IRC Log for #microformats on 2006-08-14

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  3. [00:42:43] <cgriego> briansuda: I just noticed an error in the µf cheat sheet. Under "Address (Draft)" it has .additional-address instead of .extended-address
  4. [00:43:04] <briansuda> which version? it says in the lower right-hand corner.
  5. [00:44:23] <cgriego> r08
  6. [00:44:41] <briansuda> yeah, you are right - i checked my master source and it is wrong... updating
  7. [00:49:39] <briansuda> ok, updated, double check at http://suda.co.uk/projects/microformats/cheatsheet/
  8. [00:50:30] <cgriego> looks good :)
  9. [00:52:43] <briansuda> so far you are todays winner at spotting two problems with my code :)
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  11. [01:01:39] <cgriego> briansuda: on that note, I can't seem to get my hcard's adr to parse. without it, it parses fine, with even a limited set, it errors. could you take a look? http://vivalaweb.info/hcard.html
  12. [01:12:59] <briansuda> ok, that seems to be working now.
  13. [01:14:29] <cgriego> oh? what was the issue?
  14. [01:16:50] <briansuda> there was a template being called that didn't exists. Not sure when/where that cropped-up? but it should be fixed
  15. [01:17:05] <briansuda> the output of your vCard is pretty crazy, so i'd have a look
  16. [01:17:55] <cgriego> yeah I see that, it's the hivelogic email enkoder
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  18. [01:45:34] <mfbot> [[picoformats]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=picoformats&diff=0&oldid=8110 * Chris Messina * (+68) added Kiboze Reference
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  25. [02:59:36] <qid> HTML uf cheatsheet updated with the same fix
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  27. [03:04:21] <jibot> pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
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  29. [03:27:01] <jibot> cgriego is Chris Griego (-06:00) and a front-end developer at RD2, Inc.
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  31. [03:50:09] <mfbot> [[Kiboze syntax]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Kiboze_syntax * Chris Messina * (+802) initially add
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  33. [03:55:50] <mfbot> [[Dodgeball syntax]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Dodgeball_syntax * Chris Messina * (+5973) Added glossary from Dodgeball
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  37. [04:34:11] <jibot> remi is Remi Prevost, a web developper (yeah, that's how we spell "developer" in french) from Quebec and blogs about web stuff at <http://remiprevost.com/>
  38. [04:51:37] <mfbot> [[events]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events&diff=0&oldid=8111 * John Allsopp * (+136) Upcoming -
  39. [04:52:18] <mfbot> [[events]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events&diff=0&oldid=8112 * John Allsopp * (-2) Upcoming -
  40. [04:52:44] <mfbot> [[Dodgeball syntax]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Dodgeball_syntax&diff=0&oldid=8113 * Chris Messina * (+74) added link to source
  41. [04:52:55] <mfbot> [[Dodgeball syntax]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Dodgeball_syntax&diff=0&oldid=8114 * Chris Messina * (+2)
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  50. [07:43:49] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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  52. [07:54:46] <jibot> trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and helps with www.multipack.co.uk
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  54. [08:04:51] <jibot> drewinthehead is the author of hKit and a developer for Yahoo! Europe
  55. [09:02:20] <drewinthehead> mornin'
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  57. [09:41:37] <jibot> ryanlowe is Ryan Lowe, http://www.fanconcert.com
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  62. [10:53:39] <drewinthehead> do we know anyone at Blogger/Google?
  63. [10:53:54] <drewinthehead> it'd be great to get hCard onto the blogger.com/profile pages
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  65. [11:04:05] <trovster> That'd be ace
  66. [11:14:13] <drewinthehead> turtley farbulous
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  71. [11:57:38] <jibot> McNulty is Ciaran McNulty (http://ciaranmcnulty.com)
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  73. [12:10:02] <McNulty> afternoon
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  75. [12:12:45] <jibot> gsnedders is a 14 year old idiot from Scotland and pretends to have a website at http://geoffers.uni.cc/
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  81. [13:07:49] <jibot> pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
  82. [13:26:22] <drewinthehead> greetings
  83. [13:26:51] <pnhChris> hiya
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  85. [13:27:43] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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  90. [13:39:42] <jibot> sreynen is Scott Reynen, who makes things at makedatamakesense.com
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  98. [14:09:18] <jibot> briansuda is brian suda of http://suda.co.uk/ and http://claimid.com/briansuda in his freetime he works on the X2V microformats parser (-0600 CST)
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  100. [14:19:23] <briansuda> KevinMarks, i sent some pings to pingerati, but i don't think the "Recently updated pages" section on the pingerati homepage has changed in the last few days...
