IRC Log for #microformats on 2006-09-27

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  22. [02:46:31] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  24. [02:53:23] <mfbot> [[presentations]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=presentations&diff=0&oldid=9038 * Tantek * (+245) added New Context 2006
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  29. [03:56:34] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  37. [06:01:54] <boblet> hello all, I have a microformats timezone question I'd like to ask you
  38. [06:02:44] <boblet> does anyone know if "timezone" will eventually be implemented?
  39. [06:03:02] <tantek> greetings
  40. [06:03:24] <tantek> boblet, hcalendar has timezone offsets in datetimes
  41. [06:03:31] <Atamido> Today I went to use a chic-fil-a coupon I got for free, while I was driving around today recording GPS coordinates for work. I hadn't been planning on it, but I realized I had a coupon in my car. I went through the drivethrough, and I told them I had a coupon for a free chicken sandwich.
  42. [06:03:33] <Atamido> The guy took the coupon and waved me to the next window, where I got my chicken sandwich, which I then proceeded to eat and enjoy. When I got back to the office, I looked down and noticed a Wendy's bag. In my distracted state, I had gone to Wendy's, and used a Chic-fil-a coupon to get a free chicken sandwich.
  43. [06:04:01] <tantek> Atamido - that is hilarious
  44. [06:04:30] <tantek> boblet, it is unlikely that VTIMEZONE is every going to be implemented as a microformat - it is so incongruous with how people think about and publish information about times
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  46. [06:05:18] <boblet> hello Tantek - sorry for sounding clueless here
  47. [06:05:20] <Atamido> Could I get a sanity check on this? http://portal.beecavetexas.com/maps.php?method=details&cat=2&loc=2
  48. [06:05:25] <Atamido> hcard
  49. [06:06:10] <Atamido> Ignoring the rest of the page, which I did not design.
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  51. [06:06:33] <boblet> I've been reading through the wiki & list archives, and I'm not sure how to represent a 5-full day conference with a timezone offset. according to what I've read it should be like:
  52. [06:06:34] <Atamido> I'm really just interested in whether or not I used the class names and nesting correctly.
  53. [06:06:34] <boblet> <abbr class="dtstart" title="2006-10-29T00:00:00+09:00">Sunday, October 29th</abbr>
  54. [06:07:39] <boblet> but doing this through X2V gives me an .ics that apple's ical treats as a single event (doesn't automatically span 5 days)
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  56. [06:10:43] <boblet> I haven't checked any other calendar software, but it seems apple's ical wants dates (no times) plus X-WR-TIMEZONE:Japan
  57. [06:13:00] <boblet> it's on this page: http://oli-studio.com/tri-univ/2006/index.html
  58. [06:18:41] <boblet> hi Atamido. I'm no expert, but for what it's worth here's what i think
  59. [06:19:41] <boblet> i think class="fn org" automatically maps to "organization-name", so unless you're planning to add an "organization-unit" later you don't really need "organization-name"
  60. [06:21:04] <boblet> it'd be good to turn the h1 into a link with class="fn org url". if you specifically want to have the url on a separate line, I'd replace "homepage" with the actual url text "http://www.heb.com/"
  61. [06:22:03] <boblet> I think your tel declaration might be wrong - i think you need to declare a value
  62. [06:23:15] <boblet> I'd write <div class="tel"><span class="type" title="work voice">Phone</span>: <span class="value">512-263-0528</span></div>
  63. [06:23:49] <Atamido> For our users it has been best to state that a link is a link, so having a seperate line labeled "Homepage" is better for us.
  64. [06:24:32] <Atamido> I thought I needed "fn org" to specify that this is an organization and not an individual.
  65. [06:24:53] <boblet> yep
  66. [06:24:59] <Atamido> I think you're right about the phone though.
  67. [06:25:03] <Atamido> Hmmmm...
  68. [06:25:24] <boblet> what i meant was if you write class="fn org" you don't need class="organization-name"
  69. [06:25:39] <boblet> (although it's not gonna hurt)
  70. [06:26:28] <Atamido> Ah.
