IRC Log for #microformats on 2006-09-15
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- [02:09:40] <tantek>
greetings any brits here?
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- [02:09:52] <tantek>
anyone know anything about a "pubstandards" meetup ?
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- [05:03:47] <Frederic>
morning
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- [07:25:06] <Whiskey_M>
'lo
- [07:29:47] <keithalexander>
morning
- [07:30:27] <Whiskey_M>
how goes? here just waking up with a tea
- [07:31:04] <keithalexander>
good idea
- [07:31:13] <Frederic>
tea++
- [07:32:12] <keithalexander>
goes ok, just shooting the breeze with some chap in another channel who thinks microformats is evil and needs to be stopped
- [07:32:56] <KevinMarks>
ooh, good enemies are fun
- [07:32:58] <Whiskey_M>
does he have any reason or is he just change-phobic
- [07:33:59] <keithalexander>
it's an unusual one actually
- [07:34:07] <keithalexander>
he definitely wants change
- [07:34:15] <keithalexander>
he wants a lot of things
- [07:34:18] <Whiskey_M>
then what is his problem?
- [07:34:57] <keithalexander>
he sees mf as 'neverending patching'
- [07:35:37] <KevinMarks>
as opposed to what?
- [07:36:03] <keithalexander>
and html should allow the insertion of arbitrary datastructures (he might mean RDF, not completely sure), and that everyone should use wysiwygs
- [07:36:12] <Whiskey_M>
ahhh, he wants to throw away however many billion pages of HTML etc. for something more structured
- [07:36:46] <keithalexander>
not sure
- [07:37:58] <keithalexander>
his big thing seems to be that there should be a wysiwyg with perfect code generation and everyone should use that
- [07:38:47] <Whiskey_M>
well that isn't going to happen anytime soon
- [07:38:52] <keithalexander>
I believe he was mixing it up with the #html posse for having "Leave your wysiwygs at the door" in their title
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- [07:38:56] <jibot>
tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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- [07:40:18] <keithalexander>
I think he is also asking the w3c why they don't produce a rendering engine that all browsers should use
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- [08:02:06] <jibot>
drewinthehead is the author of hKit and a developer for Yahoo! Europe
- [08:02:38] <Whiskey_M>
morning drew :)
- [08:02:41] <drewinthehead>
mornin'
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trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and helps with www.multipack.co.uk
- [08:03:13] <Whiskey_M>
and morning trovster :)
- [08:03:19] <trovster>
'lo
- [08:03:25] <drewinthehead>
mornin' mr trov.
- [08:03:41] <drewinthehead>
the gang's all here, let's get on with the show.
- [08:04:50] <Whiskey_M>
It's time to play the music
- [08:04:50] <Whiskey_M>
It's time to light the lights
- [08:04:50] <Whiskey_M>
It's time to meet the Muppets on the Muppet Show tonight
- [08:05:00] <Whiskey_M>
sorry wrong show ;)
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gsnedders is a 14 year old idiot from Scotland and pretends to have a website at http://geoffers.uni.cc/
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- [08:28:23] <drewinthehead>
did you guys see i did some updates to rel-lint last night? i think it's shaping up quite nicely
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McNulty is Ciaran McNulty (http://ciaranmcnulty.com)
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- [11:34:11] <jibot>
briansuda is brian suda of http://suda.co.uk/ and http://claimid.com/briansuda in his freetime he works on the X2V microformats parser (-0600 CST)
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- [11:41:30] * drewinthehead just updated rel-lint again
- [11:41:56] <drewinthehead>
clicking a link in the report now scrolls to and highlights the link in question
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- [11:48:07] <trovster>
lint?
- [11:50:35] <briansuda>
does anyone have a LinkedIn account? there was a message to the discuss-list about some URL problems, and i wanted to check to see if the error is in my code/
- [11:53:05] <briansuda>
very nice drewinthehead, but most of the links are underneath the pop-up box
- [11:53:15] <briansuda>
what about adding 70% opacity or something to it?
