IRC Log for #microformats on 2006-08-08

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  11. [01:19:17] <jibot> briansuda is brian suda of http://suda.co.uk/ and http://claimid.com/briansuda in his freetime he works on the X2V microformats parser (-0600 CST)
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  30. [04:08:15] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  39. [06:22:53] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  42. [06:45:26] <jibot> Charl is Charl van Niekerk and writes about standards at http://standards.za.net/
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  47. [07:03:52] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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  50. [07:43:28] <jibot> drewm is drewinthehead
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  55. [08:00:41] <jibot> trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and helps with www.multipack.co.uk
  56. [08:04:23] <drewinthehead> mornin' trovster
  57. [08:04:31] <trovster> Mornin'. How does?
  58. [08:12:20] <drewinthehead> not baaad
  59. [08:17:34] <trovster> Dammit. I tried some gorilla uF tactics and it didn't work :(
  60. [08:19:23] <drewinthehead> booo! what happened?
  61. [08:19:50] <trovster> Stripped the span out :(
  62. [08:24:10] <drewinthehead> booo!
  63. [08:29:24] <trovster> Boo indeed. But this must be our mission from now on. To infiltrate websites and leave the Microformats message
  64. [08:30:42] <drewinthehead> mwhahaha!
  65. [08:37:37] <drewinthehead> not sure if i need more or less caffeine
  66. [08:37:55] <trovster> If in doubt, always have more!
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  82. [11:19:46] <jibot> drewinthehead is the author of hKit and a developer for Yahoo! Europe
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  85. [12:07:48] <jibot> csarven is Sarven Capadisli and can be found online at http://www.csarven.ca
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  90. [12:41:04] <jibot> gsnedders is a 14 year old idiot from Scotland and pretends to have a website at http://geoffers.uni.cc/
  91. [13:00:45] <trovster> Anyone got a link to the spec where it says text-decoration: underline overline; is valid
  92. [13:03:48] <plaes> http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?text=p+%7B%0D%0Atext-decoration%3A+overline+underline%3B%0D%0A%7D&usermedium=all ;)
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  94. [13:04:06] <plaes> no spec, though :(
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  96. [13:09:49] <jibot> drewinthehead is the author of hKit and a developer for Yahoo! Europe
  97. [13:13:05] <qid> plaes: the validators are not the spec, unfortunately
  98. [13:13:44] <trovster> Indeed :(
  99. [13:14:12] <qid> trovster: I do believe the term you were looking for was 'guerilla'
  100. [13:14:34] <trovster> Same thing!
  101. [13:15:13] <qid> person who engages in irregular warfare != great ape
  102. [13:15:48] <trovster> What abou a great aape which engages in irregular warfare?
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  105. [13:33:54] <jibot> sreynen is Scott Reynen, who makes things at makedatamakesense.com
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  107. [13:50:01] <jibot> dglazkov is Dimitri Glazkov (http://glazkov.com) and lives in Birmingham, AL, USA (-6:00 GMT)
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  114. [14:05:23] <trovster> hey drewinthehead
  115. [14:05:34] <drewinthehead> hey trovster
  116. [14:05:45] <trovster> What part of the Yahoo! site do you work on?
  117. [14:06:06] <trovster> Or is that teh supa top secret?
  118. [14:07:25] <drewinthehead> top secret :)
  119. [14:07:43] <drewinthehead> it may not be top secret, but i'm not sure so let's assume it is./
  120. [14:08:55] <trovster> Heh, okily dokily. Fair 'nough
  121. [14:09:08] <drewinthehead> why's that?
  122. [14:09:29] <trovster> Why's what?
  123. [14:10:29] <drewinthehead> why were you asking? any reason?
  124. [14:10:40] <trovster> Yup, there is a reason ;)
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  126. [14:10:46] <jibot> remi is Remi Prevost, a web developper (yeah, that's how we spell "developer" in french) from Quebec and blogs about web stuff at <http://remiprevost.com/>
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  130. [14:24:57] <jibot> briansuda is brian suda of http://suda.co.uk/ and http://claimid.com/briansuda in his freetime he works on the X2V microformats parser (-0600 CST)
  131. [14:35:06] <HenrichP> Hello
  132. [14:35:33] <briansuda> hello
  133. [14:36:08] <HenrichP> I am new to microformats and wonder if there are any activities to build security related microformats, like a microformat for digital certificates, public keys etc ?
