IRC Log for #microformats on 2006-08-14
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- [00:42:43] <cgriego>
briansuda: I just noticed an error in the µf cheat sheet. Under "Address (Draft)" it has .additional-address instead of .extended-address
- [00:43:04] <briansuda>
which version? it says in the lower right-hand corner.
- [00:44:23] <cgriego>
r08
- [00:44:41] <briansuda>
yeah, you are right - i checked my master source and it is wrong... updating
- [00:49:39] <briansuda>
ok, updated, double check at http://suda.co.uk/projects/microformats/cheatsheet/
- [00:50:30] <cgriego>
looks good :)
- [00:52:43] <briansuda>
so far you are todays winner at spotting two problems with my code :)
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- [01:01:39] <cgriego>
briansuda: on that note, I can't seem to get my hcard's adr to parse. without it, it parses fine, with even a limited set, it errors. could you take a look? http://vivalaweb.info/hcard.html
- [01:12:59] <briansuda>
ok, that seems to be working now.
- [01:14:29] <cgriego>
oh? what was the issue?
- [01:16:50] <briansuda>
there was a template being called that didn't exists. Not sure when/where that cropped-up? but it should be fixed
- [01:17:05] <briansuda>
the output of your vCard is pretty crazy, so i'd have a look
- [01:17:55] <cgriego>
yeah I see that, it's the hivelogic email enkoder
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[[picoformats]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=picoformats&diff=0&oldid=8110 * Chris Messina * (+68) added Kiboze Reference
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- [02:59:36] <qid>
HTML uf cheatsheet updated with the same fix
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- [03:04:21] <jibot>
pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
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- [03:27:01] <jibot>
cgriego is Chris Griego (-06:00) and a front-end developer at RD2, Inc.
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- [03:50:09] <mfbot>
[[Kiboze syntax]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Kiboze_syntax * Chris Messina * (+802) initially add
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- [03:55:50] <mfbot>
[[Dodgeball syntax]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Dodgeball_syntax * Chris Messina * (+5973) Added glossary from Dodgeball
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remi is Remi Prevost, a web developper (yeah, that's how we spell "developer" in french) from Quebec and blogs about web stuff at <http://remiprevost.com/>
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[[events]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events&diff=0&oldid=8111 * John Allsopp * (+136) Upcoming -
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[[events]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events&diff=0&oldid=8112 * John Allsopp * (-2) Upcoming -
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[[Dodgeball syntax]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Dodgeball_syntax&diff=0&oldid=8113 * Chris Messina * (+74) added link to source
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[[Dodgeball syntax]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Dodgeball_syntax&diff=0&oldid=8114 * Chris Messina * (+2)
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bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and helps with www.multipack.co.uk
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- [08:04:51] <jibot>
drewinthehead is the author of hKit and a developer for Yahoo! Europe
- [09:02:20] <drewinthehead>
mornin'
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ryanlowe is Ryan Lowe, http://www.fanconcert.com
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- [10:53:39] <drewinthehead>
do we know anyone at Blogger/Google?
- [10:53:54] <drewinthehead>
it'd be great to get hCard onto the blogger.com/profile pages
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- [11:04:05] <trovster>
That'd be ace
- [11:14:13] <drewinthehead>
turtley farbulous
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McNulty is Ciaran McNulty (http://ciaranmcnulty.com)
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- [12:10:02] <McNulty>
afternoon
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gsnedders is a 14 year old idiot from Scotland and pretends to have a website at http://geoffers.uni.cc/
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pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
- [13:26:22] <drewinthehead>
greetings
- [13:26:51] <pnhChris>
hiya
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bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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sreynen is Scott Reynen, who makes things at makedatamakesense.com
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- [14:09:18] <jibot>
briansuda is brian suda of http://suda.co.uk/ and http://claimid.com/briansuda in his freetime he works on the X2V microformats parser (-0600 CST)
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- [14:19:23] <briansuda>
KevinMarks, i sent some pings to pingerati, but i don't think the "Recently updated pages" section on the pingerati homepage has changed in the last few days...
