IRC Log for #microformats on 2006-08-21

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  18. [07:45:01] * Topic is 'Y! Local supports microformats! http://ylocalblog.com/blog/2006/06/21/we-now-support-microformats/ || add yourself to http://microformats.org/wiki/irc || http://www.digital-web.com/articles/microformats_primer/ | Channel is logged: http://microformats.org/wiki/mflogbot'
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  40. [07:50:03] <drewinthehead> we seem to have lost mfbot
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  45. [07:56:30] <drewinthehead> termie: do you look after jibot?
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  88. [10:59:52] <drewinthehead> .
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  93. [11:27:15] <trovster> hmmm. deprecated class names on http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-profile ...
  94. [11:30:28] * drewinthehead nods
  95. [11:31:10] <trovster> Mentions home, work, pref, cell, fax etc...
  96. [11:31:15] <drewinthehead> right
  97. [11:31:17] <drewinthehead> as class names
  98. [11:31:25] <drewinthehead> they're now values of type
  99. [11:31:45] <drewinthehead> so the class name is type, and thus home, work, cell etc aren't hidden
  100. [11:31:56] <trovster> Aha, OK
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  106. [12:51:50] <trovster> Opinions. http://en.example.com & http://es.example.com or http://www.example.com/en/ & http://www.example.com/es/
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  112. [13:16:42] <qid> trovster: there's also some sort of auto-language negotiation, I think, so you can do e.g. foo.html.en foo.html.es and apache will serve the correct one
  113. [13:17:38] <qid> and someone recently suggested putting both languages side-by-side on the same page, although I think that was specifically focused on community-based websites
  114. [13:23:40] <trovster> Second idea is not appropriate. First is interesting.
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  119. [13:36:42] <DanC> I gather the wikipedia folks greatly regret taking the http://es.example.com approach, though I haven't seen a 1st hand report
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  135. [14:00:28] <Phae> afternoon
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  138. [14:10:39] <drewinthehead> afternoon :)
  139. [14:11:07] <briansuda> hello
  140. [14:11:39] <Phae> :)
  141. [14:13:02] <drewinthehead> we've lost mfbot
  142. [14:13:38] <briansuda> we lost jibot too
  143. [14:13:49] <briansuda> mfbot is kingryan
  144. [14:14:07] <briansuda> it will probably be another hour or two before he is around
  145. [14:14:44] <Phae> jibot's been gone since yesterday
  146. [14:15:36] <drewinthehead> i gets attached to the lil buggers.
  147. [14:15:46] <briansuda> i think we need termie to get jibot back
  148. [14:15:54] * trovster has mfbot on ignore
  149. [14:16:08] <Phae> Poor mfbot.
  150. [14:16:08] * briansuda pokes termie to invite jibot back
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  153. [14:21:34] <Phae> hm.
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  171. [15:07:25] <Phae> Dave is having problems signing up to the uF wiki;
  172. [15:07:26] <Phae> Just gives me invalid username every time it try to sign up, of course
  173. [15:07:40] <Phae> it doesn't tell me how it's invalid...
  174. [15:08:19] <trovster> CamelCaseLameNess
  175. [15:08:38] <pnhChris> yup
  176. [15:09:01] <Phae> m'k
  177. [15:09:20] <qid> yeah, shouldn't the uf wiki names be lower-case-with-dashes? heh
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  180. [15:13:39] <drewinthehead> DaringDaveTheDestroyer
  181. [15:13:49] <drewinthehead> DashingDaveTheDivine
  182. [15:14:07] <drewinthehead> etc.
  183. [15:14:20] <drewinthehead> i need caffeine.
  184. [15:14:51] <pnhChris> and here i was thinking you should cut back
  185. [15:14:57] <Phae> I just had to switch to decaf.
  186. [15:15:01] <Phae> I had too much this morning :/
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  189. [15:24:07] <Phae> He's managed it now.
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  192. [15:33:53] <drewinthehead> did he use either of my suggestions? ;)
  193. [15:35:01] <Phae> I don't know. If he didn't - more fool him.
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  239. [19:45:33] <drewinthehead> greetings
  240. [19:49:36] <briansuda> hello
  241. [19:52:18] <Phae> hello!
