IRC Log for #microformats on 2006-10-21

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  6. [00:55:32] <mfbot> [[Advocacy]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Advocacy&diff=0&oldid=9639 * Tantek * (+1465) expanded upon Mike's intro, added sections for adding micformats, comparisons
  7. [00:56:18] <mfbot> [[advocacy]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=advocacy&diff=0&oldid=9640 * Tantek * (+2535) moved to here
  8. [00:56:39] <mfbot> [[Advocacy]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Advocacy&diff=0&oldid=9641 * Tantek * (-2536) moved to [[advocacy]] (lowercase)
  9. [01:00:05] <mfbot> [[to-do]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=to-do&diff=0&oldid=9642 * Tantek * (-105) moved add microformats to advocacy
  10. [01:01:26] <mfbot> [[Main Page]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=9643 * Tantek * (+58) added help out links to to-do and advocacy
  11. [01:03:14] * tantek is done editing advocacy for now - have at it!
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  16. [01:57:52] <emiliano> Hi.. anybody awake?
  17. [02:05:34] <mfbot> [[User:MichalWithoutTheE]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/User:MichalWithoutTheE * MichalWithoutTheE * (+61)
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  19. [02:11:31] <emiliano> ?def emiliano is Emiliano Martinez Luque and can be found online at http://www.metonymie.com
  20. [02:11:31] <jibot> emiliano is Emiliano Martinez Luque and can be found online at http://www.metonymie.com
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  22. [02:17:41] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  32. [03:41:27] <jibot> csarven is Sarven Capadisli and can be found online at http://www.csarven.ca
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  35. [04:08:39] <mfbot> [[hresume-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hresume-issues&diff=0&oldid=9644 * Steve Ganz * (+638) Issues - Adding contact info classification issue
  36. [04:12:10] <mfbot> [[licensing-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=licensing-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=9645 * Mike Linksvayer * (+145) Discussion - parent work reference
  37. [04:19:10] <Ashley`> In relation to IRC on the wiki, I'm thinking the text "Join the mailing lists and irc channel" on the main page should be changed to either link to an IRC wiki page, or an irc:// link.
  38. [04:19:39] <Ashley`> Thoughts?
  39. [04:20:21] <mfbot> [[hresume-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hresume-issues&diff=0&oldid=9646 * Steve Ganz * (+2) Issues -
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  42. [04:48:08] <mfbot> [[hresume-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hresume-issues&diff=0&oldid=9647 * Steve Ganz * (+221) Issues - Defined additional need for hCard types in hResume.
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  45. [05:04:54] <Frederic> morning
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  63. [05:40:20] <mfbot> [[Main Page]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=9648 * Ashley * (+8) How to contribute - Added link to irc page
  64. [05:49:27] <mfbot> [[irc]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=irc&diff=0&oldid=9649 * Ashley * (+719) Added "IRC Clients" section
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  101. [10:21:43] <jibot> trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and helps with www.multipack.co.uk
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  104. [10:28:46] <mcknut> Hi
  105. [10:32:45] <mcknut> just playing around with tails, after seeing it mentioned at the WSG night in London on Thursday, what I'm seeing doesn't look like the screenshots they had so I'm wondering if I'm on the latest version, the latest one I could find was 0.3.1
  106. [10:40:53] <mcknut> also, am I right in thinking that there's no version that works in OS X and allows you to export correctly?
  107. [10:48:52] <trovster> http://blog.codeeg.com/tails-firefox-extension-03/ 0.3.4 is the latest
  108. [10:50:16] <mcknut> ooh, ta
  109. [10:50:17] <trovster> There is 'tails export' but not sure whether that is as up to date as tails... could have been built on the pre 0.3 version
  110. [10:50:45] <mcknut> ah, right, yeah I've been using 'tails export'
  111. [10:52:31] <trovster> The tails I posted, doesn't have export...
  112. [10:52:52] <trovster> And, isn't perfect either... clicking on the more info, loses the image it had in the preview mode, which is wierd
  113. [10:54:33] <mcknut> hmm.. interesting
  114. [10:54:45] <mcknut> I was hacking tails export to have mac support, which now works
  115. [10:56:26] <mcknut> will have to check out tails to decide what I should do
  116. [10:56:56] <jibot> Elzy[D is aka elzriel; elzriel is Yo-ho.
  117. [10:58:13] <trovster> I use tails fine on my mac here, infact, it's just updated to 0.3.4
  118. [10:58:29] <mcknut> does it export to addressbook?
