IRC Log for #microformats on 2006-10-20

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  4. [00:21:01] <jibot> remi is Remi Prevost, a web developper (yeah, that's how we spell "developer" in french) from Quebec and blogs about web stuff at <http://remiprevost.com/>
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  19. [01:16:45] <jibot> edsu is Ed Summers from the Library of Congress <http://www.inkdroid.org>
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  24. [01:34:12] <jibot> csarven is Sarven Capadisli and can be found online at http://www.csarven.ca
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  35. [02:08:20] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  46. [04:08:30] <mfbot> [[rel-tag-fr]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rel-tag-fr&diff=0&oldid=9623 * ChristopheDucamp * (+98) Implémentations - ajout lingr
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  57. [05:11:32] <Frederic> morning
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  59. [05:17:15] <jibot> mlinksva is Mike Linksvayer and from Creative Commons
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  65. [06:41:09] <jibot> csarven is Sarven Capadisli and can be found online at http://www.csarven.ca
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  69. [06:47:47] <jkridner> Does anyone here create software test logs in XHTML with microformats? I think the microformats for the IRC logs would be useful, but there is quite a bit of other/different metainformation that would go into a software log, such as the error/severity level, source filename and line number, etc. Is there existing work I can borrow from? I don't see anything like that on the wiki.
  70. [06:49:15] <tommorris> That would be cool.
  71. [06:52:47] <mfbot> [[irc]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=irc&diff=0&oldid=9625 * JasonK * (+42) People on irc -
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  73. [06:55:17] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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  76. [07:02:40] <jkridner> Maybe someone can guide me to the best way to start a wiki entry that would cover a microformatted log. I can see some issues with XHTML logs, given that they don't always have clean closing tags, but I think that can generally be cleaned up simply enough after-the-fact.
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  78. [07:24:17] <jibot> bengee is Benjamin Nowack (http://bnode.org/)
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  83. [07:55:25] <mfbot> [[User:AndyMabbett]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User:AndyMabbett&diff=0&oldid=9626 * AndyMabbett * (-3612)
  84. [07:55:42] <mfbot> [[User:AndyMabbett]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User:AndyMabbett&diff=0&oldid=9627 * AndyMabbett * (+0)
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  86. [08:03:17] <jibot> trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and helps with www.multipack.co.uk
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  88. [08:18:03] <jibot> drewinthehead is the author of hKit and a developer for Yahoo! Europe
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  90. [08:22:26] <jibot> BenWard is Ben Ward of http://ben-ward.co.uk (+0000/+0100 GMT)
  91. [08:24:51] <drewinthehead> mornin' ben
  92. [08:25:15] <drewinthehead> greetings all
  93. [08:28:00] <trovster> How'd it go?
  94. [08:29:02] <drewinthehead> good thanks
  95. [08:29:13] <drewinthehead> the whole event ran nicely
  96. [08:31:31] <trovster> 'Drew�s presentation used some gorgeous photos' got it online ;)
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  98. [08:31:49] <Whiskey_M> 'lo :)
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  100. [08:32:21] <drewinthehead> morning Whiskey_M
  101. [08:32:36] <Whiskey_M> how you feeling this morning Drew?
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  103. [08:35:43] <drewinthehead> tired :)
  104. [08:36:12] <Whiskey_M> ditto - finally managed to get back for about 1am - today had better be a quiet day!
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  106. [08:36:27] <jibot> McNulty is Ciaran McNulty (http://ciaranmcnulty.com)
  107. [08:36:34] <McNulty> morning
  108. [08:36:54] <Whiskey_M> morning McNulty
  109. [08:37:51] <drewinthehead> got home at about 12.30, went straight to bed and got up at 6 :/
  110. [08:37:55] <drewinthehead> morning McNulty
  111. [08:38:12] <McNulty> ah drew, so how did it go?
  112. [08:38:29] <drewinthehead> yeah, just saying, i think the whole event was really good
  113. [08:38:40] <trovster> How many turned up in the end?
  114. [08:38:55] <drewinthehead> stuart managed to record the audio, so that should be available soon hopefully
  115. [08:39:04] <drewinthehead> not sure trovster - probably about 100
  116. [08:39:12] <McNulty> wow
  117. [08:39:15] <Whiskey_M> it was good, numbers were down on advertised, but if anyone hadn't or wasn't using Microformats before the talk they will have done their first one by close of play today
  118. [08:42:49] <McNulty> aces
  119. [08:42:56] <McNulty> The slides anywhere?
  120. [08:43:24] <drewinthehead> jeremy's are .. let me find the turl
  121. [08:43:27] <drewinthehead> url :)
  122. [08:44:18] <drewinthehead> oh, no, they're not :)
  123. [08:44:46] <drewinthehead> i think we all had slides that are pretty useless on their own
  124. [08:46:03] <tantek> good morning
  125. [08:46:22] <McNulty> they're probably the best kind of slides, for a talk
  126. [08:46:33] <tantek> I like slides with links
  127. [08:46:52] <McNulty> I think there should be three sets of 'slides'
  128. [08:46:58] <McNulty> 1) your notes that you're holding
  129. [08:47:06] <McNulty> 2) the slides that go while you're talking
  130. [08:47:16] <McNulty> 3) the set of slides you publish / let people take away
  131. [08:47:22] <McNulty> Mind you I don't present much, so... ;-)
  132. [08:50:42] <drewinthehead> i think my presentation is going to be an article for sitepoint, once I've written it up
  133. [08:50:56] <drewinthehead> morning tantek
  134. [08:53:07] <tantek> hi drew
  135. [08:53:23] <tantek> just picked up a copy of the webdesign magazine with rachel's article in it - very nice!
