IRC Log for #microformats on 2006-09-20

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  2. [00:25:58] <jibot> evanpro is Evan Prodromou, info at http://wikitravel.org/en/User:Evan
  3. [00:26:08] <evanpro> TADAAAA!
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  5. [00:26:41] <jibot> Atamido is Paul Bryson, http://orangeman.commo.de/
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  8. [00:43:34] <tantek> terrell, could you give pingerati.net another try and let me know if it is working for you?
  9. [00:51:32] <terrell> just came up
  10. [00:53:03] <terrell> looks good
  11. [00:55:32] <terrell> tantek: it gives expected response codes again - thanks
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  13. [00:59:40] <tantek> thanks for verifying terrell - sorry about that
  14. [00:59:54] <tantek> we're working on adding more redundancy to avoid such problems in the future
  15. [01:09:06] <terrell> well, if nothing else - it brought to my attention our current limitation of having things inline
  16. [01:09:21] <terrell> might be pushing them to a separate queue here shortly
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  19. [01:15:55] <jibot> edsu is Ed Summers from the Library of Congress <http://www.inkdroid.org>
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  27. [02:38:53] <jibot> cgriego is Chris Griego (-06:00) and a front-end architect with rd2inc.com
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  29. [02:47:12] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  37. [04:23:54] <jibot> cgriego is Chris Griego (-06:00) and a front-end architect with rd2inc.com
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  39. [04:50:09] <Frederic> morning
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  50. [06:48:14] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  54. [07:14:16] <jibot> bengee is Benjamin Nowack (http://bnode.org/)
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  57. [07:25:50] <jibot> briansuda is brian suda of http://suda.co.uk and is at (-0000 GMT)
  58. [07:38:08] <mfbot> [[hlisting-proposal]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hlisting-proposal&diff=0&oldid=8684 * D4rr3ll * (+117) Examples in the Wild -
  59. [07:39:29] <mfbot> [[hlisting-feedback]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hlisting-feedback&diff=0&oldid=8685 * D4rr3ll * (+115) Validator -
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  62. [07:46:35] <mfbot> [[hlisting-proposal]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hlisting-proposal&diff=0&oldid=8686 * AndyMabbett * (+32) Schema - 'currency' proposal
  63. [07:49:46] <mfbot> [[hreview]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hreview&diff=0&oldid=8687 * AndyMabbett * (+72) Related Pages - 'currency' proposal
  64. [07:51:37] <mfbot> [[hreview-feedback]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hreview-feedback&diff=0&oldid=8688 * AndyMabbett * (+96) the currency proposal
  65. [07:56:14] <mfbot> [[User:D4rr3ll]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/User:D4rr3ll * D4rr3ll * (+127)
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  67. [08:04:30] <jibot> trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and helps with www.multipack.co.uk
  68. [08:07:44] <Frederic> briansuda: congrats for being published by oreilly
  69. [08:08:02] <Frederic> A little step for you but a great step for Miroformats
  70. [08:08:15] <briansuda> cheers! i'm at the O'Reilly conference now in Brussels doing my best to promote microformats and open data
  71. [08:09:16] <Frederic> Great
  72. [08:09:34] <Frederic> Tell me when you come to Paris
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  74. [08:18:47] <jibot> drewinthehead is the author of hKit and a developer for Yahoo! Europe
  75. [08:25:40] <briansuda> Federic, i should be in Paris for XTECH07 in May
  76. [08:26:00] <briansuda> Frederic, i should be in Paris for XTECH07 in May
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  78. [08:28:23] <jibot> gsnedders is a 14 year old idiot from Scotland and pretends to have a website at http://geoffers.uni.cc/
  79. [08:30:12] <Frederic> briansuda: any URL ?
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  81. [08:31:32] <Frederic> Found.
  82. [08:32:07] <briansuda> http://www.xtech-conference.org/2007/ (just in case others are listening from the sidelines)
  83. [08:33:05] <Frederic> I'll ask my company to pay for this
  84. [08:33:33] <Frederic> Or I'll ask for a press badge
  85. [08:35:12] <briansuda> it is still a ways off - maybe you can submit a proposal to present
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  87. [08:36:33] <Frederic> I have to think about it.
  88. [08:36:46] <Frederic> Don't know if I can do a presentation at a major event like this
  89. [08:37:13] <briansuda> xtech06 wasn't all that big, it is not as scary as you think
  90. [08:37:54] <Frederic> I think you'll do the microformats speech won't you ?