- [14:25:50] <HenrichP>
BrianSuda, thanks for pointing out the malformed UTF8 on my web site
- [14:29:33] <briansuda>
HenrichP, i am looking into the ADR and KEY issues now
- [14:33:29] <HenrichP>
Great, parsers like the one for GreaseMonkey seem to work out the ADR fine as: ADR;TYPE=HOME:;;Vogt-K�lln-Str. 30;Hamburg;;22527;Germany
- [14:34:06] <briansuda>
i am looking to see if TIDY removes things, but it seems OK.
- [14:34:11] <HenrichP>
BrianSuda, btw. how do one get on the mformat dev-list
- [14:34:13] <briansuda>
http://cgi.w3.org/cgi-bin/tidy?docAddr=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.informatik.uni-hamburg.de%2FSVS%2Fpersonnel%2Fhenrich%2Findex.php
- [14:34:49] <briansuda>
You'd have to be developing something, then email Tantek (i think) and he will add you. It is a much lower traffic list
- [14:35:53] <drewinthehead>
(much lower!)
- [14:36:25] <HenrichP>
ohh ... ok. Will do that in a while :-)
- [14:38:20] <HenrichP>
As far as my findings with tidy are, it tends to remove tags if there are empty :-) Which is annoying when playing around with mf-markup. But as stated before: Hidden Markup shall be avoided.
- [14:39:09] <briansuda>
i was testing stuff yesterday and it will strip namespace elements as well, someone was trying to trick IE by using <html:abbr> and TIDY removed those.
- [14:40:08] <HenrichP>
BrianSuda, the older version of yours running at technorati, extracts the ADR just fine: http://technorati.com/contacts/http://www.informatik.uni-hamburg.de/SVS/personnel/henrich/index.php
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- [14:41:48] <briansuda>
ok, the only thing i changed was the name() to local-name(), that must be causing some problems.
- [14:41:57] <briansuda>
i am also looking into KEY
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- [14:51:57] <jibot>
remi is Remi Prevost, a web developper (yeah, that's how we spell "developer" in french) from Quebec and blogs about web stuff at <http://remiprevost.com/>
- [14:53:54] <briansuda>
OK, HenrichP, http://suda.co.uk/projects/X2V/get-vcard.php?uri=http%3A//www.informatik.uni-hamburg.de/SVS/personnel/henrich/index.php now pulls everything correctly!
- [14:54:15] <briansuda>
please feel free to add a note to the wiki with a link to your "signed hCard"
- [14:58:53] <HenrichP>
well kind of. I am not quite sure what the expected behaviour for the KEY's value shall be ?
- [15:00:07] <HenrichP>
I think I would expect it to get URL if in an <A>, TITLE in an <ABR> ... but that might be something to discuss
- [15:01:04] <HenrichP>
I'll post something on the discussion-mailing list later ...
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RobertBachmann is Robert Bachmann <http://rbach.priv.at/> and lives in Austria (Timezone: UTC 02)
- [15:07:44] * briansuda is looking at the RFC for guidance
- [15:09:05] <briansuda>
i think it is suppose to be you actual public key in ASCII
- [15:09:57] <HenrichP>
briansuda, sorry got to go ... catch up later. Thanks for all the help and effort. I will keep you updated.
- [15:10:01] <briansuda>
http://rfc.net/rfc2426.html#p26 (see page 26) about KEY
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- [15:11:44] <HenrichP>
yes, I have seen that, but this is not something that you would want to show on your web page in clear, so it would be in <abbr> tag
- [15:12:20] <HenrichP>
I think, at least that would be where I would put it ...
- [15:12:39] <briansuda>
the <img> element has a longdesc property that takes an link?
- [15:12:48] <briansuda>
we can discuss all the possiblities when you have time.
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by for now.
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mlinksva is Mike Linksvayer and from Creative Commons
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gsnedders is a 14 year old idiot from Scotland and pretends to have a website at http://geoffers.uni.cc/
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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cgriego is Chris Griego (-06:00) and a front-end developer at RD2, Inc.
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McNulty is Ciaran McNulty (http://ciaranmcnulty.com)
- [15:55:34] <McNulty>
Anyone got an hResume parser up and running? Wouldn't mind something to test against once I've finished writing my CV
- [15:58:47] <trovster>
davecardwell has one
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- [16:06:37] <McNulty>
trovster - what's his site called?