  136. [08:53:50] <drewinthehead> excellent! the one with the dodgy 'css microformats' headline
  137. [08:54:43] <tantek> yes that one
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  140. [08:59:52] <jibot> danja is Danny Ayers, http://dannyayers.com
  141. [09:01:31] <drewinthehead> my presentation: http://allinthehead.com/presentations/2006/mf-website-api.pdf
  142. [09:03:39] <tantek> ewwww - pdf
  143. [09:03:59] <tantek> ;)
  144. [09:04:03] <McNulty> nice monkey
  145. [09:04:07] <McNulty> er... ape
  146. [09:05:22] <McNulty> I see what you mean about it needing the audio
  147. [09:07:32] <trovster> haha, did you add the pinky & brain slide after my quote yesterday ;)
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  152. [09:26:46] <drewinthehead> yeah, sorry, pdf :)
  153. [09:27:11] <drewinthehead> yes, an ape McNulty .... with an apey eye.
  154. [09:27:37] <drewinthehead> biab
  155. [09:28:10] <McNulty> oh lord
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  161. [10:06:26] <mfbot> [[irc]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=irc&diff=0&oldid=9628 * Kapowaz * (+41) People on irc -
  162. [10:06:57] <kapowaz> ooh, clever.
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  164. [10:08:30] <McNulty> hm, good idea
  165. [10:08:42] <mfbot> [[User:Kapowaz]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/User:Kapowaz * Kapowaz * (+133)
  166. [10:09:43] <mfbot> [[irc]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=irc&diff=0&oldid=9629 * CiaranMc * (+42) People on irc -
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  168. [10:11:39] <jibot> boneill is Ben O'Neill, a 3rd year Software Engineering student - http://www.benedictoneill.com/
  169. [10:12:01] <BenWard> ’morning Ben
  170. [10:12:18] <boneill> morning Ben :)
  171. [10:12:21] <boneill> how's Brum?
  172. [10:12:39] <BenWard> Remarkably sunny actually… clear blue sky out my window
  173. [10:12:47] <kapowaz> morning Ben
  174. [10:12:49] <kapowaz> morning Ben
  175. [10:12:52] <kapowaz> how many Bens here?
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  177. [10:13:28] <boneill> we are many
  178. [10:14:03] <kapowaz> Ben (of the Ward variety); did you see the ol' pacman t-shirt yet?
  179. [10:14:38] <BenWard> kapowaz: I did. Oh, blast, I didn't reply to your email after all :(*
  180. [10:14:50] <kapowaz> heh, no worries.
  181. [10:15:07] <kapowaz> anyway, screw Namco. they're on the streets now.
  182. [10:15:25] <kapowaz> possibly destined to be come ultra-limited editions should their attack hounds/laywers get wind of it
  183. [10:15:33] <BenWard> Was literally just looking at the mail to let you know when I'm going to buy one and noticed the absence of the little ‘Replied To’ arrow… perplexing because I swear I replied. Gah
  184. [10:16:22] <BenWard> Basically we want to get some tees done for work (and probably some coffee mugs too), and since Spreadshirt has a unified check-out, I'll stick a Feed Me in with them :)
  185. [10:16:33] <BenWard> Did Norm! order his?
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  187. [10:16:55] <jibot> danja is Danny Ayers, http://dannyayers.com
  188. [10:19:14] <kapowaz> yes
  189. [10:19:20] <kapowaz> his arrived yesterday
  190. [10:19:52] <kapowaz> I'm wondering if I should stick the design on a coffee mug too.
  191. [10:19:59] <kapowaz> but then they probably don't do mugs in black
  192. [10:24:01] <kapowaz> just added an apron
  193. [10:24:07] <kapowaz> maybe that'll be popular too.
  194. [10:26:31] <BenWard> I think their mugs are only white
  195. [10:26:38] <BenWard> (bitmap printing only)
  196. [10:26:52] <BenWard> Might be worth looking further afield for mug printers…
  197. [10:28:33] <kapowaz> aye
  198. [10:28:43] <kapowaz> I want to find a better quality printer for t-shirts anyway
  199. [10:28:53] <kapowaz> spreadshirt is nice and easy but they limit a lot of the options
  200. [10:29:26] <kapowaz> I made some other designs for my gaming clan (http://helljumpers.spreadshirt.net/) and I had to cut back on the designs because of spreadshirt's limitations on colours
  201. [10:29:58] <BenWard> The vector printing is limited to being flat colours certainly. The quality of what you get is very good though, unfortunately they have a set-up charge for the top-end printing (multicoloured, on any colour, colour blending and so on)
  202. [10:30:00] <kapowaz> they do printing on american apparel t-shirts but they only offer a tiny subset of the colour range AA do, so the designs had to go on 'closest match', which aren't that close at all.
  203. [10:30:09] <BenWard> Ahhh
  204. [10:30:19] <BenWard> There is that I guess, yeah
  205. [10:30:22] <kapowaz> ever heard of Day of Defeat? the WW2 game?
  206. [10:30:46] <kapowaz> I did a couple of designs based on the two sides for that - axis and allies, and they were supposed to be printed on off-tones of burgundy and olive green
  207. [10:30:53] <kapowaz> but they only do bright red and bright green.