  134. [14:36:35] <briansuda> i'm pretty sure there is not anything like that on the wiki
  135. [14:37:09] <briansuda> part of the reason why, is that we are only looking to give structure to already existing data, stuff that people are already publishing
  136. [14:37:26] <briansuda> hCard does has a KEY property where you can specify things like GPG keys, etc
  137. [14:38:21] <HenrichP> okey. that looks like a good starting point.
  138. [14:38:31] <HenrichP> thanks for the hint.
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  142. [14:49:11] <jibot> cgriego is Chris Griego (-06:00) and a front-end developer at RD2, Inc.
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  146. [15:02:32] <jibot> pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
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  148. [15:15:42] <dglazkov_> http://flickr.com/photos/dglazkov/210089441
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  152. [15:47:34] <mfbot> [[distributed-conversation-examples-fr]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/distributed-conversation-examples-fr * ChristopheDucamp * (+6330)
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  154. [16:12:26] <mfbot> [[distributed-conversation-brainstorming-fr]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/distributed-conversation-brainstorming-fr * ChristopheDucamp * (+15273)
  155. [16:13:05] <tantek> dglazkov, awesome tshirt!
  156. [16:29:52] <mfbot> [[distributed-conversation-brainstorming-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=distributed-conversation-brainstorming-fr&diff=0&oldid=8046 * ChristopheDucamp * (+445) Problème -
  157. [16:37:48] <mfbot> [[distributed-conversation-brainstorming-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=distributed-conversation-brainstorming-fr&diff=0&oldid=8047 * ChristopheDucamp * (+159) rel="cite" / rev="cite" -
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  159. [16:40:54] <mfbot> [[distributed-conversation-brainstorming-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=distributed-conversation-brainstorming-fr&diff=0&oldid=8048 * ChristopheDucamp * (+57) citeRel vs. relCite -
  160. [16:44:26] <mfbot> [[distributed-conversation-brainstorming-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=distributed-conversation-brainstorming-fr&diff=0&oldid=8049 * ChristopheDucamp * (+131) Quand est-ce que href nu est (ou pas) une citation -
  161. [16:47:27] <mfbot> [[distributed-conversation-brainstorming-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=distributed-conversation-brainstorming-fr&diff=0&oldid=8050 * ChristopheDucamp * (+65) Moving Forward - traduction à continuer
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  165. [16:58:14] <jibot> mlinksva is Mike Linksvayer and from Creative Commons
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  167. [17:10:22] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  182. [18:10:21] <jibot> drewinthehead is the author of hKit and a developer for Yahoo! Europe
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  185. [18:24:22] <jibot> Phae is Frances Berriman of http://www.fberriman.com/
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  192. [19:07:09] <Hixie> hahahahahaha
  193. [19:07:30] <Hixie> someone actually independently suggested in www-html than xhtml2 should offer a section describing how headings make outlines
  194. [19:07:59] <Hixie> and even cited the html5 spec as an example of how to do that :-D
  195. [19:08:00] <dglazkov> linky?
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  197. [19:10:02] <briansuda> dc__ i tried to get to your advisr and XFN sites, with no luck - have they been moved?
  198. [19:12:22] <bewest> Hixie: I'm curious about tool tip kind of elements. does html5 afford any capabilities regarding tool tips on keywords or something?
  199. [19:12:39] <bewest> currently there are a couple of elements that almost support the right kind of semantic
  200. [19:12:46] <bewest> <ins> or <q> for example
  201. [19:13:03] <Hixie> dglazkov: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html/2006Aug/0053.html
  202. [19:13:13] <Hixie> bewest: <span title=""> ?
  203. [19:13:40] <bewest> title is good for really minor things
  204. [19:13:58] <dglazkov> ah
  205. [19:14:05] <Hixie> bewest: having "tool tips" that contain graphs and complex stuff like that is bad ui.
