he's saying maybe completely irrelevent
- [20:37:00] <drewinthehead>
in most other cases, where names are used they're hCards anyway, gsnedders
- [20:37:03] <tantek>
gsnedders, wait for drew's first draft on http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-user-interface and then follow along as it is updated
- [20:37:07] <tantek>
good point drew
- [20:37:21] <gsnedders>
drewinthehead: yeah, I'm aware of that
- [20:37:27] <tantek>
let's link to it from both /wiki/hcard and /wiki/user-interface
- [20:37:35] <tantek>
bbiab
- [20:37:47] <drewinthehead>
cool.
- [20:38:00] <gsnedders>
drewinthehead: but I was also thinking as for using the algo to parse names into parts, even when you're not taking it into a microformat
- [20:38:01] <drewinthehead>
gsnedders: the concept is currently outlined here: http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-brainstorming#Ambiguous_name_componants
- [20:38:33] <drewinthehead>
i guess yeah, it could be used in other places, but we only care about microformats :)
- [20:38:40] <tantek>
if you're parsing names into parts, you probably should be using hCard for your app
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- [20:39:06] <gsnedders>
tantek: and if you care about this algo, you'll probably know what an hCard is
- [20:39:17] <drewinthehead>
right
- [20:39:27] <gsnedders>
which is why we only care about microformats.
- [20:39:52] <drewinthehead>
plus we're not trying to solve the entire world's problems all at once :)
- [20:39:56] <gsnedders>
:)
- [20:40:11] <gsnedders>
I'm a bit confused by 3.1 - is it looking for double-barrel names?
- [20:40:19] <drewinthehead>
here's an attempt to codify the algorithm: http://allinthehead.com/demo/hcard/best-guess.php
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- [20:40:48] <drewinthehead>
3.1 is trying to simply deal with known special cases
- [20:41:10] <drewinthehead>
as it happens, i've not attempted 3.1 in my implementation
- [20:42:02] <drewinthehead>
back shortly ... got some chores to do :)
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
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Atamido is Paul Bryson, http://orangeman.commo.de/
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[[hcard-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=7189 * DrewMcLellan * (+0) Ambiguous name components - - typos
- [21:49:21] <tantek>
drew, now that I look at more the hCard properties, I'm realizing that another candidate for implied structural parsing is "tel"
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for figuring out types?
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[[buttons/]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/buttons/ * Don * (+415)
- [21:56:17] <mfbot>
[[buttons/]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=buttons/&diff=0&oldid=7190 * Don * (+25)
- [21:56:51] <tantek>
yes, for types, but also for international callling code parsing
- [21:57:09] <tantek>
oops
- [21:57:12] <tantek>
buttons/ vs. buttons
- [21:57:25] <tantek>
I wish MediaWiki would treat those as the same by default
- [21:57:59] <tantek>
yeah, my bad for sending Don to /wiki/buttons/ instead of /wiki/buttons
- [21:58:23] <mfbot>
[[buttons/]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=buttons/&diff=0&oldid=7191 * Tantek * (-423)
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[[buttons/]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=buttons/&diff=0&oldid=7192 * Tantek * (-1)
- [21:59:50] <mfbot>
[[buttons]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=buttons&diff=0&oldid=7193 * Tantek * (+459) moved Don Crowley's cool new button from buttons/ to buttons
- [22:00:36] <mfbot>
[[buttons/]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=buttons/&diff=0&oldid=7194 * Tantek * (+5)
- [22:00:46] <tantek>
ok, all cleaned up and redirect in place
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[[hcard-user-interface]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-user-interface * DrewMcLellan * (+1904) New page, first draft
- [22:07:08] <mfbot>
[[hcard-user-interface]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-user-interface&diff=0&oldid=7195 * Tantek * (+20)
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- [23:21:41] <tantek>
pnhChris, r u around?
- [23:22:06] <tantek>
could use your help with TextPattern based questions in #technorati
- [23:32:37] <pnhChris>
am now
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