IRC Log for #microformats on 2006-08-23
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[[xoxo-ja]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=xoxo-ja&diff=0&oldid=8258 * Vantguarde * (+201)
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[[citation-examples-markup]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=citation-examples-markup&diff=0&oldid=8259 * Mike * (+1702) Add EPrints.org markup
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[[citation-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=citation-examples&diff=0&oldid=8260 * Mike * (+829) Add EPrints.org example
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[[User:IwaiMasaharu/english-to-japanese-map]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User:IwaiMasaharu/english-to-japanese-map&diff=0&oldid=8261 * IwaiMasaharu * (+28) 英日対訳表 O-Z -
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[[User:IwaiMasaharu/english-to-japanese-map]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User:IwaiMasaharu/english-to-japanese-map&diff=0&oldid=8262 * IwaiMasaharu * (+17) 英日対訳表 H-N -
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[[rel-license-ja]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rel-license-ja&diff=0&oldid=8263 * IwaiMasaharu * (+13) see also -
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- [08:10:36] <drewinthehead>
mornin' trovster
- [08:10:51] <trovster>
'lo
- [08:10:59] <drewinthehead>
have you had trouble with dates on hAtom at all?
- [08:11:05] <drewinthehead>
specifically hAtom2Atom
- [08:11:22] <trovster>
No idea, not looked that closely, tbh
- [08:11:49] <drewinthehead>
i have an example here where the date format looks fine (and the same as one that works) but the xslt is saying it needs a 4 digit year
- [08:11:52] <drewinthehead>
it's weird
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- [09:33:45] <drewinthehead>
jibot! :)
- [09:35:09] <drewinthehead>
?def drewinthehead
- [09:35:09] <jibot>
drewinthehead is the author of hKit and a developer for Yahoo! Europe
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[[votelinks-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=votelinks-issues&diff=0&oldid=8264 * Pornel * (+392)
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[[hcard]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=8265 * Duncan Smith * (+258) New Examples -
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[[votelinks-issues]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=votelinks-issues&diff=0&oldid=8266 * Pornel * (+6)
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- [11:46:02] <jibot>
bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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vmarks is in NC
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- [12:05:16] <drewinthehead>
what's a good thing to cite as a microformats-based mashup?
- [12:05:45] <trovster>
microformats, and, erm, mashup?
- [12:06:28] <drewinthehead>
yeah
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adactio austin, is good, but i'm wondering if there's something more mainstream
- [12:11:02] <drewinthehead>
briansuda has come cool geo->maps stuff
- [12:19:03] <drewinthehead>
which looks like it's not working currently.
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csarven is Sarven Capadisli and can be found online at http://www.csarven.ca
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marclaporte is Marc Laporte and involved in ilesansfil.org and interested in wikis, CMSs and groupware
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drewinthehead is the author of hKit and a developer for Yahoo! Europe
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sreynen is Scott Reynen, who makes things at makedatamakesense.com
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pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
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bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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briansuda is brian suda of http://suda.co.uk/ and http://claimid.com/briansuda in his freetime he works on the X2V microformats parser (-0600 CST)
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- [14:37:22] <drewinthehead>
hi briansuda
- [14:37:27] <briansuda>
morning!
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dglazkov is Dimitri Glazkov (http://glazkov.com) and lives in Birmingham, AL, USA (-6:00 GMT)
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- [14:42:06] <drewinthehead>
briansuda: do you have a version of your GEO -> GMaps instant mashup doodah?
- [14:42:18] <drewinthehead>
.. working?
- [14:42:29] <briansuda>
http://suda.co.uk/projects/microformats/geo/
- [14:42:32] <drewinthehead>
(that was supposed to be coherent. ho hum.)
- [14:42:44] <briansuda>
that SHOULD work, but i just upgraded from PHP 4 to PHP 5
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so there might be a few bugs
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i brought the TIDY service "in house"
- [14:43:11] <drewinthehead>
awesomenes
- [14:43:40] <briansuda>
if there are problems let me know
- [14:43:51] <briansuda>
Y!'s implementation of GeoRSS is incorrect
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and currently i am outputting that incorrect format,
- [14:44:51] <drewinthehead>
ok
- [14:45:40] <drewinthehead>
thanks :)
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mlinksva is Mike Linksvayer and from Creative Commons
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- [14:48:43] <pnhChris>
got lost
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:P
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i think it was silenced
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- [14:52:30] <jibot>
cgriego is Chris Griego (-06:00) and a front-end developer at RD2, Inc.
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Phae is Frances Berriman of http://www.fberriman.com/
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oh. jibot is back.
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gsnedders is a 14 year old idiot from Scotland and pretends to have a website at http://geoffers.uni.cc/
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- [15:31:39] <marclaporte>
how can I teach jibot?
- [15:31:50] <marclaporte>
man jibot
- [15:31:58] <marclaporte>
jibot: learn
- [15:32:07] <marclaporte>
jibot: help
- [15:33:42] <marclaporte>
?def marclaporte is Marc Laporte from Tiki CMS/Groupware
- [15:33:43] <jibot>
marclaporte is Marc Laporte & involved in ilesansfil.org & interested in wikis, CMSs & groupware & Marc Laporte from Tiki CMS/Groupware
- [15:35:59] <marclaporte>
?forget marclaporte is Marc Laporte & involved in ilesansfil.org & interested in wikis, CMSs & groupware & Marc Laporte from Tiki CMS/Groupware
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I no longer know anything about marclaporte
- [15:36:31] <marclaporte>
? def marclaporte is Marc Laporte from Tiki CMS/Groupware
- [15:36:32] <jibot>
marclaporte is Marc Laporte from Tiki CMS/Groupware
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- [16:11:48] <jibot>
briansuda is brian suda of http://suda.co.uk/ and http://claimid.com/briansuda in his freetime he works on the X2V microformats parser (-0600 CST)
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- [16:23:39] <_fil_>
is it legal to use <a rel="enclosure" length="xxxx"> ?
