IRC Log for #microformats on 2006-08-08
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briansuda is brian suda of http://suda.co.uk/ and http://claimid.com/briansuda in his freetime he works on the X2V microformats parser (-0600 CST)
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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Charl is Charl van Niekerk and writes about standards at http://standards.za.net/
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bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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drewm is drewinthehead
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trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and helps with www.multipack.co.uk
- [08:04:23] <drewinthehead>
mornin' trovster
- [08:04:31] <trovster>
Mornin'. How does?
- [08:12:20] <drewinthehead>
not baaad
- [08:17:34] <trovster>
Dammit. I tried some gorilla uF tactics and it didn't work :(
- [08:19:23] <drewinthehead>
booo! what happened?
- [08:19:50] <trovster>
Stripped the span out :(
- [08:24:10] <drewinthehead>
booo!
- [08:29:24] <trovster>
Boo indeed. But this must be our mission from now on. To infiltrate websites and leave the Microformats message
- [08:30:42] <drewinthehead>
mwhahaha!
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not sure if i need more or less caffeine
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If in doubt, always have more!
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drewinthehead is the author of hKit and a developer for Yahoo! Europe
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csarven is Sarven Capadisli and can be found online at http://www.csarven.ca
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gsnedders is a 14 year old idiot from Scotland and pretends to have a website at http://geoffers.uni.cc/
- [13:00:45] <trovster>
Anyone got a link to the spec where it says text-decoration: underline overline; is valid
- [13:03:48] <plaes>
http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?text=p+%7B%0D%0Atext-decoration%3A+overline+underline%3B%0D%0A%7D&usermedium=all ;)
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- [13:04:06] <plaes>
no spec, though :(
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drewinthehead is the author of hKit and a developer for Yahoo! Europe
- [13:13:05] <qid>
plaes: the validators are not the spec, unfortunately
- [13:13:44] <trovster>
Indeed :(
- [13:14:12] <qid>
trovster: I do believe the term you were looking for was 'guerilla'
- [13:14:34] <trovster>
Same thing!
- [13:15:13] <qid>
person who engages in irregular warfare != great ape
- [13:15:48] <trovster>
What abou a great aape which engages in irregular warfare?
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sreynen is Scott Reynen, who makes things at makedatamakesense.com
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dglazkov is Dimitri Glazkov (http://glazkov.com) and lives in Birmingham, AL, USA (-6:00 GMT)
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- [14:05:23] <trovster>
hey drewinthehead
- [14:05:34] <drewinthehead>
hey trovster
- [14:05:45] <trovster>
What part of the Yahoo! site do you work on?
- [14:06:06] <trovster>
Or is that teh supa top secret?
- [14:07:25] <drewinthehead>
top secret :)
- [14:07:43] <drewinthehead>
it may not be top secret, but i'm not sure so let's assume it is./
- [14:08:55] <trovster>
Heh, okily dokily. Fair 'nough
- [14:09:08] <drewinthehead>
why's that?
- [14:09:29] <trovster>
Why's what?
- [14:10:29] <drewinthehead>
why were you asking? any reason?
- [14:10:40] <trovster>
Yup, there is a reason ;)
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remi is Remi Prevost, a web developper (yeah, that's how we spell "developer" in french) from Quebec and blogs about web stuff at <http://remiprevost.com/>
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briansuda is brian suda of http://suda.co.uk/ and http://claimid.com/briansuda in his freetime he works on the X2V microformats parser (-0600 CST)
- [14:35:06] <HenrichP>
Hello
- [14:35:33] <briansuda>
hello
- [14:36:08] <HenrichP>
I am new to microformats and wonder if there are any activities to build security related microformats, like a microformat for digital certificates, public keys etc ?
- [14:36:35] <briansuda>
i'm pretty sure there is not anything like that on the wiki
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part of the reason why, is that we are only looking to give structure to already existing data, stuff that people are already publishing
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hCard does has a KEY property where you can specify things like GPG keys, etc
- [14:38:21] <HenrichP>
okey. that looks like a good starting point.
- [14:38:31] <HenrichP>
thanks for the hint.
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cgriego is Chris Griego (-06:00) and a front-end developer at RD2, Inc.
