IRC Log for #microformats on 2006-09-02

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  8. [00:17:47] <mfbot> [[hcard]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=8360 * Tagg * (+124) Examples in the wild -
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  10. [00:26:20] <keithale1ander> night all
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  18. [00:52:05] <jibot> remi is Remi Prevost, a web developper (yeah, that's how we spell "developer" in french) from Quebec and blogs about web stuff at <http://remiprevost.com/>
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  28. [02:44:45] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  33. [03:20:09] <jibot> vincenzio is vmarks/vzl/raoulduke and is trying to pare down the number of nicks in use.
  34. [03:20:26] <vincenzio> hi
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  37. [03:26:48] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  52. [05:01:35] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  57. [05:50:03] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  60. [06:30:39] <mfbot> [[Main Page]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=8361 * 1157177896 * (+530)
  61. [06:30:57] <tantek> sigh
  62. [06:31:05] <mfbot> [[Main Page]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=8362 * Tantek * (-530) Reverted edit of 1157177896, changed back to last version by Brian
  63. [06:31:16] <mfbot> [[Special:Log/block]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Special:Log/block&diff=0&oldid=0 * Tantek * (+0) blocked "User:1157177896" with an expiry time of infinite: spam
  64. [06:31:25] <tantek> see ya
  65. [06:31:43] <whack> yay spam.
  66. [06:31:58] <tantek> gone in less than 60 seconds ;)
  67. [06:32:02] <whack> hah
  68. [06:32:20] <whack> sounds like a really bad sequel to a really bad movie
  69. [06:32:21] <tantek> thanks to mfbot
  70. [07:01:14] <whack> tantek: you remember my selenium testing service demo at stanford? (this is Jordan)
  71. [07:01:42] <tantek> yes
  72. [07:02:33] <whack> Well, due to cross-site scripting protection, allowing users to say "test my site, with these test" is really hard in anything other than Firefox.
  73. [07:02:53] <whack> super awesome hack solution is to use squid to "pretend" that the selenium tests are being run from any given site.
  74. [07:03:30] <whack> so you could write selenium tests for microsoft.com, and I'll point a browser at http://www.microsoft.com/__selenium/foo and Squid intercepts this and serves up the tests. Browser thinks the content is coming from microsoft.
  75. [07:05:28] <whack> maybe I'll have a usable demo in the near future. Obstacles keep dropping ;)
  76. [07:12:24] <tantek> interesting
  77. [07:17:10] <whack> haha, it works.
  78. [07:17:16] <whack> slow, but that's probably due to my cable modem.
  79. [07:20:20] <whack> tantek: have firefox use a http proxy of 'home.semicomplete.com' port 3128
  80. [07:20:29] <whack> then go to: http://www.technorati.com/_selenium/
  81. [07:20:43] <whack> should bring you to the selenium test runner page?
  82. [07:27:35] <whack> works in IE.
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  91. [08:54:01] <jibot> danja is Danny Ayers, http://dannyayers.com
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  98. [09:25:48] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  102. [10:16:57] <jibot> gsnedders is a 14 year old idiot from Scotland and pretends to have a website at http://geoffers.uni.cc/
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  106. [11:18:43] <jibot> trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and helps with www.multipack.co.uk
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  113. [13:13:15] <jibot> remi is Remi Prevost, a web developper (yeah, that's how we spell "developer" in french) from Quebec and blogs about web stuff at <http://remiprevost.com/>
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  115. [13:38:15] <jibot> drewinthehead is the author of hKit and a developer for Yahoo! Europe
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  118. [13:49:59] <jibot> csarven is Sarven Capadisli and can be found online at http://www.csarven.ca
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  122. [14:47:48] <jibot> marclaporte is Marc Laporte from Tiki CMS/Groupware
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  129. [15:53:17] <jibot> Hagfish is Any of various primitive, eel-shaped marine fishes of the family Myxinidae, having a jawless sucking mouth equipped with rasping teeth with which they bore into and feed on other fishes.