  71. [06:26:35] <boblet> you've got crazy div-itis going on too
  72. [06:27:11] <Atamido> Well, I was trying to isolate only data that should go into those fields, while presenting it nicely.
  73. [06:27:12] <boblet> you're missing a couple of closing divs (specifically <div class="address"><div>Address:<div> <div class="adr">)
  74. [06:27:33] <boblet> i think that you wanted <div>Address:</div>
  75. [06:27:49] <Atamido> Ah, right you are.
  76. [06:28:01] <boblet> if you're after something to wrap stuff in, i'd say this is a list of contact info, so you could use ul
  77. [06:28:26] <boblet> then each kind of contact info can get its own <li>
  78. [06:28:57] <Atamido> Well, you want the state and locality to be on the same line.
  79. [06:29:09] <Atamido> Or have the LI not appear at all if neither are present.
  80. [06:29:23] <boblet> if you have an address that spans multiple lines and you were completely semantically anal, you could mark that up in a paragraph in a li, with brs for linebreaks
  81. [06:29:27] <Atamido> Well, really the logic was a lot easier this way. :P
  82. [06:29:53] <boblet> actually, since you have "phone" and "address", a table would be even better (table of contact info)
  83. [06:29:57] <Atamido> It was late, and I was tired.
  84. [06:30:12] <boblet> sorry man - not trying to hassle you
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  86. [06:30:27] <boblet> like i said, I know nothing :-D
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  88. [06:30:35] <Atamido> I know, I'm just not that worried about divitis right now.
  89. [06:30:59] <Atamido> I would rather it be importable with a click in some future version of FF or IE more than anything else.
  90. [06:31:20] <boblet> if you'd like some code to c&p, here's a contact address that I did in a table:
  91. [06:31:22] <boblet> http://oli-studio.com/tri-univ/contact.html
  92. [06:31:39] <Atamido> Nah, I don't have the space for that.
  93. [06:31:41] <boblet> you can check it now in firefox using the tails plugin
  94. [06:31:57] <Atamido> I'm stuck in the confines of this crappy fixed-width design.
  95. [06:32:10] <boblet> hehe
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  98. [06:35:11] <boblet> I'd also recommend checking it with http://suda.co.uk/projects/X2V/ or http://technorati.com/contacts/
  99. [06:35:34] <boblet> seems like something's giving you grief
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  102. [06:36:43] <boblet> damn - you're in Tokyo Tantek? watcha doing over here?
  103. [06:37:32] <tantek> boblet, see most recent entry on http://microformats.org/wiki/presentations
  104. [06:37:35] <boblet> hope that helped Atamido
  105. [06:37:56] <boblet> CRAP!
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  107. [06:38:15] <boblet> i wish i'd spoken to you yesterday
  108. [06:38:28] <Atamido> Everything except the crap. :)
  109. [06:38:41] * Atamido wonders why tantek's connection is so crappy right now.
  110. [06:38:43] <boblet> heh, sorry
  111. [06:39:43] <boblet> oh man, i fully woulda jumped on the shink to see that :( you fully slipped under the radar
  112. [06:39:44] <tantek> something wanky with DNS temporarily - then I did a sleep/wake cycle and that seemed to fix it
  113. [06:40:54] <boblet> i'm in the process of redesigning a local university's english HP with heavy microformat usage, and I would have loved to actually meet some locals into this stuff
  114. [06:42:02] <boblet> (I'm down in Osaka btw)
  115. [06:44:00] <boblet> Tantek - who organised your speech? we never get web people over here,
  116. [06:44:58] <boblet> so i'm pretty surprised not only that you're in town, but that none of the japanese tech lists i'm on knew about it
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  118. [06:47:05] <jibot> mlinksva is Mike Linksvayer and from Creative Commons
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  122. [07:03:16] <boblet> registration until 25th sept! sigh. looks like i won't be coming to tokyo tonight
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  124. [07:12:21] <jibot> bengee is Benjamin Nowack (http://bnode.org/)
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  127. [07:41:18] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  133. [08:03:16] <jibot> trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and helps with www.multipack.co.uk
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  139. [08:47:26] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  141. [08:53:37] <boblet> hey Tantek - thanks a heap for the unintentional heads-up on New Context
  142. [08:54:08] <boblet> I managed to wrangle a ticket for tomorrow
  143. [08:58:16] <boblet> I hope you'll still be around!
