IRC Log for #microformats on 2006-08-24
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- [00:15:33] <KevinMarks>
interesting piece by markp
- [00:15:56] <KevinMarks>
http://diveintomark.org/archives/2006/08/23/overton-window
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- [00:23:26] <qid>
http://evan.prodromou.name/RDFa_vs_microformats <--- er... some problems there, I think
- [00:23:54] <qid>
microformats defined by one organization? new formats require new data models?
- [00:29:49] <KevinMarks>
microformats are meant for convergence of common schemas
- [00:30:19] <KevinMarks>
not scaling out to an arbitrary Babel is a feature, not a bug
- [00:32:34] <KevinMarks>
also, by picking hCard, which is based on a pre-existing standard, he understates the convergence issue
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ajturner is Andrew Turner, a simulation and geolocation nut who blogs at http://highearthorbit.com
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briansuda is brian suda of http://suda.co.uk/ and http://claimid.com/briansuda in his freetime he works on the X2V microformats parser (-0600 CST)
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- [02:47:06] <jibot>
cgriego is Chris Griego (-06:00) and a front-end developer at RD2, Inc.
- [02:51:55] <cgriego>
where is the recipe discussions at with defining ingredients and measurements?
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- [02:52:17] <jibot>
tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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- [02:53:26] <cgriego>
tantek: has the recipe discussions gotten anywhere with defining measurements?
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- [02:55:24] <cgriego>
ah well
- [02:56:17] <cgriego>
this is coming out of me researching the currency/money discussions, and Tantek had made the point that a numeric value with a unit of measurement was an underlying common problem that was shared with the recipe discussions.
- [02:58:38] <cgriego>
would it then not make sense to reuse the type/value pattern? <li class="ingredient"><span class="value">2.5</span> <span class="type">Cups</span></li> which can also be used as <p class="currency>$<span class="value">20.00</span> <acronym class="type" title="United States Dollars">USD</acronym>
- [02:58:55] <cgriego>
</p>
- [02:59:51] <briansuda>
that makes sense, except that you still haven't "defined" cups
- [03:00:08] <briansuda>
i think there are a few terms that overlap but mean different things in different cultures
- [03:00:16] <briansuda>
ton/tonne
- [03:00:23] <briansuda>
metric ton, imperial ton
- [03:02:12] <cgriego>
true, could that then be further <abbr title="236.588238mL">Cups</abbr>?
- [03:04:03] <cgriego>
metric system seems like a fair system to agree on
- [03:04:25] <cgriego>
scientific community would seem to agree
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- [03:07:24] <jibot>
tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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- [03:20:11] <qid>
of course, that makes it more difficult to mark up
- [03:23:10] <cgriego>
as does the datetime pattern
- [03:23:39] <qid>
well, there's no transformation of units in datetime
- [03:26:18] <cgriego>
there's the human readable and machine readable versions
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- [04:39:26] <KevinMarks>
also the US uses volume, and the UK uses weight
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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mlinksva is Mike Linksvayer and from Creative Commons
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- [05:44:34] <mfbot>
[[hcalendar]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar&diff=0&oldid=8271 * Bob Jonkman * (+2241) Example - Added example with start and end times; reference to RFC3339 for human-readable date-time format
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- [06:01:15] <mfbot>
[[hcalendar]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar&diff=0&oldid=8272 * Tantek * (-541) fixed new vevent to match hcalendar markup in example
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[[hcard]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=8273 * Duncan Smith * (+134) New Examples -
- [06:52:49] <mfbot>
[[what-are-microformats]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=what-are-microformats&diff=0&oldid=8274 * M * (+2002) Add Yours Here -
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- [06:58:55] <factoryjoe>
hey harr
- [06:58:57] <factoryjoe>
oops
- [06:59:04] <factoryjoe>
nm
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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drewinthehead is the author of hKit and a developer for Yahoo! Europe
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trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and helps with www.multipack.co.uk
- [08:13:07] <drewinthehead>
mornin'
- [08:17:02] <trovster>
unfortunately, it is.
- [08:19:57] <drewinthehead>
heh :)
- [08:20:26] <drewinthehead>
sounds like you need more coffee
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[[hcalendar-ja]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar-ja&diff=0&oldid=8275 * IwaiMasaharu * (+1698) sync: english: 06:01, 24 Aug 2006
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marclaporte is Marc Laporte from Tiki CMS/Groupware
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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- [11:11:00] <Phae>
morning
- [11:18:19] <drewinthehead>
morning Phae
- [11:18:36] <Phae>
i love days off
- [11:22:10] <drewinthehead>
day off? i remember those :)
- [11:22:33] <Phae>
today and tomorrow.