- [16:06:51] <trovster>
http://davecardwell.co.uk/cv/
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- [16:11:23] <McNulty>
trovster - oh I thought you meant he had a parser
- [16:12:20] <pnhChris>
not sure it really fits what I want it to do (more client list / descriptive approach then a typical resume)
- [16:12:30] <pnhChris>
but i haven't looked at it in some time
- [16:16:55] * drewinthehead gets grouchy every time hRésumé is mentioned
- [16:17:26] * drewinthehead is a curmudgeon
- [16:18:14] <qid>
drewinthehead: why, what's your problem with it?
- [16:18:46] <drewinthehead>
irrational nomenclature grumps
- [16:19:29] <drewinthehead>
i need to stop complaining and live with it :)
- [16:19:31] <McNulty>
drewinthehead - such as?
- [16:20:01] <drewinthehead>
resume = continue. résumé = history of work
- [16:21:01] <qid>
unless you're stuck in us-ascii
- [16:21:19] <qid>
in which case a history of work is a r?sum?
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- [16:22:27] <pnhChris>
i guess i just saw it on my last read through to be a bit inflexible... but as i said.. i need to take the time to sort out my content first and then give it a real look
- [16:22:46] <drewinthehead>
agreed. but as 'resume' isn't used in place of résumé here, and résumé isn't used much itself, i always misread it and think it's a microformat about re-starting
- [16:22:50] <pnhChris>
e.g. experience has to be an event
- [16:23:32] <drewinthehead>
but that's just my problem ... i'll live with it. i i'll stop moaning out it, it's not helpful or attractive ;)
- [16:25:24] <qid>
HTML uf cheat sheet updated with fancy accents so drew can complain less
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- [16:26:15] <drewinthehead>
qid: you're too kind ;)
- [16:26:16] <trovster>
hCV then?
- [16:27:09] <qid>
I can understand not using accents in the class name though
- [16:27:24] <drewinthehead>
i'm happy with hRésumé as the name and hresume as the class name
- [16:27:28] <qid>
that can open up all kinds of issues
- [16:27:37] <qid>
ok
- [16:28:10] <drewinthehead>
but i guess if US citizens read 'resume' as résumé it's just me being picky
- [16:28:41] <qid>
well there are plenty of people that don't know how to type the accent
- [16:29:11] <qid>
there's no way to type it in PuTTY, for one
- [16:29:29] <qid>
or in notepad it seems
- [16:30:01] <qid>
I know in Word you can use ctrl+' e
- [16:30:07] <drewinthehead>
ah well .. it's not so important :)
- [16:30:32] <drewinthehead>
i've gotta run for my bus! back in a couple of hours
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- [16:30:46] <pnhChris>
bye drü
- [16:32:08] <pnhChris>
or should it have been dréw
- [16:32:11] <pnhChris>
i dunno
- [16:32:50] <pnhChris>
i'm just a silly 'merican... who can do ¨ and ´on his mac
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- [16:32:58] <jibot>
cgriego is Chris Griego (-06:00) and a front-end developer at RD2, Inc.
- [16:34:23] <McNulty>
It should definitely be hCV
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kingryan: in case briansuda hasn't already told you, he's updated X2V with some fixes
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I saw that
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- [20:46:52] <HenrichP>
BrianSuda, hello i am still thinking if it would be sensible to use a more in-visible markup like abbr for storing the vlaue of the KEY Attribute.
- [20:47:29] <briansuda>
possibly, does anyone publish their full public key in ASCII? or just link to it?
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- [20:50:50] <HenrichP>
I think (from a quick search in google) that people do both, so there shall be the choice, if it is within an HREF than the URL shall be the URI for the Key
- [20:51:43] <briansuda>
technically, the RFC is looking for binary data? not sure why?
- [20:52:09] <briansuda>
do you know of any examples of people putting PGP information in regular vCard, not hCards?
- [20:53:15] <HenrichP>
technically: yes thats how I also read the RFC, my point is just that if it is inside a abbr tag it is still binary, but need not be displayed in full ...
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... I have seen a lot of websites that actually display or link peoples PGP Keys. If they would have it in their vCARD i do not know, i just thought it would be "nice" to annotate the pgp-keys or certificates as they are often found on peoples personal pages next to all the other "vcard type information".
