IRC Log for #microformats on 2006-08-02
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- [00:05:41] * tantek is starting to realize he wants a blog post editing interface that resembles a wiki editing interface.
- [00:06:16] <KevinMarks>
you mean markdown?
- [00:06:27] <pnhChris>
in what way?
- [00:06:54] <tantek>
markdown like is one thing (though roundtripping would be necessary for that to really be supported)
- [00:07:20] <tantek>
pnhChris, in terms of things as stupid and simple as accesskey="p" for preview
- [00:07:36] <tantek>
and accesskey="e" for edit
- [00:07:52] <bewest>
you edit in the browser?
- [00:07:57] <pnhChris>
i have in the back of my mind to hack / subvert textile and meld it with a db interface for stuff like links in a wiki-ish fashion
- [00:08:01] <bewest>
I can't stand using the browser's text editors
- [00:08:20] <tantek>
bewest, yes, all my microformats.org wiki edits are in the browser
- [00:08:25] <tantek>
i've even done it from my blackberry
- [00:08:56] <pnhChris>
but that's waaay down the list of things i might want to hack at
- [00:09:11] <tantek>
the key difference i think is this - wiki interfaces are much closer to wysiwyg and direct manipulation than blogging interfaces
- [00:09:20] <bewest>
I inevitabley hit ctrl-[ which evidently is synonymous with hitting "back" and typically loses everything I just worked on
- [00:09:42] <tantek>
blogging interfaces typically provide a completely *separate* hierarchical outline of the "stuff" on your blog (posts, profile etc.) in the editing system for you to navigate
- [00:10:03] <tantek>
bewest, that can be solved with some javascript
- [00:10:15] <tantek>
that asks you are sure you want to navigate away
- [00:10:19] <tantek>
pbwiki.com already solved that
- [00:11:12] <bewest>
could also be solved via embedded vim
- [00:11:23] <pnhChris>
my desires are less immediate behavior and more in being smart about hypertext writing
- [00:12:32] <pnhChris>
... years after starting the site i'm still creating links to my flickr account (or other places) from scratch
- [00:13:28] <pnhChris>
and though i don't like wiki words per say, some combination of that idea and textile/markdown might be interesting to try
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- [00:20:51] <tantek>
i'm more annoyed with the lack of direct manipulation and parallel navigation that most blogging tool UIs have
- [00:21:05] <tantek>
huge steps backwards in UI design
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- [00:45:39] <mfbot>
[[process-brainstorming]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/process-brainstorming * Tantek * (+3840) first draft and thoughts on prevent the negative vs. enable the positive
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[[process]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=process&diff=0&oldid=7924 * Tantek * (+44)
- [00:51:58] <KevinMarks>
I've heard process describes as 'a history of frozen mistakes'
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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briansuda is brian suda of http://suda.co.uk/ and http://claimid.com/briansuda in his freetime he works on the X2V microformats parser (-0600 CST)
- [03:49:40] <mfbot>
[[to-do]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=to-do&diff=0&oldid=7925 * Heretic * (+93) [[hcard|hCard]] -
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\quit
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Enric is a media Software Developer and Videoblogger located at http://www.cirne.com
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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- [07:28:02] <jibot>
drewinthehead is the author of hKit
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- [07:32:33] <jibot>
Enric is a media Software Developer and Videoblogger located at http://www.cirne.com
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trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and helps with www.multipack.co.uk
- [08:02:20] <drewinthehead>
mornin' trovster
- [08:02:26] <trovster>
Mornin'
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- [08:22:57] <trovster>
drewinthehead: Looks like there is a rival geek (in the park) event down nearer you on the same day now :@
- [08:23:18] <drewinthehead>
as if there weren't enough things happening that weekend already :)
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mn_francis is a web developer for Yahoo! Europe; http://cackhanded.net/ is his personal site
- [09:41:37] <mfbot>
[[rel-tag-ja]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rel-tag-ja&diff=0&oldid=7926 * Vant * (+179) Tags Are Visible Metadata -
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- [09:56:31] <jibot>
bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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- [10:10:00] <McNulty>
morning
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- [10:15:31] <jibot>
bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
- [10:19:21] <drewinthehead>
morning McNulty
- [10:19:35] <drewinthehead>
(hi bergie, too)
- [10:19:49] <bergie>
hi
- [10:20:07] <bergie>
Colloquy is acting funnily, sometimes I see text, and sometimes I don't
- [10:21:41] <trovster>
Colloquy is really quite bad :(
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- [10:32:40] <jibot>
WildFox is Mr. KDOM. Co-author of kdom, ksvg and kcanvas.
