IRC Log for #microformats on 2006-08-13

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  8. [03:07:00] <jibot> amanuel is Amanuel, the social ambassador at http://otavo.com
  9. [03:09:00] <amanuel> in what ways is SIOC and hatom similar?
  10. [03:13:58] <factoryjoe> url for SIOC?
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  12. [03:25:15] <amanuel> hi factoryjoe
  13. [03:25:33] <amanuel> http://rdfs.org/sioc/
  14. [03:25:54] <amanuel> I am in love with hAtom now
  15. [03:26:02] <factoryjoe> ince!
  16. [03:26:05] <factoryjoe> nice!
  17. [03:26:12] <amanuel> I read this http://microformats.org/discuss/mail/microformats-discuss/2005-November/001866.html
  18. [03:26:36] <amanuel> and that reminded me why microformats are the way to go...again.
  19. [03:26:54] <amanuel> finally I have my container for quests.
  20. [03:27:18] <amanuel> I was not pleased with xoxo as it was too loose.
  21. [03:27:25] <factoryjoe> mm
  22. [03:27:32] <factoryjoe> have you looked into the group brainstorming work?
  23. [03:27:47] <amanuel> yeah I have. xoxo = a list.
  24. [03:28:00] <factoryjoe> a very simple list
  25. [03:28:01] <amanuel> no real rules beyond that....all optional
  26. [03:28:04] <factoryjoe> very similar to opml
  27. [03:28:09] <factoryjoe> but any browser will support it
  28. [03:28:23] <factoryjoe> as, it should ideally validate
  29. [03:28:27] <factoryjoe> xoxo + hatom is pretty good
  30. [03:28:32] <factoryjoe> or xoxo + xfn
  31. [03:28:45] <amanuel> I am thinking hAtom +xFolk
  32. [03:28:51] <amanuel> for the quests
  33. [03:28:57] <factoryjoe> ma.gnolia already supports that
  34. [03:29:01] <factoryjoe> it's a good reference
  35. [03:29:09] <factoryjoe> technorati already indexes that
  36. [03:29:29] <amanuel> Otavo has xFolk but no good container to frame the set of links
  37. [03:29:45] <factoryjoe> container?
  38. [03:29:51] <amanuel> yes
  39. [03:30:00] <amanuel> let me give you an example
  40. [03:30:30] <amanuel> http://otavo.com/quests/great-online-cartoons
  41. [03:30:48] <amanuel> that contains a set of links which are marked up as xFolk.
  42. [03:31:22] <amanuel> with hAtom, I can frame the quest the reason why those links are relevant
  43. [03:31:33] <factoryjoe> right
  44. [03:31:47] <factoryjoe> <hatom><hentry><xfolk></hentry></htaom>
  45. [03:31:51] <amanuel> to humans it is all the same...but for auto parsing hAtom will enbed more data
  46. [03:31:54] <amanuel> yup
  47. [03:32:07] <amanuel> embed.
  48. [03:32:10] <factoryjoe> right
  49. [03:32:23] <factoryjoe> plus, i can subscribe to the webpage
  50. [03:32:27] <factoryjoe> no need for a separate feed
  51. [03:32:50] <amanuel> yes
  52. [03:33:31] <factoryjoe> did you see my post on this/
  53. [03:33:37] <factoryjoe> http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/08/06/wordpress-makes-a-move-towards-hatom-gets-upgrades/
  54. [03:33:51] <amanuel> yes that's what brought it to my attention
  55. [03:34:11] <amanuel> I still read your blog...sometimes.
  56. [03:34:21] <amanuel> ;)
  57. [03:35:09] <amanuel> I had scoured the microformats to have a container for the quest but left it out as I was not satisfied with xoxo.
  58. [03:35:37] <amanuel> I mean these days everyone uses <ul> lists for design
  59. [03:36:19] <amanuel> if the class="xoxo" is optional I felt it was impossible to guarantee proper parsing.
  60. [03:36:56] <amanuel> I like xoxo's principles...it is just not for what I needed on quests
  61. [03:37:49] <factoryjoe> hmm
  62. [03:37:50] <factoryjoe> i see
  63. [03:37:55] <factoryjoe> you might post this to the list then
  64. [03:37:59] <factoryjoe> and see what they offer
  65. [03:38:04] <factoryjoe> i see your point
  66. [03:38:10] <factoryjoe> but you can do things like look for context
  67. [03:38:31] <factoryjoe> furthermore -- xoxo only gives you structure
  68. [03:38:35] <factoryjoe> and loose relationship
  69. [03:38:48] <factoryjoe> but xoxo inside an hentry could prove useful, especially with xfolk --
  70. [03:38:53] <amanuel> yes xoxo is good substitute for opml but beyond that things go gray.