  208. [10:30:55] <BenWard> Heard of, yeah. The only game my MacBook Pro has known lately is Speedball 2 through a Megadrive emulator though :D
  209. [10:30:57] <kapowaz> kind of kills the effect.
  210. [10:31:04] <BenWard> Yeah…
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  212. [10:33:32] <kapowaz> have you heard of october.co.uk ?
  213. [10:33:39] <kapowaz> they do printing and embroidery
  214. [10:33:51] <kapowaz> I emailed them like 6 months ago about a quote but they never replied, though
  215. [10:34:15] * BenWard looks at October
  216. [10:40:16] <BenWard> Interesting… no obvious price list though?
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  220. [10:56:11] <jibot> gsnedders is a 14 year old idiot from Scotland and pretends to have a website at http://geoffers.uni.cc/
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  222. [10:57:58] <kapowaz> BenWard: no, I think they are more aimed at larger size orders
  223. [10:58:14] <kapowaz> possibly why they ignored me, as I said I'd probably not want to order more than 10 at a time at first
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  226. [11:22:37] <jibot> trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and helps with www.multipack.co.uk
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  228. [11:22:51] <jibot> drewinthehead is the author of hKit and a developer for Yahoo! Europe
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  243. [11:56:20] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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  253. [12:31:15] <jibot> drewinthehead is the author of hKit and a developer for Yahoo! Europe
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  255. [12:32:02] <jibot> csarven is Sarven Capadisli and can be found online at http://www.csarven.ca
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  258. [12:41:14] <jibot> kensanata is blogging at http://www.emacswiki.org/alex/
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  260. [12:59:12] <Frederic> re
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  263. [13:27:01] <jibot> McNulty is Ciaran McNulty (http://ciaranmcnulty.com)
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  265. [13:28:27] <jibot> edsu is Ed Summers from the Library of Congress <http://www.inkdroid.org>
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  269. [13:39:38] <ChrisHeilmann> afternoon
  270. [13:39:44] <McNulty> hi
  271. [13:41:13] <drewinthehead> hello you.
  272. [13:41:43] <Whiskey_M> hi Chris :)
  273. [13:42:18] <ChrisHeilmann> hey drew, long time no see
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  276. [13:47:44] <drewinthehead> (for the benefit of those watching in black and white, ChrisHeilmann is sat at the adjacent desk)
  277. [13:48:39] * McNulty looks at the adjacent desk
  278. [13:48:42] <McNulty> No he's not
  279. [13:48:59] <trovster> Tell him to thank me for adding the upcoming event ids ;)
  280. [13:51:29] * Whiskey_M sniffs - no adjacent desk, stuck in the broom cupboard to keep out of harms way
  281. [13:54:26] <ChrisHeilmann> subtle
  282. [13:54:52] <ChrisHeilmann> I uploaded the photos just before I went into a two hour meeting. No time to add that stuff myself
  283. [13:55:02] <trovster> NP, I've done it.
  284. [13:55:05] <ChrisHeilmann> I was the USB stick fairy, I did my share
  285. [13:55:08] <trovster> Not seen any other photos, though
  286. [13:55:21] <ChrisHeilmann> Cause they are all slow. I won flickr!
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  288. [13:56:34] * ChrisHeilmann restrains himself from tagging the group photos of Drew, Norm and Jeremy with "well fed"
  289. [13:57:10] <drewinthehead> oi
  290. [13:58:01] <drewinthehead> faruk took lots of photos ... i imagine he'll upload those soon
  291. [13:58:30] <ChrisHeilmann> yeah he had the rad paparrazi gear
  292. [13:59:11] <ChrisHeilmann> For those who don't know what the hey we are talking about: http://www.flickr.com/photos/codepo8/tags/upcomingevent105545/
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  294. [14:06:17] <McNulty> who's who?
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  296. [14:10:15] <drewinthehead> it's the internet's jeremy keith!
  297. [14:10:29] <Whiskey_M> lol
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  300. [14:12:00] <jibot> briansuda is brian suda of http://suda.co.uk and is at (-0000 GMT) and is author of "Using Microformats" for O'Reilly [http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/microformats/]
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  302. [14:12:38] <ChrisHeilmann> cool
  303. [14:12:45] <ChrisHeilmann> what are the bot's commands?
  304. [14:12:50] <ChrisHeilmann> seen my_feet
  305. [14:13:10] <drewinthehead> http://microformats.org/wiki/irc
  306. [14:13:24] <drewinthehead> has instructions for jibot :)
  307. [14:15:06] <kapowaz> what is this crazy 'internet' you speak of?
  308. [14:15:07] <McNulty> ?google microformats
  309. [14:15:08] <jibot> Search for microformats: 0.222 seconds. Showing first 3 of 890000 sites
  310. [14:15:08] <jibot> microformats - http://microformats.org/
  311. [14:15:08] <jibot> microformats | About microformats - http://microformats.org/about/
  312. [14:15:08] <jibot> Microformats - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microformats
  313. [14:15:11] <McNulty> nice
  314. [14:15:19] <kapowaz> oh now that's just lazy
  315. [14:15:46] <ChrisHeilmann> ?yahoo microformats
  316. [14:15:50] <ChrisHeilmann> SCNR
  317. [14:15:51] * kapowaz laughs
  318. [14:15:54] * drewinthehead sniggers
  319. [14:16:33] <McNulty> try it with the !