  101. [14:25:50] <HenrichP> BrianSuda, thanks for pointing out the malformed UTF8 on my web site
  102. [14:29:33] <briansuda> HenrichP, i am looking into the ADR and KEY issues now
  103. [14:33:29] <HenrichP> Great, parsers like the one for GreaseMonkey seem to work out the ADR fine as: ADR;TYPE=HOME:;;Vogt-K�lln-Str. 30;Hamburg;;22527;Germany
  104. [14:34:06] <briansuda> i am looking to see if TIDY removes things, but it seems OK.
  105. [14:34:11] <HenrichP> BrianSuda, btw. how do one get on the mformat dev-list
  106. [14:34:13] <briansuda> http://cgi.w3.org/cgi-bin/tidy?docAddr=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.informatik.uni-hamburg.de%2FSVS%2Fpersonnel%2Fhenrich%2Findex.php
  107. [14:34:49] <briansuda> You'd have to be developing something, then email Tantek (i think) and he will add you. It is a much lower traffic list
  108. [14:35:53] <drewinthehead> (much lower!)
  109. [14:36:25] <HenrichP> ohh ... ok. Will do that in a while :-)
  110. [14:38:20] <HenrichP> As far as my findings with tidy are, it tends to remove tags if there are empty :-) Which is annoying when playing around with mf-markup. But as stated before: Hidden Markup shall be avoided.
  111. [14:39:09] <briansuda> i was testing stuff yesterday and it will strip namespace elements as well, someone was trying to trick IE by using <html:abbr> and TIDY removed those.
  112. [14:40:08] <HenrichP> BrianSuda, the older version of yours running at technorati, extracts the ADR just fine: http://technorati.com/contacts/http://www.informatik.uni-hamburg.de/SVS/personnel/henrich/index.php
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  114. [14:41:48] <briansuda> ok, the only thing i changed was the name() to local-name(), that must be causing some problems.
  115. [14:41:57] <briansuda> i am also looking into KEY
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  118. [14:51:57] <jibot> remi is Remi Prevost, a web developper (yeah, that's how we spell "developer" in french) from Quebec and blogs about web stuff at <http://remiprevost.com/>
  119. [14:53:54] <briansuda> OK, HenrichP, http://suda.co.uk/projects/X2V/get-vcard.php?uri=http%3A//www.informatik.uni-hamburg.de/SVS/personnel/henrich/index.php now pulls everything correctly!
  120. [14:54:15] <briansuda> please feel free to add a note to the wiki with a link to your "signed hCard"
  121. [14:58:53] <HenrichP> well kind of. I am not quite sure what the expected behaviour for the KEY's value shall be ?
  122. [15:00:07] <HenrichP> I think I would expect it to get URL if in an <A>, TITLE in an <ABR> ... but that might be something to discuss
  123. [15:01:04] <HenrichP> I'll post something on the discussion-mailing list later ...
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  125. [15:02:26] <jibot> RobertBachmann is Robert Bachmann <http://rbach.priv.at/> and lives in Austria (Timezone: UTC 02)
  126. [15:07:44] * briansuda is looking at the RFC for guidance
  127. [15:09:05] <briansuda> i think it is suppose to be you actual public key in ASCII
  128. [15:09:57] <HenrichP> briansuda, sorry got to go ... catch up later. Thanks for all the help and effort. I will keep you updated.
  129. [15:10:01] <briansuda> http://rfc.net/rfc2426.html#p26 (see page 26) about KEY
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  131. [15:11:44] <HenrichP> yes, I have seen that, but this is not something that you would want to show on your web page in clear, so it would be in <abbr> tag
  132. [15:12:20] <HenrichP> I think, at least that would be where I would put it ...
  133. [15:12:39] <briansuda> the <img> element has a longdesc property that takes an link?
  134. [15:12:48] <briansuda> we can discuss all the possiblities when you have time.
  135. [15:14:46] <HenrichP> by for now.
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  139. [15:25:51] <jibot> mlinksva is Mike Linksvayer and from Creative Commons
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  141. [15:26:58] <jibot> gsnedders is a 14 year old idiot from Scotland and pretends to have a website at http://geoffers.uni.cc/
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  143. [15:29:04] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  147. [15:39:23] <jibot> cgriego is Chris Griego (-06:00) and a front-end developer at RD2, Inc.
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  154. [15:55:15] <jibot> McNulty is Ciaran McNulty (http://ciaranmcnulty.com)
  155. [15:55:34] <McNulty> Anyone got an hResume parser up and running? Wouldn't mind something to test against once I've finished writing my CV
  156. [15:58:47] <trovster> davecardwell has one
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  160. [16:06:37] <McNulty> trovster - what's his site called?