  91. [08:39:11] <briansuda> no, i won free tickets as the prize at xtech06, so i don't have to prepare anything
  92. [08:39:30] <briansuda> the door is open for you or anyone else
  93. [08:40:05] <Frederic> I'm going to think about it. Doing pres in French is OK, but my English is a bit rusty
  94. [08:42:36] <tantek> briansuda, you should add your book to http://microformats.org/wiki/books
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  96. [08:42:51] <briansuda> excellent idea tantek
  97. [08:44:11] * tantek saw this blogpost: http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/09/19/using-microformats-by-brian-suda/
  98. [08:44:54] <Frederic> There is this one too http://fredericdevillamil.com/articles/2006/09/20/oreilly-%C3%A9dite-le-premier-livre-sur-les-microformats
  99. [08:45:05] <Frederic> Hope this will spread quickly
  100. [08:46:12] <briansuda> The whole this has abit of a timing nightmare. I presented yesterday morning about Microformats, and the deadline luckly got the PDF "published" monday night!
  101. [08:46:42] <briansuda> so i haven't had much time to "put the propaganda machine" in motion yet
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  103. [08:47:14] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
  104. [08:47:32] <Frederic> 10$ for a 56 pages pdf is quite expensive IMHO
  105. [08:48:18] <Frederic> Even though the cntent certainly worth it
  106. [09:07:07] <mfbot> [[resume-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=resume-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=8689 * AndyMabbett * (+161) Salary
  107. [09:07:40] * drewinthehead wishes more books were available as PDF
  108. [09:08:08] <mfbot> [[books]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=books&diff=0&oldid=8690 * Brian * (+279) Added information about new OReilly book "Using Microformats"
  109. [09:08:47] <Frederic> I like paper books. OK, it takes a lot of room, but I really prefer them.
  110. [09:09:34] <mfbot> [[job-listing-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=job-listing-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=8691 * AndyMabbett * (+99) See also - the proposed currency microformat
  111. [09:10:30] <mfbot> [[job-listing-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=job-listing-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=8692 * AndyMabbett * (+8) salary
  112. [09:11:10] <drewinthehead> i work in multiple places, Frederic, so being able to keep books on my laptop is a major advantage. as is being able to search
  113. [09:11:36] <mfbot> [[books-fr]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=books-fr&diff=0&oldid=8693 * NeuRo * (+157)
  114. [09:12:01] <drewinthehead> i through with big heavy paper books for technical reference
  115. [09:12:11] <Frederic> drewinthehead: same here, but I also use tube a lot and I don't like to use my laptop in public transportation
  116. [09:12:22] <mfbot> [[job-listing-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=job-listing-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=8694 * AndyMabbett * (+57) extra links
  117. [09:13:04] <drewinthehead> i can't read in motion at all ... i can't even *think* about reading in motion without feeling giddy ;)
  118. [09:13:42] <Frederic> Well, I read most of my books in transportation, home is too noisy to keep concentrate
  119. [09:16:20] <drewinthehead> i guess there are a couple of different models of use - i use books to look stuff up mainly. i don't tend to sit and read through them.
  120. [09:16:33] * briansuda is absolutely amazed that he added to the wiki at 11:08, and 11:11 there was french version
  121. [09:16:47] * drewinthehead wishes o'reilly did the new javascript rhino book as a pdf
  122. [09:17:23] <Frederic> briansuda: I'm the one responsible forr this instant translation
  123. [09:17:34] <drewinthehead> just add water :)
  124. [09:17:36] <briansuda> :)
  125. [09:17:43] <Frederic> I've still haven't ignored mfbot
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  127. [09:37:14] <mfbot> [[currency-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=currency-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=8695 * AndyMabbett * (+1251) Andy Mabbett - Straw man proposal
  128. [09:38:20] <mfbot> [[currency-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=currency-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=8696 * AndyMabbett * (+48) Straw man proposal - clarification
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  130. [09:38:38] <jibot> trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and helps with www.multipack.co.uk
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  133. [09:46:40] <jibot> briansuda is brian suda of http://suda.co.uk and is at (-0000 GMT)
  134. [09:49:46] <mfbot> [[currency-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=currency-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=8697 * AndyMabbett * (+51) Straw man proposal - Ciaran McNulty's ideas
  135. [09:50:47] <mfbot> [[currency-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=currency-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=8698 * AndyMabbett * (+53) Straw man proposal - indentation
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  138. [09:55:13] <mfbot> [[currency-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=currency-examples&diff=0&oldid=8699 * AndyMabbett * (+15) Participants - add self; alphbeticise
  139. [09:56:19] <mfbot> [[currency-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=currency-examples&diff=0&oldid=8700 * AndyMabbett * (-64) remove bloat
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  143. [10:01:10] <mfbot> [[currency-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=currency-examples&diff=0&oldid=8701 * AndyMabbett * (+48) See Also - link to straw man proposal
  144. [10:02:41] <mfbot> [[currency-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=currency-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=8702 * AndyMabbett * (+124) Straw man proposal - ignore "$" unless marked-up
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  153. [11:48:16] <jibot> briansuda is brian suda of http://suda.co.uk and is at (-0000 GMT)
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  157. [12:01:57] <drewinthehead> tools.microformatic.com is currently enjoying the combined link traffic from simplebits.com, daringfireball.net, hicksdesign.co.uk and del.icio.us/popular
  158. [12:03:24] <drewinthehead> by the end of the year there won't be a soul left who hasn't heard of microformats :)
  159. [12:05:55] <trovster> heh.