  119. [11:03:10] <trovster> Nope
  120. [11:04:42] <mcknut> ok, mine does, but I definitely need to get a hold of tails itself and try it out
  121. [11:05:56] <trovster> yeh, coz you've got tails export!
  122. [11:06:06] <trovster> Which, like you said, looks nothing like tails
  123. [11:06:22] <trovster> I had tails export on my PC, and rarely, if ever, exported from it
  124. [11:06:34] <mcknut> heh
  125. [11:06:49] <mcknut> I'm so behind the times
  126. [11:07:02] <trovster> I just use Tails to check the uF I am using are correct (ish)
  127. [11:08:49] <mcknut> sorry to keep asking questions without actually installing the thing, but I don't want to break one with the other, but what usefulness does tails provide if it has no export function? (don't mean that to sound derisive, genuine question)
  128. [11:10:49] <trovster> Like I mentioned, depends what you want from it. I /never/ actually exported contact from it. And it's not (or wasn't) as feature complete or parsing complete as plain old Tails. Tails (IMO) has a nicer interface and experience to find and check uF.
  129. [11:11:03] <trovster> I really just use it to check my pages, to see it's all working.
  130. [11:11:18] <trovster> Neither are perfect
  131. [11:11:31] <mcknut> sorry, that's what I mean though, if you're using standard tails, what do you do once you've found the microformats?
  132. [11:12:37] <trovster> I'm not 'finding' them, because I'm building them.... and I go 'yey it's working'
  133. [11:13:08] <mcknut> :) fair enough
  134. [11:13:16] * mcknut does the happy dance
  135. [11:13:43] <mcknut> finally got my "new feature" working, tidy the code a bit and I'll go blog it
  136. [11:14:49] <trovster> You might be interested in other 'lint' tools
  137. [11:16:46] <mcknut> btw, were you at the WSG night on Thursday?
  138. [11:17:09] <trovster> Nope, I wasn't. I was at the first WSG, but it's too far for me to travel for one evening
  139. [11:17:27] <mcknut> ah right, shame, where are you?
  140. [11:17:43] <trovster> I'm in the Midlands, just north of Birmingham
  141. [11:17:59] <mcknut> ah, yeah, fair enough
  142. [11:18:00] <trovster> Actually, I'm presently just south of Birmingham, but I work north of Birmingham
  143. [11:18:23] <trovster> + talking with drew, I don't think I would have got much out of it, coz I know a lot of the tools and stuff
  144. [11:18:28] <trovster> Being in this channel helps a fair bit
  145. [11:18:35] <mcknut> I'm actually in Liverpool but I work for a company in London so generally have an excuse to go down there
  146. [11:19:06] <mcknut> yeah, i wasn't sure what I'd get out of it, having seen a few talks elsewhere, but I've not really got into microformats in a big way yet so it was still really interesting
  147. [11:19:31] <trovster> http://tools.microformatic.com/help/xhtml/rel-lint/
  148. [11:19:54] <trovster> http://leftlogic.com/info/articles/microformats_bookmarklet might be good too
  149. [11:20:36] <mcknut> thanks
  150. [11:24:18] <trovster> http://del.icio.us/trovster/microformats?setcount=25 :)
  151. [11:33:46] <gsnedders> isn't there any page on the Wiki simply about the purpose of µf?
  152. [11:43:43] <trovster> http://microformats.org/about/ that?
  153. [12:20:59] <mcknut> hmm.. GMT/BST dates on upcoming.org are being reported as PST(I think), that's unfortunate
  154. [12:31:40] <mfbot> [[events/2006-10-19-wsg-microformats-meetup]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2006-10-19-wsg-microformats-meetup&diff=0&oldid=9650 * Adactio * (+88) Blog Posts -
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  157. [13:03:43] <mfbot> [[Main Page]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=9652 * AndyMabbett * (-30) rm duplicate and move "advocay" from "grtting started" to "how to contribute"; make list
  158. [13:07:34] <mfbot> [[irc]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=irc&diff=0&oldid=9653 * AndyMabbett * (-2786) People on irc - moving oong list to sub-page
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  169. [13:46:35] <mfbot> [[species-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-examples&diff=0&oldid=9662 * AndyMabbett * (+256) Notable websites - Nature Network, Boston
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  181. [14:28:30] <jibot> briansuda is brian suda of http://suda.co.uk and is at (-0000 GMT) and is author of "Using Microformats" for O'Reilly [http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/microformats/]
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  183. [15:09:25] <tommorris> Hey all - got a new microformat suggestion. "hPorn" - semantic markup to help users easily find pr0n!
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  185. [15:10:46] <tommorris> Technology gets bootstrapped by porn - so why not encourage pornographers to use microformats on their websites?