  206. [19:14:32] <bewest> not necessarily graphs and complex stuff
  207. [19:14:37] <bewest> but more than just a couple words
  208. [19:14:51] <bewest> maybe several lines and a link inside
  209. [19:15:50] <bewest> an example is for inline documentation... you are using an interface, and some elements perhaps have a "?" next to them
  210. [19:16:05] <bewest> hovering over the "?" glyph brings up a small tooltip with explanatory text and a link for more information
  211. [19:16:22] <Hixie> a tooltip containing an interactive ui element (a link) is a _really_ bad idea. :-P
  212. [19:16:35] <bewest> hmmm
  213. [19:16:47] <bewest> because it's hidden?
  214. [19:17:32] <bewest> this is a highly requested thing...
  215. [19:17:36] <Hixie> it's just bad ui
  216. [19:17:41] <Hixie> try and find an apple app that does it
  217. [19:17:42] <Hixie> e.g.
  218. [19:18:01] <Hixie> ephemeral windows are not how you provide detailed information
  219. [19:18:06] <Hixie> they're good for labels and stuff like that
  220. [19:18:08] <bewest> it's not detailed information
  221. [19:18:15] <Hixie> a link, is detailed.
  222. [19:18:16] <bewest> it's a label with a link to more detailed information
  223. [19:18:35] <Hixie> why not make the label the link?
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  225. [19:19:24] <bewest> hmm
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  227. [19:19:37] <Hixie> or even better, make the whole thing self-explanatory so you don't need a link.
  228. [19:19:48] <bewest> well that's obviously better :-)
  229. [19:20:06] <bewest> hmmm
  230. [19:20:41] <bewest> the thing is, this is highly requested feature, and is used everywhere
  231. [19:20:50] <Hixie> people request a lot of crap
  232. [19:20:53] <Hixie> doesn't mean we give it to them
  233. [19:20:58] <bewest> right
  234. [19:21:11] <Hixie> rule #1 of design -- software design, language design, any design -- Just Say No.
  235. [19:21:21] <bewest> hmmmm
  236. [19:21:23] <Hixie> rule #2: sometimes, there are exceptions to rule #1.
  237. [19:21:27] <dglazkov> regardless of whether it's bad or good UI, you probably shouldn't store information on whether content is actually tooltip in markup
  238. [19:21:35] <Hixie> rule #3: the exceptions in rule #2 aren't as common as you might think.
  239. [19:21:54] <bewest> dglazkov: I don't know what you mean
  240. [19:22:26] <bewest> <span class="toolhint">Hint Text <q cite="myhint.xhtml"></q></span>
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  242. [19:23:06] <dglazkov> <span class="details">Hint Text ...
  243. [19:23:52] <bewest> Hixie: for example the phpmyadmin interface does this kind of thing
  244. [19:24:00] * dglazkov hates to be pegged as semagogist
  245. [19:24:04] <Hixie> or in HTML5... <details> <legend> Control... </legend> <p> Hint text ... </p> </details>
  246. [19:24:28] <bewest> erm "Hint Text" is what would be rended on screen
  247. [19:24:41] <Hixie> bewest: phpmyadmin has one of the worst UIs of all the applications i've looked at all month
  248. [19:24:44] <Hixie> bbl
  249. [19:24:46] <Hixie> gotta go
  250. [19:24:49] <bewest> heh
  251. [19:25:27] <bewest> when you mose over "Hint Text", the content at /myhint.xhtml is displayed as a tooltip
  252. [19:25:46] <bewest> there might be a link or something on where to get extended information
  253. [19:26:20] <bewest> I was considering using <ins> for awhile, but the spec specifically designates it for change control comments
  254. [19:27:41] <bewest> this allows you to avoid tooltips like <a title="This feature does blah blah. Click here for more help.">?</a>
  255. [19:28:28] <bewest> assuming a better design is absent
  256. [19:36:28] <mfbot> [[hresume]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hresume&diff=0&oldid=8051 * KelleyChambers * (+197) Publications -
  257. [19:37:49] <mfbot> [[hresume]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hresume&diff=0&oldid=8052 * KelleyChambers * (+199) Examples in the wild -