  160. [12:05:58] <dc__> :)
  161. [12:06:04] <trovster> It's fun when the webcelebs join forces, innit.
  162. [12:06:13] <trovster> It actually reminded me to add it to delicious
  163. [12:07:28] <Frederic> microformatic, that souds familiar to me
  164. [12:07:41] <Frederic> I think I've been linked there once
  165. [12:08:07] <drewinthehead> not to be confused with microformatique.com
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  167. [12:08:30] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
  168. [12:08:34] <Frederic> Oh yeah
  169. [12:08:35] <drewinthehead> (mine came first, for the record! :D )
  170. [12:08:59] <trovster> Who sems to have fixed his latest post, lack of </strong> was being funny ;)
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  172. [12:18:57] <jibot> remi is Remi Prevost, a web developper (yeah, that's how we spell "developer" in french) from Quebec and blogs about web stuff at <http://remiprevost.com/>
  173. [12:21:39] <Frederic> Wow, THE remi prevost (just kidding :))
  174. [12:22:35] <remi> i think other people in this room would need a "THE" before I get one ;)
  175. [12:25:35] <Frederic> héhé
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  177. [12:28:50] <jibot> gsnedders is a 14 year old idiot from Scotland and pretends to have a website at http://geoffers.uni.cc/
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  179. [12:30:10] <jibot> csarven is Sarven Capadisli and can be found online at http://www.csarven.ca
  180. [12:35:29] <remi> csarven, are you from Quebec?
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  188. [13:15:08] <mfbot> [[currency-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=currency-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=8703 * AndyMabbett * (+535) Straw man proposal - better examples for unit & symbol
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  190. [13:16:22] <jibot> sreynen is Scott Reynen, who makes things at makedatamakesense.com
  191. [13:24:09] <mfbot> [[currency-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=currency-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=8704 * AndyMabbett * (-1517) Andy Mabbett - tidying, removing defunct comments
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  193. [13:28:46] <mfbot> [[currency-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=currency-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=8705 * AndyMabbett * (+30) Assumptions - clarify
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  200. [13:35:48] <mfbot> [[currency-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=currency-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=8707 * AndyMabbett * (+238) combining classes
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  202. [13:45:42] <jibot> pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
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  206. [13:47:36] <jibot> drewinthehead is the author of hKit and a developer for Yahoo! Europe
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  210. [13:58:50] <mfbot> [[currency-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=currency-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=8708 * AndyMabbett * (+136) Straw man proposal - single vs plural classes
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  213. [14:08:19] <jibot> briansuda is brian suda of http://suda.co.uk and is at (-0000 GMT)
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  216. [14:12:32] <jibot> danja is Danny Ayers, http://dannyayers.com
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  218. [14:18:39] <csarven> remi Montreal, Quebec yes
  219. [14:19:29] <briansuda> ?def
  220. [14:19:30] <jibot> Braindump available at: http://an9.org/~jibot
  221. [14:20:01] <mfbot> [[currency-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=currency-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=8709 * AndyMabbett * (+150) Straw man proposal - fix bad examples; ISO code
  222. [14:20:03] <briansuda> ?def briansuda and has written "Using Microformats" for O'Reilly [http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/microformats/] yet
  223. [14:20:03] <jibot> Nobody has defined briansuda and has written "Using Microformats" for O'Reilly [http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/microformats/] yet yet
  224. [14:20:10] <briansuda> ?def briansuda
  225. [14:20:10] <jibot> briansuda is brian suda of http://suda.co.uk and is at (-0000 GMT)
  226. [14:20:16] <briansuda> ?forgetme
  227. [14:20:16] <jibot> I have expunged briansuda from my mind
  228. [14:20:26] <pnhChris> me too
  229. [14:20:42] <briansuda> ?def is brian suda of http://suda.co.uk and is at (-0000 GMT) and has written "Using Microformats" for O'Reilly [http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/microformats/] yet
  230. [14:20:42] <jibot> I need at least 3 words with an 'is' in the middle
