IRC Log for #microformats on 2006-08-27

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  1. [00:00:12] <Zeeshan_M> I am inputting the following HTML 4.01 Strict document which has hCard rich markup near the footer: http://developer.nfwebsolutions.com/temp.html
  2. [00:00:36] <Zeeshan_M> The tool at http://suda.co.uk/projects/X2V/ returns: http://rafb.net/paste/results/4laKdN83.txt
  3. [00:01:03] <Zeeshan_M> Note the odd \n newline character and large spacing before the email address.
  4. [00:01:07] <Zeeshan_M> Why is that occuring?
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  7. [00:04:38] * Zeeshan_M removes the HTML entities to see if that helps
  8. [00:06:13] <Zeeshan_M> Mmm
  9. [00:06:24] <Zeeshan_M> <dd class="email"><a href="mailto:test@example.org">test@example.org</a></dd> has the same effect:
  10. [00:06:31] <Zeeshan_M> EMAIL:\n test@example.org\n
  11. [00:14:13] * briansuda is investigating
  12. [00:14:25] <Zeeshan_M> Oh thank you.
  13. [00:14:29] <Zeeshan_M> I was about to disconnect
  14. [00:15:27] <briansuda> <dd class="email"><a href="mailto:test@example.org">test@example.org</a></dd> should be...
  15. [00:15:35] <briansuda> <dd ><a class="email" href="mailto:test@example.org">test@example.org</a></dd>
  16. [00:16:54] <briansuda> the spacing is probably being added because the XSLT is extracting from all the children of the DD which contains an 'a' element
  17. [00:17:18] <Zeeshan_M> I see, the suggestion you gave now produces the output fine :-)
  18. [00:17:31] <Zeeshan_M> Would you mind answering some additional questions:
  19. [00:17:47] <briansuda> ask away
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  23. [00:18:13] <Zeeshan_M> What do you do when you need to add additional grammar markup to the content but you feel that such additional grammar is probably not meant to be in the (h|v)Card syntax.
  24. [00:18:24] <Zeeshan_M> I am using: <span class="street-address">14 Clumber drive</span>
  25. [00:18:42] <Zeeshan_M> But I actually want a comma at the end, I am using content: via CSS to suffix that, is that the correct method?
  26. [00:18:51] <Zeeshan_M> Or is it okay to taint the value in the HTML?
  27. [00:19:06] <briansuda> you can just put it outside of the span as well
  28. [00:19:31] <briansuda> you can also use class="value" and wrap that around JUST the text you want to extract
  29. [00:19:54] <Zeeshan_M> Oh yes
  30. [00:20:05] <briansuda> <span class="fn"><span class="value">Brian</span> text here <span class="value">Suda</span></span>
  31. [00:20:11] <briansuda> that will be extracted as
  32. [00:20:12] <Zeeshan_M> Gotcha'.
  33. [00:20:16] <briansuda> FN: Brian Suda
  34. [00:20:30] <briansuda> well, actually BrianSuda (no space)
  35. [00:20:36] <Zeeshan_M> How do you markup a single instance of a value but which has to be assigned to multiple keys?
  36. [00:20:50] <Zeeshan_M> I wish to state one instance of a phone number is for work, fax and voicemail.
  37. [00:21:07] <Zeeshan_M> Is it okay to cluster the '<span class="type">work</span><span class="type">voice</span>..., etc' markup?
  38. [00:21:07] <briansuda> well that is multple TYPES
  39. [00:21:18] <briansuda> yup
  40. [00:22:08] <Zeeshan_M> Ok, thank you.
  41. [00:22:23] <briansuda> do you want to test it really quick?
  42. [00:22:44] <Zeeshan_M> Well, I have the cluster already, I just didn't know if it was sane syntax or not.
  43. [00:23:00] <Zeeshan_M> Your tool is returning the expected output: TEL;TYPE=work,voice,msg:+44 (0)709 2300 838
  44. [00:23:08] <Zeeshan_M> Just didn't know if that was full okay to do or not.
  45. [00:24:19] <tantek> briansuda, Zeeshan_M's markup should be fine
  46. [00:24:31] <tantek> that's one way that plural properties (and subproperties) can be expressed
  47. [00:31:59] <Zeeshan_M> Ok, thank you chaps. 1.30am here nearly, must get some shuteye.
  48. [00:32:07] <Zeeshan_M> briansuda, thank you for the help and the tool!