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pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
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http://flickr.com/photos/dglazkov/210089441
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[[distributed-conversation-examples-fr]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/distributed-conversation-examples-fr * ChristopheDucamp * (+6330)
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[[distributed-conversation-brainstorming-fr]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/distributed-conversation-brainstorming-fr * ChristopheDucamp * (+15273)
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dglazkov, awesome tshirt!
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[[distributed-conversation-brainstorming-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=distributed-conversation-brainstorming-fr&diff=0&oldid=8046 * ChristopheDucamp * (+445) Problème -
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[[distributed-conversation-brainstorming-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=distributed-conversation-brainstorming-fr&diff=0&oldid=8047 * ChristopheDucamp * (+159) rel="cite" / rev="cite" -
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[[distributed-conversation-brainstorming-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=distributed-conversation-brainstorming-fr&diff=0&oldid=8048 * ChristopheDucamp * (+57) citeRel vs. relCite -
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[[distributed-conversation-brainstorming-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=distributed-conversation-brainstorming-fr&diff=0&oldid=8049 * ChristopheDucamp * (+131) Quand est-ce que href nu est (ou pas) une citation -
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[[distributed-conversation-brainstorming-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=distributed-conversation-brainstorming-fr&diff=0&oldid=8050 * ChristopheDucamp * (+65) Moving Forward - traduction à continuer
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mlinksva is Mike Linksvayer and from Creative Commons
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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kingryan is ryan king
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drewinthehead is the author of hKit and a developer for Yahoo! Europe
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Phae is Frances Berriman of http://www.fberriman.com/
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- [19:07:09] <Hixie>
hahahahahaha
- [19:07:30] <Hixie>
someone actually independently suggested in www-html than xhtml2 should offer a section describing how headings make outlines
- [19:07:59] <Hixie>
and even cited the html5 spec as an example of how to do that :-D
- [19:08:00] <dglazkov>
linky?
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- [19:10:02] <briansuda>
dc__ i tried to get to your advisr and XFN sites, with no luck - have they been moved?
- [19:12:22] <bewest>
Hixie: I'm curious about tool tip kind of elements. does html5 afford any capabilities regarding tool tips on keywords or something?
- [19:12:39] <bewest>
currently there are a couple of elements that almost support the right kind of semantic
- [19:12:46] <bewest>
<ins> or <q> for example
- [19:13:03] <Hixie>
dglazkov: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html/2006Aug/0053.html
- [19:13:13] <Hixie>
bewest: <span title=""> ?
- [19:13:40] <bewest>
title is good for really minor things
- [19:13:58] <dglazkov>
ah
- [19:14:05] <Hixie>
bewest: having "tool tips" that contain graphs and complex stuff like that is bad ui.
- [19:14:32] <bewest>
not necessarily graphs and complex stuff
- [19:14:37] <bewest>
but more than just a couple words
- [19:14:51] <bewest>
maybe several lines and a link inside
- [19:15:50] <bewest>
an example is for inline documentation... you are using an interface, and some elements perhaps have a "?" next to them
- [19:16:05] <bewest>
hovering over the "?" glyph brings up a small tooltip with explanatory text and a link for more information
- [19:16:22] <Hixie>
a tooltip containing an interactive ui element (a link) is a _really_ bad idea. :-P
- [19:16:35] <bewest>
hmmm
- [19:16:47] <bewest>
because it's hidden?
- [19:17:32] <bewest>
this is a highly requested thing...
- [19:17:36] <Hixie>
it's just bad ui
- [19:17:41] <Hixie>
try and find an apple app that does it
- [19:17:42] <Hixie>
e.g.
- [19:18:01] <Hixie>
ephemeral windows are not how you provide detailed information
- [19:18:06] <Hixie>
they're good for labels and stuff like that
- [19:18:08] <bewest>
it's not detailed information
- [19:18:15] <Hixie>
a link, is detailed.
- [19:18:16] <bewest>
it's a label with a link to more detailed information
- [19:18:35] <Hixie>
why not make the label the link?
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- [19:19:24] <bewest>
hmm
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- [19:19:37] <Hixie>
or even better, make the whole thing self-explanatory so you don't need a link.
- [19:19:48] <bewest>
well that's obviously better :-)
- [19:20:06] <bewest>
hmmm
- [19:20:41] <bewest>
the thing is, this is highly requested feature, and is used everywhere
- [19:20:50] <Hixie>
people request a lot of crap
- [19:20:53] <Hixie>
doesn't mean we give it to them
- [19:20:58] <bewest>
right
- [19:21:11] <Hixie>
rule #1 of design -- software design, language design, any design -- Just Say No.