  320. [14:16:35] <McNulty> :-)
  321. [14:18:15] <ChrisHeilmann> ?hotbot Semantic Web (for those listening to the podcast, this is with an uppercase S and uppercase W)
  322. [14:18:52] <Whiskey_M> fantastic
  323. [14:19:24] * ajturner_ is now known as ajturner
  324. [14:19:38] <ChrisHeilmann> ?def ChrisHeilmann is Christian Heilmann, physically located in London and at http://wait-till-i.com
  325. [14:19:39] <jibot> ChrisHeilmann is Christian Heilmann, physically located in London and at http://wait-till-i.com
  326. [14:19:42] <kapowaz> hey, flickr/creativecommons fans; what sort of usage do you suppose 'no derivative works' covers?
  327. [14:20:03] <ChrisHeilmann> "not monkeying around with it in photoshop"
  328. [14:20:05] <boneill> don't create something new using it :)
  329. [14:20:06] <kapowaz> I'm trying to work out if cropping a photo and using it on a site is a derivative work
  330. [14:20:22] <boneill> in a very literal interpretation, I'd say yes
  331. [14:20:25] <ajturner> kapowaz - yeah, I would think that is derivative
  332. [14:20:31] <kapowaz> bah.
  333. [14:20:59] <ChrisHeilmann> yes, you could take 123424234234 non-derivative pictures, crop each of them at a pixel of a certain colour and then assemble another photo from them
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  335. [14:21:18] <kapowaz> that sounds like fun
  336. [14:21:19] <ChrisHeilmann> and laugh in an evil fashion once you done that. It is the perfect crime
  337. [14:21:23] <kapowaz> I'll start right away.
  338. [14:21:46] <ajturner> well, even taking those pictures and putting them into a single pic would be a derivative work , without requiring 1px crop
  339. [14:22:02] <kapowaz> I'm using primary colours as the central theme for my company's website redesign, so I've flickr searched for CC photos tagged 'colo(u)rs'
  340. [14:22:04] <ChrisHeilmann> yeah, but a lot less fun
  341. [14:22:20] <ChrisHeilmann> just put superman there
  342. [14:22:22] <kapowaz> the idea being, I can use them instead of bullshit stock photography of people in suits guffawing into mobile phones
  343. [14:22:28] <ajturner> heh
  344. [14:22:30] <kapowaz> whilst eating a croissant
  345. [14:22:41] <ChrisHeilmann> stock photography rocks
  346. [14:22:41] <drewinthehead> shaking hands
  347. [14:22:45] <ajturner> by default, for better or worse, Flickr makes photos All Rights Reserved
  348. [14:22:50] <kapowaz> there is some that's nice
  349. [14:22:57] <ajturner> the photographer has to know to change it to CC
  350. [14:22:59] <kapowaz> but there's a lot that's bad
  351. [14:23:04] <ChrisHeilmann> ask the photographer
  352. [14:23:11] <kapowaz> tell me which of these images you approve of: http://www.teamphone.com/index.html
  353. [14:23:16] <ChrisHeilmann> most flickr people will be OK once you schmooze them
  354. [14:23:21] <kapowaz> I guess.
  355. [14:23:39] <boneill> Business Continuity looks like he's just broken his laptop
  356. [14:23:41] <ChrisHeilmann> you don't want modern ones
  357. [14:23:44] <ajturner> ChrisHeilmann - correct, they just don't know without someone pointing it out
  358. [14:23:59] <kapowaz> I was actually looking for 50s artwork on veer the other day
  359. [14:24:05] <ChrisHeilmann> get one of these 80ies photos will mobile phones the size of small shoeboxes
  360. [14:24:06] <kapowaz> you know the sort, guy with a hat
  361. [14:24:12] <kapowaz> and permagrin
  362. [14:24:13] <ChrisHeilmann> you know, the ones you see in cheap airlines
  363. [14:24:17] <kapowaz> very good
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  365. [14:24:32] <kapowaz> I shall have to find a way to use this photo on the site somehow: http://www.b3takit.co.uk/smugbastard.jpg
  366. [14:24:55] <ChrisHeilmann> that is too obvious
  367. [14:25:13] <kapowaz> ye think?
  368. [14:25:38] <kapowaz> one I really want to use is this: http://www.flickr.com/photos/eduard_szekesi/274513078/
  369. [14:25:40] <ChrisHeilmann> yes, I've used furtive once in a company presentation and even one guy in the sales team recognized him
  370. [14:25:46] <kapowaz> haha
  371. [14:26:02] <ChrisHeilmann> make sure you avoid these:
  372. [14:26:03] <ChrisHeilmann> http://www.fortymedia.com/blog/resources/20/top-ten-stock-photography-cliches
  373. [14:26:43] <kapowaz> "Ewa, the Polish Everywoman"
  374. [14:26:44] <kapowaz> hahahahahahaha
  375. [14:27:01] <ChrisHeilmann> god I love delicious
  376. [14:27:07] <ChrisHeilmann> </adbreak?
  377. [14:27:27] <kapowaz> no commercial usage!