- [11:22:48] <Phae>
I'm in cornwall. I did do some CSS stuff on the train though, so I'm being good.
- [11:22:52] <drewinthehead>
(actually i'm off tomorrow, back wednesday)
- [11:22:59] <Phae>
I dreamt about BarCamp last night.
- [11:23:03] <drewinthehead>
uh oh
- [11:23:10] <Phae>
I know! It was at my old college.
- [11:23:28] <drewinthehead>
BarCampPhaesOldCollege
- [11:23:37] <Phae>
heh
- [11:23:51] <Phae>
I was obviously very tired, and I'd been working on the MFPG
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- [11:24:07] <drewinthehead>
yay .. that's coming together from the look of it
- [11:24:22] <Phae>
mm hmm
- [11:25:33] <Phae>
We have loads of people on our event now.
- [11:25:54] <Phae>
Someone mentioned on my blog about a microbewery near London Bridge, so I'll try and track that down.
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- [11:27:12] <Phae>
http://www.beer-pages.co.uk/protz/features/brew-wharf.htm might be the one
- [11:28:31] <drewinthehead>
ah, awesome
- [11:29:36] <drewinthehead>
that looks like a nice place
- [11:29:45] <Phae>
yeah
- [11:29:58] <drewinthehead>
mmm 'roast meats'
- [11:30:42] <Phae>
hmm
- [11:30:48] <Phae>
they have a menu and such
- [11:32:17] <Phae>
It looks reasonably big though, and having an ourdoor bit is nice
- [11:32:23] <Phae>
on the small chance we have good weather
- [11:32:59] <drewinthehead>
seeing how grey august is, i don't hold out hope for the last day of september
- [11:33:18] <Phae>
I know. Depressing.
- [11:33:37] <Phae>
By good I'll be hoping for "dry"
- [11:33:40] <trovster>
Yeh, messes up this weekend :(
- [11:33:57] <Phae>
oh yeah
- [11:34:00] <Phae>
park meet
- [11:34:02] <Phae>
:/
- [11:35:50] <Phae>
I suppose I'll give them a buzz at some point then and see how they feel about random groups of developers on their doorstep
- [11:36:27] <drewinthehead>
that'd be ace
- [11:36:46] <drewinthehead>
trovster: too late to get someone to sponsor umbrellas? :)
- [11:36:53] <Phae>
that'd be a good idea
- [11:42:38] <drewinthehead>
what's your plan if it's raining heavily, trovster?
- [11:43:17] <trovster>
Well, that's why we've got a <marquee>
- [11:43:30] <Phae>
oh
- [11:43:32] <Phae>
well done!
- [11:44:50] <trovster>
urm, nah, I'm lying. Too much organising / cost / beuraucracy for public place.
- [11:45:09] <trovster>
Basically, we all cry and it goes down in history as a mess and I never arrange anything ever again.
- [11:45:22] <Phae>
How many people are you expecting?
- [11:45:25] <trovster>
2?
- [11:45:28] <Phae>
heh
- [11:45:30] <Phae>
Seriously!
- [11:45:37] <Phae>
You were well advertised.
- [11:45:57] <trovster>
doesn't mean anyone will be coming?
- [11:46:08] <Phae>
There's bound to be a pub (there's always a wetherspoons) that you can take refuge in
- [11:46:09] <trovster>
Are you? drewinthehead? I know the answer to that, but meh
- [11:46:50] <drewinthehead>
i'm at a festival all weekend
- [11:47:02] <drewinthehead>
which is technically work, as they're a client
- [11:47:13] <trovster>
ha
- [11:47:18] <Phae>
I was already booked up to come down to Cornwall for the Eden Sessions, unfortunately
- [11:47:56] <trovster>
See, like I said. Well advertised != people coming.
- [11:48:06] <Phae>
We're 2 people.
- [11:48:10] <Phae>
Upcoming is a good indication.
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- [11:48:29] <trovster>
http://www.geekdinner.co.uk/archives/2006/08/02/london-geek-picnic-26th-august-06/ - doesn't bode well
- [11:49:16] <drewinthehead>
know anyone with a gazebo, trovster?