  71. [03:39:04] <factoryjoe> that starts to build a rich semantic picture
  72. [03:39:19] <factoryjoe> hence the question about SIOC?
  73. [03:39:31] <factoryjoe> again, post the question to the group framing it as such...
  74. [03:39:38] <factoryjoe> i wonder if a quest is really like a group?
  75. [03:39:41] <amanuel> SIOC is a like opml a layer outside.
  76. [03:39:41] <factoryjoe> with members?
  77. [03:40:14] <factoryjoe> um
  78. [03:40:22] <amanuel> yes a quest is a micro-community intent on solving something
  79. [03:40:37] <amanuel> or finding something...whatever they are gathering to do as defined in the quest
  80. [03:41:13] <factoryjoe> like a magnolia group?
  81. [03:41:15] <factoryjoe> finding what?
  82. [03:41:17] <factoryjoe> is it finite?
  83. [03:41:22] <amanuel> yes
  84. [03:41:27] <factoryjoe> ic
  85. [03:41:36] <amanuel> think collections in flock
  86. [03:41:59] <amanuel> but social collections based on intention as defined in the quest instead of tag/category
  87. [03:42:25] <amanuel> so the HOW/WHY not the WHAT is the gathering force
  88. [03:43:08] <factoryjoe> sure
  89. [03:43:15] <amanuel> quests don't have a 'finish' per-se
  90. [03:43:20] <factoryjoe> but the structure and relationships may already be expressed in other mFs
  91. [03:44:45] <amanuel> yeah
  92. [03:52:06] <factoryjoe> well, try the list
  93. [03:52:10] <factoryjoe> at least you have working code
  94. [03:52:17] <factoryjoe> and people like to fix working sites! ;)
  95. [03:57:47] <amanuel> lol
  96. [03:57:59] <amanuel> yeah I'll see how hAtom plays out.
  97. [03:59:18] <amanuel> otavo is doing well out in the wild...we even got our first plugin developed by one of the users.
  98. [03:59:53] <amanuel> community developed that is...it was a nice suprise.
  99. [04:01:07] <amanuel> http://lwallenstein.poweredbygeek.net/wordpress/?p=8
  100. [04:01:14] <amanuel> sidebar widget for wordpress
  101. [04:01:56] <amanuel> we had built 1 for myspace, JS widget with Typepad installer
  102. [04:02:46] <amanuel> see you around factoryjoe I have to get some stuff done.
  103. [04:02:58] <amanuel> nite
  104. [04:03:28] <factoryjoe> nice
  105. [04:03:33] <factoryjoe> ok g'nitte
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  114. [11:04:18] <jibot> trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and helps with www.multipack.co.uk
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  116. [11:10:23] <jibot> gsnedders is a 14 year old idiot from Scotland and pretends to have a website at http://geoffers.uni.cc/
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  121. [13:38:04] <jibot> qid is David Osolkowski (http://wadny.com/)
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  124. [13:53:30] <jibot> briansuda is brian suda of http://suda.co.uk/ and http://claimid.com/briansuda in his freetime he works on the X2V microformats parser (-0600 CST)
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  126. [13:59:21] <jibot> drewinthehead is the author of hKit and a developer for Yahoo! Europe
  127. [14:11:54] <briansuda> has anyone given any thoughts to using the GEO microformat with images?
  128. [14:12:33] <briansuda> <abbr title="3.14;2.78" class="geo"><img src="house.png"/></abbr>
  129. [14:13:26] <briansuda> or according to the hcard-parsing page, on an IMG element it looks to the alt?
  130. [14:13:55] <briansuda> <img src="house.png" alt="3.14;2.78" class="geo"/> would that acceptable?
  131. [14:14:43] <drewinthehead> alt certainly wouldn't be appropriate ... it's different information, not an alternative
  132. [14:15:03] <drewinthehead> i don't think abbr is right either
  133. [14:15:41] <drewinthehead> as for a good solution, i'm not sure i have one, so enough with the negative comments from me ;)
  134. [14:15:47] <briansuda> wel @alt is alternative, which is ok to be different
  135. [14:16:01] <briansuda> drewinthehead, what happened to http://tools.microformatics.com/
  136. [14:16:19] <drewinthehead> http://tools.microformatic.com/
  137. [14:16:26] <briansuda> ah
  138. [14:16:39] <briansuda> then there is a squater at the plural
  139. [14:16:53] <drewinthehead> nope, that's me also :D
  140. [14:17:01] <drewinthehead> i'll make sure they point to the same place
  141. [14:17:22] <briansuda> :)
  142. [14:17:31] <briansuda> is there a link to download hKit?