- [10:33:24] <mn_francis>
bergie> try the latest colloquy beta? I found my text vanishing went away when I upgraded
- [10:34:28] <bergie>
I think I upgraded couple days ago... it used to be worse than it is now
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gsnedders is a 14 year old idiot from Scotland and pretends to have a website at http://geoffers.uni.cc/
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Charl is Charl van Niekerk and writes about standards at http://standards.za.net/
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- [12:08:23] <jibot>
drewinthehead is the author of hKit
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csarven is Sarven Capadisli and can be found online at http://www.csarven.ca
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Phae is Frances Berriman of http://www.fberriman.com/
- [12:24:28] <Phae>
afternoon.
- [12:25:42] <drewinthehead>
hi Phae
- [12:26:28] <Phae>
how's yahoo?
- [12:27:34] <drewinthehead>
extremely well air-conditioned. i have a jumper on :)
- [12:27:50] <Phae>
wow
- [12:28:19] <trovster>
Heh, air-con is great!
- [12:28:38] <Phae>
Our air-con sucks. Luckily today is cool.
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- [12:45:37] <Phae>
I'm actually getting to design today. I forgot how hard it is.
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- [12:54:53] <drewinthehead>
design? goodness. no one lets me near design
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- [12:55:50] <jibot>
bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
- [12:55:53] <Phae>
heh
- [12:56:20] <Phae>
You're a proper monkey though. I'm all front-end. They don't often let me do designs though (we have a design dept.)
- [12:57:29] <mn_francis>
I'm sure the air-con will break again within a week. Once the temperature outside goes up again.
- [12:58:14] <drewinthehead>
at which point i pledge to remove my jumper
- [12:58:20] <mn_francis>
steady
- [12:58:20] <trovster>
I was wondering what market there is for front-end developers (as in not designers)
- [12:58:30] <mn_francis>
that's all we have
- [12:58:40] <mn_francis>
unless someone has design skills, then we beat it out of them
- [12:58:50] <Phae>
heh
- [12:59:01] <trovster>
As in JUST HTML/CSS/JS
- [12:59:11] <Phae>
I'd do more design, but I'm honestly not that confident in coming up with a total magical design on my own
- [12:59:26] <Phae>
It's a skill I'm developing. I like CSS though, so I wouldn't want to stop it.
- [13:00:14] * drewinthehead likes markup
- [13:00:25] <Phae>
That too.
- [13:00:34] <Phae>
Or I wouldn't be diggin' the microformats, now would i?
- [13:00:35] <Phae>
:)
- [13:00:50] <trovster>
You got a spade then?
- [13:01:03] <Phae>
One or two. Always have a trowel in my handbag.
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- [13:04:11] <Phae>
trovster: I was going to say before I was an idiot that the market for front-end must be alright. We need one, and can't find out.
- [13:04:17] <Phae>
out* one.
- [13:04:25] * Phae has had 2 coffees in the last 20 minutes. Excuse.
- [13:04:46] <trovster>
eh?
- [13:05:04] <Phae>
As in, we need someone who just does CSS/XHTML, and can't find a decent body.
- [13:05:28] <trovster>
aha, posted on the MP forum?
- [13:05:46] <Phae>
No. I guess I could.
- [13:07:31] <trovster>
Indeed. Though, when I was leaving Creation, most of the people who applied were pretty bad.
- [13:08:04] <Phae>
Man. It scares me what some people get paid for.
- [13:08:16] <trovster>
And how little I get paid! :)
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- [13:08:51] <Phae>
heh
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ryanlowe is Ryan Lowe, http://www.fanconcert.com
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gsnedders is a 14 year old idiot from Scotland and pretends to have a website at http://geoffers.uni.cc/
- [13:20:45] <drewinthehead>
i think now that ryanking has pushed out some hReview tests, i've really now got no excuse for not tackling the hReview profile for hKit
- [13:21:38] <trovster>
No! That means you'll have done that before I launch my new site!
- [13:21:51] <drewinthehead>
i'm not saying it's going to be quick ;)
- [13:22:57] <trovster>
I have faith it'll be faster than my site! :)
- [13:23:00] <Phae>
heh
- [13:23:15] <Phae>
I wish I had a decent excuse to include hReview.