  161. [16:06:51] <trovster> http://davecardwell.co.uk/cv/
  162. [16:10:33] * pnhChris needs to put looking at hresume on his to do list for this week
  163. [16:11:23] <McNulty> trovster - oh I thought you meant he had a parser
  164. [16:12:20] <pnhChris> not sure it really fits what I want it to do (more client list / descriptive approach then a typical resume)
  165. [16:12:30] <pnhChris> but i haven't looked at it in some time
  166. [16:16:55] * drewinthehead gets grouchy every time hRésumé is mentioned
  167. [16:17:26] * drewinthehead is a curmudgeon
  168. [16:18:14] <qid> drewinthehead: why, what's your problem with it?
  169. [16:18:46] <drewinthehead> irrational nomenclature grumps
  170. [16:19:29] <drewinthehead> i need to stop complaining and live with it :)
  171. [16:19:31] <McNulty> drewinthehead - such as?
  172. [16:20:01] <drewinthehead> resume = continue. résumé = history of work
  173. [16:21:01] <qid> unless you're stuck in us-ascii
  174. [16:21:19] <qid> in which case a history of work is a r?sum?
  175. [16:21:27] * pnhChris decides not to propose a hdownloadmanager :P
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  177. [16:22:27] <pnhChris> i guess i just saw it on my last read through to be a bit inflexible... but as i said.. i need to take the time to sort out my content first and then give it a real look
  178. [16:22:46] <drewinthehead> agreed. but as 'resume' isn't used in place of résumé here, and résumé isn't used much itself, i always misread it and think it's a microformat about re-starting
  179. [16:22:50] <pnhChris> e.g. experience has to be an event
  180. [16:23:32] <drewinthehead> but that's just my problem ... i'll live with it. i i'll stop moaning out it, it's not helpful or attractive ;)
  181. [16:25:24] <qid> HTML uf cheat sheet updated with fancy accents so drew can complain less
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  183. [16:26:15] <drewinthehead> qid: you're too kind ;)
  184. [16:26:16] <trovster> hCV then?
  185. [16:27:09] <qid> I can understand not using accents in the class name though
  186. [16:27:24] <drewinthehead> i'm happy with hRésumé as the name and hresume as the class name
  187. [16:27:28] <qid> that can open up all kinds of issues
  188. [16:27:37] <qid> ok
  189. [16:28:10] <drewinthehead> but i guess if US citizens read 'resume' as résumé it's just me being picky
  190. [16:28:41] <qid> well there are plenty of people that don't know how to type the accent
  191. [16:29:11] <qid> there's no way to type it in PuTTY, for one
  192. [16:29:29] <qid> or in notepad it seems
  193. [16:30:01] <qid> I know in Word you can use ctrl+' e
  194. [16:30:07] <drewinthehead> ah well .. it's not so important :)
  195. [16:30:32] <drewinthehead> i've gotta run for my bus! back in a couple of hours
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  197. [16:30:46] <pnhChris> bye drü
  198. [16:32:08] <pnhChris> or should it have been dréw
  199. [16:32:11] <pnhChris> i dunno
  200. [16:32:50] <pnhChris> i'm just a silly 'merican... who can do ¨ and ´on his mac
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  202. [16:32:58] <jibot> cgriego is Chris Griego (-06:00) and a front-end developer at RD2, Inc.
  203. [16:34:23] <McNulty> It should definitely be hCV
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  270. [20:46:52] <HenrichP> BrianSuda, hello i am still thinking if it would be sensible to use a more in-visible markup like abbr for storing the vlaue of the KEY Attribute.
  271. [20:47:29] <briansuda> possibly, does anyone publish their full public key in ASCII? or just link to it?
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  274. [20:50:50] <HenrichP> I think (from a quick search in google) that people do both, so there shall be the choice, if it is within an HREF than the URL shall be the URI for the Key
  275. [20:51:43] <briansuda> technically, the RFC is looking for binary data? not sure why?
  276. [20:52:09] <briansuda> do you know of any examples of people putting PGP information in regular vCard, not hCards?
  277. [20:53:15] <HenrichP> technically: yes thats how I also read the RFC, my point is just that if it is inside a abbr tag it is still binary, but need not be displayed in full ...
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  279. [20:55:38] <HenrichP> ... I have seen a lot of websites that actually display or link peoples PGP Keys. If they would have it in their vCARD i do not know, i just thought it would be "nice" to annotate the pgp-keys or certificates as they are often found on peoples personal pages next to all the other "vcard type information".
