IRC Log for #microformats on 2006-07-08

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  52. [08:57:11] <jibot> gsnedders is a 14 year old idiot from Scotland and pretends to have a website at http://geoffers.uni.cc/
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  57. [09:16:38] <mfbot> [[implementations-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=implementations-fr&diff=0&oldid=7177 * ChristopheDucamp * (+24) Nature Network Boston - add rel-tag
  58. [09:20:20] <mfbot> [[xfolk-fr]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=xfolk-fr&diff=0&oldid=7178 * ChristopheDucamp * (+97) Beaucoup plus d'exemples - add groovy links
  59. [09:22:46] <mfbot> [[xfolk-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=xfolk-fr&diff=0&oldid=7179 * ChristopheDucamp * (+3) Beaucoup plus d'exemples - typo
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  62. [09:27:17] <mfbot> [[what-are-microformats-fr]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=what-are-microformats-fr&diff=0&oldid=7180 * ChristopheDucamp * (+543) add translation : Drew McLellan quote
  63. [09:29:38] <mfbot> [[parsing-microformats-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=parsing-microformats-fr&diff=0&oldid=7181 * ChristopheDucamp * (+130) Exemple XSLT -
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  66. [09:35:19] <mfbot> [[user-interface-fr]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=user-interface-fr&diff=0&oldid=7182 * ChristopheDucamp * (+542) [fr:sync translation with user-interface]
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  71. [09:57:51] <mfbot> [[stock-symbol-examples-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=stock-symbol-examples-fr&diff=0&oldid=7183 * ChristopheDucamp * (+1) Le Problème - typo
  72. [09:58:37] <mfbot> [[stock-symbol-examples-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=stock-symbol-examples-fr&diff=0&oldid=7184 * ChristopheDucamp * (+1) Le Problème - typo
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  78. [10:27:44] <mfbot> [[hreview-faq-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hreview-faq-fr&diff=0&oldid=7185 * ChristopheDucamp * (+4) Q&R - typo
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  80. [10:48:36] <jibot> gsnedders is a 14 year old idiot from Scotland and pretends to have a website at http://geoffers.uni.cc/
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  82. [10:55:17] <jibot> trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and helps with www.multipack.co.uk
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  88. [14:43:56] <jibot> remi is Remi Prevost, a web developper (yeah, that's how we spell "developer" in french) from Quebec and blogs about web stuff at <http://remiprevost.com/>
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  91. [15:31:24] <mfbot> [[vcard-implementations-fr]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/vcard-implementations-fr * ChristopheDucamp * (+4673) [french translation to be reviewed]
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  93. [15:34:51] <jibot> pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
  94. [15:39:30] <mfbot> [[vcard-errata-fr]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/vcard-errata-fr * ChristopheDucamp * (+2306) [fr:vcard errata - to be reviewed]
  95. [15:39:56] <mfbot> [[vcard-errata-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=vcard-errata-fr&diff=0&oldid=7186 * ChristopheDucamp * (+0) 2.2 Predefined Type Parameter Usage -
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  98. [15:51:26] <jibot> briansuda is brian suda of http://suda.co.uk/ and http://claimid.com/briansuda in his freetime he works on the X2V microformats parser (-0600 CST)
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  102. [16:41:56] <jibot> remi is Remi Prevost, a web developper (yeah, that's how we spell "developer" in french) from Quebec and blogs about web stuff at <http://remiprevost.com/>
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  110. [17:33:28] <jibot> briansuda is brian suda of http://suda.co.uk/ and http://claimid.com/briansuda in his freetime he works on the X2V microformats parser (-0600 CST)
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  117. [18:29:07] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  119. [18:32:57] <mfbot> [[hcalendar]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar&diff=0&oldid=7187 * TraumaXP * (+680) Added example for the Fuckparade, a counter demonstration to the Love Parade in Berlin.
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  123. [18:57:13] <jibot> gsnedders is a 14 year old idiot from Scotland and pretends to have a website at http://geoffers.uni.cc/
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  128. [19:34:45] <jibot> gsnedders is a 14 year old idiot from Scotland and pretends to have a website at http://geoffers.uni.cc/
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  131. [20:24:53] <jibot> drewinthehead is Drew McLellan - watch him, he's tricky.
  132. [20:30:55] <tantek> hey drew
  133. [20:31:53] <drewinthehead> hey tantek
  134. [20:32:28] <tantek> i've been thinking more about the whole "turn a single string in a structured name" algorithm/heuristic, and I think with all that we came up with, it is worth documenting on its own page
  135. [20:32:58] <drewinthehead> ok
  136. [20:33:04] <tantek> in fact, with all the breakthrough work being done on interfaces to both author, publish, and display hCards, I think it is deserving of its own wiki page
  137. [20:33:37] <tantek> how about http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-user-interface ?
  138. [20:33:41] <tantek> what do you think?
  139. [20:34:15] <tantek> because really, the algorithm is being driven by a user interface need to stick with a single form field for entering a name (e.g. for blog comments)
  140. [20:34:33] <tantek> and I've always like the UI focus/perspective personally
  141. [20:35:00] <drewinthehead> i guess that works - the type of page would transfer well to other microformats too, so why not
  142. [20:35:06] <tantek> ok, cool
  143. [20:35:42] <tantek> take a crack at starting it, with a section on "single input field for names" (or something similar)
  144. [20:35:46] <gsnedders> wouldn't it apply to anywhere where you take a name as input?