  130. [15:53:32] <Hagfish> hmm, i've been called worse
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  136. [16:26:15] <mfbot> [[buttons]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=buttons&diff=0&oldid=8363 * AndyMabbett * (+91) Requests -
  137. [16:32:49] <csarven> i am assigning unicode-bidi:bidi-override; direction: rtl; property/values on an email class which has an email address entered backwards (last character first). this is however in conflict with the vcard because it sees the email as entered in HTML. what would be a way around this to allow both functionalities where vcard email is presented as intended and the email is still backwards in the document?
  138. [16:35:06] <csarven> perhaps assigning the direction property as a parent of the vard email
  139. [16:36:50] <csarven> i guess not
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  143. [16:48:08] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  145. [16:49:25] <csarven> tantek if an email is backwards (last character first) in the document is there a way for vcard to interpret that properly?
  146. [16:50:14] <tantek> there is no "transform:reverse" subproperty AFAIK
  147. [16:51:56] <csarven> does the standard cover other languages inwhich they use a right-to-left convention in their written language?
  148. [16:57:39] <tantek> just use UTF8
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  150. [17:04:47] <jibot> ryanlowe is Ryan Lowe, http://www.fanconcert.com
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  161. [17:53:34] <mfbot> [[hcalendar]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar&diff=0&oldid=8364 * AndyMabbett * (+180) Examples in the wild - West Midland Bird Club
  162. [17:57:15] <mfbot> [[hcard]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=8365 * AndyMabbett * (+331) New Examples - West Midland Bird Club
  163. [17:59:46] <mfbot> [[hcard]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=8366 * AndyMabbett * (+4) Examples in the wild - fix
  164. [18:00:27] <mfbot> [[hcard]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=8367 * AndyMabbett * (+0) Examples in the wild - fix
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  166. [18:19:24] <jibot> Hagfish is Any of various primitive, eel-shaped marine fishes of the family Myxinidae, having a jawless sucking mouth equipped with rasping teeth with which they bore into and feed on other fishes.
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  168. [18:27:41] <jibot> gsnedders is a 14 year old idiot from Scotland and pretends to have a website at http://geoffers.uni.cc/
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  182. [19:17:58] <jibot> marclaporte is Marc Laporte from Tiki CMS/Groupware
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  190. [19:51:57] <chebuctonian> hi all. it's pretty quiet here
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  196. [20:08:25] <chebuctonian> has anyone done some thinking about a microformat for business hours?
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  198. [20:09:10] <jibot> amanuel is Amanuel, the social ambassador at http://otavo.com
  199. [20:13:52] <qid> chebuctonian: I think that was on the mailing list a while ago and people suggested hCalendar
  200. [20:14:29] <tantek> the business hours being a repeating event
  201. [20:14:46] <chebuctonian> ok, that makes sense
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  203. [20:17:39] <chebuctonian> I see no reference on the wiki's hcalendar page though :(
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  205. [20:18:48] <chebuctonian> I guess I'll have to read RFC2445 and adapt as needed?
  206. [20:19:25] <tantek> repeating events are certainly a bit of a challenge
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  211. [20:23:29] <chebuctonian> I'll try tackling some of the easier ones first then... the principal one being tagging
  212. [20:24:46] <chebuctonian> I'm currently prototyping a restaurant review site, and I want to apply tags -- but it makes sense to have the tag link to a page that has restaurants that share that tag -in the same city-. Doesn't that confuse the value of rel="tag'" though?
  213. [20:26:58] <trovster> aha, I was discussing tags the other day, and rel="tag". <a href="example.com/tag/fish">dog</a> is a tag for FISH, right? The tag is the last part of the URL... but what about example.com/tag/fish/page2/ ???
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  215. [20:27:52] <chebuctonian> trovster: I'd think in that case you'd want to have /tag/fish?page=2
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  217. [20:28:24] <chebuctonian> http://127.0.0.1/CA/NS/Dartmouth/tag/takeout does seem like a nasty kludge though :(
  218. [20:28:33] <trovster> Why would I want that? If I'm using the nice-urls syntax?