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  56. [01:41:11] <mfbot> [[hcard-faq]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-faq&diff=0&oldid=8295 * AndyMabbett * (+43) include lang; use square brackets
  57. [02:04:45] <qid> "However, I feel the concepts behind hProduct will make it a popular microformat and excellent for a more Symantec web."
  58. [02:04:50] <qid> er.... >_>
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  73. [04:54:33] <mfbot> [[events-fr]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events-fr&diff=0&oldid=8296 * ChristopheDucamp * (+143) Ajout BarCampParis3 / atelier animé par Frédéric de Villamil
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  81. [05:48:17] <mfbot> [[hcard-fr]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-fr&diff=0&oldid=8299 * Florian * (-10) Nouveaux Exemples -
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  114. [11:40:02] <keithale1ander> Can anyone point me to any discussion of the microformats concept being applied to other markup languages?
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  164. [18:35:40] <leevigraham> hi all... just a quick question
  165. [18:35:41] <leevigraham> which is the best parser to test hCards successfully convert into vCards?
  166. [18:36:20] <leevigraham> I am sure I have followe the wiki spec and examples but the parser I am using is not out putting the right vCard
  167. [18:37:23] <briansuda> do you have a link?
  168. [18:37:53] <leevigraham> to my hcard?
  169. [18:38:07] <briansuda> yes
  170. [18:38:11] <leevigraham> iits on my local disk at the moment
  171. [18:38:15] <leevigraham> i can pastie it
  172. [18:38:32] <briansuda> is there somewhere you can upload it?
  173. [18:38:44] <Phae> which parser are you using atm, btw?
  174. [18:38:44] <leevigraham> yeah ill do that now
  175. [18:39:07] <briansuda> the parsers that extract the hCard and convert it to a vCard only really can extract from a URL, local files don't work
  176. [18:39:30] <Phae> tails works locally, but the greasemonkey user script doesn't.
  177. [18:39:47] <briansuda> and tails is not the most reliable
  178. [18:39:51] <Phae> indeed!
  179. [18:40:35] <leevigraham> http://www.leevigraham.com/hcard.html
  180. [18:40:44] <leevigraham> tails...
  181. [18:41:35] <leevigraham> multiple urls are ok?
  182. [18:41:54] <briansuda> sure
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  185. [18:42:08] <briansuda> what exactly do you think is not correct?
  186. [18:42:10] <leevigraham> i have been double checking my card against your cheat sheet :)
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  188. [18:42:22] <Phae> I can't instantly spot anything that's out
  189. [18:42:27] <Phae> I'm grabbing your card okay.
  190. [18:42:33] <leevigraham> when i add it to i Cal all the urls are one entry
  191. [18:42:58] <briansuda> right because the iCalendar spec only has one url
  192. [18:43:15] <briansuda> multiple URLs should be fine for an address book
  193. [18:43:53] <leevigraham> bugger
  194. [18:44:13] <briansuda> as well, i think that the skype protocol uses callto://
  195. [18:44:27] <briansuda> why are you trying to get a vCard into iCalendar?
  196. [18:44:55] <Phae> UK mobile numbers start +44, rather than +0044, also.
  197. [18:45:12] <leevigraham> a vCard ... but i was hoping that it woul be imported to ical
  198. [18:45:23] <leevigraham> i thought ical used vcards
  199. [18:45:29] <leevigraham> ok
  200. [18:45:33] <leevigraham> just moved to the UK
  201. [18:45:35] <leevigraham> :D
  202. [18:45:51] <Phae> :)
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  204. [18:45:55] <jibot> gsnedders is a 14 year old idiot from Scotland and pretends to have a website at http://geoffers.uni.cc/
  205. [18:46:03] <leevigraham> oh.. i mean addres book
  206. [18:46:09] <leevigraham> not iCal
  207. [18:46:11] <briansuda> no, address book imports vCards, iCal imports hCalendar
  208. [18:46:22] <leevigraham> yeah my mistake sorry for the confusion
  209. [18:46:44] <briansuda> i get multiple URLs in my address book, which program are you using?
  210. [18:47:10] <tantek> leevigraham maybe some day iCal.app will be intelligent about linking event locations to Address Book entries, but not today
  211. [18:47:48] <leevigraham> yeah I just used your parser and everything is great
  212. [18:47:55] <leevigraham> sorry for wasting your time :(
  213. [18:48:08] <briansuda> not a prob
  214. [18:48:13] <briansuda> which software are you using?