- [19:21:21] <bewest>
hmmmm
- [19:21:23] <Hixie>
rule #2: sometimes, there are exceptions to rule #1.
- [19:21:27] <dglazkov>
regardless of whether it's bad or good UI, you probably shouldn't store information on whether content is actually tooltip in markup
- [19:21:35] <Hixie>
rule #3: the exceptions in rule #2 aren't as common as you might think.
- [19:21:54] <bewest>
dglazkov: I don't know what you mean
- [19:22:26] <bewest>
<span class="toolhint">Hint Text <q cite="myhint.xhtml"></q></span>
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- [19:23:06] <dglazkov>
<span class="details">Hint Text ...
- [19:23:52] <bewest>
Hixie: for example the phpmyadmin interface does this kind of thing
- [19:24:00] * dglazkov hates to be pegged as semagogist
- [19:24:04] <Hixie>
or in HTML5... <details> <legend> Control... </legend> <p> Hint text ... </p> </details>
- [19:24:28] <bewest>
erm "Hint Text" is what would be rended on screen
- [19:24:41] <Hixie>
bewest: phpmyadmin has one of the worst UIs of all the applications i've looked at all month
- [19:24:44] <Hixie>
bbl
- [19:24:46] <Hixie>
gotta go
- [19:24:49] <bewest>
heh
- [19:25:27] <bewest>
when you mose over "Hint Text", the content at /myhint.xhtml is displayed as a tooltip
- [19:25:46] <bewest>
there might be a link or something on where to get extended information
- [19:26:20] <bewest>
I was considering using <ins> for awhile, but the spec specifically designates it for change control comments
- [19:27:41] <bewest>
this allows you to avoid tooltips like <a title="This feature does blah blah. Click here for more help.">?</a>
- [19:28:28] <bewest>
assuming a better design is absent
- [19:36:28] <mfbot>
[[hresume]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hresume&diff=0&oldid=8051 * KelleyChambers * (+197) Publications -
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[[hresume]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hresume&diff=0&oldid=8052 * KelleyChambers * (+199) Examples in the wild -
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[[hresume]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hresume&diff=0&oldid=8053 * KelleyChambers * (-197) Publications -
- [19:38:46] <bewest>
aren't many of the microformat widget ideas a set of initially hidden interactions that are only displayed in a quasi-modal rendering? I fail to see how this would be much different
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- [19:41:27] <qid>
15:16 < Hixie> a tooltip containing an interactive ui element (a link) is a _really_ bad idea. :-P <-- actually, I had a use for putting a link in a tooltip, but not as an interactive element
- [19:42:00] <bewest>
it may be a bad idea... but it's a lot better than many of the alternatives
- [19:42:22] <bewest>
better enough that it might be worth providing with the caveat to look for better ways to do it
- [19:42:29] <qid>
using NiceTitles for links, I put the URL for the link in the NiceTitle, and make that URL a link itself, so that it would get colored properly
- [19:42:58] <bewest>
I'd much rather see some kind of modal bubble than have a new window popup or something
- [19:43:13] <bewest>
or take me to another page for some two sentence - paragraph explanation
- [19:43:25] <bewest>
especially if the page I was previously on has state associated with it
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- [21:10:57] <drewinthehead>
greetings
- [21:11:09] <Phae>
evening
- [21:11:18] <kingryan>
howdy
- [21:11:29] <bewest>
afternoon
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- [21:12:25] <drewinthehead>
anything exciting going down?
- [21:13:31] <briansuda>
kingryan, is there any way to get my MF session (http://conferences.oreillynet.com/cs/euos2006/view/e_sess/9508) listed on the mf.org site under upcoming events?
- [21:13:57] <kingryan>
yes
- [21:14:14] <kingryan>
that link's gotta work first :D
- [21:14:20] <Phae>
Worked for me.
- [21:14:24] <kingryan>
and is it on http://microformats.org/wiki/events ?