- [13:23:21] <trovster>
I have got some interesting source code for you to test iwth
- [13:23:55] <mn_francis>
Me too. hReview on movies is almost certainly broken
- [13:24:03] <drewinthehead>
all your code is interesting, trovster
- [13:24:22] <trovster>
Interesting good, interesting bad or interesting!
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- [13:24:29] <trovster>
http://paste.css-standards.org/1753/view wal-a!
- [13:25:34] <plaes>
um.. I still don't understand what should this paste show?
- [13:27:22] <trovster>
plaes: hAtom, hReview (with include), hCalendar, xFolk, adr, rel-tag, rel-license, rel-home, hCard...
- [13:27:53] <drewinthehead>
no geo? tut-tut
- [13:27:58] <Phae>
hah
- [13:28:00] <drewinthehead>
:P
- [13:28:33] <trovster>
Not yet, I copied that code from a competition which isn't using it, but final output will include it ;)
- [13:29:11] <drewinthehead>
needs more votelinks.
- [13:29:23] <trovster>
I don't get that one, tbh
- [13:30:03] <trovster>
ARGH damn SPAM
- [13:30:12] <drewinthehead>
it's showing a relationship between your page (a representation of you) and the one you're linking to
- [13:31:19] <trovster>
comments will have XFN, and if no XFN present, rel-nofollow
- [13:32:11] <Phae>
I keep wondering whether to add xfn. I'm not that into it.
- [13:32:25] <trovster>
Well, I wouldn't really link to a site I don't like, so they're all vote-for...
- [13:33:05] <drewinthehead>
you might, trovster. how about as part of a negative hReview of a bad pub?
- [13:34:02] <trovster>
I'n not reviewing pubs, only films! :) and I'll be linking to the imdb page of that film, which is simply informative, and not representative (aka bad) of the film I'm reviewing
- [13:36:06] <drewinthehead>
might you link to someone else's review of the film that you disagree with?
- [13:36:18] <trovster>
Nope.
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- [13:36:20] <jibot>
edsu is Ed Summers from the Library of Congress <http://www.inkdroid.org>
- [13:36:45] <drewinthehead>
looks like you don't have much use for votelinks then :)
- [13:37:02] <drewinthehead>
but there are plenty of places where they might be handy
- [13:37:39] <Phae>
Anyone recall what soft-return is in photoshop on PC?
- [13:37:44] <Phae>
Is it sad I only know it on a mac? :(
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- [13:48:08] <jibot>
pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
- [13:48:18] <pnhChris>
dats me
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dglazkov is Dimitri Glazkov (http://glazkov.com) and lives in Birmingham, AL, USA (-6:00 GMT)
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Pahe - shift-enter?
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[[user-interface]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=user-interface&diff=0&oldid=7927 * ChrisCasciano * (+194) added planning/discssion section + camino
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[[user-interface]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=user-interface&diff=0&oldid=7928 * ChrisCasciano * (+2)
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briansuda is brian suda of http://suda.co.uk/ and http://claimid.com/briansuda in his freetime he works on the X2V microformats parser (-0600 CST)
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cgriego is Chris Griego (-06:00) and a front-end developer at RD2, Inc.
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trovster: are you writing your own weblog system?
- [14:55:17] <trovster>
Yeh...
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mlinksva is Mike Linksvayer and from Creative Commons
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qid: Whysee?
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?
- [15:06:23] <trovster>
just wondering why you're interested whether I'm writing my own or not!