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  146. [09:24:15] <jibot> drewinthehead is the author of hKit and a developer for Yahoo! Europe
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  152. [09:47:37] <jibot> briansuda is brian suda of http://suda.co.uk and is at (-0000 GMT) and is author of "Using Microformats" for O'Reilly [http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/microformats/]
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  160. [10:35:04] <keithalexander> How do you all mark up the name of the site?
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  162. [10:37:17] <jibot> drewinthehead is the author of hKit and a developer for Yahoo! Europe
  163. [10:37:29] <trovster> keithalexander: The <h1> ?
  164. [10:37:56] <keithalexander> I personally use the h1
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  166. [10:38:08] <trovster> http://www.sussexsportmc.co.uk/ have a gander on there
  167. [10:38:11] <keithalexander> But I was just listening to the boagworld podcast
  168. [10:38:50] <trovster> <div id="branding" class="author vcard"><h1><a href="/" title="" rel="home me" class="org fn url" accesskey="1">Name of Site</a></h1> </div>
  169. [10:38:51] <keithalexander> and he said that, at least for SEO reasons, you should use the h1 for the page title
  170. [10:39:10] <boblet> <head><title>name of site; name of page</title></head><body><h1>name of site for homepage/name of page for content page</h1>
  171. [10:39:10] <trovster> Heh, SEO-based markup. I don't tend to listen to that madness.
  172. [10:39:41] <keithalexander> me neither usually
  173. [10:40:03] <boblet> semantic markup, but that's about as mad as seo-based ;-)
  174. [10:40:03] <keithalexander> it just kind of annoyed me
  175. [10:40:04] <trovster> keithalexander: I have the title in the URL (usually), in the <title>, format Page | Section | Site Name, the <h1>Sitename (consistent on all pages. <h2>Section <h3>Page
  176. [10:41:15] <keithalexander> because, I mean, here you have a reknowned web standards advocate of meaningful markup and accessibility etc, and suddenly he's not even sure how you should use the h1 tag
  177. [10:42:46] <trovster> The lore of SEO :(
  178. [10:48:24] <drewinthehead> boag's a lovely guy, but sometimes what he says needs careful evaluation.
  179. [10:49:02] * drewinthehead has that podcast queued up for this evening's commute
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  181. [10:51:39] <trovster> drewinthehead: Like ALA :)
  182. [10:51:56] <keithalexander> well to be fair, I don't think he actually thought about it - and it's not something he's done
  183. [10:52:25] <keithalexander> he just said "apparently I should be doing this"
  184. [10:53:52] <keithalexander> I was just a bit shocked that he didn't even question it
  185. [10:55:11] <drewinthehead> trovster: well, like anything really :)
  186. [10:55:42] <drewinthehead> boag frequently has be screaming at my iPod, it has to be said.
  187. [10:55:50] <drewinthehead> (i've told him as much :))
  188. [10:56:15] <trovster> I don't listen to it
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  191. [11:10:44] <jibot> briansuda is brian suda of http://suda.co.uk and is at (-0000 GMT) and is author of "Using Microformats" for O'Reilly [http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/microformats/]
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  207. [12:27:41] <mfbot> [[hresume-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hresume-fr&diff=0&oldid=9039 * Izo * (+39) Exemples "dans la jungle" -
  208. [12:31:02] <mfbot> [[hcalendar]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar&diff=0&oldid=9040 * TraumaXP * (-439) I reviewed the actual file, and the characters are okay. It seems only my bloody calendar software doesn't get UTF-8 right. Sorry for the inconvenience.
  209. [12:32:13] <Whafro> tantek -- up early, eh?
  210. [12:33:08] <mfbot> [[hcalendar-fr]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar-fr&diff=0&oldid=9041 * TraumaXP * (-464) I reviewed the actual file, and the characters are okay. It seems only my bloody calendar software doesn't get UTF-8 right. Sorry for the inconvenience.
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  213. [12:41:07] <sreynen> i'm looking for one of those big impressive numbers, e.g. X million known hCards on the web. anyone know what X is today?