  258. [19:38:00] <mfbot> [[hresume]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hresume&diff=0&oldid=8053 * KelleyChambers * (-197) Publications -
  259. [19:38:46] <bewest> aren't many of the microformat widget ideas a set of initially hidden interactions that are only displayed in a quasi-modal rendering? I fail to see how this would be much different
  260. [19:39:56] <mfbot> [[hresume]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hresume&diff=0&oldid=8054 * KelleyChambers * (+28) Examples in the wild -
  261. [19:41:27] <qid> 15:16 < Hixie> a tooltip containing an interactive ui element (a link) is a _really_ bad idea. :-P <-- actually, I had a use for putting a link in a tooltip, but not as an interactive element
  262. [19:42:00] <bewest> it may be a bad idea... but it's a lot better than many of the alternatives
  263. [19:42:22] <bewest> better enough that it might be worth providing with the caveat to look for better ways to do it
  264. [19:42:29] <qid> using NiceTitles for links, I put the URL for the link in the NiceTitle, and make that URL a link itself, so that it would get colored properly
  265. [19:42:58] <bewest> I'd much rather see some kind of modal bubble than have a new window popup or something
  266. [19:43:13] <bewest> or take me to another page for some two sentence - paragraph explanation
  267. [19:43:25] <bewest> especially if the page I was previously on has state associated with it
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  284. [21:06:42] <jibot> drewinthehead is the author of hKit and a developer for Yahoo! Europe
  285. [21:10:57] <drewinthehead> greetings
  286. [21:11:09] <Phae> evening
  287. [21:11:18] <kingryan> howdy
  288. [21:11:29] <bewest> afternoon
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  290. [21:12:25] <drewinthehead> anything exciting going down?
  291. [21:13:31] <briansuda> kingryan, is there any way to get my MF session (http://conferences.oreillynet.com/cs/euos2006/view/e_sess/9508) listed on the mf.org site under upcoming events?
  292. [21:13:57] <kingryan> yes
  293. [21:14:14] <kingryan> that link's gotta work first :D
  294. [21:14:20] <Phae> Worked for me.
  295. [21:14:24] <kingryan> and is it on http://microformats.org/wiki/events ?
  296. [21:14:36] <kingryan> crap my IRC put the ) on the end
  297. [21:14:39] <Phae> :P
  298. [21:15:10] <bewest> hehe a picoformat might specify separaing your punctuation from URIs
  299. [21:15:13] <briansuda> nope, i;ll add it, i do have it here: http://microformats.org/wiki/presentations
  300. [21:17:30] <mfbot> [[events]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events&diff=0&oldid=8056 * Brian * (+154) Added EuroOSCON event and moved past events to RECENT
  301. [21:17:47] <kingryan> briansuda: I'm upgrading you to a wordpress admin on the blog
  302. [21:17:55] <kingryan> the events are just markup in the template (I know, ick)
  303. [21:18:15] <kingryan> so the answer to your first question is now "do it yourself, but don't break anything"
  304. [21:18:16] <briansuda> ok, just shoot me an email with all i need to know
  305. [21:18:40] <bewest> huh?
  306. [21:18:51] <bewest> the events are markup in the template AND on the wiki?
  307. [21:18:57] <kingryan> yeah
  308. [21:18:59] <bewest> :-(
  309. [21:19:02] <kingryan> I know
  310. [21:19:09] <bewest> umm
  311. [21:19:11] <kingryan> someone make it better, please
  312. [21:19:13] <Phae> heh
  313. [21:19:15] <bewest> hmmm
  314. [21:19:17] * bewest gets an itch
  315. [21:19:41] * bewest has been experimenting with javascript transclusion of stuff
  316. [21:19:44] <kingryan> I'm sure there's a wp plugin that could help, but I don't have the time or energy
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  318. [21:20:16] <Phae> Does it really need a JS solution?
  319. [21:20:48] <bewest> dunno
  320. [21:21:40] <bewest> does it need to work sans javascript?
  321. [21:22:04] <Phae> Would be preferential to work sans, I assume.
  322. [21:22:18] <drewinthehead> depends if you want it parsable by non-javascript-based parsers
  323. [21:22:25] * Phae nods.