  378. [14:27:28] <kapowaz> GAH
  379. [14:27:39] <kapowaz> goddamned communists
  380. [14:27:50] <ChrisHeilmann> but you don't need to have any stock photos
  381. [14:27:58] <kapowaz> no, I don't
  382. [14:28:00] <ChrisHeilmann> just use word art and the windows clip art
  383. [14:28:07] <kapowaz> well
  384. [14:28:13] <kapowaz> I was thinking of printing out some powerpoint slides
  385. [14:28:13] <mfbot> [[events]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events&diff=0&oldid=9631 * Adactio * (+0) Upcoming -
  386. [14:28:16] <kapowaz> and taking photos of them
  387. [14:28:16] <ChrisHeilmann> all you ever need to make great web sites that leave an impression
  388. [14:28:29] <kapowaz> then use those photos on the site
  389. [14:28:32] <ChrisHeilmann> that's just kinky
  390. [14:28:34] <kapowaz> with a nice drop shadow
  391. [14:28:39] <kapowaz> and maybe a slight reflection
  392. [14:28:44] <McNulty> make sure you do it on a wooden table
  393. [14:28:51] <ChrisHeilmann> what you do in your freetime is your own thing, but don't get your company involved
  394. [14:29:04] <kapowaz> heh
  395. [14:29:59] <kapowaz> I like the reflection/glow effects on this site (not to mention the guy's artwork): http://gallery.artofgregmartin.com/
  396. [14:30:17] <kapowaz> the glow from the hover state 'leaks' over onto the adjacent objects
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  398. [14:30:37] <jibot> Atamido is Paul Bryson, http://orangeman.commo.de/
  399. [14:30:59] <mfbot> [[events/2006-10-19-wsg-microformats-meetup]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2006-10-19-wsg-microformats-meetup&diff=0&oldid=9632 * Adactio * (+126) Details -
  400. [14:31:18] <ChrisHeilmann> Gallery of Art is such a cool name
  401. [14:31:44] <kapowaz> ye think?
  402. [14:31:58] <Atamido> Yeah, real original...
  403. [14:32:02] <ChrisHeilmann> wait till this is done: http://icant.co.uk/sandbox/fadebadge/
  404. [14:33:35] <ChrisHeilmann> Text of Words will be my next project
  405. [14:33:46] <kapowaz> you can have other things of art, too you know
  406. [14:33:49] <kapowaz> like an F of Art
  407. [14:33:53] <kapowaz> a poor grade
  408. [14:34:50] <ChrisHeilmann> F-Art
  409. [14:34:58] <ChrisHeilmann> another cool gallery name
  410. [14:36:07] <ChrisHeilmann> The Archive could be Old F-Art
  411. [14:37:47] <kapowaz> ladies and gentlemen, can I ask you to join me in putting your hands together
  412. [14:37:59] <kapowaz> Mister Christian Heilmann, ladies and germs! Let's hear it!
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  422. [15:10:10] <Atamido> ChrisHeilmann: Nice photo search thingie.
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  424. [15:17:46] <kapowaz> well, it is friday: http://www.freevlog.hu/main/index.php?play=2161
  425. [15:18:31] <kapowaz> they're totally flipping out
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  428. [15:25:38] <ChrisHeilmann> ta
  429. [15:28:10] <trovster> Anyone know have I can share all my delicious bookmarks?
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  432. [15:28:30] <trovster> It imported them private, and I can't find out how to convert all private ones to shared
  433. [15:30:32] <ChrisHeilmann> Oh I had that once
  434. [15:30:38] <ChrisHeilmann> that was a bitch to do
  435. [15:31:03] <ChrisHeilmann> I think the best option would be to do it with the API
  436. [15:31:12] <ChrisHeilmann> as in the interface it takes ages
  437. [15:31:17] <kapowaz> shurely with the microformatsh?
  438. [15:31:46] <trovster> ChrisHeilmann: I just got 'Sorry, you've been temporarily blocked for accessing del.icio.us too rapidly.' by doing it manually.
  439. [15:31:53] <kapowaz> ouch.
  440. [15:31:59] <trovster> The double check is just stupid, are you sure, YES
  441. [15:32:08] <ChrisHeilmann> tell them
  442. [15:32:19] <ChrisHeilmann> there is a lot I'd like to have differently in delicious
  443. [15:32:25] <ChrisHeilmann> it is being changed now
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  445. [15:38:09] <jibot> cgriego is Chris Griego (-06:00) and a front-end architect with rd2inc.com
  446. [15:38:22] <kapowaz> is that user description pulled out of the wiki?
  447. [15:38:25] <kapowaz> or is it set here?
  448. [15:38:30] <Whiskey_M> ?def
  449. [15:38:31] <jibot> Braindump available at: http://an9.org/~jibot
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  452. [15:38:43] <trovster> Argh, I'm not 250 of my bookmarks :@
  453. [15:41:38] <trovster> ChrisHeilmann: Don't suppose you know the API call to change them from private to shared?
  454. [15:44:04] <ChrisHeilmann> don't think there is one
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  456. [15:45:19] <ChrisHeilmann> you can do a get then delete then add
  457. [15:45:20] <ChrisHeilmann> :-)
  458. [15:46:28] <drewinthehead> that sucks
  459. [15:46:41] <drewinthehead> and still there's no microformats
  460. [15:46:50] <drewinthehead> boo del.icio.us!
  461. [15:47:37] <ChrisHeilmann> that might help
  462. [15:47:37] <ChrisHeilmann> http://ghill.customer.netspace.net.au/re-mark/
  463. [15:48:42] <ChrisHeilmann> yes, we should have a say in the redesign
  464. [15:50:01] <trovster> OK: Found 100 bookmarks. -- looks like it stops after 100
  465. [15:50:02] <mfbot> [[events/2006-10-19-wsg-microformats-meetup]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2006-10-19-wsg-microformats-meetup&diff=0&oldid=9633 * Adactio * (+264) Blog Posts -
  466. [15:54:11] <ChrisHeilmann> probably it skips the seedy ones
  467. [15:54:22] <trovster> :)
  468. [15:54:36] * kapowaz cancels his pending batch bookmark process job in that case
  469. [15:54:38] <trovster> Anyone having a FF2.0 part� ?
