IRC Log for #microformats on 2006-08-28

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  69. [00:02:58] <jibot> chimezie is Chimezie Ogbuji - He is a mammal
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  80. [00:12:17] <jibot> marclaporte is Marc Laporte from Tiki CMS/Groupware
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  86. [00:25:02] <jibot> Jedi_ is Jedi <http://Jedi.org/> ( 08:00) and working at Creative Commons Taiwan <http://creativecommons.org.tw/>
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  95. [02:12:48] <jibot> ajturner is Andrew Turner, a simulation and geolocation nut who blogs at http://highearthorbit.com
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  99. [02:30:10] <jibot> briansuda is brian suda of http://suda.co.uk/ and http://claimid.com/briansuda in his freetime he works on the X2V microformats parser (-0600 CST)
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  101. [04:33:22] <mfbot> [[podcasts]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=podcasts&diff=0&oldid=8304 * RyanKing * (+377) adding Jyri's interview of Tantek and Ryan
  102. [04:37:53] <mfbot> [[podcasts]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=podcasts&diff=0&oldid=8305 * RyanKing * (+304) adding weblogs work podcast
  103. [04:54:11] <frederic> morning
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  107. [07:04:33] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  110. [07:18:08] <frederic> Hi factoryjoe
  111. [07:19:24] <factoryjoe> hey
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  113. [07:23:05] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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  117. [07:28:00] <jibot> danja is Danny Ayers, http://dannyayers.com
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  127. [09:03:02] <jibot> Phae is Frances Berriman of http://www.fberriman.com/
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  133. [10:40:16] <jibot> ryanlowe is Ryan Lowe, http://www.fanconcert.com
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  141. [11:21:03] <jibot> gsnedders is a 14 year old idiot from Scotland and pretends to have a website at http://geoffers.uni.cc/
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  143. [11:44:06] <mfbot> [[vote-links]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=vote-links&diff=0&oldid=8306 * Andre V. * (+43) Specification -
  144. [11:46:32] <mfbot> [[recipe-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=recipe-examples&diff=0&oldid=8307 * Andre V. * (+43) Lentil Stew -
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  149. [12:21:58] <Whiskey_M> 'lo
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  161. [13:33:55] <jibot> sreynen is Scott Reynen, who makes things at makedatamakesense.com
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  168. [13:51:39] <jibot> briansuda is brian suda of http://suda.co.uk/ and http://claimid.com/briansuda in his freetime he works on the X2V microformats parser (-0600 CST)
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  184. [14:21:33] <pnhChris> hreview authoring headache.. (probably can be extended to anything) ... how do I deal with excerpt vs. full post
  185. [14:23:47] <danja> pnhChris, is your headache with putting it in the markup, or with how best to render?
  186. [14:24:09] <pnhChris> how best to author the excerpt
  187. [14:25:26] <pnhChris> not an issue with a short review
  188. [14:25:40] <pnhChris> but is with a 5 paragraph review + even info
  189. [14:25:45] <pnhChris> event
  190. [14:25:46] <danja> there's "summary"
  191. [14:25:52] <pnhChris> aye
  192. [14:28:51] <pnhChris> i guess it just needs some rewriting to work
  193. [14:29:07] <pnhChris> (my review, not the spec)
  194. [14:29:30] <pnhChris> or leave out the review markup all together
  195. [14:30:39] <pnhChris> summary doesn't do what you think it does danja
  196. [14:30:53] <pnhChris> its just a title for the review
  197. [14:31:01] <pnhChris> not like hatoms entry summary
  198. [14:31:01] <danja> oh yeah
  199. [14:31:15] <qid> there was some arguing about that on the list a while ago
  200. [14:31:44] <danja> not surprised, if it's the title it should be called the title...
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  202. [14:31:50] <pnhChris> so i guess i'll leave the review for the full page / feed
  203. [14:32:02] <danja> more than one "description" then?