  143. [14:17:52] <drewinthehead> http://allinthehead.com/hkit
  144. [14:18:02] <drewinthehead> i should add it to that site too
  145. [14:18:07] <drewinthehead> i'm in a mess :)
  146. [14:31:07] <briansuda> i have run across this hCard page (http://www.informatik.uni-hamburg.de/SVS/personnel/henrich/index.php) i think the author of that page has been in this IRC before.
  147. [14:31:38] <briansuda> it uses PGP in the hCard, so this is a first in the wild, but it has malformed UTF-8, so i can't parse it
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  149. [14:51:42] <jibot> amanuel is Amanuel, the social ambassador at http://otavo.com
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  151. [14:54:31] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  153. [15:07:33] <amanuel> what's the url for the technorati kitchen thing that was announced about MFs?
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  156. [15:08:59] * amanuel found it nevermind
  157. [15:11:47] <tantek> hello amanuel
  158. [15:12:02] <amanuel> hi tantek
  159. [15:12:34] <tantek> let me know if you have any feedback about http://kitchen.technorati.com/search/
  160. [15:13:17] <amanuel> k.
  161. [15:13:39] <amanuel> I had a chat yesterday about hAtom with factoryjoe
  162. [15:14:14] <amanuel> I was looking for a container to hold lists of links based on intentions.
  163. [15:15:15] <amanuel> I want it easier for search engines and other automated system to parse and recognize that a given set of xFolk are related
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  165. [15:16:05] <amanuel> but I see that microformat search doesn't do anything with xFolk :(
  166. [15:16:09] <amanuel> or hAtom
  167. [15:17:06] <amanuel> I'll be back soon. gotta go now.
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  173. [15:39:47] <briansuda> interesting that i stumble across Microformats references on Wikipedia all the time (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semantic_link)
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  181. [17:17:46] <jibot> Jonnay is a programmer, graphic designer and musician. He blogs at http://blog.jonnay.net and his music is at http://www.jonnay.net
  182. [17:22:15] <mfbot> [[WikiNode]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=WikiNode&diff=0&oldid=8109 * MarkDilley * (+0)
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  184. [17:38:34] <jibot> remi is Remi Prevost, a web developper (yeah, that's how we spell "developer" in french) from Quebec and blogs about web stuff at <http://remiprevost.com/>
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  186. [17:49:45] <cgranade> I just wanted to submit something for considering by the MF community.
  187. [17:50:24] <cgranade> Seemed too small to go through the full proposal process, but I wanted to ask if anyone else thought that using rel="nsfw" to mark NSFW content was a good idea.
  188. [17:51:13] <cgranade> I wrote about the issue here: http://cgranade.blogspot.com/2006/02/not-safe-for-work-case-for-new.html
  189. [17:52:25] <briansuda> that whole issue has been dealt with before
  190. [17:52:40] <cgranade> Ah. OK. Sorry to waste time, then. Didn't notice.
  191. [17:52:47] <briansuda> the whole idea of defining what IS and what ISN'T safe is out of scope
  192. [17:53:06] <briansuda> have a quick search on the mailing list archives, and you'll see the fall-out
  193. [17:53:37] <cgranade> OK. I'll go do that. Guess I should have first. Someone from another mailing list recommended posting here.
  194. [17:54:01] <cgranade> Once again, sorry to bring up yesterday's debate.
  195. [17:54:36] <briansuda> http://microformats.org/discuss/mail/microformats-discuss/2006-July/004942.html
  196. [17:54:46] <briansuda> not a problem, we're used to it
  197. [17:55:00] <cgranade> Sadly, I'm sure that's the case.
  198. [17:55:10] <briansuda> the more and more people that bring things-up the more and more references we get, and our archives come in very handy
  199. [17:55:45] <briansuda> the IRC is logged as well, alot of discussion happens here
  200. [17:55:46] <briansuda> http://rbach.priv.at/Microformats-IRC/
  201. [17:56:01] <briansuda> (obviously not too much discussion on the weekends :) )
  202. [17:56:28] <briansuda> the easiest way to search both of those is to use google and search for "site:http://rbach.priv.at/Microformats-IRC/ <search terms here>"
  203. [17:56:38] <cgranade> Thanks for the advice.