- [15:07:33] <qid>
seemed like you were putting in a lot of metadata and microformats support, was wondering if there was an existing weblog system that supported all that or could be hacked to support it
- [15:08:11] <trovster>
Heh, not that I know of, and I don't fancy hacking WordPress to do it, hence my own :)
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[[process-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=process-fr&diff=0&oldid=7930 * ChristopheDucamp * (+75)
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[[process-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=process-fr&diff=0&oldid=7932 * ChristopheDucamp * (-4) Proposez un Microformat -
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[[user-interface-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=user-interface-fr&diff=0&oldid=7933 * ChristopheDucamp * (+209)
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[[user-interface-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=user-interface-fr&diff=0&oldid=7934 * ChristopheDucamp * (-4) Plugins -
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[[user-interface-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=user-interface-fr&diff=0&oldid=7935 * ChristopheDucamp * (+16)
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[[directory-inclusion-examples-fr]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/directory-inclusion-examples-fr * ChristopheDucamp * (+1971)
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[[directory-inclusion-formats]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=directory-inclusion-formats&diff=0&oldid=7936 * ChristopheDucamp * (+333)
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drewinthehead is the author of hKit
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[[directory-inclusion-brainstorming-fr]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/directory-inclusion-brainstorming-fr * ChristopheDucamp * (+1864)
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[[directory-inclusion-formats]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=directory-inclusion-formats&diff=0&oldid=7937 * ChristopheDucamp * (-333) revert
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[[directory-inclusion-formats-fr]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/directory-inclusion-formats-fr * ChristopheDucamp * (+2057)
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?def drewinthehead is a developer for Yahoo! Europe
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drewinthehead is the author of hKit and a developer for Yahoo! Europe
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you lasted more then one day? :)
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thanks, jibot; I hadn't made the connection between drewinthehead and Yahoo
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i'm only on my second day, DanC, so it's understandable :)
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cgriego is Chris Griego (-06:00) and a front-end developer at RD2, Inc.
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what's the most semantic way to produce a XHTML Q&A sheet? e.g. Where do you live? Chesterfield, UK
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I was thinking defintion lists (dl, dt, dd)
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[[workofart-brainstorming-fr]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/workofart-brainstorming-fr * ChristopheDucamp * (+13050)
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[[xmdp-faq-fr]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/xmdp-faq-fr * ChristopheDucamp * (+1844)
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[[photo-note-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=photo-note-examples&diff=0&oldid=7938 * ChristopheDucamp * (+248)
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Yup, definitely a DL IMO
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[[media-info-examples-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=media-info-examples-fr&diff=0&oldid=7939 * ChristopheDucamp * (+85) Vidéo -
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A solid key-pair set of information
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yah, I think it's gotta be
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Cheers. BB laters
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[[photo-note-examples-fr]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/photo-note-examples-fr * ChristopheDucamp * (+1905)
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[[media-info-examples-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=media-info-examples-fr&diff=0&oldid=7944 * ChristopheDucamp * (+228) Publication individuelle de vidéo -
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[[media-info-examples-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=media-info-examples-fr&diff=0&oldid=7945 * ChristopheDucamp * (+175) Notes sur les Pratques Existantes -
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[[media-info-examples-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=media-info-examples-fr&diff=0&oldid=7946 * ChristopheDucamp * (+188)
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[[xfolk]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=xfolk&diff=0&oldid=7949 * RyanKing * (+246) Implementations - added sivitools
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[[media-info-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=media-info-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=7950 * ChristopheDucamp * (+0)
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cgriego is Chris Griego (-06:00) and a front-end developer at RD2, Inc.
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hober: you around?
- [18:51:07] <hober>
yo
- [18:51:27] <kingryan>
the other day, you told me that JSON files have to have an object at the root (not an array)
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right?
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- [18:52:15] <hober>
yup
- [18:52:42] <kingryan>
ok, I'm reading the json rfc [http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4627.txt?number=4627]
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which seems to indicate that arrays are allowed
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"A JSON text is a serialized object or array."
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so, I was wondering if I'd misread that
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well, there you go
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No, you didn't misread it
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ok, that's what I thought :D
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[[media-info-examples-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=media-info-examples-fr&diff=0&oldid=7954 * ChristopheDucamp * (-1)
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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DanC is Dan Connolly http://www.w3.org/People/Connolly/
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tuning in for office hours... hmm... hReview tests... I had a quick look... maybe add that to http://microformats.org/wiki/to-do#Dan_Connolly ?
- [21:13:02] <DanC>
I'm sorta more interested in hAtom
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I'm curious what drove hReview up in ryan's priorities
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hReview is the next most "mature" compound microformat after hCard and hCalendar
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and adopted as well
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it kinda makes sense to put more work into those microformats that seem to be taking off more organically in the market
- [21:15:32] * tantek also points out the the Microformats Search technology preview on http://kitchen.technorati.com/search/ supports hCard, hCalendar, and hReview indexing at this point.
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cgriego is Chris Griego (-06:00) and a front-end developer at RD2, Inc.