  204. [14:32:05] <pnhChris> or write an intro paragraph
  205. [14:32:26] <pnhChris> that isn't part of the "review" item
  206. [14:33:38] <pnhChris> that's probably the most direct method
  207. [14:37:43] <briansuda> danja, title means "job-title"
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  209. [14:38:21] <briansuda> pnhChris, be aware the hReview creator online has bugs
  210. [14:38:25] <pnhChris> hatom has entry-title
  211. [14:38:38] <pnhChris> briansuda: i was gonna use my txp plugin :)
  212. [14:38:51] <briansuda> well, make sure that doesn't have a bug as well
  213. [14:39:02] <pnhChris> bah!
  214. [14:39:09] <pnhChris> i embrace bugs
  215. [14:39:37] <briansuda> alot of the generated content i found on the web had errors
  216. [14:39:49] <briansuda> i wonder if it is issues with plugins and creators
  217. [14:40:41] <pnhChris> it may have bugs, but i doubt its being used much.. and it is rather simple
  218. [14:41:27] <pnhChris> ... used much to be any noticeable portion of that content you found
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  222. [14:50:54] <danja> briansuda, so maybe hReview should reuse entry-title?
  223. [14:51:16] <briansuda> instead of what, fn?
  224. [14:51:23] <danja> summary
  225. [14:52:09] <danja> "summary:: This optional field serves as a title for the review itself."
  226. [14:52:25] <danja> then use summary for an actual summary
  227. [14:52:51] <briansuda> well, what happens when you put an hReview in an hAtom?
  228. [14:53:00] <briansuda> you couldn't use two different values
  229. [14:56:27] <danja> use the same value, no?
  230. [14:56:47] <danja> the title of the review would presumably be the title of the entry
  231. [14:57:33] <danja> i.e. one would be in the other, they kindof merge
  232. [14:57:44] <danja> s/would/wouldn't
  233. [14:57:46] <pnhChris> not always
  234. [14:57:58] <pnhChris> i'd hesistate to say rarely
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  236. [14:58:09] <pnhChris> consider multiple review posts
  237. [14:58:26] <danja> an entry containing multiple reviews? ok
  238. [14:58:36] <pnhChris> or posts where the review / thing your reviewing is otherwise only part of the article
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  240. [14:59:21] <danja> won't the nesting of the constructs allow you to tell the difference?
  241. [15:00:00] <danja> hmm, it would mess up conversion to Atom though
  242. [15:00:06] <pnhChris> you get back to the issue of parsers having to know about every microformat that exists or will exist, but this isn't my area of expertise
  243. [15:00:11] <danja> or make it harder at least
  244. [15:01:01] <danja> well not necessarily, if the hReview spec says it uses entry-title, then it's not a general case
  245. [15:01:09] <pnhChris> i meant hatom
  246. [15:01:22] <briansuda> if your post's title is also your review title, then you can do class="entry-title summary"
  247. [15:01:28] <pnhChris> or anythign else that would use entry-title in that modle
  248. [15:02:06] <danja> ok, it does seem like having a separate name for a hReview title is worthwhile
  249. [15:02:29] <danja> but calling it summary still seems perverse
  250. [15:02:38] <danja> review-title?
  251. [15:03:07] <briansuda> i would go with just plain 'fn'
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  258. [15:10:32] <danja> briansuda, sounds reasonable
  259. [15:11:05] <danja> and use summary as a summary/excerpt (as in pnhChris' case)
  260. [15:11:15] <danja> ?