  204. [17:56:57] <briansuda> not a problem - the mailing list can be quite active, so there is ALOT to dig through!
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  206. [17:57:48] * briansuda thinks the overall consensus was to use rel-Tag
  207. [17:59:22] <cgranade> Seems like that would work, though it might be a bit verbose. Is there any way of attaching a rel-tag to an outgoing link? I can see that being useful in general.
  208. [17:59:33] <KevinMarks> xfolk
  209. [18:00:30] <KevinMarks> Related tags for 'nsfw': Eye Candy, Video, Sexy, Nudity, Sex, Funny, Glamour, Brunette, Music, Humor
  210. [18:00:38] <KevinMarks> according to technorati
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  212. [18:01:12] <cgranade> That's an interesting set of related tags.
  213. [18:02:55] <briansuda> KevinMarks, am i imagining things, or did the http://kitchen.technorati.com/ used to have an RSS feed?
  214. [18:03:10] <briansuda> ... an RSS feed of the search results
  215. [18:03:20] <KevinMarks> not sure
  216. [18:03:21] <briansuda> or did i just wish it did?
  217. [18:03:39] <KevinMarks> ask tantek - he did the front-end bits
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  220. [18:06:15] <briansuda> KevinMarks, question about pingerati, do you want the ACTUAL page with the microformatted data, or does the URL get crawled?
  221. [18:34:29] <KevinMarks> eh?
  222. [18:34:53] <KevinMarks> i dont quite follow that distinction
  223. [18:38:21] <KevinMarks> you send a url, we download it and look for mf's
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  227. [18:46:59] <briansuda> sorry, i meant that if i sent http://example.com/ would that spider all the links within the domain, or should i submit example.com/foo/ example.com/bar/ ...
  228. [18:47:12] <briansuda> each individually
  229. [18:59:37] <KevinMarks> individually
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  231. [19:08:08] <jibot> remi is Remi Prevost, a web developper (yeah, that's how we spell "developer" in french) from Quebec and blogs about web stuff at <http://remiprevost.com/>
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  236. [20:13:15] <jibot> pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
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  238. [20:16:46] <jibot> gsnedders is a 14 year old idiot from Scotland and pretends to have a website at http://geoffers.uni.cc/
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  240. [20:34:46] <jibot> cgriego is Chris Griego (-06:00) and a front-end developer at RD2, Inc.
  241. [20:36:44] <cgriego> briansuda: I noticed in xhtml2vcard.xsl that sometimes abbr is checked with name() and sometimes with local-name(). why not always local-name()?
  242. [20:37:05] <briansuda> not sure, it should be consistant
  243. [20:37:29] <briansuda> one gets the element name, and the other gets namespace and element name
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  245. [20:38:43] <cgriego> right, and I'm concerned since I'm using Dean Edward's abbr-cadabra trick, which uses a namespace on abbr elements so IE will behave :)
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  247. [20:39:13] <briansuda> let me know which works, and i can update the XSLT
  248. [20:40:23] * jon_ is now known as Cliche
  249. [20:40:31] <cgriego> can not all calls to name() be changed to local-name()?
  250. [20:41:07] <briansuda> probably, yes
  251. [20:41:31] <briansuda> local-name is the one then? that will ignore the namespace and look at just the element name
  252. [20:41:38] <cgriego> yes
  253. [20:46:36] <cgriego> briansuda: how did you lean XSL?
  254. [20:48:26] <briansuda> i've always puttered around with it. The easiest way to learn it is to just work on something
  255. [20:48:45] <briansuda> my XSLTs are not the best - they need alot of clean-up and refactorying :)
  256. [20:50:21] <cgriego> I've had to deal with it recently and it's pretty daunting
  257. [20:52:02] <briansuda> it can be, it is a declarative language so it takes abit to wrap your head around, but it pretty powerful once you understand it
  258. [20:52:37] <briansuda> ok, i have converted all the name() to local-name() and i am just testing for regression errors... so far so good
  259. [20:53:29] <cgriego> excellent
  260. [20:55:51] <briansuda> ok, you can use http://suda.co.uk/projects/X2V/ to test, that has the updated XSLT
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  264. [21:03:07] <cgriego> sorry, I'm getting a new version ready and uploaded
  265. [21:14:08] <cgriego> how outdated is the version at feeds.technorati.com/contact/?