- [11:53:30] <drewinthehead>
that's a good idea .. i was wondering how to tackle that
- [11:53:44] <drewinthehead>
i thought about making the box draggable .. but that'd add a lot of weight
- [11:54:38] <briansuda>
or make a minumize button next to the close
- [11:54:49] <briansuda>
then it will do the old OS9 "windo shade
- [11:54:52] <drewinthehead>
trovster: a lint tool can be thought of like a non-authoritative validator. it flags things it thinks might be wrong
- [11:54:55] <briansuda>
window shade effect"
- [11:54:59] <drewinthehead>
ah, could do that too
- [11:55:23] <drewinthehead>
or you can close it and re-open
- [11:58:05] <drewinthehead>
trovster: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lint_programming_tool
- [11:58:27] <drewinthehead>
the thing we're talking about is here: http://tools.microformatic.com/rel-lint/rel-lint.html
- [11:59:27] <trovster>
Suspicious value:
- [11:59:27] <trovster>
home
- [11:59:33] <drewinthehead>
i have a linkedin account, briansuda
- [12:00:01] <drewinthehead>
yeah, it's only checking XFN at the moment trovster. i need to add common known values like home, bookmark, alternative etc
- [12:00:22] <briansuda>
drewinthehead, can you look into this issue:http://microformats.org/discuss/mail/microformats-discuss/2006-September/005513.html
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- [12:00:28] <drewinthehead>
(or is it alternate? hmm)
- [12:00:56] <trovster>
http://www.sussexsportmc.co.uk/ I've added hatom to every page, what do people think?
- [12:04:30] <drewinthehead>
i don't see that problem, briansuda. the url values are just regular root-relative paths
- [12:04:50] <briansuda>
hm.. ok maybe he is using Tails Export or something?
- [12:05:05] <briansuda>
just wanted to check to make sure it wasn't a bug in X2V :)
- [12:05:07] <briansuda>
thanks
- [12:05:37] <drewinthehead>
maybe .. Tails isn't bulletproof as we've often seen
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- [12:05:44] <drewinthehead>
no, don't do it :)
- [12:06:09] <briansuda>
i'm suprised the Tails author isn't around more (if he's here he's never spoken-up)
- [12:06:14] <briansuda>
he gets more press than X2V!
- [12:06:18] <drewinthehead>
cool trovster. i like the subscribability of pages - although views often differ wildly ;)
- [12:06:49] <drewinthehead>
i like Tails .. it's great for quick identification
- [12:06:50] <trovster>
:)
- [12:07:54] <trovster>
I like Tails, too.
- [12:08:13] <briansuda>
i like Tails too, but (as discussion on the mailing list continues) when you directly participate in the wiki and hg, you get a much better product
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csarven is Sarven Capadisli and can be found online at http://www.csarven.ca
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pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
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- [13:27:08] <briansuda>
hm... Yale is using hCalendar for the Sociology Colloquium (http://www.yale.edu/sociology/colloquia/2006/fall/)
- [13:54:06] <briansuda>
drewinthehead, are you around? i've got another javascript favlet idea for you
- [13:54:47] <briansuda>
flickr maps is an easily hackable URL (http://flickr.com/map/?&fLat=55.934463&fLon=-3.20526&zl=2) if you use the DOM to extract the lat/lon you can plug them into the location.href and send people to that point with related pics
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- [13:56:56] <pnhChris>
theres also a "link this" link in the corner
- [13:57:30] <pnhChris>
which builds a url with the right coords, filters, etc
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- [14:03:00] <briansuda>
right, but do that from any page in the internet
- [14:03:31] <briansuda>
so if upcoming.org used geo coordinate for their venues, you could click a little favlet and extract the lat/lon and show you nearby pics
- [14:04:31] <drewinthehead>
sounds cool guys ... i'm just fighting some fires .. back in a while.