  231. [14:20:47] * pnhChris ^5 jibot
  232. [14:21:03] <briansuda> ?def is briansuda of http://suda.co.uk and is at (-0000 GMT) and has written "Using Microformats" for O'Reilly [http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/microformats/]
  233. [14:21:03] <jibot> I need at least 3 words with an 'is' in the middle
  234. [14:21:41] <briansuda> ?def briansuda is brian suda of http://suda.co.uk and is at (-0000 GMT) and has written "Using Microformats" for O'Reilly [http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/microformats/]
  235. [14:21:41] <jibot> briansuda is brian suda of http://suda.co.uk and is at (-0000 GMT) and has written "Using Microformats" for O'Reilly [http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/microformats/]
  236. [14:21:57] <briansuda> ?forgetme
  237. [14:21:57] <jibot> I have expunged briansuda from my mind
  238. [14:22:12] <mfbot> [[currency-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=currency-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=8710 * AndyMabbett * (+1) Straw man proposal - fix
  239. [14:22:16] <briansuda> ?def briansuda is brian suda of http://suda.co.uk and is at (-0000 GMT) and is author of "Using Microformats" for O'Reilly [http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/microformats/]
  240. [14:22:16] <jibot> briansuda is brian suda of http://suda.co.uk and is at (-0000 GMT) and is author of "Using Microformats" for O'Reilly [http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/microformats/]
  241. [14:22:28] * briansuda is finished editing now
  242. [14:23:48] <drewinthehead> :D
  243. [14:33:13] <mfbot> [[currency-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=currency-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=8711 * AndyMabbett * (+4) Andy Mabbett - tidy
  244. [14:35:30] <mfbot> [[currency-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=currency-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=8712 * AndyMabbett * (+46) Straw man proposal - fix
  245. [14:36:51] <mfbot> [[currency-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=currency-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=8713 * AndyMabbett * (+2) Andy Mabbett - "
  246. [14:37:27] <mfbot> [[currency-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=currency-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=8714 * AndyMabbett * (+1) Andy Mabbett -
  247. [14:39:03] <mfbot> [[currency-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=currency-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=8715 * AndyMabbett * (+2) Andy Mabbett - " "
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  255. [15:10:16] <jibot> cgriego is Chris Griego (-06:00) and a front-end architect with rd2inc.com
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  277. [16:45:03] <jibot> briansuda is brian suda of http://suda.co.uk and is at (-0000 GMT) and is author of "Using Microformats" for O'Reilly [http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/microformats/]
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  279. [16:47:58] <scottjungling> hey briansuda, i've got a bit of an esoteric question... i'm trying to emulate the feed service that technorati offers for transforming microformats to ics through your xslt fu. i'm trying the mod_rewrite route but the URI's aren
  280. [16:48:04] <scottjungling> t getting passed properly
  281. [16:48:23] <scottjungling> http://feeds.csuchico.edu/events/http://seaborn.csuchico.edu/~sjungling/mf/roomres.html
  282. [16:48:24] <briansuda> do you have a link?
  283. [16:48:41] <scottjungling> mod_rewrite feels the need to drop one of the '/' from the URI
  284. [16:49:22] <briansuda> hmm.. what is your re-write rule?
  285. [16:49:33] <scottjungling> RewriteRule ^(events/)(.*)$ /x2v/get-vcal.php?uri=$2 [QSA,L]
  286. [16:50:24] <briansuda> i don't know re-write that well, i'm not sure what the QSA,L does, but....
  287. [16:50:29] <briansuda> you might be able to do this in the REGEX
  288. [16:50:54] <briansuda> RewriteRule ^events/(http://)?(.*)$ /x2v/get-vcal.php?uri=http://$2 [QSA,L]
  289. [16:52:13] <scottjungling> heh. http://http:/seaborn.csuchico.edu/~sjungling/mf/roomres.html
  290. [16:52:23] <scottjungling> closer, but i see where you're going with this
  291. [16:52:49] <scottjungling> i was hoping to avoid that for fear of complexity that might arise for needing to check/match against https as well
  292. [16:52:57] <briansuda> yeah, i'm not sure what the deal is with the // => /
  293. [16:53:30] <scottjungling> yeah, has me stumped
  294. [16:53:55] <briansuda> you might try asking kingryan or tantek, one of them had to get it working for technorati's site
  295. [16:54:28] <KevinMarks> we do it in php
  296. [16:55:30] <scottjungling> what method are you using in php?
  297. [16:55:32] <briansuda> yes, but how do you get the URL for the page to transform from the service URL?