- [21:14:36] <kingryan>
crap my IRC put the ) on the end
- [21:14:39] <Phae>
:P
- [21:15:10] <bewest>
hehe a picoformat might specify separaing your punctuation from URIs
- [21:15:13] <briansuda>
nope, i;ll add it, i do have it here: http://microformats.org/wiki/presentations
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[[events]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events&diff=0&oldid=8056 * Brian * (+154) Added EuroOSCON event and moved past events to RECENT
- [21:17:47] <kingryan>
briansuda: I'm upgrading you to a wordpress admin on the blog
- [21:17:55] <kingryan>
the events are just markup in the template (I know, ick)
- [21:18:15] <kingryan>
so the answer to your first question is now "do it yourself, but don't break anything"
- [21:18:16] <briansuda>
ok, just shoot me an email with all i need to know
- [21:18:40] <bewest>
huh?
- [21:18:51] <bewest>
the events are markup in the template AND on the wiki?
- [21:18:57] <kingryan>
yeah
- [21:18:59] <bewest>
:-(
- [21:19:02] <kingryan>
I know
- [21:19:09] <bewest>
umm
- [21:19:11] <kingryan>
someone make it better, please
- [21:19:13] <Phae>
heh
- [21:19:15] <bewest>
hmmm
- [21:19:17] * bewest gets an itch
- [21:19:41] * bewest has been experimenting with javascript transclusion of stuff
- [21:19:44] <kingryan>
I'm sure there's a wp plugin that could help, but I don't have the time or energy
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- [21:20:16] <Phae>
Does it really need a JS solution?
- [21:20:48] <bewest>
dunno
- [21:21:40] <bewest>
does it need to work sans javascript?
- [21:22:04] <Phae>
Would be preferential to work sans, I assume.
- [21:22:18] <drewinthehead>
depends if you want it parsable by non-javascript-based parsers
- [21:22:25] * Phae nods.
- [21:22:53] <drewinthehead>
or care much about the principals behind progressive enhancement
- [21:23:52] <briansuda>
well, if we all used the wiki to write hAtom on the events page, we could scrap it pretty easily :)
- [21:23:59] <bewest>
yeah
- [21:24:08] <Phae>
Nice working example.
- [21:24:28] * bewest mumbles something about being especially easy with javascript
- [21:24:48] <Phae>
heh
- [21:25:59] <bewest>
technically non JS parsers could still get it
- [21:26:11] <bewest>
if it was included using the include pattern?
- [21:26:20] <bewest>
and the javascript gets it for rendering
- [21:26:31] <drewinthehead>
the include pattern doesn't go across pages
- [21:26:36] <bewest>
oh oh
- [21:27:12] <bewest>
so there's no way to include stuff from another page?
- [21:28:33] <drewinthehead>
nope
- [21:28:38] <drewinthehead>
out of scope
- [21:29:38] <bewest>
interesting
- [21:29:39] <bewest>
hmmm
- [21:29:54] * bewest feels a bit dissapointed
- [21:30:03] <Phae>
aw.
- [21:30:21] <drewinthehead>
don't be sad, bewest, it'll be ok.
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- [21:30:31] <bewest>
hehe
- [21:30:45] <bewest>
hmmm
- [21:30:50] <bewest>
so you can include something on the page...
- [21:31:22] <dc__>
briansuda: hey mate
- [21:31:25] <bewest>
what if you included something like <a href="path/to/myuformat.html" rel="hcard">Hcard</a>
- [21:31:33] <briansuda>
evening dc__
- [21:32:20] <dc__>
briansuda: right.. I'll get them started soon.. had a bit of a server move around this month.
- [21:32:20] <dc__>
briansuda: I've kind of reached a wall with xfn though
- [21:32:34] <drewinthehead>
you can reference other urls , of course, but they're not included in real time, as such
- [21:32:35] <dc__>
briansuda: the problem being there's no official/widespread way to identify individuals
- [21:33:00] <briansuda>
dc__, next month i will have more free-time, maybe we can hammer out alot of the issues?
- [21:33:02] <bewest>
<a id="external_source" href="/hcard.html" rel="hcard">Foreign Hcard</a> <span class="vcard"> <object data="#external_source" class="include"></object></span>
- [21:33:10] <bewest>
hmmm there's nothing "visible" there
- [21:33:20] <bewest>
but what if a javascript thing did it in real time
- [21:33:47] <dc__>
briansuda: that would be great.. the problem is basically if I release the service, I would start breaking mine and everyone else's xfn networks. The only way would be to not actually product xfn format links on the site.. but that'd be real backwards.