- [20:57:56] <briansuda>
we can try it with URLs, but i'm not sure how/if importing applications (address books) deal with it?
- [20:58:19] <briansuda>
if you are just linking to your KEY, then class="url" would work and/or class="url key" to cover all you bases
- [21:08:22] <HenrichP>
That makes sense, I also doubt that URLs would make sense to applications, but I still suggest putting the key's value into an abbrevation title, perhaps with the fingerprint displayed.
- [21:08:50] <HenrichP>
I ll update my website tomorrow when I get back into the office.
- [21:14:58] <HenrichP>
thanks again.
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bye
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- [21:27:04] <qid>
um... how would you store binary data in an abbr?
- [21:27:55] <briansuda>
base64
- [21:28:34] <qid>
I suppose if you declared that it must be in base64 format, that could work...
- [21:28:52] <qid>
but if someone wanted to use a different format they'd be kinda SOL
- [21:30:10] <briansuda>
true, this is really the first instace of KEY data being encoded into an hCard, so were learning as we go at the moment
- [21:30:13] <bewest>
binary data in an abbr?
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- [21:30:49] <bewest>
KEY attribute for what?
- [21:31:11] <briansuda>
KEY is for publishing PGP or X509 keys
- [21:31:15] <bewest>
ah
- [21:31:22] <bewest>
it's binary?
- [21:31:30] <briansuda>
the data URI allows for binary images to be encoded into HTML
- [21:31:49] <briansuda>
as we read the spec (and i need to re-read it) it looks like the encoding type is always binary
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for data URI
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hmm
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- [21:32:21] <bewest>
iirc it's also base64 encoded
- [21:33:18] <bewest>
yeah, at face value I think it'd be <a href="<data uri for key" class="pgp key">My Key</a> or something similar
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rel-key?
- [21:35:51] <bewest>
hmm
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rel="pgp"
- [21:36:06] <briansuda>
well, it doesn't have to be a link, it can be in plain text as well. You see PGP signatures in email all the time
- [21:36:09] <pnhChris>
whats a browser normally do if you click on a link to a key in this manner (data: or otherwise)
- [21:36:42] <bewest>
well dunno about a link
- [21:36:46] <bewest>
but you can put it in images
- [21:36:49] <bewest>
and it will display the image
- [21:36:56] <pnhChris>
does it try and consume it (i don't konw firefoxes security cert system well) or download it
- [21:37:34] <bewest>
iirc if you enter an image encoded as a data uri into the address bar it will actually display the image
- [21:37:48] <briansuda>
not to sound like a broken record, but it doesn't matter what CAN BE DONE, we are interested in what people ARE DOING
- [21:37:51] <pnhChris>
sounds like something that needs to be mocked up some
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or found
- [21:38:21] <bewest>
hmm
- [21:38:23] <pnhChris>
briansuda: sure, and i agree, to some extent
- [21:38:27] <bewest>
I should really get the hang of the tools I have available
- [21:38:34] <bewest>
I can find out that kind of thing easily
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at some point in the maturity of some of these formats people are going to want to extend them.. be it with keys or IM names, or whatever else
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and I don't mean we should consider everything, or even this.. .but i wouldn't divert people from mocking up a "good way" for the sole reason of finding whats out there... see also include pattern
- [21:40:42] <briansuda>
true, i just don't want to put the cart before the horse... we can look into crazy things like rel-key, browser integration, etc after we know what is out there and how it is being used.
- [21:40:56] <bewest>
ok so the question is how people are publishing identity?
- [21:41:01] <bewest>
or how they are publishing pgp keys?
- [21:41:03] <briansuda>
publishing KEYS
- [21:41:04] <bewest>
the latter is mroe specific
- [21:41:07] <bewest>
ok
- [21:41:10] <bewest>
KEYS
- [21:41:14] <bewest>
in general or pgp?
- [21:41:27] <briansuda>
vCard specifies PGP and X509
- [21:41:31] <bewest>
ok
- [21:41:48] <pnhChris>
(i only asked about browser specifics to try and avoid going down roads that would cause known trouble.)