  298. [16:56:48] <KevinMarks> $url_parts = explode('/', urldecode($_SERVER['REQUEST_URI']));
  299. [16:56:50] <KevinMarks> $ping_url = join('/', array_slice($url_parts, 2));
  300. [16:57:48] <scottjungling> i think i have a rewrite rule that handles those cases
  301. [16:57:50] <scottjungling> RewriteRule ^(events)/(referer)$ /x2v/get-vcal.php?uri=%{HTTP_REFERER}
  302. [16:58:12] <scottjungling> my problem is specific to when you pass an arbitrary URI which may not be the refering page
  303. [17:00:57] <scottjungling> and while it's possible just to specify the query string a la '?uri=http://blah'... i'm intrigued by the Technorati solution which is a cleaner url
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  306. [17:01:28] <jibot> kingryan is ryan king
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  309. [17:02:32] <jibot> mlinksva is Mike Linksvayer and from Creative Commons
  310. [17:04:50] <briansuda> yeah, opening in new tab doesn't pass a referrer
  311. [17:06:01] <scottjungling> hi kingryan, i was just chatting with brian about how technorati's microformat feed service handles URLs in queries, could you offer some insight?
  312. [17:06:24] <kingryan> what do you mean?
  313. [17:06:53] <scottjungling> i'm trying to emulate the way technorati handles mf feeds for converting to ics,etc
  314. [17:06:54] <scottjungling> http://feeds.csuchico.edu/events/http://seaborn.csuchico.edu/~sjungling/mf/roomres.html
  315. [17:07:27] <scottjungling> i've tried this via mod_rewrite but i'm finding a weird bug where the URL isn't passed properly in the rewrite process (as it's removing a slash)
  316. [17:07:30] <kingryan> :D
  317. [17:07:55] <kingryan> in php we do substr($_SERVER['PATH_INFO'], 8)
  318. [17:08:26] <kingryan> using an apache handler
  319. [17:10:02] <scottjungling> so, right now i have a rule of
  320. [17:10:03] <scottjungling> RewriteRule ^(events/)(.*)$ /x2v/get-vcal.php?uri=$2 [QSA,L]
  321. [17:10:13] <kingryan> that should work
  322. [17:10:40] <scottjungling> it should, but it's removing a slash in the http://
  323. [17:11:11] <scottjungling> would %{PATH_INFO} be a better substitute?
  324. [17:11:48] <kingryan> maybe
  325. [17:12:08] <kingryan> we do it all in the php code so that we can do whatever cleanup neccesary
  326. [17:12:11] <scottjungling> funny thing: the matching/replacement from the rule works perfectly in an editor like bbedit, but apache seems to be dropping the ball... or possibly doing some uri escaping fu
  327. [17:12:42] <scottjungling> so you have a directory with an index.php file that basically grabs PATH_INFO and goes to town on parsing?
  328. [17:12:57] <KevinMarks> yes
  329. [17:13:02] <kingryan> we don't use multiviews, though
  330. [17:13:08] <KevinMarks> those were the 2 lines i posted
  331. [17:13:12] <kingryan> we explicitly map it with an apache handler
  332. [17:13:26] <kingryan> http://httpd.apache.org/docs/1.3/handler.html
  333. [17:13:37] <scottjungling> ah, i understand what you were saying kevin
  334. [17:15:44] <scottjungling> alright, i think i've got a good sense of what direction to go with this, thanks guys for your help
  335. [17:17:42] <kingryan> mod_rewrite is evil black magic
  336. [17:17:47] <kingryan> don't use it anymore :D
  337. [17:18:09] <scottjungling> heh. double-edged sword
  338. [17:18:55] <kingryan> from the docs: "Despite the tons of examples and docs, mod_rewrite is voodoo. Damned cool voodoo, but still voodoo. ''
  339. [17:20:44] <KevinMarks> it's like jwz's rule iterated
  340. [17:21:13] <KevinMarks> you have a problem. You use mod_rewrite. now you have 3 problems, and one of them is a regex
  341. [17:22:27] <scottjungling> and it can't even read mail... useless!
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  343. [17:25:19] <kingryan> hmm, I bet you could get mod_rewrite to read mail
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  345. [17:26:13] <scottjungling> ah, but *could* doesn't imply *should* :-)
  346. [17:26:41] <scottjungling> especially when dealing with voodoo...