- [11:49:23] <trovster>
not really, o
- [11:49:24] <trovster>
no
- [11:50:03] <drewinthehead>
http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/partNumber/6503484.htm
- [11:50:24] <drewinthehead>
"don't shop for it, argos it!" zomg.
- [11:50:38] <trovster>
Public place != gazebo
- [11:51:39] <drewinthehead>
what are they going to do about it?
- [11:51:59] <trovster>
Arrest me? heh
- [11:52:04] <drewinthehead>
send in the gazebo warden?
- [11:52:53] <Phae>
http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/12443/?view=beerfly reviews
- [12:00:36] <drewinthehead>
some of those reviews are way too in-depth
- [12:01:03] <Phae>
yeah
- [12:01:14] <Phae>
people who spend their whole lives JUST reviewing pubs
- [12:01:44] <drewinthehead>
"and soon you are front and square to the wide brick arch, freshly re-pointed"
- [12:02:18] <drewinthehead>
a vital part of the pub experience, in my book:- how recently the brickwork has been repointed.
- [12:04:52] <drewinthehead>
that said, the prospect of spending your whole life just reviewing pubs is somewhat tempting.
- [12:05:04] <drewinthehead>
although i fear it would be a short, yet happy life.
- [12:11:10] <Phae>
heh
- [12:11:12] <Phae>
truth.
- [12:11:31] <Phae>
brb
- [12:13:16] <drewinthehead>
:)
- [12:21:20] <trovster>
Meh, I didn't win the lottery :(
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csarven is Sarven Capadisli and can be found online at http://www.csarven.ca
- [12:33:28] <drewinthehead>
trovster: that reminds me of the idea for a microformat for scores/outcomes
- [12:33:45] <trovster>
hCup?
- [12:34:18] <drewinthehead>
certainly not ;)
- [12:35:13] <trovster>
Was my idea for length and size the correct idea for rel-enclosure?
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- [12:38:48] <drewinthehead>
where was that?
- [12:39:01] <trovster>
Yesterday, some time
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http://rbach.priv.at/Microformats-IRC/2006-08-23#T162811
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briansuda is brian suda of http://suda.co.uk/ and http://claimid.com/briansuda in his freetime he works on the X2V microformats parser (-0600 CST)
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drewinthehead is the author of hKit and a developer for Yahoo! Europe
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sreynen is Scott Reynen, who makes things at makedatamakesense.com
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dglazkov is Dimitri Glazkov (http://glazkov.com) and lives in Birmingham, AL, USA (-6:00 GMT)
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briansuda is brian suda of http://suda.co.uk/ and http://claimid.com/briansuda in his freetime he works on the X2V microformats parser (-0600 CST)
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- [14:13:19] <Phae>
hm
- [14:14:37] <tantek>
?
- [14:16:58] <drewinthehead>
everything's micro in here.
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- [14:36:32] <drewinthehead>
forcast is looking a bit better, trovster. your geeks might not get wet after all.
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- [14:51:34] <Phae>
I think if it does rain, it'll be fleeting.
- [14:52:37] <drewinthehead>
how would you mark up a weather report?
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- [14:53:13] <Phae>
With uFs?
- [14:53:17] <Phae>
Or just generally?
- [14:54:11] <trovster>
I say with HTML!
- [14:54:21] <Phae>
:P
- [14:54:32] <briansuda>
there is a single UNICODE character for ℃
- [14:55:37] <tantek>
presumably the weather applies to a *location* which you could markup with adr and/or geo
- [14:56:21] <drewinthehead>
right
- [14:56:25] <drewinthehead>
and a time
- [14:56:43] <drewinthehead>
is weather an event?
- [14:56:44] <trovster>
And it's something you could subscribe to.
- [14:57:42] <drewinthehead>
VoteLinks for good, bad and so-so conditions
- [14:58:23] <tantek>
drew, you might want to document examples of how people talk about the weather online and a common 80/20 schema
- [14:58:53] <drewinthehead>
it would be a marvellously british thing to do.