  186. [15:29:52] <mfbot> [[hcalendar-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar-issues&diff=0&oldid=9668 * AndyMabbett * (+293) Issues - URL of same page
  187. [15:30:43] <mfbot> [[hcard-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-issues&diff=0&oldid=9669 * AndyMabbett * (+273) Issues - URL of same page
  188. [15:42:42] <trovster> rel directory and rel prev/next :) heh
  189. [15:45:14] <tommorris> I've found another area where microformats may be useful - in marking up chemical processes. A family member runs a darkroom - and it would be neat if one could extract details of the chemicals and timings that people are using for, say, photographic development.
  190. [16:34:36] <mfbot> [[events/2006-10-19-wsg-microformats-meetup]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2006-10-19-wsg-microformats-meetup&diff=0&oldid=9670 * Adactio * (+122) Presentations -
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  194. [16:55:08] <mfbot> [[species-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=9671 * AndyMabbett * (+159) Typography - response to old Q
  195. [16:55:54] <mfbot> [[species-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=9672 * AndyMabbett * (+58) Typography - fix, sign, my last
  196. [16:56:24] <mfbot> [[species-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=9673 * AndyMabbett * (+18) Typography - add uF !
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  207. [17:43:02] <mfbot> [[species-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-examples&diff=0&oldid=9674 * AndyMabbett * (+76) Notable websites - Flickr Field Guide: Birds of the World
  208. [17:44:23] <mfbot> [[species-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-examples&diff=0&oldid=9675 * AndyMabbett * (+39) Notable websites - another 2twenty-three thousand examples
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  212. [17:53:34] <mfbot> [[advocacy]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=advocacy&diff=0&oldid=9676 * AndyMabbett * (+274) television listings
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  220. [18:45:26] <bewes1> am I correct that size was not a consideration to choosing "geo"?
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  228. [19:37:18] <jibot> drewinthehead is the author of hKit and a developer for Yahoo! Europe
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  233. [19:44:44] <tantek> tommorris, to identify content by topic (e.g. pr0n), use rel-tag
  234. [19:46:10] <tantek> and "details of the chemicals and timings that people are using for" sounds like a "recipe". Feel free to add URLs to real world examples of what you are talking about to the "recipes-examples" wiki page.
  235. [19:48:54] <mfbot> [[advocacy]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=advocacy&diff=0&oldid=9677 * Tantek * (+0) typo
  236. [20:02:40] <mfbot> [[advocacy]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=advocacy&diff=0&oldid=9678 * Tantek * (+450) moved Television suggestion to hCalendar section, created new Applications section for Firefox
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  238. [20:51:48] <jibot> kensanata is blogging at http://www.emacswiki.org/alex/
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  242. [21:19:13] <mfbot> [[species-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-examples&diff=0&oldid=9679 * CharlesRoper * (+154) GUID -
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  245. [21:30:21] <mfbot> [[cheatsheet]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/cheatsheet * AndyMabbett * (+133) Couldn't find this anywhere on the 'wiki'
  246. [21:31:22] <mfbot> [[cheatsheet]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=cheatsheet&diff=0&oldid=9681 * AndyMabbett * (-109) redirect
  247. [21:32:08] <mfbot> [[cheatsheet]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=cheatsheet&diff=0&oldid=9682 * AndyMabbett * (+108) oops
  248. [21:32:19] <mfbot> [[cheat-sheet]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/cheat-sheet * AndyMabbett * (+24) #REDIRECT:[[cheatsheet]]
  249. [21:32:40] <mfbot> [[cheat]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/cheat * AndyMabbett * (+24) #REDIRECT:[[cheatsheet]]
  250. [21:34:21] <mfbot> [[properties]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/properties * AndyMabbett * (+30) #REDIRECT:[[existing-classes]]
  251. [21:34:37] <mfbot> [[classes]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/classes * AndyMabbett * (+30) #REDIRECT:[[existing-classes]]
  252. [21:35:03] <mfbot> [[class]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/class * AndyMabbett * (+30) #REDIRECT:[[existing-classes]]
  253. [21:35:19] <mfbot> [[property]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/property * AndyMabbett * (+30) #REDIRECT:[[existing-classes]]
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  259. [22:27:07] <jibot> pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
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  261. [22:39:17] <mfbot> [[to-do]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=to-do&diff=0&oldid=9683 * Tantek * (+593) added some process to-dos
  262. [22:58:18] <bewes1> anyone interested in the species stuff around?