  280. [20:57:56] <briansuda> we can try it with URLs, but i'm not sure how/if importing applications (address books) deal with it?
  281. [20:58:19] <briansuda> if you are just linking to your KEY, then class="url" would work and/or class="url key" to cover all you bases
  282. [21:08:22] <HenrichP> That makes sense, I also doubt that URLs would make sense to applications, but I still suggest putting the key's value into an abbrevation title, perhaps with the fingerprint displayed.
  283. [21:08:50] <HenrichP> I ll update my website tomorrow when I get back into the office.
  284. [21:14:58] <HenrichP> thanks again.
  285. [21:15:02] <HenrichP> bye
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  287. [21:27:04] <qid> um... how would you store binary data in an abbr?
  288. [21:27:55] <briansuda> base64
  289. [21:28:34] <qid> I suppose if you declared that it must be in base64 format, that could work...
  290. [21:28:52] <qid> but if someone wanted to use a different format they'd be kinda SOL
  291. [21:30:10] <briansuda> true, this is really the first instace of KEY data being encoded into an hCard, so were learning as we go at the moment
  292. [21:30:13] <bewest> binary data in an abbr?
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  294. [21:30:49] <bewest> KEY attribute for what?
  295. [21:31:11] <briansuda> KEY is for publishing PGP or X509 keys
  296. [21:31:15] <bewest> ah
  297. [21:31:22] <bewest> it's binary?
  298. [21:31:30] <briansuda> the data URI allows for binary images to be encoded into HTML
  299. [21:31:49] <briansuda> as we read the spec (and i need to re-read it) it looks like the encoding type is always binary
  300. [21:31:59] <bewest> for data URI
  301. [21:32:01] <bewest> hmm
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  303. [21:32:21] <bewest> iirc it's also base64 encoded
  304. [21:33:18] <bewest> yeah, at face value I think it'd be <a href="<data uri for key" class="pgp key">My Key</a> or something similar
  305. [21:34:49] <pnhChris> rel-key?
  306. [21:35:51] <bewest> hmm
  307. [21:36:02] <bewest> rel="pgp"
  308. [21:36:06] <briansuda> well, it doesn't have to be a link, it can be in plain text as well. You see PGP signatures in email all the time
  309. [21:36:09] <pnhChris> whats a browser normally do if you click on a link to a key in this manner (data: or otherwise)
  310. [21:36:42] <bewest> well dunno about a link
  311. [21:36:46] <bewest> but you can put it in images
  312. [21:36:49] <bewest> and it will display the image
  313. [21:36:56] <pnhChris> does it try and consume it (i don't konw firefoxes security cert system well) or download it
  314. [21:37:34] <bewest> iirc if you enter an image encoded as a data uri into the address bar it will actually display the image
  315. [21:37:48] <briansuda> not to sound like a broken record, but it doesn't matter what CAN BE DONE, we are interested in what people ARE DOING
  316. [21:37:51] <pnhChris> sounds like something that needs to be mocked up some
  317. [21:38:01] <pnhChris> or found
  318. [21:38:21] <bewest> hmm
  319. [21:38:23] <pnhChris> briansuda: sure, and i agree, to some extent
  320. [21:38:27] <bewest> I should really get the hang of the tools I have available
  321. [21:38:34] <bewest> I can find out that kind of thing easily
  322. [21:38:52] <pnhChris> at some point in the maturity of some of these formats people are going to want to extend them.. be it with keys or IM names, or whatever else
  323. [21:39:58] <pnhChris> and I don't mean we should consider everything, or even this.. .but i wouldn't divert people from mocking up a "good way" for the sole reason of finding whats out there... see also include pattern
  324. [21:40:42] <briansuda> true, i just don't want to put the cart before the horse... we can look into crazy things like rel-key, browser integration, etc after we know what is out there and how it is being used.
  325. [21:40:56] <bewest> ok so the question is how people are publishing identity?
  326. [21:41:01] <bewest> or how they are publishing pgp keys?
  327. [21:41:03] <briansuda> publishing KEYS
  328. [21:41:04] <bewest> the latter is mroe specific
  329. [21:41:07] <bewest> ok
  330. [21:41:10] <bewest> KEYS
  331. [21:41:14] <bewest> in general or pgp?
  332. [21:41:27] <briansuda> vCard specifies PGP and X509
  333. [21:41:31] <bewest> ok
  334. [21:41:48] <pnhChris> (i only asked about browser specifics to try and avoid going down roads that would cause known trouble.)