  470. [15:55:09] <charles_r> anyone having an IE7 parte? ;)
  471. [15:55:19] <trovster> Too late!
  472. [15:56:05] <charles_r> you could have an IE7 party when it auto-updates onto your pc i suppose
  473. [15:57:31] <ChrisHeilmann> I like that it validates your windows first
  474. [15:57:45] <ChrisHeilmann> "you want to surf the web? Tell me all about your computer first!"
  475. [15:59:26] <kapowaz> I had heard they weren't going to do that
  476. [15:59:54] <kapowaz> the logic being; a large percentage of compromised PCs on the 'net are compromised due to IE security flaws
  477. [16:00:11] <kapowaz> therefore it makes more sense to 'do the right thing' than be all anal about piracy.
  478. [16:00:19] <kapowaz> should have known that was wishful thinking though
  479. [16:00:52] <kapowaz> can I get constructive criticism, thoughts, suggestions for some mockups? I've not done any of these for a while, so...
  480. [16:01:00] <kapowaz> http://www.kapowaz.net/teamphone/ vs http://www.teamphone.com/
  481. [16:02:22] <ChrisHeilmann> Jeremy did not use hReview in his blog post
  482. [16:02:27] <ChrisHeilmann> *whistleblow*
  483. [16:04:08] <ChrisHeilmann> hey I know that teamphone navigation
  484. [16:04:09] <ChrisHeilmann> http://www.onlinetools.org/
  485. [16:04:09] <kapowaz> ah well, I didn't do the homework
  486. [16:04:36] <kapowaz> the current navigation sucks
  487. [16:04:41] <kapowaz> the current *site* sucks
  488. [16:05:24] <ChrisHeilmann> I am not too sure about bringing in a horizontal navigation at a later stage
  489. [16:05:34] <ChrisHeilmann> or are these different options
  490. [16:05:49] <kapowaz> the way the navigation is at the bottom on certain screens?
  491. [16:05:53] <ChrisHeilmann> oh finicky little dropdowns
  492. [16:05:56] <ChrisHeilmann> my favourite
  493. [16:06:25] <kapowaz> the idea is the first 3 slides are all the same page - when you click on one of the three options it'll expand to give you more
  494. [16:06:33] <kapowaz> the three coloured blocks
  495. [16:06:34] <ChrisHeilmann> and then we give the same information again on the left
  496. [16:06:38] <ChrisHeilmann> awesome
  497. [16:06:41] <ChrisHeilmann> back to yours
  498. [16:07:07] <kapowaz> I think perhaps I shouldn't have showed the old one.
  499. [16:07:15] <kapowaz> it's too bad for any sort of objective comparison
  500. [16:07:42] <ChrisHeilmann> ah so that confused me
  501. [16:07:50] <ChrisHeilmann> I wouldn't move the navigation around
  502. [16:08:04] <kapowaz> mhmm
  503. [16:08:15] <ChrisHeilmann> if you keep it on the top even above the constantina navigation it'll make it easier to guess what is going on
  504. [16:08:18] <kapowaz> I wasn't sure about it myself, but I liked the contrast between the bar across the top and the red block
  505. [16:08:24] <kapowaz> true.
  506. [16:08:33] <ChrisHeilmann> as in - give people a defined space where the navigation is
  507. [16:08:39] <ChrisHeilmann> then let them explore the content
  508. [16:08:50] <kapowaz> I considered putting it inside the lozenge across the top too, but it was cramped at the same size as the logotype
  509. [16:08:53] <ChrisHeilmann> I'd also expand the first bit automatically
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  511. [16:09:45] <jibot> pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
  512. [16:10:01] <kapowaz> there is a good chance that the front page would have more content than those three links
  513. [16:10:17] <kapowaz> below where the navigation is currently
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  515. [16:10:21] <kapowaz> probably a news excerpt
  516. [16:10:28] <kapowaz> that sort of thing
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  518. [16:11:56] <ChrisHeilmann> yes, it should
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  520. [16:12:08] <ChrisHeilmann> nothing worse for SEO than a static index page
  521. [16:13:17] <trovster> What about a Flash splash screen and navigation generated with JavaScript?
  522. [16:13:45] <kapowaz> well... now that you mention it... ;)
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  524. [16:18:10] <ChrisHeilmann> ok the guys on #html on freenode scare me
  525. [16:18:33] <ChrisHeilmann> <p/hello world/ is a valid paragraph in HTML
  526. [16:18:38] <ChrisHeilmann> true, but WHY????
  527. [16:20:24] <kapowaz> they have nothing to do tonight
  528. [16:20:28] <kapowaz> except maybe play WoW
  529. [16:20:43] <kapowaz> I've uploaded an alternative view of the navigation, if you're interested in looking Chris
  530. [16:21:18] <ChrisHeilmann> ouh ajaxian found another tooltip.js implementation
  531. [16:21:24] <ChrisHeilmann> things the masses hunger for
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  533. [16:21:31] <kapowaz> aha
  534. [16:21:36] <kapowaz> indeed
  535. [16:22:02] <ChrisHeilmann> nah!