  261. [15:11:26] <briansuda> sort of an abstract
  262. [15:11:41] <briansuda> the problem is that iCalendar uses summary as title
  263. [15:13:59] <danja> ew
  264. [15:21:06] <pnhChris> hmm.. somethign in my plugin is buggy and i blew up my page for a minute :(
  265. [15:21:12] <pnhChris> think i hacked around it
  266. [15:21:27] <pnhChris> in any case... back to work for me
  267. [15:22:31] <pnhChris> but to add some context to my earlier question... http://chunkysoup.net/ .. first item on tufte... "review" is confined to the full post
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  271. [15:34:38] <danja> pnhChris, interesting. There's it's presented like the excerpt isn't actually part of the review
  272. [15:34:48] <pnhChris> aye
  273. [15:36:02] <pnhChris> short term / get the post up and go back to work solution was to change the content
  274. [15:36:16] <pnhChris> and deal with the issue later
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  347. [21:45:30] <stuup> hi all
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  349. [21:48:30] <briansuda> hm... Flickr just rolled out integration to Yahoo Maps, i wonder if we can get them to add some GEO microformats
  350. [21:50:32] * pnhChris shrugs
  351. [21:50:44] <pnhChris> i saw it but didn't take the time to look closely
  352. [21:51:35] <pnhChris> i'd probably only take advantage of the mapping features if i had a setup that automagically recorded positioning data, and, well, i don't
  353. [21:52:37] <briansuda> this is pretty slick... you just drag and drop the images to the map
  354. [21:52:41] <briansuda> and it geo codes it all for you
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  357. [21:53:37] <pnhChris> yeah.. but if i'm hiking along a trail (for example) i just couldn't define the subtle differences after the fact without guessing
  358. [21:54:46] <briansuda> this is true, it never will be exact
  359. [21:55:07] <briansuda> and people will put the image NOT where they took it, but on top of what it is a picture of.
  360. [21:55:29] <briansuda> but if you are looking for images ABOUT a place, a certain radius is probably acceptable
  361. [21:56:05] <pnhChris> well .. the fact that i do take pictures on the same ~5mile loop trail every other weekend has something to do with my desire for detail
  362. [21:56:21] <pnhChris> i know they're all coming from the same "place"
  363. [21:57:26] <pnhChris> and i can look at a sat image and guess
  364. [21:57:43] <pnhChris> but as they pile up it becomes not only not exact, but wrong when you're comparing locations
  365. [21:58:30] <pnhChris> ... doesn't help that my search just centered the map in canada :P
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  367. [22:00:35] <pnhChris> its interesting though
  368. [22:00:59] <pnhChris> even if its not soemthing i'd use
  369. [22:03:28] <briansuda> hm... i can't seem to find the hCards anymore...
  370. [22:03:40] <briansuda> i wonder if this addition broke some old templates?
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  372. [22:06:01] <_fil_> you've left them in your hJacket, in the hCar
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  374. [22:15:28] <pnhChris> here's what i got after tooling around.. seems to work fairly well, but i skipped over a pile of photos that weren't around any particular landmark... http://flickr.com/photos/placenamehere/map/
  375. [22:16:00] <briansuda> placenamehere doesn't have any photos on a map yet.
  376. [22:16:08] <briansuda> maybe it needs to publish/propigate
  377. [22:16:31] <pnhChris> yeah
  378. [22:16:33] <pnhChris> i see "mine"
  379. [22:16:47] <pnhChris> but when i change filters i don't see anything
  380. [22:17:02] <pnhChris> work in progress i guess
  381. [22:17:58] <pnhChris> that'll be the most interesting for me i think.. occationally surfing around a map as a way of killing time
  382. [22:18:00] <briansuda> are you sure you set them to publicly viewable?
  383. [22:18:05] <pnhChris> yup
  384. [22:18:16] <briansuda> or if you are traveling, and want to see what people have taken near there
  385. [22:18:28] <pnhChris> exactly
  386. [22:18:34] <briansuda> i can see it as a way of discovering NEW stuff in the same ol'places
  387. [22:18:43] <pnhChris> or seeing what other people have done with a subject
  388. [22:18:56] <briansuda> eitherway, we should try and get them to expose the data in a class="geo" microformat
  389. [22:21:04] <pnhChris> know what.. maybe the images aren't
  390. [22:21:09] <pnhChris> public
  391. [22:21:46] <pnhChris> might have been added to the map before i played with that prefs and set my default
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  394. [22:37:07] <pnhChris> should be all public now.. for those reading along
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  405. [23:59:39] <jibot> pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.

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