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  349. [17:47:19] <Frederic> mod_rewrite rocks
  350. [17:49:24] <scottjungling> for the curious, i was able to get it to work with mod_rewrite and mixing the code kevinmarks suggested into briansuda's get-vcal script
  351. [17:50:04] <KevinMarks> cool
  352. [17:51:06] <scottjungling> just replaced the bit of code that grabs GET['uri'] and grabbed SERVER['REQUEST_URI'] instead
  353. [17:51:26] <scottjungling> and of course all the explode/join fu
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  357. [18:03:51] <jibot> Phae is Frances Berriman of http://www.fberriman.com/
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  359. [18:09:32] <jibot> briansuda is brian suda of http://suda.co.uk and is at (-0000 GMT) and is author of "Using Microformats" for O'Reilly [http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/microformats/]
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  366. [19:06:05] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  374. [19:31:19] <jibot> RobertBachmann is Robert Bachmann <http://rbach.priv.at/> and lives in Austria (Timezone: UTC 02)
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  376. [19:34:02] <jibot> drewinthehead is the author of hKit and a developer for Yahoo! Europe
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  378. [19:37:05] <jibot> remi is Remi Prevost, a web developper (yeah, that's how we spell "developer" in french) from Quebec and blogs about web stuff at <http://remiprevost.com/>
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  380. [19:40:43] <jibot> briansuda is brian suda of http://suda.co.uk and is at (-0000 GMT) and is author of "Using Microformats" for O'Reilly [http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/microformats/]
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  383. [19:49:09] <drewinthehead> greetings
  384. [19:58:40] * remi (n=remi@csf-127.cegep-ste-foy.qc.ca) Quit ()
  385. [20:03:01] <RobertBachmann> evening
  386. [20:04:51] <drewinthehead> evening RobertBachmann
  387. [20:05:22] * pnhChris checks watch
  388. [20:05:27] <pnhChris> um.. yeah :P
  389. [20:05:31] <Phae> evening :)
  390. [20:05:47] <pnhChris> its a british invasion!
  391. [20:05:57] <Phae> drew and I are always here. that doesn't count.
  392. [20:06:17] * drewinthehead nods
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  394. [20:11:09] <briansuda> hello from brussels
  395. [20:13:15] <KevinMarks> hi briansuda
  396. [20:13:35] <KevinMarks> look out for Suw there
  397. [20:13:39] <Frederic> Hi briansuda, KevinMarks
  398. [20:13:40] <briansuda> hello, MAKE fare just ended here
  399. [20:13:54] <briansuda> suw is around - there has also been a werewolf invasion!
  400. [20:14:00] <KevinMarks> aha
  401. [20:14:00] <Phae> yay!
  402. [20:14:06] * drewinthehead suspects swillison
  403. [20:14:08] <Phae> that game is so viral.
  404. [20:14:10] <Phae> heh
  405. [20:14:26] <briansuda> i think i have it sorted, but i'm not sure yet
  406. [20:14:47] <Phae> I still think XFN needs villager/werewolf types.
  407. [20:15:02] <pnhChris> geeks!
  408. [20:15:03] <pnhChris> oh
  409. [20:15:05] <pnhChris> wait
  410. [20:15:07] <Phae> yeah.
  411. [20:15:08] <Phae> heh
  412. [20:15:17] <tantek> Phae, those don't describe relationships
  413. [20:15:27] <Phae> alright smartass.
  414. [20:15:30] * Phae thinks.
  415. [20:15:38] <pnhChris> tantek wants them to be tags :P
  416. [20:15:47] <Phae> heh
  417. [20:15:47] <briansuda> it certainly helps to identify werewolf when you are inebriated
  418. [20:15:48] <tantek> pnhChris is correct, they are tags
  419. [20:15:52] <Phae> fine!
  420. [20:16:01] <Phae> couldn't they be like votelinks though?
  421. [20:16:02] <tantek> you can tag people using hCard
  422. [20:16:05] <KevinMarks> well, they coudl eb accusations
  423. [20:16:13] <Phae> werewolf is all about the accusations.
  424. [20:16:22] <Phae> whether you actually are one or not is fairly irrelevant
  425. [20:16:25] <tantek> they are labels, nothing more, nothing less
  426. [20:16:47] <Phae> :P
  427. [20:16:52] <KevinMarks> http://www.flickr.com/photos/mbiddulph/247167358/
  428. [20:16:54] <briansuda> <a href="http://en.wikipidea.com/wiki/werefolf" rev="vote-for">
  429. [20:17:03] <Phae> heh.
  430. [20:17:20] <tantek> ?def werefolf
  431. [20:17:20] <jibot> Nobody has defined werefolf yet
  432. [20:17:47] <drewinthehead> i think it's the FOAF attempt at expressing accusations
  433. [20:17:48] <KevinMarks> werefolksonomy?