  536. [16:22:08] <kapowaz> I should try and dig out the demo the marketing manager here 'built'
  537. [16:22:19] <ChrisHeilmann> this makes the logo look like a navigation element
  538. [16:22:29] <kapowaz> yes :|
  539. [16:22:30] <ChrisHeilmann> and resizing the font won't be possible at all
  540. [16:22:34] <kapowaz> aye
  541. [16:22:49] <ChrisHeilmann> granted, they are big enough, but still :-)
  542. [16:23:21] <kapowaz> well how this is all implemented is another thorny issue
  543. [16:23:33] <kapowaz> I may have to bite the bullet and use Arial
  544. [16:23:42] <kapowaz> alternatively certain bits of it can be graphics
  545. [16:23:46] <ChrisHeilmann> that is all possible in CSS so for
  546. [16:23:47] <ChrisHeilmann> far
  547. [16:23:53] <kapowaz> I was considering sIFR for the article headings
  548. [16:23:57] <ChrisHeilmann> sFIR is another option
  549. [16:24:02] <ChrisHeilmann> yes
  550. [16:24:16] <ChrisHeilmann> you are pretty massive there
  551. [16:24:28] <kapowaz> yeah, but the target audience is businessmen in their 50s
  552. [16:24:33] <kapowaz> impaired vision ftw :)
  553. [16:24:46] <ChrisHeilmann> this is a 1280 resolution but on smaller ones I might not be too happy to have half a screen mood picture and one MASSIVE heading
  554. [16:25:06] <kapowaz> s'fair enough
  555. [16:25:16] <kapowaz> but it's designed to fit inside 960px width
  556. [16:25:41] <kapowaz> it's big - relatively - but it could be made smaller without much impact on the design
  557. [16:26:27] <ChrisHeilmann> then again, what do I know: http://www.flickr.com/photos/codepo8/243531891/in/set-72157594153010812/
  558. [16:28:09] <kapowaz> okay, third time lucky. uploaded another.
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  561. [16:29:16] <kapowaz> I really wish photoshop didn't rename everything inside a duplicated group 'copy x'
  562. [16:29:29] <kapowaz> I end up with fifty layers all called 'whatever copy 9' or whatever
  563. [16:29:33] <ChrisHeilmann> I think "we provide intelligent lalala" needs a background
  564. [16:29:35] <kapowaz> and it BUGS ME.
  565. [16:29:41] <kapowaz> I was thinking that
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  567. [16:29:43] <kapowaz> well
  568. [16:29:47] <kapowaz> actually I was thinking of moving it.
  569. [16:29:50] <ChrisHeilmann> light grey is your friend
  570. [16:30:29] <ChrisHeilmann> as another colour would give it that gay pride feel
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  573. [16:32:35] <kapowaz> oh I had already noted that
  574. [16:32:42] <kapowaz> some of the flickr images I found were very rainbowy
  575. [16:33:06] <kapowaz> anyway, I have uploaded yet another concept
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  579. [16:38:58] <ChrisHeilmann> oh I like
  580. [16:39:17] <ChrisHeilmann> maybe right - aligned?
  581. [16:42:27] <kapowaz> reload again ftw
  582. [16:42:32] <kapowaz> we have pride!
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  585. [16:46:28] <jibot> mlinksva is Mike Linksvayer and from Creative Commons
  586. [16:46:49] <kapowaz> this is awesome: http://shop.lego.com/product.asp?p=EL502
  587. [16:50:32] <ChrisHeilmann> no, something with voice would make sense
  588. [16:51:51] <kapowaz> hmm?
  589. [16:51:53] <ChrisHeilmann> ok meeting
  590. [16:51:58] <kapowaz> at this hour? evil.
  591. [16:52:05] <ChrisHeilmann> they don't sell colourful glass do they?
  592. [16:52:11] <kapowaz> heh, no.
  593. [16:52:16] <kapowaz> I see what you mean.
  594. [16:52:23] <kapowaz> see you at the geek dinner perhaps.
  595. [16:52:24] <ChrisHeilmann> Well, talking to the Sunnyvale guys about the Dundee University Hack Day
  596. [16:52:28] <kapowaz> ooh.
  597. [16:52:37] <kapowaz> okay, well ttfn.
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  605. [17:22:29] <jibot> pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
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  610. [17:54:22] <tantek> I'd say the WSG Microformats Talk deserves a summary blog post - anybody here that attended want to write one up?
  611. [17:54:53] <tantek> I've noted a few good posts on it: http://adactio.com/journal/1192/ , http://bryony.wordpress.com/2006/10/20/geek-forever/ , http://www.isolani.co.uk/blog/semanticweb/WsgMicroformatsTalkLondon2006
  612. [17:55:03] <tantek> sounds like a great set of sessions
  613. [17:56:15] <kingryan> " I cut it a bit close and arrived just a few minutes before show time. I wasn’t trying to imitate Tantek,..."
  614. [17:56:40] <tantek> ;)
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  616. [17:57:08] * kingryan notes that tantek is running late to work this morning
  617. [17:58:00] <bewest> hehe
  618. [17:59:51] <gsnedders> kingryan: what time is he meant to be there?
  619. [18:00:18] <kingryan> no particular time, really
  620. [18:00:20] * bewest guesses whatever time he wants...
  621. [18:00:24] <kingryan> he's just usually in before I am
  622. [18:00:24] <bewest> he is CTO, correct?