  145. [20:35:51] <gsnedders> not just hCards
  146. [20:35:58] <tantek> not really gsnedders
  147. [20:36:06] <tantek> the algorithm is very specific to hCard's structured N field
  148. [20:36:25] <tantek> it may be useful for other purposes too, but the primary purpose is for hCard
  149. [20:36:36] * tantek going to go grab some lunch
  150. [20:36:39] * gsnedders doesn't have a clue what the algorithm is, so what he's saying maybe completely irrelevent
  151. [20:37:00] <drewinthehead> in most other cases, where names are used they're hCards anyway, gsnedders
  152. [20:37:03] <tantek> gsnedders, wait for drew's first draft on http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-user-interface and then follow along as it is updated
  153. [20:37:07] <tantek> good point drew
  154. [20:37:21] <gsnedders> drewinthehead: yeah, I'm aware of that
  155. [20:37:27] <tantek> let's link to it from both /wiki/hcard and /wiki/user-interface
  156. [20:37:35] <tantek> bbiab
  157. [20:37:47] <drewinthehead> cool.
  158. [20:38:00] <gsnedders> drewinthehead: but I was also thinking as for using the algo to parse names into parts, even when you're not taking it into a microformat
  159. [20:38:01] <drewinthehead> gsnedders: the concept is currently outlined here: http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-brainstorming#Ambiguous_name_componants
  160. [20:38:33] <drewinthehead> i guess yeah, it could be used in other places, but we only care about microformats :)
  161. [20:38:40] <tantek> if you're parsing names into parts, you probably should be using hCard for your app
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  163. [20:39:06] <gsnedders> tantek: and if you care about this algo, you'll probably know what an hCard is
  164. [20:39:17] <drewinthehead> right
  165. [20:39:27] <gsnedders> which is why we only care about microformats.
  166. [20:39:52] <drewinthehead> plus we're not trying to solve the entire world's problems all at once :)
  167. [20:39:56] <gsnedders> :)
  168. [20:40:11] <gsnedders> I'm a bit confused by 3.1 - is it looking for double-barrel names?
  169. [20:40:19] <drewinthehead> here's an attempt to codify the algorithm: http://allinthehead.com/demo/hcard/best-guess.php
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  171. [20:40:48] <drewinthehead> 3.1 is trying to simply deal with known special cases
  172. [20:41:10] <drewinthehead> as it happens, i've not attempted 3.1 in my implementation
  173. [20:42:02] <drewinthehead> back shortly ... got some chores to do :)
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  177. [20:49:13] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  188. [21:31:13] <jibot> pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
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  190. [21:32:52] <jibot> Atamido is Paul Bryson, http://orangeman.commo.de/
  191. [21:41:25] <mfbot> [[hcard-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=7189 * DrewMcLellan * (+0) Ambiguous name components - - typos
  192. [21:49:21] <tantek> drew, now that I look at more the hCard properties, I'm realizing that another candidate for implied structural parsing is "tel"
  193. [21:51:54] <drewinthehead> for figuring out types?
  194. [21:52:16] <mfbot> [[buttons/]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/buttons/ * Don * (+415)
  195. [21:56:17] <mfbot> [[buttons/]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=buttons/&diff=0&oldid=7190 * Don * (+25)
  196. [21:56:51] <tantek> yes, for types, but also for international callling code parsing
  197. [21:57:09] <tantek> oops
  198. [21:57:12] <tantek> buttons/ vs. buttons
  199. [21:57:25] <tantek> I wish MediaWiki would treat those as the same by default
  200. [21:57:59] <tantek> yeah, my bad for sending Don to /wiki/buttons/ instead of /wiki/buttons
  201. [21:58:23] <mfbot> [[buttons/]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=buttons/&diff=0&oldid=7191 * Tantek * (-423)
  202. [21:58:39] <mfbot> [[buttons/]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=buttons/&diff=0&oldid=7192 * Tantek * (-1)
  203. [21:59:50] <mfbot> [[buttons]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=buttons&diff=0&oldid=7193 * Tantek * (+459) moved Don Crowley's cool new button from buttons/ to buttons
  204. [22:00:36] <mfbot> [[buttons/]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=buttons/&diff=0&oldid=7194 * Tantek * (+5)
  205. [22:00:46] <tantek> ok, all cleaned up and redirect in place
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  207. [22:03:37] <mfbot> [[hcard-user-interface]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-user-interface * DrewMcLellan * (+1904) New page, first draft
  208. [22:07:08] <mfbot> [[hcard-user-interface]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-user-interface&diff=0&oldid=7195 * Tantek * (+20)
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  210. [22:14:56] <jibot> remi is Remi Prevost, a web developper (yeah, that's how we spell "developer" in french) from Quebec and blogs about web stuff at <http://remiprevost.com/>
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  214. [22:56:22] <jibot> BenjaminCarlyle is http://soundadvice.id.au/blog/, GMT 1000
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  216. [23:09:45] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  218. [23:21:41] <tantek> pnhChris, r u around?
  219. [23:22:06] <tantek> could use your help with TextPattern based questions in #technorati
  220. [23:32:37] <pnhChris> am now
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