  434. [20:17:52] <pnhChris> i suspect there's a better tag cloud ;p
  435. [20:17:58] <Phae> :S
  436. [20:17:59] <pnhChris> then wikipedia
  437. [20:19:40] <bengee> s/FOAF/FOAW/ ;)
  438. [20:21:39] <KevinMarks> if express all the is_a_werewolf assertions in RDF, you can resolve the question
  439. [20:21:44] <bengee> rdfs:subClassOf foaf:Person if moon != full
  440. [20:22:26] <Phae> oh dear
  441. [20:23:42] <briansuda> :)
  442. [20:24:09] <briansuda> #werewolf
  443. [20:28:23] * briansuda (n=briansud@62.50.193.173) Quit ("off to eat villagers")
  444. [20:36:49] <mfbot> [[Main Page]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=8716 * Fox * (-9415) honkysausage
  445. [20:42:00] <mfbot> [[Main Page]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=8717 * RobertBachmann * (+9415) Reverted edit of Fox, changed back to last version by AndyMabbett
  446. [20:43:36] <mfbot> [[Special:Log/block]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Special:Log/block&diff=0&oldid=0 * RobertBachmann * (+0) blocked "User:Fox" with an expiry time of indefinite: Vandalism on main page
  447. [20:44:02] <RobertBachmann> bye bye Fox
  448. [20:44:27] <tantek> thanks robert
  449. [20:45:54] <KevinMarks> I played werewolf by irc the other day
  450. [20:46:12] <Phae> does it work?
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  452. [20:46:57] <KevinMarks> it does, just about
  453. [20:47:19] <Phae> hmm.. I'd have to try it to believe it. It's all the body language and watching that makes it fun.
  454. [20:47:37] <Phae> Although I played the version of it that was around when the movie based on the same concept came out, that was online.
  455. [20:47:42] <Phae> and it only barely worked.
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  458. [20:56:30] <jibot> remi is Remi Prevost, a web developper (yeah, that's how we spell "developer" in french) from Quebec and blogs about web stuff at <http://remiprevost.com/>
  459. [20:59:13] <Frederic> hi remi
  460. [20:59:21] <remi> hi Frederic
  461. [20:59:51] <Frederic> night too
  462. [20:59:55] <Frederic> I'm finished
  463. [20:59:59] <Frederic> too much work
  464. [21:01:04] <DanC> hmm... I was about to bookmark this with delicious, but the PHPSESSID works against the social network effect. http://2007.sxsw.com/interactive/?PHPSESSID=62777a8ebbd7f4cf8ad72c7b1933d9b2
  465. [21:01:23] <mfbot> [[rel-tag-faq]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rel-tag-faq&diff=0&oldid=8718 * DavidJanes * (+513) Q&A -
  466. [21:04:33] <DanC> whoa... flock pegs the CPU as I try to bookmark it...
  467. [21:05:10] * danja (n=danja@host199-220-static.104-80-b.business.telecomitalia.it) Quit ()
  468. [21:07:49] <DanC> hmm... since telling flock about my delicous account, it has pegged the CPU
  469. [21:08:14] * jcgregorio (i=chatzill@nat/ibm/x-d03047d57a2db058) Quit ("Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 1.5.0.5/2006073115]")
  470. [21:12:49] <tantek> DanC, isn't there some TAG finding about not putting things like PHPSESSID into the URL?
  471. [21:13:32] <DanC> well, webarch says "don't make aliases".
  472. [21:13:49] <DanC> and we're working on a "metadata in uris" finding; it might be more specific about this idiom.
  473. [21:14:02] <DanC> rather "don't make aliases without really good reasons"
  474. [21:15:09] <DanC> I think flock is done syncing with delicious. I guess that was sort of a reasonable amount of time to take. But the attempt to do it "in the background" pretty much failed.
  475. [21:15:51] * DanC is pretty darned impressed with flock
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  477. [21:16:09] <drewinthehead> is this a new release, DanC?
  478. [21:16:29] <DanC> Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.0.7) Gecko/20060915 Firefox/1.5.0.7 Flock/0.7.5.1
  479. [21:17:16] <DanC> Sep 15 http://www.flock.com/node/7313
  480. [21:18:04] <DanC> I had "back up delicious bookmarks" on my TODO list for a few months. Now it looks like flock will do it for me.
  481. [21:21:22] * DanC wants a drupal design that doesn't suck for his blog. http://dig.csail.mit.edu/breadcrumbs/blog/2
  482. [21:22:07] <DanC> my latest entry is "Wishing for XOXO microformat support in OmniOutliner" , fyi. Does anybody here have a nice XOXO editor?
  483. [21:22:15] <DanC> i.e. one that you use in real life?