- [14:59:41] <tantek>
you would want to distinguish forecasts from actual measurements for example
- [14:59:54] <drewinthehead>
yes, that's an interesting point
- [15:00:44] <drewinthehead>
i wonder if locations are more likely to be broad regions than something which can be tied to adr or geo
- [15:01:04] <tantek>
most weather stations that take measurements have precise lat longs
- [15:01:27] <tantek>
and AFAIK, most weather reports are per city, which can be marked up with adr
- [15:02:02] <drewinthehead>
yes, although the forecast might be based on the data from multiple points for an area as a whole
- [15:02:13] <drewinthehead>
i guess adr has regions, which could cover it
- [15:02:21] <tantek>
sure, but that's not the visible information that is published
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- [15:02:30] <briansuda>
but each measurement comes from a single weather station
- [15:02:31] <tantek>
doesn't matter what it's "based" on
- [15:02:53] <tantek>
if someone quotes the temperature in a city, that's all the information you have to markup, and that you should markup
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- [15:03:34] <drewinthehead>
yes, thinking about how weather is documented in textual form, it does tend to be for a city or town
- [15:04:06] <qid>
drewinthehead: http://www.noaa.gov/
- [15:04:29] <drewinthehead>
i was thinking of maps, but those would typically be graphical, and could be plotted from textual data anyway
- [15:04:58] <qid>
wow, their RSS feed is valid
- [15:05:49] <drewinthehead>
http://www.met-office.gov.uk/
- [15:10:57] <KevinMarks>
don't you remember dotBen's leak of the met office JSOn feeds?
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remi is Remi Prevost, a web developper (yeah, that's how we spell "developer" in french) from Quebec and blogs about web stuff at <http://remiprevost.com/>
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gsnedders is a 14 year old idiot from Scotland and pretends to have a website at http://geoffers.uni.cc/
- [15:17:51] <drewinthehead>
i do, KevinMarks
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mlinksva is Mike Linksvayer and from Creative Commons
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WildFox is Mr. KDOM. Co-author of kdom, ksvg and kcanvas.
- [15:31:32] <Phae>
I forced my dad onto wordpress so now I can legitimately use the family XFN tags
- [15:31:34] <Phae>
heh
- [15:32:05] <drewinthehead>
rel="parent" :)
- [15:32:13] <Phae>
yeah
- [15:32:41] <Phae>
he has a site, but it doesn't come up on searches, so I'm showing him how easy it'll be to be found if he blogs a bit
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he's into the family history thing
- [15:33:41] <drewinthehead>
in future generations the first half of family history research may be as simple as running an XFN lookup :D
- [15:34:08] <Phae>
exactly
- [15:34:36] <KevinMarks>
and validating both ends of the link
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before everyone claims to be heir to the throne using rel="parent"
- [15:35:06] <Phae>
heh
- [15:35:15] <Phae>
I think I'll make him a theme based on the sandbox
- [15:37:24] <tantek>
KevinMarks, but even then it is useful for finding out if there are people out there that claim to be the children of a particular person.
- [15:39:42] <drewinthehead>
in fact, those are more interesting ;)
- [15:47:49] <Phae>
I explained XFN to my dad
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He thinks it's a good idea
- [15:50:54] <Phae>
why isnt technorati signing me in :/
- [15:53:12] <davecardwell>
gremlins
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- [15:53:43] <trovster>
You can't blame gizmo for that
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gizmo heh
- [15:54:34] <tantek>
Phae, feel free to bug us Technorati-folk in #technorati
- [15:57:39] <gsnedders>
Phae: I'd have a challenge explaining it to my dad :P
- [15:58:04] <Phae>
heh
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nearly quittin' time here. i'm going to be out until probably Tuesday
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have a nice weekend everyone.
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pah, part-timer
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- [16:23:22] <briansuda>
anyone around work on tech.yahoo.com?
- [16:23:37] <briansuda>
i am looking at their hReviews and the dtreviewed is not a valid date
- [16:24:35] <trel1023>
new redesign at http://www.brown.edu/
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with microformats
- [16:25:23] <trel1023>
well, at least one. :)
- [16:30:36] <briansuda>
very cool,. be sure to add that to the 'in the wild section'
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raxor is in southern California, near LA
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[[hcard]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=8276 * TerrellRussell * (+75) Examples in the wild - added brown.edu
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- [16:56:39] <briansuda>
can anyone around clear-up an issue with hReview? specifically what to do with multiple class="description"s
- [16:56:42] <briansuda>
description:: This optional field contains the full text representing the written opinion of the reviewer. The field MAY include valid XHTML markup (e.g. paragraphs). User agents SHOULD preserve any markup. Multiple descriptions or section descriptions (e.g. pros and cons, plusses and minusses) SHOULD be included in the description field.