  214. [12:41:55] <briansuda> no way to know - Flickr has 4+, Yahoo Local,
  215. [12:42:15] <briansuda> technorati kitchen probably knows about most of them and the sources
  216. [12:45:04] <sreynen> ok
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  219. [12:48:08] * drewinthehead put some new hCards and hReviews onto UK Movies yesterday
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  227. [13:05:34] <Whafro> erm, by proposal, I really mean recommendation
  228. [13:06:10] <Whafro> it'd probably be several thousand events and several hundred hcards
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  230. [13:09:22] <blueNine> Wow
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  232. [13:19:08] <jibot> sreynen is Scott Reynen, who makes things at makedatamakesense.com
  233. [13:36:07] <boblet> hey Tantek, I bet you'll be busy tomorrow, but hopefully you might end up back at the conference and if so see you then
  234. [13:36:16] <boblet> later all
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  238. [13:39:36] <jibot> drewinthehead is the author of hKit and a developer for Yahoo! Europe
  239. [13:40:13] <briansuda> tonight is the MF vEvent
  240. [13:40:50] <briansuda> no, a few more days...
  241. [13:41:06] <briansuda> NeoOffice
  242. [13:41:14] <briansuda> http://upcoming.org/event/100107/ (wrong paste)
  243. [13:42:04] <briansuda> anyone have any thoughts about getting MF swag made? stickers in particular?
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  248. [14:51:44] <jibot> cgriego is Chris Griego (-06:00) and a front-end architect with rd2inc.com
  249. [14:52:34] <mfbot> [[species-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=9042 * SXBRC * (+839)
  250. [14:53:15] <mfbot> [[species-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=9043 * SXBRC * (+6) Examples -
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  257. [15:03:13] <mfbot> [[species-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=9046 * SXBRC * (+4) Examples -
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  269. [16:08:46] <mfbot> [[species-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=9047 * AndyMabbett * (+7) Straw man proposal - add GUID
  270. [16:11:52] <mfbot> [[species-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=9048 * AndyMabbett * (+69) Straw man proposal - Gender: neuter, hermaphroradite
  271. [16:22:19] <mfbot> [[species-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-examples&diff=0&oldid=9049 * AndyMabbett * (+197) Misc - GUID
  272. [16:23:45] <mfbot> [[species-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=9050 * AndyMabbett * (+4) Examples - sub-heading
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  286. [17:14:38] <jibot> briansuda is brian suda of http://suda.co.uk and is at (-0000 GMT) and is author of "Using Microformats" for O'Reilly [http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/microformats/]
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  300. [18:10:19] <mfbot> [[species-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-examples&diff=0&oldid=9051 * AndyMabbett * (+281) And finally...
  301. [18:14:30] <mfbot> [[species-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-examples&diff=0&oldid=9052 * AndyMabbett * (+15) Form (plant) - fmt
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  303. [18:15:56] <mfbot> [[species-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-examples&diff=0&oldid=9053 * AndyMabbett * (+21) Species Examples - clarify links
  304. [18:16:27] <mfbot> [[species-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-examples&diff=0&oldid=9054 * AndyMabbett * (+18) Authority - clarify
  305. [18:20:58] <mfbot> [[events/2006-09-30-barcampmilwaukee]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2006-09-30-barcampmilwaukee&diff=0&oldid=9055 * Raster * (+47) Attending - added my name...
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  311. [18:57:26] <jibot> Phae is Frances Berriman of http://www.fberriman.com/
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  313. [19:03:31] <mfbot> [[introduction]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=introduction&diff=0&oldid=9056 * AndyMabbett * (+122) Plain-language introduction.