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- [14:07:34] <jibot>
sreynen is Scott Reynen, who makes things at makedatamakesense.com
- [14:10:53] <pnhChris>
ah
- [14:10:59] <pnhChris>
you mean going the other way
- [14:11:02] <pnhChris>
gotcha
- [14:11:29] <briansuda>
it might be interesting
- [14:11:42] <briansuda>
if you are attending an event, you might have some time before/after to see the sights
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- [14:55:49] <jibot>
DanC_lap is DanC on his laptop.
- [14:56:30] <DanC_lap>
I wonder how many other people are using hCalendar in their daily work. I found it pretty useful this week. http://www.w3.org/2006/09dc-aus/aus-aa
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- [14:57:57] <DanC_lap>
a little quiet here. I guess it's still early in California. What timezone do you mostly work from these days, I wonder, briansuda ?
- [15:02:56] <tantek>
good morning DanC
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- [15:11:00] <drewinthehead>
greetings
- [15:15:03] <tantek>
greetings drew
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- [15:19:08] <drewinthehead>
how was the presentation, tantek?
- [15:19:15] <drewinthehead>
all good?
- [15:20:19] <tantek>
I think it went fine, certainly logistically their MacBook Pro worked fine, Safari worked fine, the wireless USB clicker thingie worked fine (which meant I didn't have to simply be a podium-jocky for 45 minutes).
- [15:20:35] <tantek>
The demos all ran and worked
- [15:21:15] <drewinthehead>
excellent.
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- [15:32:22] <sreynen>
drewinthehead, i very much enjoyed the phrase "autoposterior ascension"
- [15:32:44] <drewinthehead>
thank you, i crafted it especially. :)
- [15:33:57] * DanC_lap wonders where tantek presented; checks the web...
- [15:34:01] <DanC_lap>
I just did a reprise of my XML 2005 hCalendar/GRDDL/semweb talk to a U.T. undergrad computer science course.
- [15:34:40] <drewinthehead>
DanC_lap: http://upcoming.org/event/89531/
- [15:34:58] <tantek>
http://microformats.org/wiki/events/2006-09-13-future-of-web-apps-microformats
- [15:35:37] <tantek>
drew, do you know anything about a "pubstandards
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" meetup in the UK?
- [15:36:06] <DanC_lap>
hmm... "URLs"... I'm not fond of that style.
- [15:36:15] <DanC_lap>
i'd rather "see also"
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- [15:43:08] <drewinthehead>
yes, it's a social for people who make websites, tantek
- [15:43:22] <drewinthehead>
just a bunch of geeks in a pub
- [15:43:43] <Whiskey_M>
pub, sounds like heaven ;)
- [15:44:17] <drewinthehead>
there was one last night - but i stayed home and hacked on my XFN lint tool. i think that makes me too geeky for geeks or something.
- [15:44:40] <drewinthehead>
(actually i was just too tired to socialise)
- [15:44:44] <tantek>
heh
- [15:44:52] <tantek>
drew, do you know anything of, ahem, custom sticker making related to last night's pubstandards meetup?
- [15:45:02] * tantek is feeling a bit iconified.
- [15:45:23] <drewinthehead>
ah, hmm. stickers usually occur.
- [15:45:44] <drewinthehead>
i've not seen any from last night though ...
- [15:54:02] <tantek>
they're definitely posted to flickr ;)
- [15:57:31] <_fil_>
what were you having in that bar/nightclub?? :)
- [15:57:57] * _fil_ looking for the stickers
- [15:59:32] <DanC_lap>
tantek's presentation says linkedin's doing hResume. that's news to me. anybody got a pointer to more info about that?
- [16:00:40] * DanC_lap has a XOXO blog item to write...