  324. [21:22:53] <drewinthehead> or care much about the principals behind progressive enhancement
  325. [21:23:52] <briansuda> well, if we all used the wiki to write hAtom on the events page, we could scrap it pretty easily :)
  326. [21:23:59] <bewest> yeah
  327. [21:24:08] <Phae> Nice working example.
  328. [21:24:28] * bewest mumbles something about being especially easy with javascript
  329. [21:24:48] <Phae> heh
  330. [21:25:59] <bewest> technically non JS parsers could still get it
  331. [21:26:11] <bewest> if it was included using the include pattern?
  332. [21:26:20] <bewest> and the javascript gets it for rendering
  333. [21:26:31] <drewinthehead> the include pattern doesn't go across pages
  334. [21:26:36] <bewest> oh oh
  335. [21:27:12] <bewest> so there's no way to include stuff from another page?
  336. [21:28:33] <drewinthehead> nope
  337. [21:28:38] <drewinthehead> out of scope
  338. [21:29:38] <bewest> interesting
  339. [21:29:39] <bewest> hmmm
  340. [21:29:54] * bewest feels a bit dissapointed
  341. [21:30:03] <Phae> aw.
  342. [21:30:21] <drewinthehead> don't be sad, bewest, it'll be ok.
  343. [21:30:27] * drewinthehead pats bewest
  344. [21:30:31] <bewest> hehe
  345. [21:30:45] <bewest> hmmm
  346. [21:30:50] <bewest> so you can include something on the page...
  347. [21:31:22] <dc__> briansuda: hey mate
  348. [21:31:25] <bewest> what if you included something like <a href="path/to/myuformat.html" rel="hcard">Hcard</a>
  349. [21:31:33] <briansuda> evening dc__
  350. [21:32:20] <dc__> briansuda: right.. I'll get them started soon.. had a bit of a server move around this month.
  351. [21:32:20] <dc__> briansuda: I've kind of reached a wall with xfn though
  352. [21:32:34] <drewinthehead> you can reference other urls , of course, but they're not included in real time, as such
  353. [21:32:35] <dc__> briansuda: the problem being there's no official/widespread way to identify individuals
  354. [21:33:00] <briansuda> dc__, next month i will have more free-time, maybe we can hammer out alot of the issues?
  355. [21:33:02] <bewest> <a id="external_source" href="/hcard.html" rel="hcard">Foreign Hcard</a> <span class="vcard"> <object data="#external_source" class="include"></object></span>
  356. [21:33:10] <bewest> hmmm there's nothing "visible" there
  357. [21:33:20] <bewest> but what if a javascript thing did it in real time
  358. [21:33:47] <dc__> briansuda: that would be great.. the problem is basically if I release the service, I would start breaking mine and everyone else's xfn networks. The only way would be to not actually product xfn format links on the site.. but that'd be real backwards.
  359. [21:33:59] <dc__> briansuda: so yeh, give me a mail, I'd love to get the service out in the wild sometime.
  360. [21:34:36] <briansuda> i really like the idea and would like to see things move forward.
  361. [21:35:09] <briansuda> i think there are ways (heuristics) we can use
  362. [21:35:14] <dc__> briansuda: agreed. there's some good code in the spider etc... :)
  363. [21:35:31] <briansuda> if, not, then we just ignore the ME, that was giving us the problems
  364. [21:36:00] <bewest> or <a id="external_source" href="/hcard.html" rel="hcard">Foreign Hcard</a> <object data="#external_source" class="vcard include"> </object> :-D
  365. [21:36:56] <dc__> http://www.dbachrach.com/opensoft/
  366. [21:36:59] <dc__> errr.
  367. [21:37:19] <bewest> or how about <ins cite="myEvents.html"></ins> ???
  368. [21:40:05] <dc__> http://www.fearoffish.co.uk/
  369. [21:40:07] <dc__> so..
  370. [21:40:13] <dc__> who thinks the sidebar bg is redish?