  215. [18:48:18] <briansuda> there is a list of known issues here: http://microformats.org/wiki/vcard-implementations
  216. [18:48:29] <briansuda> if you are experiencing something please document it
  217. [18:48:42] <leevigraham> oh and Tantek, your talk at web essentials in sydney was great
  218. [18:48:54] <leevigraham> ok i am using firefox with addressbook.app
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  220. [18:49:27] <tantek> thanks leevigraham! glad you enjoyed it.
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  222. [18:50:18] <leevigraham> thanks for your help guys
  223. [18:50:25] <briansuda> judging from your hCard, you will probably want to say hello to these guys as well: http://multipack.co.uk/
  224. [18:50:26] <Phae> stupid laptop
  225. [18:50:32] <Phae> and yeah
  226. [18:50:34] <Phae> also #multipack
  227. [18:51:24] <leevigraham> yeah found them 30 minutes ago... which just happened to be 30 minutes after their geeks in the park day :(
  228. [18:51:36] <Phae> I don't know how that went yet
  229. [18:51:41] <Phae> I assume there will be a write-up
  230. [18:51:49] <briansuda> there are a few pics on Flickr
  231. [18:51:58] <Phae> geek events are cropping up all over the UK at the moment though
  232. [18:52:00] <leevigraham> Phae: are you from the midlands?
  233. [18:52:03] <Phae> the "scene" so to speak is good.
  234. [18:52:06] <briansuda> i don't know many of the folks so i didn't add notes, but i spotted a few microformats t-shirts
  235. [18:52:07] <Phae> No, I live just outside London.
  236. [18:52:33] <leevigraham> well beers are on me next time I am in London
  237. [18:52:35] <Phae> We're organising a microformats social at the end of September in London
  238. [18:52:56] <briansuda> http://upcoming.org/event/100107/
  239. [18:53:05] <Phae> why thank you
  240. [18:53:15] <Phae> I'm just checking out a couple venues, but it looks like plenty want to come
  241. [18:53:19] <Phae> I'll get that sorted out this week
  242. [18:53:40] <briansuda> as well as: http://muffinresearch.co.uk/archives/2006/08/17/october-wsg-meetup-microformats/
  243. [18:53:47] * Phae nods.
  244. [18:55:14] <leevigraham> pencil me in
  245. [18:55:20] <Phae> :)
  246. [18:57:39] <Phae> oh and also, if you do happen to be in london.. there's pubstandards.co.uk
  247. [18:59:09] <tantek> Phae, that address on that event is hilarious.
  248. [18:59:22] <Phae> heh
  249. [18:59:35] <Phae> it's because upcoming won't let you have an event without an address
  250. [18:59:45] <briansuda> apparently Upcoming won't let you NOT put a venue - even TBA
  251. [18:59:55] <Phae> which is a bit silly imo
  252. [19:00:12] <briansuda> so use one that machines can
  253. [19:00:17] <briansuda> can't know is fake
  254. [19:00:39] <Phae> they should just add a "TBC" address for everyone to use. Problem solved.
  255. [19:00:43] * Phae wonders who to email.
  256. [19:04:01] <tantek> Phae, if you see waxpancake in IRC, you can bug him about it :)
  257. [19:04:11] <Phae> noted.
  258. [19:06:10] <mfbot> [[screencasts]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=screencasts&diff=0&oldid=8303 * Brian * (+233) Added link to Molly E. Holzschlag presentation (haven't watched it yet)
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  260. [19:11:39] <leevigraham> just out of curiosity does anyone know if mail.app vCard support has increased in the leopard preview?
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  265. [19:40:11] <frederic> hello
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  267. [19:50:31] <leevigraham> hey frederic
  268. [19:52:05] <frederic> hi leevigraham
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  273. [20:28:35] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  275. [20:29:15] <gsnedders> mmm… homework or microformats…
  276. [20:29:57] <ROBOd> lol
  277. [20:30:19] <ROBOd> which one do you pick, after all?
  278. [20:30:29] <gsnedders> homework is kinda urgent…
  279. [20:30:36] <gsnedders> so I guess I better pick it…
  280. [20:30:52] <ROBOd> yeah, i always pick homework
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  299. [23:49:17] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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