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briansuda is brian suda of http://suda.co.uk/ and http://claimid.com/briansuda in his freetime he works on the X2V microformats parser (-0600 CST)
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hmm... I'm trying to get the uf search preview to show me some hReview stuff; I'm losing. clues?
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DanC, what did you try that failed? Could you be more specific?
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I typed "austin doubletree" into http://kitchen.technorati.com/review/search , cuz I saw an hReview of it on yahoo local.
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I'm winning at http://kitchen.technorati.com/review/search/austin now
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ah ok
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part of this is the incremental improvements we're in the middle of with all the sites adopting microformats
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step one is to add them to the markup
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step two is to ping so that services that want to index can be notified
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I'm quite happy that I can get address/phone number via x2v from yahoo local. I wish they'd do XHTML, but xsltproc has a --html mode that groks
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cool
- [21:44:28] <tantek>
every little helps
- [21:44:52] <bewest>
this is OT, but someone here might happen to know: anyone know what spec MSXML's wd-xsl implements?
- [21:44:55] <DanC>
I ran into x2v performance issues the other day... I tried to run it on about 400 contacts from my sidekick. I can't remember if it ever finished.
- [21:45:42] <DanC>
bewest, I don't know, but I bet you'd get a good answer from xmlschema-dev@w3.org ; you might even find something already there in the archives
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- [21:46:39] <DanC>
oh... you're asking about XSLT, not XML schema, aren't you, bewest?
- [21:46:49] <bewest>
yeah..
- [21:47:13] <DanC>
briansuda, the performance issues in x2v are fairly easy to see: it's searching the whole document about 12 times for each property
- [21:47:19] <bewest>
I've inherited some code that uses MSXML, the namespace is to w3.org/TR/wd-xsl
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I forget the relevant mailing list for that sort of black magic, bewest.
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www-blackmagic@w3.org ?
- [21:48:12] <bewest>
if I change it to xslt1.0 it doesn't work.. ti's got lots of <xsl:eval things
- [21:48:13] <bewest>
hehe
- [21:48:32] <bewest>
microsoft shipped an implementation of a working draft...
- [21:49:11] <bewest>
I'm just curious as to which spec was actually implemented because I don't have time to fix it properly, and xslt stuff doesn't work
- [21:49:30] <bewest>
oh well
- [21:49:32] <bewest>
thanks anyway
- [21:49:45] <DanC>
hmm... http://www.w3.org/Style/XSL/ endorses http://www.mulberrytech.com/xsl/xsl-list/
- [21:50:17] <bewest>
hmmm thanks
- [21:50:22] <bewest>
haven't seen this site yet
- [21:50:36] <bewest>
all deep links to MSDN get redirected to the section's landing page
- [21:50:43] <bewest>
so chasing this down has been nightmarish
- [21:51:08] <DanC>
some googling around yields an "unofficial MSXML FAQ"... http://www.netcrucible.com/xslt/msxml-faq.htm ... felgercarb, it's 404!
- [21:51:31] <bewest>
exaclty
- [21:51:50] <bewest>
every other resource I've read says to read that site
- [21:51:59] <bewest>
I read the guy's blog to try and track down an old version
- [21:52:03] <bewest>
I can't even get google's cache
- [21:52:17] <DanC>
ew. I don't suppose you can un-inherit said code?
- [21:52:31] <bewest>
that would be synonymous with quitting :-)
- [21:52:51] <DanC>
decisions decisions. :-)
- [21:53:14] <kingryan>
bewest: plenty of companies are hiring
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:D
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- [21:53:57] <bewest>
hehe
- [21:53:58] <bewest>
yes well
- [21:54:26] <bewest>
I want to get this off my plate and do more fun things
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at this point a total rewrite would constitute "fun"
- [21:55:17] <bewest>
kingryan: it's not exactly admirable to jump to a new job after only 2 months...
- [21:55:39] <bewest>
anyway... enough distractions from me
- [21:55:42] * DanC pictures Mel Gibson in braveheart on the rack crying "freedom!"
- [21:56:52] <KevinMarks>
a previous phase in his libelling whole nations
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- [22:03:27] <DanC>
(17:02:43) maxf: DanC: http://web.archive.org/web/20050325052239/http://www.netcrucible.com/xslt/msxml-faq.htm
- [22:03:38] * DanC found max, one of the XSLT experts at W3C
- [22:03:44] <DanC>
bewest, maybe that helps?
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- [23:13:26] <bewest>
DanC: thanks!
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