  371. [21:40:25] <qid> bewest: as long as you're not going across servers, how about <!--#include virtual="whatever.html"--> :-D
  372. [21:40:58] <bewest> qid: because that's not nearly as cool
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  375. [21:51:46] <kingryan> so, did we reach a conclusion on how to make the events stuff better?
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  377. [21:52:51] <bewest> kingryan: qid proposes using SSI, others propose a wordpress plugin, I propose some kind of client-side inclusion
  378. [21:53:04] <bewest> but I'm biased because that's where my current interests lie
  379. [21:53:07] <kingryan> I think there's a new wp plugin with hcalendar support, eh tantek?
  380. [21:54:04] <tantek> Slashchick revved CountDown during WordCamp to support hCalendar output and subscription using the Technorati Events Feed service.
  381. [21:57:26] <hober> CountDown + hCalendar + pingerati == happy hober
  382. [21:57:47] <kingryan> not sure if countdown uses pingerati
  383. [21:57:58] <kingryan> but that reminds me of something on my todo list
  384. [21:58:19] <hober> It doesn't, but it's the next logical step
  385. [22:00:59] <tantek> hober, yes, that is part of Erica's plan of course
  386. [22:01:09] <tantek> to ping pingerati whenever people post an event to their blog
  387. [22:01:12] <tantek> speaking of which
  388. [22:01:35] <tantek> any ETA on having Eventful automatically ping pingerati with new/updated events?
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  390. [22:05:44] <hober> That's a great question
  391. [22:05:50] * hober passes it along to someone who might know
  392. [22:06:10] <hober> I know that we consume pingerati pings
  393. [22:06:19] <hober> I don't know what the plan is WRT producing pings to pingerati
  394. [22:08:22] <tantek> would be really great to have Eventful on both the sending and receiving sides
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  397. [22:09:10] <bewest> lol: "melgibson" in MSN yield Technorati's tag page as the first result
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  399. [22:14:54] <kingryan> http://alexa.com/search?q=melgibson
  400. [22:15:23] <hober> tantek: we had a pinger running, but never saw the events show up, so danny stopped running it.
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  406. [22:15:47] <kingryan> never saw them show up where?
  407. [22:16:56] <hober> http://kitchen.technorati.com/event/search
  408. [22:17:16] <tantek> hober, what URL were you pinging?
  409. [22:17:34] <hober> He said he tried both the generic ping url and the event-specific one.
  410. [22:18:18] <KevinMarks> if you turn it on again, we can check
  411. [22:18:44] <hober> I'll ask him to
  412. [22:19:02] <KevinMarks> if our parser is failing we need to fix it
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  415. [22:21:09] <tantek> hober, if you can provide a few sample URLs that you sent with the pings, I can look and see what kitchen.technorati.com/events/search did with them
  416. [22:21:22] <tantek> were these eventful.com URLs?
  417. [22:21:27] <hober> yes
  418. [22:22:10] <hober> It'll be easier to turn the pinger back on than to try to find URLs it used in the past.
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  422. [22:29:10] <tantek> hober, do you know approximately what rate you were sending them?
  423. [22:30:06] <hober> ok, the pinger is running right now
  424. [22:32:39] <hober> tantek: no idea offhand
  425. [22:34:53] <tantek> hober, initially the update rates on the pinger were quite limited, but the capacity has been greatly increased since then
  426. [22:35:14] <tantek> it is possible that due to Eventful's rate of data, that your pinger was exceeding pingerati's initial rate limits
  427. [22:35:22] <hober> that would make sense
  428. [22:35:25] <tantek> and then you might not have found all the results
  429. [22:35:30] <tantek> but that's been fixed since then
  430. [22:36:01] <kingryan> i'm not seeing any eventful urls on pingerati.net's latest pings
  431. [22:36:37] <tantek> kingryan, KevinMarks and I are tracking it
  432. [22:36:52] <hober> you should be getting a few a second right now
  433. [22:37:42] <tantek> yep
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  435. [22:42:27] <hober> looking good! http://kitchen.technorati.com/event/search/eventful.com
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  437. [22:44:41] <hober> While we're on the subject of eventful & pingerati; could you s/evdb/eventful/ there?