- [16:57:01] <briansuda>
the wiki says that Multiple descriptions or section descriptions SHOULD be included in the description field
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is that a concatenation of all the class="description" or multiple instances of each
- [17:00:24] <tantek>
neither
- [17:00:44] <tantek>
some review sites provide multiple UI fields to enter in descriptions or parts of descriptions, e.g. pros, cons, overall
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hReview says to put all of those into the element with class name "description"
- [17:02:07] <briansuda>
so only one class="description" per class="hreview"
- [17:02:15] <tantek>
right
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- [17:03:46] <briansuda>
i'm going through the yahoo tech site trying to extract some hReviews, they are all over the map in supporting hReview. Is there a contact person we could talk to and gently get things corrected?
- [17:04:22] <tantek>
how about providing feedback under their listing in the hReview examples in the wild section?
- [17:04:35] <tantek>
Andy Baio is a good person to contact
- [17:04:45] <tantek>
and might want to bring up issues here too
- [17:04:53] <tantek>
would probably be illustrative to discuss them
- [17:05:30] <briansuda>
they have multiple class="descriptions"
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multiple class="ratings" for each review
- [17:06:07] <briansuda>
they are missing a vcard on class="reviewer vcard", they have class="reviewer fn"
- [17:06:31] <briansuda>
my guess is that they never have validated against anything, so they are un-aware of the mistakes
- [17:06:43] <briansuda>
the dtreviewer is also not an ISO format
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multiple class="ratings" are ok if they are tagged ratings
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dtreviewed?
- [17:18:25] <tantek>
briansuda, another guess is that they may have validated against an older version of Tails which tends to be more forgiving and do things like support title attributes on spans which is incorrect. i think that has been fixed in the latest version however.
- [17:19:04] <briansuda>
i am going through the local site now as well, they are better than tech.yahoo.com
- [17:19:34] <briansuda>
so i will get my list together and either post it to the wiki, here, and/or in an email to andy baio
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gsnedders is a 14 year old idiot from Scotland and pretends to have a website at http://geoffers.uni.cc/
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RobertBachmann is Robert Bachmann <http://rbach.priv.at/> and lives in Austria (Timezone: UTC 02)
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does anybody know when ryan king will be around?
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kingryan is ryan king
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howdy
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hey kingryan
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hi robert
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heard you were looking for me :D
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I just read your mail
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yeah?
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[[picoformats]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=picoformats&diff=0&oldid=8283 * Tantek * (-54) please obey [[naming-conventions]]
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ajturner is Andrew Turner, a simulation and geolocation nut who blogs at http://highearthorbit.com
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- [23:06:24] <factoryjoe>
tantek: sup?
- [23:07:45] <tantek>
just wanted to remind you about http://microformats.org/wiki/naming-conventions
- [23:07:52] <tantek>
especially when creating new pages on the wiki
- [23:08:06] <tantek>
I cleaned up a couple of pages linked from picoformats.
- [23:08:08] <tantek>
Thanks.
- [23:09:08] <factoryjoe>
ok
- [23:09:09] <factoryjoe>
sure
- [23:09:10] <factoryjoe>
sorry
- [23:09:28] <factoryjoe>
ah, i was using mediawiki convention
- [23:09:40] <factoryjoe>
thanks for not deleting!
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- [23:17:04] <tantek>
factoryjoe, mediawiki convention is inferior for findability due to _ vs - difference
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pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
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briansuda is brian suda of http://suda.co.uk/ and http://claimid.com/briansuda in his freetime he works on the X2V microformats parser (-0600 CST)
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- [23:32:12] <mfbot>
[[hreview-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hreview-issues&diff=0&oldid=8284 * Elias * (+1395) new issue re: date formats
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- [23:39:11] <factoryjoe>
nice: http://web.mac.com/metafy/iWeb/MetafyWebMiningSoftware/TheMetafyBlog/C1A52C50-A318-4ADA-9D5F-6F986635EB69.html
- [23:40:03] * bewest wonders if there is a ppt2s5 converter
- [23:40:21] <AdamCraven>
What would be the most symantec elements to use for an FAQ list? <dt><dd> came to mind, but it's hardly a term and a descriptor.
- [23:40:35] <factoryjoe>
sure
- [23:40:38] <factoryjoe>
question and answer
- [23:40:39] <bewest>
AdamCraven: <dl> is useful for any key:value pairing
- [23:40:42] <factoryjoe>
dt and dd
- [23:40:56] <factoryjoe>
for multiple answers use multiple dd's
- [23:41:05] <AdamCraven>
so you'd say question is a term and answer is the descroptor?