  484. [21:22:23] <tantek> BBEdit ;)
  485. [21:22:54] <DanC> hmm... does it know how to skootch a whole bunch of items in/out a level?
  486. [21:23:27] <DanC> I use emacs+nxml-mode when I'm willing to look at <>s
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  488. [21:23:34] <jibot> danja is Danny Ayers, http://dannyayers.com
  489. [21:24:23] <tantek> DanC, actually, yes
  490. [21:24:29] <tantek> you select the whole bunch of items
  491. [21:24:50] <tantek> then you select Markup > Lists > Unordered List
  492. [21:24:59] <tantek> and it puts your whole selection inside a one item unordered list
  493. [21:25:08] <DanC> ok, that's "skootch in".
  494. [21:25:12] <DanC> how about "skootch out"?
  495. [21:25:32] <KevinMarks> Ecto does it for <ol> but not <dl>
  496. [21:26:43] <DanC> I maintain my GTD projects list using XOXO plus some of that css/js magic . But it's not direct-manipulation editing. I'm tempted to get out my XSLT hammer and do XOXO<->ooutline format
  497. [21:27:23] <DanC> but... hmm... my projects.html has hyperlinks in some of the item; I wonder if OmniOutliner would chew them up and throw them away.
  498. [21:27:33] <tantek> hmm... looks like there isn't a "remove" one chunk of tags command
  499. [21:27:52] <tantek> probably have to write a BBEdit plugin to do that
  500. [21:28:24] <KevinMarks> http://webkit.org/projects/editing/index.html maybe
  501. [21:28:37] * DanC realizes "maintain" is generous; haven't actually editied my gtd projects list but a handful of times.
  502. [21:29:35] <DanC> "Most importantly the WebKit editing engine is used to compose mail messages in Mail on Tiger." ooh! does that mean that I'll soon be able to make links while composing mail on a mac?
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  504. [21:32:49] <kingryan_> DanC: have you considered using markdown? that converts easily to xoxo
  505. [21:32:54] * kingryan_ is now known as kingryan
  506. [21:32:55] * ChanServ sets mode +o kingryan
  507. [21:34:02] <DanC> I like to use XHTML as the "truth" so that I can use direct manipulation tools, when they work, and fall back to a text editor when they don't.
  508. [21:34:42] <DanC> But sometimes I do use another syntax as "the truth"; I use ReStructuredText in my python code, and I use N3 for RDF.
  509. [21:34:47] <kingryan> I suppose that for me "direct manipulation" = text editor
  510. [21:35:02] <DanC> "direct manipulation" is sorta like wysywig.
  511. [21:35:20] * DanC re-reads what kingryan wrote
  512. [21:35:25] <kingryan> well, with text files (using something like markdown) WYSIWYG
  513. [21:35:41] <DanC> yes, that's true.
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  515. [21:36:06] <kingryan> anyway, if you're using GTD you should consider trying one of the gtd bundles with textmate
  516. [21:36:18] <kingryan> but now we're digressing
  517. [21:36:46] <DanC> I haven't taken the textmate plunge. I lead a cross-platform life, on purpose.
  518. [21:36:58] <DanC> and I'm an emacs addict.
  519. [21:40:21] <DanC> I'm only using GTD enough to be frustrated by it, really.
  520. [21:40:38] <DanC> the main platform I use it on is a sidekick, really.
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  522. [21:57:03] <hober> DanC: the GTD Emacs people I know all love Planner
  523. [21:57:24] <hober> http://www.plannerlove.com/
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  525. [22:02:34] <DanC> hober, nifty. But I'm not sure I want to strengthen my emacs addiction.
  526. [22:03:10] <DanC> "i spent most of this past weekend reading the elisp manual because planner.el is sucking me in"
  527. [22:03:19] <DanC> -- planner testamonials
  528. [22:05:15] <hober> :)
  529. [22:05:33] <hober> I think strengthening your Emacs addiction is a fantastic idea! :)
  530. [22:08:04] <DanC> ooh... hyperlinks from TODO list items. I like it. (the sidekick doesn't support that, though. :-/)
  531. [22:08:31] <mfbot> [[what-are-microformats]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=what-are-microformats&diff=0&oldid=8719 * AndyMabbett * (+855) Add Yours Here - My re-write of the current opening blurb
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  538. [22:41:55] <jibot> sreynen is Scott Reynen, who makes things at makedatamakesense.com
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  544. [23:37:11] <jibot> bkdelong is B.K. DeLong, Head Research Analyst for HALO Worldwide - http://www.haloworldwide.com. Web: http://www.brain-stream.com. Email: bkdelong@pobox.com and lives in Salem, MA, USA (-5:00 GMT)
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