  335. [21:42:04] <bewest> try googling (with quotes): "my pgp *"
  336. [21:42:21] <briansuda> http://rfc.net/rfc2426.html#p26
  337. [21:43:46] <briansuda> keytype = "X509" / "PGP" / iana-token / x-name
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  339. [21:44:18] <jibot> mlinksva is Mike Linksvayer and from Creative Commons
  340. [21:45:36] <qid> briansuda: so any key type but they only specifically mention those two?
  341. [21:46:07] <briansuda> yes, at the moment only those two
  342. [21:49:06] <bewest> Amazon web services uses x509
  343. [21:52:00] <bewest> ok, I just looked at a couple hits from google
  344. [21:52:15] <bewest> looks to me like most people publish it in the exact same format as shown on the rfc
  345. [21:52:33] <bewest> erm
  346. [21:52:53] <bewest> rather, there is an opening block with dashes, a version, the key as shown on the rfc, and then a closing block with dashes
  347. [21:53:00] <bewest> markup consists mostly of <pre>
  348. [21:53:10] <bewest> perhaps wrapped with a <div class="code"
  349. [21:53:39] <bewest> but that's when just the key is published...
  350. [21:53:53] <bewest> not necessarily in the context of publishing along with other contact info
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  382. [23:50:08] <_fil_> imagine a list of images with, for each : thumbnail, link to the big document, title, description
  383. [23:50:23] <_fil_> I can't find a way to code this cleanly
  384. [23:51:00] <qid> um... what are you trying to do with these images?
  385. [23:51:07] <_fil_> without descriptions I have a simple list of <a href=url type=image/jpeg title="image title"><img thuimbnail></a>
  386. [23:51:17] <_fil_> just a generic way of displaying them
  387. [23:51:30] <_fil_> microformat-ly yours of course
  388. [23:51:44] <_fil_> (to play with CsS and jquery afterwards)
  389. [23:52:17] <_fil_> I'm trying with <dt> <dd>... but it's soon a mess
  390. [23:52:26] <bewest> <dl><dt><img class="thumbnail" src="thumbnail" /></dt><dd>Details</dd> </dl
  391. [23:52:29] <bewest> <dl>!
  392. [23:52:35] <bewest> if you want it side by side
  393. [23:52:40] <bewest> well
  394. [23:52:43] <qid> CSS
  395. [23:52:49] <bewest> are the entries fairly uniform in height?
  396. [23:52:56] <bewest> is this a vertical list?
  397. [23:53:12] <_fil_> the problem is not presentation... this will be css
  398. [23:53:20] <_fil_> it's semantics
  399. [23:53:27] <bewest> ok... still affects what element you choose
  400. [23:53:35] <qid> dl could work as bewest suggested
  401. [23:53:54] <_fil_> bewest's example misses the document title
  402. [23:53:55] <bewest> qid: if it's a vertical list
  403. [23:54:31] <bewest> you can't easily get pairs to float next to eachother in a columned list
  404. [23:55:05] <bewest> <dd>Title, details etc...</dd>
  405. [23:55:20] <bewest> if that doesn't work you have to go more generic
  406. [23:55:36] <bewest> <li><span class="title">Title</span> etc...</li>
  407. [23:56:24] <_fil_> or <dd class="title">title</dd> <dd class="descritpion">description</dd> ?
  408. [23:56:51] <bewest> eh... maybe
  409. [23:57:07] <bewest> the problem with <dl> is there is no containing element to control the logical unit of an item
  410. [23:57:46] <_fil_> yep
  411. [23:57:59] <_fil_> <dl>...</dl> then another one for the next image
  412. [23:58:01] <bewest> which is partly why I asked if it is just a vertical list
  413. [23:58:09] <bewest> oh split them in to separate <dl?
  414. [23:58:12] <bewest> hmmm
  415. [23:58:18] <bewest> that defeats the purpose unless you have
  416. [23:58:30] <KevinMarks> well, an <li> per image and a <dl> for each iamages fieldset is OK, no?
  417. [23:58:35] <bewest> <ul> <li> <dl /> </li> <li><dl /> </li> </ul> kind of structure
  418. [23:58:50] <KevinMarks> exactly
  419. [23:58:58] <_fil_> yes
  420. [23:59:01] <_fil_> okay
  421. [23:59:01] <bewest> but that leaves something to be desired as well, doesn't it
  422. [23:59:09] <bewest> seems overly verbose
  423. [23:59:13] <KevinMarks> well, it is XOXOesque
  424. [23:59:15] <_fil_> it's not so good as one could hope
  425. [23:59:57] <_fil_> to exploit it with jquery and css will be feasible, and the result is fine without css... but it's verbose

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