- [21:33:59] <dc__>
briansuda: so yeh, give me a mail, I'd love to get the service out in the wild sometime.
- [21:34:36] <briansuda>
i really like the idea and would like to see things move forward.
- [21:35:09] <briansuda>
i think there are ways (heuristics) we can use
- [21:35:14] <dc__>
briansuda: agreed. there's some good code in the spider etc... :)
- [21:35:31] <briansuda>
if, not, then we just ignore the ME, that was giving us the problems
- [21:36:00] <bewest>
or <a id="external_source" href="/hcard.html" rel="hcard">Foreign Hcard</a> <object data="#external_source" class="vcard include"> </object> :-D
- [21:36:56] <dc__>
http://www.dbachrach.com/opensoft/
- [21:36:59] <dc__>
errr.
- [21:37:19] <bewest>
or how about <ins cite="myEvents.html"></ins> ???
- [21:40:05] <dc__>
http://www.fearoffish.co.uk/
- [21:40:07] <dc__>
so..
- [21:40:13] <dc__>
who thinks the sidebar bg is redish?
- [21:40:25] <qid>
bewest: as long as you're not going across servers, how about <!--#include virtual="whatever.html"--> :-D
- [21:40:58] <bewest>
qid: because that's not nearly as cool
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- [21:51:46] <kingryan>
so, did we reach a conclusion on how to make the events stuff better?
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- [21:52:51] <bewest>
kingryan: qid proposes using SSI, others propose a wordpress plugin, I propose some kind of client-side inclusion
- [21:53:04] <bewest>
but I'm biased because that's where my current interests lie
- [21:53:07] <kingryan>
I think there's a new wp plugin with hcalendar support, eh tantek?
- [21:54:04] <tantek>
Slashchick revved CountDown during WordCamp to support hCalendar output and subscription using the Technorati Events Feed service.
- [21:57:26] <hober>
CountDown + hCalendar + pingerati == happy hober
- [21:57:47] <kingryan>
not sure if countdown uses pingerati
- [21:57:58] <kingryan>
but that reminds me of something on my todo list
- [21:58:19] <hober>
It doesn't, but it's the next logical step
- [22:00:59] <tantek>
hober, yes, that is part of Erica's plan of course
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to ping pingerati whenever people post an event to their blog
- [22:01:12] <tantek>
speaking of which
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any ETA on having Eventful automatically ping pingerati with new/updated events?
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- [22:05:44] <hober>
That's a great question
- [22:05:50] * hober passes it along to someone who might know
- [22:06:10] <hober>
I know that we consume pingerati pings
- [22:06:19] <hober>
I don't know what the plan is WRT producing pings to pingerati
- [22:08:22] <tantek>
would be really great to have Eventful on both the sending and receiving sides
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- [22:09:10] <bewest>
lol: "melgibson" in MSN yield Technorati's tag page as the first result
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- [22:14:54] <kingryan>
http://alexa.com/search?q=melgibson
- [22:15:23] <hober>
tantek: we had a pinger running, but never saw the events show up, so danny stopped running it.
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- [22:15:47] <kingryan>
never saw them show up where?
- [22:16:56] <hober>
http://kitchen.technorati.com/event/search
- [22:17:16] <tantek>
hober, what URL were you pinging?
- [22:17:34] <hober>
He said he tried both the generic ping url and the event-specific one.
- [22:18:18] <KevinMarks>
if you turn it on again, we can check
- [22:18:44] <hober>
I'll ask him to
- [22:19:02] <KevinMarks>
if our parser is failing we need to fix it
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hober, if you can provide a few sample URLs that you sent with the pings, I can look and see what kitchen.technorati.com/events/search did with them
- [22:21:22] <tantek>
were these eventful.com URLs?
- [22:21:27] <hober>
yes
- [22:22:10] <hober>
It'll be easier to turn the pinger back on than to try to find URLs it used in the past.
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- [22:29:10] <tantek>
hober, do you know approximately what rate you were sending them?