- [23:41:34] <mfbot>
[[hreview-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hreview-issues&diff=0&oldid=8285 * Tantek * (+553) resolved datetime issue
- [23:41:54] <AdamCraven>
For example, would you say a conversion would use DL?
- [23:42:01] <AdamCraven>
*conversation
- [23:42:03] <AdamCraven>
e.g.
- [23:42:11] <AdamCraven>
<dt>Adam Craven<dt>
- [23:42:20] <AdamCraven>
<dd>Hello there</dd>
- [23:42:26] <bewest>
AdamCraven: if you were going to create any data structure to store these things, what would that structure would you use? if you can imaging using some kind of hash or key:value kind of structure, consider marking it up using <dl>
- [23:42:32] <factoryjoe>
AdamCraven: check out the chat-examples and chat-brainstorming pages
- [23:42:40] <bewest>
AdamCraven: I think <dl> was rejected for that particular use
- [23:42:58] <bewest>
even though iirc it's suggested for that use at w3
- [23:43:59] <AdamCraven>
Thanks fellers. It looks like that's the way forward for my FAQ list.
- [23:44:26] <bewest>
you can even write a nifty little TOC script that automatically generates an index/TOC from your markup
- [23:44:50] <AdamCraven>
TOC?
- [23:44:55] <bewest>
table of contents
- [23:45:07] <bewest>
like a menu for quick access
- [23:45:49] <AdamCraven>
ah, I really want to automate as much as I can, instead of manually doing the markup all the time. What language, or program, do you use?
- [23:46:09] <bewest>
well, in this scenario, you do the markup for the faq once
- [23:46:15] <factoryjoe>
you could use javascript
- [23:46:15] <factoryjoe>
;)
- [23:46:21] <factoryjoe>
but a DL is just as easy
- [23:46:23] <bewest>
or you store it in a database and have a simple template that outputs it in a <dl>
- [23:46:42] <bewest>
then you have a script that can parse that output and automatically present a table of contents
- [23:46:46] <bewest>
it's easy to do in javascript
- [23:46:50] <bewest>
but you can do it in any language
- [23:46:59] <bewest>
php or python, perl.... etc cet..
- [23:47:06] <bewest>
by parsing the XML structure
- [23:47:26] <AdamCraven>
with Javascript, are you talking about generation into the DOM, rather than into the page source?
- [23:47:45] <bewest>
in this context I'm not sure what the difference is
- [23:47:49] <bewest>
with javascript it's done on the client
- [23:47:55] <bewest>
so you look through the DOM, I suppose
- [23:48:42] <factoryjoe>
yes
- [23:48:46] <factoryjoe>
through the dom
- [23:48:46] <bewest>
anyway you do it will be using the DOM
- [23:48:56] <factoryjoe>
ie writeFaq();
- [23:49:08] <bewest>
if you used php you would create DOM from the xml generated and do the same thing
- [23:49:13] <bewest>
or simply use another template
- [23:49:24] <factoryjoe>
i still think plain xhtml is sufficient
- [23:49:40] <bewest>
factoryjoe: I'm talking about xhtml :-)
- [23:50:07] <bewest>
the XML I'm talking about is just the <dl> stuff
- [23:50:11] <AdamCraven>
Yeah, what I was reffering to was although having it on the page would be in the DOM of course. Having it in the plain html file is what I meant by source code. When JavaScript is off, RIP content. But database
- [23:50:29] <bewest>
AdamCraven: it's both...
- [23:50:35] <bewest>
if javascript is off the content is still there
- [23:50:35] <AdamCraven>
is the best.
- [23:50:42] <bewest>
just no table of contents
- [23:51:08] <AdamCraven>
yeah, which would be annoying!
- [23:51:40] <bewest>
it's only annoying if the page has text which says to use the table of contents
- [23:52:01] <bewest>
otherwise it wouldn't be annoying... it would be undetectable
- [23:53:04] <AdamCraven>
I think differently on that. I'd rather have a page that looks the same in as many given situations as possible, then have an easier automated process that generates it, but runs the risk of not producing the page the same.
- [23:53:27] <AdamCraven>
Although, I wish everyone used javascript all the time
- [23:53:34] <AdamCraven>
it would make my life easier
- [23:58:17] <bewest>
AdamCraven: anyway, javascript was just ONE suggestion for one SMALL feature
- [23:58:33] <bewest>
AdamCraven: you can implement the same feature in php as I suggested: either use a template or parse the DOM in PHP
- [23:59:49] <AdamCraven>
thanks for your help bewest, it's much appreciated.
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