  219. [20:28:48] <trovster> That looks localhost :)
  220. [20:29:08] <chebuctonian> hehe, yes, well, the alpha has its own URI, but I'd rather not be whoring right now :)
  221. [20:29:58] <trovster> aha, I do that too, fair 'nough
  222. [20:30:02] <chebuctonian> trovster: the reason I assumed ?page=2 is because I would have a hard time figuring out how to parse that
  223. [20:30:21] <trovster> pardon?
  224. [20:30:24] <chebuctonian> http://127.0.0.1/CA/NS/Dartmouth/tag/takeout/chicken should work for me
  225. [20:30:32] <chebuctonian> where takeout and chicken are both valid tags
  226. [20:30:48] <chebuctonian> maybe that's waay out of the scope of microformats though :(
  227. [20:31:19] <trovster> Yeh... but that's not what I'm talking about
  228. [20:31:31] <trovster> Also, tag/takeout+chicken might be more appropriate
  229. [20:31:54] <chebuctonian> indeed... I think that idea of mine is half-baked
  230. [20:32:06] <trovster> <a href="example.com/tag/fish">dog</a> is a tag for FISH, right? -- why not take the 'tag' as the value within the link?
  231. [20:32:29] <chebuctonian> ooh, I see what you mean
  232. [20:33:30] <chebuctonian> fish is the tag... but why would you want to do that??
  233. [20:34:40] <trovster> http://microformats.org/wiki/rel-tag#Abstract - that's THE example on the wiki
  234. [20:42:06] <Hagfish> have tags been used by bloggers to describe themselves?
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  236. [20:42:28] <Hagfish> i think that sometimes when you search for blogs, you'd like to narrow it down by the sort of person who writes them
  237. [20:42:35] <Hagfish> like when you're looking for experts
  238. [20:42:44] <Hagfish> or people who have things in common with you
  239. [20:42:50] <Hagfish> or trying to get both sides of an argument
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  242. [20:46:18] <qid> Hagfish: I'm not sure self-tagging would be the best way to determine if someone is an expert on a subject, heh
  243. [20:46:40] <Hagfish> true
  244. [20:46:59] <Hagfish> but maybe you could exclude people who thought they were experts in unrelated fields
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  246. [20:47:10] <chebuctonian> lots of people tag posts
  247. [20:47:42] <Hagfish> but sometimes you want to know about a subject as viewed by a particular person
  248. [20:48:06] <Hagfish> so get a view on the Iran issue from someone who calls themself a liberal, and someone who calls themself a conservative
  249. [20:48:25] <Hagfish> they may not tag the article with their political belief
  250. [20:49:09] <Hagfish> or you're interested in films to see, but you're over 50, so you want to search based on content and blogger attribute
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  252. [20:50:07] <Hagfish> if i think there's a potential format here, what should i do?
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  255. [21:07:57] <qid> Hagfish: follow the process
  256. [21:08:14] <Hagfish> i should have guessed there'd be a process
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  258. [21:11:04] <jibot> mlinksva is Mike Linksvayer and from Creative Commons
  259. [21:13:38] <Hagfish> "If you still believe that you have an unsolved problem, post something to the microformats-discuss (http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss/) mailing list"
  260. [21:13:53] <Hagfish> qid: do you believe that i have an unsolved problem?
  261. [21:13:58] <Hagfish> in fact, don't answer that
  262. [21:13:58] <Hagfish> heh
  263. [21:14:57] <Hagfish> do you believe that not being able to search by what the blogger says about themself is an unsolved problem?
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  272. [22:00:22] <Hagfish> anyone know what i should put in an email about a new microformat?
  273. [22:00:37] <Hagfish> obviously not the microformat itself
  274. [22:00:56] <Hagfish> i assume use-cases should be in it
  275. [22:01:22] <Hagfish> like what someone wants to achieve, and how a microformat would help
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