  266. [21:14:11] <cgriego> I'm using it for comparison
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  268. [21:15:35] <jibot> ryanlowe is Ryan Lowe, http://www.fanconcert.com
  269. [21:21:10] <cgriego> technorati's version includes the geo information (html:abbr'd), which is actually incorrect because I have it as a child of the adr element (intentionally), sudo.co.uk is properly including additional URLs, and is translating an en-dash properly.
  270. [21:21:37] <cgriego> but sudo.co.uk now drops the region, which is also html:abbr'd, technorati does not
  271. [21:23:20] <briansuda> do you have a link?
  272. [21:23:56] <cgriego> I'm minimizing the page now
  273. [21:30:36] <cgriego> briansuda: http://vivalaweb.info/hcard.html
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  275. [21:34:06] * briansuda is looking
  276. [21:36:35] <briansuda> ok, i know what the problem is....
  277. [21:37:13] <briansuda> in order to make sure the HTML is well-formed i have to pass the page through TIDY (http://cgi.w3.org/cgi-bin/tidy?docAddr=http%3A%2F%2Fvivalaweb.info%2Fhcard.html) and that is stripping out your <html:abbr>
  278. [21:37:34] <Cliche> hey all, i think i may have an idea for a new microformat but i'm not sure the best way of going about getting started; ie fining out if it's already been done or where to start researching the existing applications that would benefit from the mf
  279. [21:37:41] <briansuda> the technorati service uses an internal TIDY, my hosting provider has an old version of PHP, so tidy is not installed.
  280. [21:38:25] <briansuda> Cliche, read through this first: http://microformats.org/wiki/process
  281. [21:38:49] <cgriego> grr, tidy loves being the bane of my existance
  282. [21:38:59] <Cliche> thanks, found that page last night but it was late so didnt read it and couldnt find it again
  283. [21:39:06] <briansuda> cgriego, i will soon be moving to a new hosting provider and should be able to run TIDY locally so i can configure some of this stuff
  284. [21:39:59] <briansuda> cgriego, if you see kingryan or tantek online, they can update the Technorati service, i have checked the code into hg.microformats.org so they can get it from there.
  285. [21:40:25] <cgriego> ok
  286. [21:40:33] <cgriego> do you plan on updating the version number at all?
  287. [21:41:20] <cgriego> and of course, thanks for your help :)
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  289. [21:43:19] <qid> Cliche: what's your idea? I think I'm fairly familiar with what sorts of things have been proposed before so I can let you know if someone's already come up with the same idea
  290. [21:43:38] <cgriego> oh you did update the version, the minor version isn't in the Prodid
  291. [21:47:01] <Cliche> qid, just reading the page briansuda linked me. i know what the problem is and it will be pretty straight forward to document current behavior but i can't quite work out if microformats is the way to solve the problem.
  292. [21:47:49] <qid> that's ok, microformats can't solve everything :-)
  293. [21:50:04] <Cliche> if i tell you the starts of my idea woul you be able to help me decide if its worth persuing or not?
  294. [21:50:09] <qid> sure
  295. [21:54:38] <briansuda> cgriego, in the comments at the top of the XSLT there is a version 0.8.4, i should update that in the PRODID too, so you can easily tell the difference between the technorati version and mine
  296. [21:59:46] <Cliche> well a few days ago i aksed my family members, non technical net users, what they found annoying about the net. and nearly all of them said its annoying that its impossible to tell the _way_ in which someone said something. and on a similar line my sister, who uses adium, says is annoying that emoticon rnt standard, for example to show a face some protocols use :) while others use :-) and she dosnt want to have to rememb
  297. [22:03:56] <qid> I'm guessing that's more the fault of lazy or poor writing than any technical issue
  298. [22:04:14] <qid> or indeed the very nature of written communication
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  300. [22:10:02] <qid> on the subject of emoticons more specifically, I'm not sure I see an issue... :) and :-) are both smiley faces, it seems unlikely that someone would understand what one means but not the other
  301. [22:11:02] <qid> once someone gets the general principle of an emoticon just being a sideways face, most of them become pretty obvious
  302. [22:12:08] <Cliche> it was a very basic example. some protocols/clients use : ) and some : - ) when using a multi protocol client if you type the wrong one the other person dosn't get the emoticon u intended, they get either a different one or just the text, unless it recognises both as the same image
  303. [22:12:51] <Cliche> i realise now having typed it out that microformats rnt the solution to that problem
  304. [22:15:34] <Cliche> mfs are very kewl though :D
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  308. [22:58:56] <jibot> remi is Remi Prevost, a web developper (yeah, that's how we spell "developer" in french) from Quebec and blogs about web stuff at <http://remiprevost.com/>
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