- [16:23:55] <_fil_>
or did I just invent a[@length] ?
- [16:24:00] <trovster>
Is length a valid attribute?
- [16:24:12] <_fil_>
that's my question
- [16:24:18] <trovster>
Doubtful
- [16:24:22] <_fil_>
too bad
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:)
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length in what units?
- [16:26:49] <KevinMarks>
you want a duration?
- [16:28:11] <trovster>
<a href="file.mp3" rel="enclosure">File <span class="size">2mb</span> <span class="length" title="65">1 minute 5 seconds</span></a> ?
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[[citation-fr]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=citation-fr&diff=0&oldid=8267 * Sébastien Guillon * (+1) Auteurs -
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marclaporte is Marc Laporte from Tiki CMS/Groupware
- [16:42:36] <_fil_>
there's a note at the bottom of http://microformats.org/wiki/rel-enclosure
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about length
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but in ATOM, not in XHTML
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Maybe something I suggested could be used, not in the spec, but it goes kinda with other formats
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[[citation-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=citation-examples&diff=0&oldid=8268 * Xiaoming Liu * (+182) EPrints.org -
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mlinksva is Mike Linksvayer and from Creative Commons
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[[citation-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=citation-examples&diff=0&oldid=8269 * Xiaoming Liu * (-18) EPrints.org -
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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other than .rating>abbr.value, I haven't stirred up any trouble this week. I'm really liking hReview's easy-going nature.
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- [17:01:50] <_fil_>
if an article has several authors, should each one of them have the rel="me" attribute in the a href to their personal page?
- [17:02:10] <_fil_>
this is my template:
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<span class="author vcard"><a href="#URL_AUTEUR" class="fn">#NOM</a></span>
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#NOM is replaced by the name
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when there are more than one authors, I use this template repeatedly, seperating it with ", "
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this is going to be the standard template for SPIP, so I'd better get it right :)
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kingryan is ryan king
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_fil_: put the url class on the link as well
- [17:24:24] <_fil_>
ok
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- [17:35:41] <_fil_>
does hatom require the author to be in <address /> ?
- [17:35:53] <tantek>
it's a SHOULD, not a MUST
- [17:36:23] <_fil_>
I don't like it, as it displays as a block and I want it inside a sentence (published by XXXX on ...)
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ok, good for SHOULD then :)
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<address> is one of the dumbest decisions in HTML
- [17:37:49] <tantek>
_fil_, the display is orthogonal to the semantic
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use CSS to change the display
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display: inline;
- [17:38:27] <tantek>
qid, I think the block/inline nesting distinction/restriction is the dumbest thing in HTML
- [17:39:05] <qid>
yeah, it would be nice if that got changed
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_fil_: is this displayed on every post or just once on the page?
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[[xfn-implementations-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=xfn-implementations-fr&diff=0&oldid=8270 * ChristopheDucamp * (+126) add ma.gnolia
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- [17:58:08] <_fil_>
sorry -- i was feeding my daughter
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yeah css is fine but it *has* to look nice without (or with lynx for example), because i can't ask 10 000 people to update their CSS files to include the address {} case
- [18:00:08] <_fil_>
it's going to be displayed on the home page, where summaries appear, so if you have several articles by the same author the vcard will be displayed that many times
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_fil_, sounds like you may be limited to using <span> or <cite>
- [18:03:30] <KevinMarks>
back to duration, is there a time interval equivalent of the date pattern?
- [18:04:08] <tantek>
Kevin, same pattern
- [18:04:12] <tantek>
already exists
- [18:04:17] <tantek>
hCalendar has "duration"
- [18:04:23] <tantek>
ISO8601 has time duration units
- [18:04:36] <tantek>
as does RFC2445
- [18:06:20] <KevinMarks>
I thought it did
- [18:06:50] <_fil_>
is there anything to indicate that a link is a "pagination" link? rel="next" for next page, but for the others??
- [18:07:14] <tantek>
you mean for the 1 2 3 4 5 etc.?
- [18:07:22] <tantek>
then no
- [18:08:30] <KevinMarks>
so, use the equivalent of the timestamp part of the date pattern
- [18:09:21] <KevinMarks>
ah, no 8601 is different
- [18:10:00] <KevinMarks>
A duration of 15 days, 5 hours and 20 seconds would be: P15DT5H0M20S
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- [18:13:35] <KevinMarks>
ew
- [18:16:09] <KevinMarks>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_8601#Duration says 'Alternately, a format more similar to the combined representation may be used: PYYYY-MM-DDThh:mm:ss. To represent the same duration as above in this format, use P0003-06-04T12:30:00.'
- [18:16:44] <KevinMarks>
so PT0:1:30 would be OK?
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hCalendar prefers the duration format defined in RFC2445
- [18:34:39] <KevinMarks>
the P15DT5H0M20S style?
- [18:35:38] <KevinMarks>
so PT0H1M30S rather than PT0:1:30
- [18:36:08] <KevinMarks>
'cos the latter is going to be nicer in the enclosure context
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greetings
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hi drew
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hey qid
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