  314. [19:06:32] <mfbot> [[introduction]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=introduction&diff=0&oldid=9057 * AndyMabbett * (+106) What are Microformats? - common class-names; open satdnards
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  320. [19:35:34] <jibot> kensanata is blogging at http://www.emacswiki.org/alex/
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  324. [19:57:26] <KevinMarks> .whereis cameo2
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  326. [19:57:29] <jibot> drewinthehead is the author of hKit and a developer for Yahoo! Europe
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  330. [20:07:18] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  338. [20:48:01] <jibot> BenWard is Ben Ward of http://ben-ward.co.uk (+0000/+0100 GMT)
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  347. [21:20:34] <mfbot> [[hlisting-proposal]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hlisting-proposal&diff=0&oldid=9060 * AndyMabbett * (+38) Field Details - currency
  348. [21:21:40] <mfbot> [[rel-tag]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rel-tag&diff=0&oldid=9061 * Dburkes * (+77) Implementations -
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  352. [21:48:13] <mfbot> [[species-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-examples&diff=0&oldid=9063 * AndyMabbett * (+6) Wikipedia - oops!
  353. [21:48:59] <mfbot> [[species-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-examples&diff=0&oldid=9064 * AndyMabbett * (+41) Quantitative evidence - link
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  355. [21:49:56] <mfbot> [[species-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-examples&diff=0&oldid=9066 * AndyMabbett * (+11) Wikipedia - tweak
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  359. [22:12:26] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  378. [23:40:56] <mikeal> i have some hcalendar questions
  379. [23:41:06] * bear is now known as bear_afk
  380. [23:42:15] <hober> mikeal: fire away!
  381. [23:42:45] <mikeal> so the only example you have with a VTIMEZONE convertion is marked as @TODO
  382. [23:42:52] <mikeal> and I kind of need to know the answer to that
  383. [23:43:20] <mikeal> i would be perfectly happy with you simply requiring UTC, but that needs to be explicit
  384. [23:43:47] <tantek> mikeal - I think VTIMEZONE will be explicitly dropped from hCalendar
  385. [23:43:52] <tantek> as it doesn't model what people actually publish
  386. [23:44:10] <tantek> we don't need to require *just* UTC. We allow UTC or a fixed offset in *hCalendar*
  387. [23:44:11] <mikeal> huh?
  388. [23:44:21] <tantek> VTIMEZONE is a HORRIBLE abstraction/complexity
  389. [23:44:23] <mikeal> what is the fixed offset?
  390. [23:44:35] <tantek> e.g. +0900
  391. [23:44:40] <tantek> (I'm in Tokyo right now :) )
  392. [23:44:40] <mikeal> there is no timezone definition period in the example
  393. [23:45:21] <hober> mikeal: I see lots of Zs in there
  394. [23:45:56] <hober> The point is, if people publish time zone information at all, it's with the dt{start,end}
  395. [23:46:15] <hober> You need to put your offset there anyway, so you're good to go!
  396. [23:47:39] <mikeal> timezone and daylight issues are more complex than that
  397. [23:47:47] <mikeal> i agree that VTIMEZONE isn't the best solution
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  400. [23:49:31] <mikeal> for instance Z is +2h in Zaire Kasai
  401. [23:49:52] <mikeal> but Z is +1 in Zaire Kinshasa Mbandaka
  402. [23:50:21] <mikeal> i can't reliably convert that to UTC
  403. [23:53:57] <KevinMarks> how can it reliably be used as a calendar then?
  404. [23:54:46] <KevinMarks> using +0100 and +0200 is clearer than using a local TZ name that changes on unknown dates
  405. [23:56:02] <mikeal> the main issue with A-Z is that there is no differences less than 1 hour
  406. [23:56:09] <mikeal> some local timezones do do that
  407. [23:56:23] <mikeal> also all A-Z definitions don't account for daylight
  408. [23:56:40] <mikeal> so this is all fine when you are reading for a definition and displaying to a local time
  409. [23:56:59] <mikeal> but if you are describing an odd local time that you need someone else to be able to localize you need something more complex
  410. [23:57:23] <mikeal> you "could" just define the TZID and require that it match a tzid in the olson database
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  412. [23:57:47] <mikeal> for reference here is A-Z definitinos
  413. [23:57:47] <mikeal> http://wwp.greenwichmeantime.com/info/timezone.htm
  414. [23:58:08] <mikeal> here is the olson db
  415. [23:58:09] <mikeal> http://www.twinsun.com/tz/tz-link.htm
  416. [23:59:48] <mikeal> if you want to keep things simple requiring, someone to describe the offsets is definitely too large

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