  263. [22:59:53] <mfbot> [[events/2006-10-19-wsg-microformats-meetup]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2006-10-19-wsg-microformats-meetup&diff=0&oldid=9684 * Adactio * (+88) Blog Posts -
  264. [23:01:09] <mfbot> [[mailing-lists]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=mailing-lists&diff=0&oldid=9685 * Ben Ward * (+295) new list proposal: Added votes for Ben Ward -
  265. [23:05:06] <mfbot> [[mailing-lists]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=mailing-lists&diff=0&oldid=9686 * Tantek * (+262) we need a new list for new microformats
  266. [23:05:37] <mfbot> [[events/2006-10-19-wsg-microformats-meetup]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2006-10-19-wsg-microformats-meetup&diff=0&oldid=9687 * Adactio * (+434) WSG Meetup: Microformats -
  267. [23:05:39] <bewes1> gah
  268. [23:05:47] <bewes1> hmmm
  269. [23:05:53] <bewes1> tantek: you edited while I was editing :-(
  270. [23:06:26] <bewes1> tantek: I was just about to add microformats-work to the suggested list
  271. [23:06:45] <bewes1> for, you know... working on microformats, regardless of what state they are in
  272. [23:06:48] <mfbot> [[events/2006-10-19-wsg-microformats-meetup]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2006-10-19-wsg-microformats-meetup&diff=0&oldid=9688 * Adactio * (+1) Audio -
  273. [23:07:00] * bewes1 tries to figure out how to merge
  274. [23:07:29] <tantek> bewes1, my change was a simple insertion of a continuous block of text, you should be able to merge that into your version
  275. [23:07:39] <bewes1> yeah... working o nit
  276. [23:09:39] <mfbot> [[mailing-lists]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=mailing-lists&diff=0&oldid=9689 * BenWest * (+287) changed my vote away from "nothing"; added microformats-work as a suggestion for the purpose of working on microformats new and old.
  277. [23:09:46] * bewes1 figured it out
  278. [23:10:45] <bewes1> most list suggestions are biased towards /new/ microformats whereas the process is biased against newness.
  279. [23:12:26] <bewes1> also, I thought it was our intent to collect failed proposals of microformats and why
  280. [23:12:46] <bewes1> so work seems generally more apropriate, because it is agnostic of stage and timeline
  281. [23:13:08] <bewes1> and is more descriptive of the actions put before the list
  282. [23:13:41] <bewes1> speaking of which...
  283. [23:14:10] <bewes1> tantek: I thought the point of collecting examples was so to discover publishing conventions already in place
  284. [23:14:27] <bewes1> tantek: and that the conventions already in place would greatly inform the resulting format
  285. [23:15:40] <bewes1> eg the question of "how is this data being published?" is more important than "is this kind of data being published?"
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  290. [23:47:02] <tantek> bewes1: both questions are important
  291. [23:47:35] <tantek> the is it being published is a good first question, in particular, is it being published in any sort of reasonable mass-audience quantity?
  292. [23:47:49] <tantek> if not, then no microformat, just go experiment with your own semantic class names
  293. [23:47:55] <bewes1> to determine if the "how" question is worth pursuing
  294. [23:48:21] <tantek> if so, then documenting *what* in particular is being published implies a schema which is one of the essential components of a format
  295. [23:48:21] <bewes1> obviously you can't pursue "how" if there are no instances to investigate
  296. [23:48:28] <bewes1> ok right
  297. [23:48:30] <tantek> or not enough
  298. [23:48:44] <bewes1> so the results of finding examples should imply the schema
  299. [23:48:51] <mfbot> [[mailing-lists]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=mailing-lists&diff=0&oldid=9690 * Tantek * (+0) move nothing choice to end
  300. [23:48:56] <tantek> bewes1, it can
  301. [23:48:58] <tantek> but doesn't have to
  302. [23:49:06] <bewes1> hmmm
  303. [23:49:11] <tantek> in that, one set of folks can find sufficient examples to justify further work
  304. [23:49:21] <tantek> another set of folks can analyze those examples for implied schema
  305. [23:49:41] <bewes1> hmmm that's interesting
  306. [23:49:47] <tantek> see http://microformats.org/wiki/examples BTW for more reading on this
  307. [23:51:05] <bewes1> the cite-examples page is wonderful... it addresses behaviour and lets the behaviour inform the schema
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  309. [23:53:44] <bewes1> http://microformats.org/wiki/examples doesn't indicate that the examples should be explained in the behavour of those examples in the way the cite-examples actually explains it
  310. [23:56:15] <bewes1> also, that pages lists blog-post-examples as a good example of example pages
  311. [23:56:30] <bewes1> but cite-examples seems much better
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