- [16:02:00] <DanC_lap>
I don't see linkedin under http://microformats.org/wiki/hresume#Implementations ; perhaps that's a different sense of "implement"
- [16:02:58] <DanC_lap>
linkedin and hresume would make a great "I want my data back" story
- [16:04:07] * DanC_lap finds it via technorati search
- [16:04:44] <tantek>
DanC, they announced that they are working on it in a public blog comment
- [16:04:53] <DanC_lap>
yes, http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/09/09/linkedin-refreshes/#comment-16885
- [16:04:55] <tantek>
so they are implementing, but not yet an implementation
- [16:04:58] <tantek>
right
- [16:05:18] <tantek>
and yes it does make a great story of that sort
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- [16:14:49] * drewinthehead hadn't seen rel="foaf-workplaceHomepage" before
- [16:14:56] <drewinthehead>
that's kinda clumsy
- [16:17:08] <drewinthehead>
i hadn't realised that FOAF had an embedded syntax at all ... you live and learn :)
- [16:20:35] * drewinthehead has found XFN typos on eric's site, no XFN on matt's site, and tantek gets a gold star for correct usage.
- [16:20:58] <tantek>
:D
- [16:22:01] * drewinthehead is claiming the errors on his own site a deliberate... or at least deliberately not fixed yet ;)
- [16:22:55] <drewinthehead>
results show 98.56% of people can't spell 'acquaintance'
- [16:23:23] <drewinthehead>
(statistics accurate at time of being made up)
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- [16:42:35] <tantek>
DanC, also here: http://uk.techcrunch.com/?p=81 - evidence of LinkedIn supporting hCard *now*
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flamey flame
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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- [19:23:43] <Frederic>
Hi tantek
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pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
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another quiet day
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2 more slides and tomorrow's speech is done
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- [23:02:00] * bewest just had lunch with Doug Engelbart
- [23:02:16] <bewest>
he embodied microformat principles over 30 years ago :-)
- [23:05:25] <bewest>
in terms of reuse, making things simple, 80/20, empowering users (for us it's publishers), and most importantly convergence and coevolution... advancements in facility and capability should follow what people are actually doing
- [23:06:17] <KevinMarks>
though he was very anti- ease of use and integration with existing work practices
- [23:06:56] <KevinMarks>
he argued people are teachable and can learn new complex actions that help them work better
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- [23:09:00] <bewest>
hey hober
- [23:13:15] <bewest>
hober: I'm curious about the evdb web api
- [23:13:30] <bewest>
hober: how did you guys decide what the URI's should be and how they should be structured?
- [23:13:58] <bewest>
hober: also I was wondering what tools you used to create the web api
- [23:14:08] <bewest>
hober: and how you arrived at the xml format to use
- [23:16:23] <bewest>
same questions go to technorati, actually
- [23:17:54] <hober>
hi
- [23:17:56] <hober>
hmm
- [23:17:59] <hober>
lots of questions :)
- [23:18:04] <KevinMarks>
the uris were a lot of internal discussion
- [23:18:18] <KevinMarks>
cal adn tom were good about this recently
- [23:18:25] <hober>
s/internal discussion/blowout argument/ in our case :/
- [23:19:23] <bewest>
yes. I'm architecting a new service; we are having arguments
- [23:19:25] <bewest>
hehe
- [23:19:43] <bewest>
and it's something I've been thinking about in general
- [23:20:09] <bewest>
if you're going to assign every piece of data a URI, what should the canonical representation be, and how should it be addressed
- [23:20:37] <bewest>
there is currently a thread on the mailing list about this
- [23:20:39] <hober>
You might get some interesting responses from several Eventful people if you post that question to our API mailing list
- [23:20:40] <bewest>
started by Jim
- [23:20:49] <bewest>
oh that's a good idea
- [23:21:04] <hober>
http://api.evdb.com/#api-developers
- [23:22:57] <bewest>
I of course have my own ideas http://bewest.wordpress.com/2006/09/03/uri-design-web-api/
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