- [21:42:04] <bewest>
try googling (with quotes): "my pgp *"
- [21:42:21] <briansuda>
http://rfc.net/rfc2426.html#p26
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keytype = "X509" / "PGP" / iana-token / x-name
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briansuda: so any key type but they only specifically mention those two?
- [21:46:07] <briansuda>
yes, at the moment only those two
- [21:49:06] <bewest>
Amazon web services uses x509
- [21:52:00] <bewest>
ok, I just looked at a couple hits from google
- [21:52:15] <bewest>
looks to me like most people publish it in the exact same format as shown on the rfc
- [21:52:33] <bewest>
erm
- [21:52:53] <bewest>
rather, there is an opening block with dashes, a version, the key as shown on the rfc, and then a closing block with dashes
- [21:53:00] <bewest>
markup consists mostly of <pre>
- [21:53:10] <bewest>
perhaps wrapped with a <div class="code"
- [21:53:39] <bewest>
but that's when just the key is published...
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not necessarily in the context of publishing along with other contact info
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- [23:50:08] <_fil_>
imagine a list of images with, for each : thumbnail, link to the big document, title, description
- [23:50:23] <_fil_>
I can't find a way to code this cleanly
- [23:51:00] <qid>
um... what are you trying to do with these images?
- [23:51:07] <_fil_>
without descriptions I have a simple list of <a href=url type=image/jpeg title="image title"><img thuimbnail></a>
- [23:51:17] <_fil_>
just a generic way of displaying them
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microformat-ly yours of course
- [23:51:44] <_fil_>
(to play with CsS and jquery afterwards)
- [23:52:17] <_fil_>
I'm trying with <dt> <dd>... but it's soon a mess
- [23:52:26] <bewest>
<dl><dt><img class="thumbnail" src="thumbnail" /></dt><dd>Details</dd> </dl
- [23:52:29] <bewest>
<dl>!
- [23:52:35] <bewest>
if you want it side by side
- [23:52:40] <bewest>
well
- [23:52:43] <qid>
CSS
- [23:52:49] <bewest>
are the entries fairly uniform in height?
- [23:52:56] <bewest>
is this a vertical list?
- [23:53:12] <_fil_>
the problem is not presentation... this will be css
- [23:53:20] <_fil_>
it's semantics
- [23:53:27] <bewest>
ok... still affects what element you choose
- [23:53:35] <qid>
dl could work as bewest suggested
- [23:53:54] <_fil_>
bewest's example misses the document title
- [23:53:55] <bewest>
qid: if it's a vertical list
- [23:54:31] <bewest>
you can't easily get pairs to float next to eachother in a columned list
- [23:55:05] <bewest>
<dd>Title, details etc...</dd>
- [23:55:20] <bewest>
if that doesn't work you have to go more generic
- [23:55:36] <bewest>
<li><span class="title">Title</span> etc...</li>
- [23:56:24] <_fil_>
or <dd class="title">title</dd> <dd class="descritpion">description</dd> ?
- [23:56:51] <bewest>
eh... maybe
- [23:57:07] <bewest>
the problem with <dl> is there is no containing element to control the logical unit of an item
- [23:57:46] <_fil_>
yep
- [23:57:59] <_fil_>
<dl>...</dl> then another one for the next image
- [23:58:01] <bewest>
which is partly why I asked if it is just a vertical list
- [23:58:09] <bewest>
oh split them in to separate <dl?
- [23:58:12] <bewest>
hmmm
- [23:58:18] <bewest>
that defeats the purpose unless you have
- [23:58:30] <KevinMarks>
well, an <li> per image and a <dl> for each iamages fieldset is OK, no?
- [23:58:35] <bewest>
<ul> <li> <dl /> </li> <li><dl /> </li> </ul> kind of structure
- [23:58:50] <KevinMarks>
exactly
- [23:58:58] <_fil_>
yes
- [23:59:01] <_fil_>
okay
- [23:59:01] <bewest>
but that leaves something to be desired as well, doesn't it
- [23:59:09] <bewest>
seems overly verbose
- [23:59:13] <KevinMarks>
well, it is XOXOesque
- [23:59:15] <_fil_>
it's not so good as one could hope
- [23:59:57] <_fil_>
to exploit it with jquery and css will be feasible, and the result is fine without css... but it's verbose
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