- [22:30:06] <hober>
ok, the pinger is running right now
- [22:32:39] <hober>
tantek: no idea offhand
- [22:34:53] <tantek>
hober, initially the update rates on the pinger were quite limited, but the capacity has been greatly increased since then
- [22:35:14] <tantek>
it is possible that due to Eventful's rate of data, that your pinger was exceeding pingerati's initial rate limits
- [22:35:22] <hober>
that would make sense
- [22:35:25] <tantek>
and then you might not have found all the results
- [22:35:30] <tantek>
but that's been fixed since then
- [22:36:01] <kingryan>
i'm not seeing any eventful urls on pingerati.net's latest pings
- [22:36:37] <tantek>
kingryan, KevinMarks and I are tracking it
- [22:36:52] <hober>
you should be getting a few a second right now
- [22:37:42] <tantek>
yep
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- [22:42:27] <hober>
looking good! http://kitchen.technorati.com/event/search/eventful.com
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- [22:44:41] <hober>
While we're on the subject of eventful & pingerati; could you s/evdb/eventful/ there?
- [22:44:53] <hober>
that would be awesome
- [22:45:16] <KevinMarks>
pingflood: http://pingerati.net/
- [22:45:18] <KevinMarks>
;)
- [22:46:16] <hober>
heh
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- [22:52:09] <hober>
also, I guess we should be listed under senders as well as receivers... :)
- [22:52:17] <tantek>
hober, indeed!
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do you have a standard button image to use for Eventful?
- [22:52:56] <tantek>
something 120px wide maximum
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and 30px tall maximum?
- [22:53:41] <KevinMarks>
hope you can avoid the loop at your end...
- [22:53:59] <tantek>
(what you see now on pingerati is a result of Tantek's l33t photoshop skillz applied to resizing the EVDB logo image)
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- [22:54:04] <jibot>
remi is Remi Prevost, a web developper (yeah, that's how we spell "developer" in french) from Quebec and blogs about web stuff at <http://remiprevost.com/>
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- [22:56:55] <hober>
heh
- [22:56:56] <tantek>
hober, does eventful ping in bursts?
- [22:58:23] <hober>
right now, it's playing catch up. it'll pull 100 events, ping them, pull, ping, etc.
- [22:58:38] <hober>
once it's caught up, it'll ping every 5min or so with changed/new events in that 5min
- [22:58:45] <tantek>
ok, good to know
- [22:58:59] <hober>
we can fiddle with that to your liking too
- [22:59:04] * hober asks around for a logo
- [22:59:14] <tantek>
we're over 1000 Eventful events now in only 10 minutes
- [22:59:49] <hober>
heh
- [22:59:52] <hober>
we rule
- [23:00:03] <tantek>
hmm, at that rate, 1M events will take about 7 days to catchup
- [23:00:27] * hober is getting a logo of those dimensions for you...
- [23:00:28] <tantek>
this is just by checking http://kitchen.technorati.com/events/search/eventful
- [23:00:33] <tantek>
thanks hober!
- [23:01:20] <hober>
You should expect on the order of 50,000 events in the next day or so I think
- [23:01:29] <hober>
it'll be a large amount anyway
- [23:08:49] <hober>
tantek: http://edward.oconnor.cx/tmp/eventful-100x30.png
- [23:11:03] <trel1023>
pretty
- [23:21:47] <KevinMarks>
is your official url eventful.com now too?
- [23:23:01] <KevinMarks>
ie is that the link you want on pingerati, or the evdb one?
- [23:26:53] <hober>
everything should point at eventful.com
- [23:27:02] <hober>
evdb.com is deprecated
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- [23:48:57] <KevinMarks>
OK, reload pingerati
- [23:49:26] <hober>
Yay!
- [23:49:30] <hober>
that looks awesome; thanks!
- [23:51:25] <kingryan>
"Recently updated pages
- [23:51:25] <kingryan>
1. Eventful: Fucked Up..."
- [23:51:54] <hober>
yeah, it's a concert from a label that contacted podbop asking how to get all their concerts in
- [23:53:32] <hober>
podbop pointed them at us, ..., profanity on pingerati. brilliant! :)
- [23:53:38] <kingryan>
nice
- [23:55:58] <KevinMarks>
compared to some of our 'featured blogegr' photos recently, thats mild
- [23:56:42] <hober>
KevinMarks: I bet!
- [23:58:05] <KevinMarks>
pingerati is much quicker to update than the main site
- [23:59:58] <KevinMarks>
like the good old days when we edited the code on the live server
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