  438. [22:44:53] <hober> that would be awesome
  439. [22:45:16] <KevinMarks> pingflood: http://pingerati.net/
  440. [22:45:18] <KevinMarks> ;)
  441. [22:46:16] <hober> heh
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  443. [22:47:20] <jibot> ryanlowe is Ryan Lowe, http://www.fanconcert.com
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  445. [22:52:09] <hober> also, I guess we should be listed under senders as well as receivers... :)
  446. [22:52:17] <tantek> hober, indeed!
  447. [22:52:37] * briansuda (n=briansud@h-68-166-252-239.chcgilgm.covad.net) Quit ()
  448. [22:52:50] <tantek> do you have a standard button image to use for Eventful?
  449. [22:52:56] <tantek> something 120px wide maximum
  450. [22:53:01] <tantek> and 30px tall maximum?
  451. [22:53:41] <KevinMarks> hope you can avoid the loop at your end...
  452. [22:53:59] <tantek> (what you see now on pingerati is a result of Tantek's l33t photoshop skillz applied to resizing the EVDB logo image)
  453. [22:54:04] * remi (n=remi@c207.134.19-156.clta.globetrotter.net) has joined #microformats
  454. [22:54:04] <jibot> remi is Remi Prevost, a web developper (yeah, that's how we spell "developer" in french) from Quebec and blogs about web stuff at <http://remiprevost.com/>
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  456. [22:56:55] <hober> heh
  457. [22:56:56] <tantek> hober, does eventful ping in bursts?
  458. [22:58:23] <hober> right now, it's playing catch up. it'll pull 100 events, ping them, pull, ping, etc.
  459. [22:58:38] <hober> once it's caught up, it'll ping every 5min or so with changed/new events in that 5min
  460. [22:58:45] <tantek> ok, good to know
  461. [22:58:59] <hober> we can fiddle with that to your liking too
  462. [22:59:04] * hober asks around for a logo
  463. [22:59:14] <tantek> we're over 1000 Eventful events now in only 10 minutes
  464. [22:59:49] <hober> heh
  465. [22:59:52] <hober> we rule
  466. [23:00:03] <tantek> hmm, at that rate, 1M events will take about 7 days to catchup
  467. [23:00:27] * hober is getting a logo of those dimensions for you...
  468. [23:00:28] <tantek> this is just by checking http://kitchen.technorati.com/events/search/eventful
  469. [23:00:33] <tantek> thanks hober!
  470. [23:01:20] <hober> You should expect on the order of 50,000 events in the next day or so I think
  471. [23:01:29] <hober> it'll be a large amount anyway
  472. [23:08:49] <hober> tantek: http://edward.oconnor.cx/tmp/eventful-100x30.png
  473. [23:11:03] <trel1023> pretty
  474. [23:21:47] <KevinMarks> is your official url eventful.com now too?
  475. [23:23:01] <KevinMarks> ie is that the link you want on pingerati, or the evdb one?
  476. [23:26:53] <hober> everything should point at eventful.com
  477. [23:27:02] <hober> evdb.com is deprecated
  478. [23:47:46] * ryanlowe (n=chatzill@CPE00045a734098-CM001225d89e7c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) Quit ("Chatzilla 0.9.73 [Firefox 1.5.0.6/2006072814]")
  479. [23:48:57] <KevinMarks> OK, reload pingerati
  480. [23:49:26] <hober> Yay!
  481. [23:49:30] <hober> that looks awesome; thanks!
  482. [23:51:25] <kingryan> "Recently updated pages
  483. [23:51:25] <kingryan> 1. Eventful: Fucked Up..."
  484. [23:51:54] <hober> yeah, it's a concert from a label that contacted podbop asking how to get all their concerts in
  485. [23:53:32] <hober> podbop pointed them at us, ..., profanity on pingerati. brilliant! :)
  486. [23:53:38] <kingryan> nice
  487. [23:55:58] <KevinMarks> compared to some of our 'featured blogegr' photos recently, thats mild
  488. [23:56:42] <hober> KevinMarks: I bet!
  489. [23:58:05] <KevinMarks> pingerati is much quicker to update than the main site
  490. [23:59:58] <KevinMarks> like the good old days when we edited the code on the live server

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