  242. [19:55:46] <drewinthehead> hello hello
  243. [19:55:51] <drewinthehead> i see mfbot is back :)
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  245. [20:01:29] <kingryan> yeah mfbot needed a break
  246. [20:01:51] <Phae> aw
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  251. [20:24:56] <kingryan> yeah, Phae, mfbot has been working for awhile
  252. [20:25:19] <Phae> nice holiday location?
  253. [20:27:23] <kingryan> just a long weekend on the beach
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  257. [20:45:57] <mfbot> [[hcard]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=8232 * Florian * (+141) New Examples -
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  259. [20:50:33] <mfbot> [[hcard]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=8233 * Florian * (+0) New Examples -
  260. [20:51:07] <Phae> the hCard's in the wild list is starting to get really long
  261. [20:54:14] <mfbot> [[hcard]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=8234 * Florian * (+0) New Examples -
  262. [20:55:01] <kingryan> yeah, Phae, we need to refactor that out into a seperate page
  263. [20:55:25] * Phae nods.
  264. [20:56:38] <kingryan> http://microformats.org/wiki/to-do#reorganizing_Examples_in_the_Wild_sections
  265. [20:57:29] <kingryan> I know I've talked to tantek about this before, but didn't end up doing it
  266. [20:57:38] <kingryan> now, I don't remember why not
  267. [20:57:53] <Phae> heh
  268. [20:58:13] <Phae> They're always going to get too long eventually, no matter what, so you might want to think of a suitable list length cap
  269. [20:58:19] <Phae> can always do new lists for new versions
  270. [21:00:17] <kingryan> true
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  274. [21:08:46] <drewinthehead> perhaps if we had categories for in-the-wild, that would help
  275. [21:09:28] <drewinthehead> separate the blogs from the big corporates from the useful services etc
  276. [21:09:53] <Phae> aye, that'd be good
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  278. [21:15:40] <briansuda> all the results from kitchen.technorati.com are "in the wild"
  279. [21:15:59] <briansuda> if they could somehow 'dump' their database of mf content, we would have a pretty definitive list
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  282. [21:17:57] <drewinthehead> what do you think in the wild gets used for?
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  284. [21:18:14] <drewinthehead> personally, i use it for testcases
  285. [21:21:24] <sreynen> i also use it for test cases
  286. [21:22:11] <sreynen> and in doing so have discovered that a substantial portion of those links no longer contain the microformats
  287. [21:22:36] <sreynen> so pruning those would be a good way to shorten the list
  288. [21:22:41] <drewinthehead> rm 'em :)
  289. [21:25:17] <kingryan> feel free to rm any that are µfless
  290. [21:25:45] <briansuda> it looks like you can pass the quoted URL directly into kitchen (http://kitchen.technorati.com/contact/search/"http://suda.co.uk/contact/"). the problem, is that if nothing appears, then that doesn't mean there are no microformats, just that they are not listed.... but it might short list the ones you need to check?
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  292. [21:28:11] <drewinthehead> i could knock together a checker ontop of hkit
  293. [21:28:17] <drewinthehead> for hcard, at least
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  295. [21:37:35] <drewinthehead> i need to get myself sorted doing bus hacks... code that can be hacked together within my 1.5 hours of very wobbly commute.
  296. [21:38:32] <epeus> briansuda: we do only index a subset of known microformats though
  297. [21:39:07] <briansuda> right, but is we are checking hCards in the wild, then might as well check it against the kicthen
  298. [21:39:38] <epeus> yes, that will work
  299. [21:40:37] <briansuda> pingerati.net/ doesn't seem to be displaying any updates
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  303. [21:41:22] <KevinMarks> i still need to fix that
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  305. [21:45:27] <drewinthehead> woah ... an ant build of a jboss app that takes 70secs on my 1.25Ghz PowerBook just completed in 20secs on my Y! MacBook Pro.
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  308. [21:57:07] <tantek> drew, see that URL kingryan posted for a straw taxonomy for sections in a hCard examples in the wild page, and feel free to suggest improvements
  309. [21:57:15] <tantek> for your convenience: http://microformats.org/wiki/to-do#reorganizing_Examples_in_the_Wild_sections
  310. [22:03:17] <mfbot> [[hcard]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=8235 * Paul BHJ * (+334) Examples in the wild -
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  313. [22:13:04] <tantek> btw, please do not delete missing/broken/old example
  314. [22:13:22] <tantek> simply move them to the Examples with some problems sections
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