  623. [18:00:47] <Frederic> Hi kingryan
  624. [18:00:51] <kingryan> without the O
  625. [18:00:58] <bewest> ah
  626. [18:01:01] <kingryan> hi Frederic
  627. [18:01:09] <kingryan> meaning he doesn't have many people reporting to hmi
  628. [18:01:10] <kingryan> him*
  629. [18:01:33] <kingryan> we have a vp of engineering that does most of the O in CTO stuff
  630. [18:01:36] <bewest> in a company that size there's not that many people to recieve reports
  631. [18:01:39] <bewest> erm
  632. [18:01:42] <bewest> to create reports
  633. [18:01:45] <bewest> to be received
  634. [18:01:56] <kingryan> yeah
  635. [18:02:00] <Frederic> Well, receiving reports is often a pain
  636. [18:02:37] <bewest> if you have "self-empowered innovators" there's not much of a need for reports
  637. [18:02:39] <bewest> :-)
  638. [18:02:46] <gsnedders> I wish I could get into school at no particular time… :)
  639. [18:12:10] <kingryan> yeah, me too gsnedders
  640. [18:12:22] <kingryan> I get to show up to work whenever, but I have to leave at specific times for school
  641. [18:13:03] <Frederic> last year for you Ryan ?
  642. [18:13:10] <kingryan> last semester
  643. [18:13:16] <kingryan> finished in december
  644. [18:13:17] <bewest> congrats :-)
  645. [18:13:18] <Frederic> congrats
  646. [18:13:24] <kingryan> well, I have to finish first
  647. [18:13:26] <kingryan> :D
  648. [18:13:29] <Frederic> Yes
  649. [18:13:45] <kingryan> thankfully this is the lowest-workload semester
  650. [18:13:47] <Frederic> Time for me to socialize a bit : my wife has invited a few friends of her
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  653. [18:36:28] <gsnedders> kingryan: I'm only 14, so a few more years for me :P
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  657. [18:52:30] <Frederic> I've seen enough people IRL, back
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  659. [18:54:55] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  662. [19:04:04] <mfbot> [[implementations]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=implementations&diff=0&oldid=9634 * ChrisSaccheri * (+176)
  663. [19:12:27] <gsnedders> IRL?
  664. [19:13:36] <hober> in real life
  665. [19:13:52] <kingryan> aka meatspace
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  670. [19:34:20] <jibot> RobertBachmann is Robert Bachmann <http://rbach.priv.at/> and lives in Austria (Timezone: UTC 02)
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  672. [19:40:53] <jibot> drewinthehead is the author of hKit and a developer for Yahoo! Europe
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  674. [19:44:45] <tantek> hey drewinthehead
  675. [19:45:01] <tantek> would you like to do a blog post about your successful WSG meetup?
  676. [19:46:21] <Frederic> Hi tantek
  677. [19:46:48] <drewinthehead> hey tantek
  678. [19:46:51] <drewinthehead> i could give it a go
  679. [19:47:07] <tantek> I pasted a few URLs of related blog posts above.
  680. [19:47:27] <drewinthehead> great .. will check the scrollback now
  681. [19:47:29] <bewest> kingryan: nice mailing list policies
  682. [19:47:39] * bewest has just read them and the links
  683. [19:48:50] <bewest> I suspect many urls being discussed have a common base href
  684. [19:49:03] * tantek considered suggesting words to avoid in replies, e.g. "poppycock", "fallacious", but then reconsidered. Will submit proposals to minitru newspeak division.
  685. [19:49:43] * bewest thinks it would be nice to quote just the relevant part of the url
  686. [19:50:06] * bewest wonders if fully 80% of the urls referenced on the list are under microformats.org
  687. [19:50:53] <bewest> a few times I mentioned "wiki-feedback"
  688. [19:51:09] <bewest> because that is correct relative to http://microformats.org/wiki/
  689. [19:51:32] <bewest> referenced URI's should always take the absolute form though?
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  691. [19:53:00] <bewest> one would think that with some suitable conventions, mail readers could disambiguate relative URI's
  692. [19:53:16] <bewest> url(uFwiki:wiki-feedback)
  693. [19:53:33] <bewest> hmmm that's probably better in the authoring side of things though
  694. [19:54:06] <bewest> maybe a bookmarklet or greasemonkey script that expands it...
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  696. [19:55:48] <jibot> danja is Danny Ayers, http://dannyayers.com
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  702. [20:06:00] <jibot> trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and helps with www.multipack.co.uk
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  712. [20:53:21] <kingryan> bewest: I understand, many of our urls are on mf.org
  713. [20:53:47] <kingryan> however, I think it makes sense for the author to do a bit more work (type the full url) so that readers can just click on the url and read it
  714. [20:54:16] <bewest> I agree. I'm looking for a way to accomodate my laziness at the same time
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  716. [20:54:44] <kingryan> I, for one, get tired of typing ' http://microformats.org/wiki/', so I use textexpander (http://macupdate.com/info.php/id/19147)
  717. [20:54:53] <bewest> textexpander...
  718. [20:54:56] <kingryan> then I only have to type 'mfp'
  719. [20:55:01] <bewest> yes
  720. [20:55:04] <kingryan> and it gets expanded to http://microformats.org/wiki/
  721. [20:55:19] <kingryan> errr, mf w
  722. [20:55:23] <kingryan> (with no space)
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  724. [20:55:50] <bewest> only mac :-(
  725. [20:56:11] <bewest> I'm thinking of a bookmarklet
  726. [20:56:26] <bewest> or a GM script
  727. [20:56:30] <bewest> that listens for onsubmit
  728. [20:57:19] <kingryan> yeah, only mac, but it works in every app on my mac
  729. [20:57:33] <bewest> that's neat
  730. [20:57:34] <bewest> hmmm
  731. [20:57:49] <bewest> is it open source?
  732. [20:58:17] <bewest> hmmm
  733. [20:58:20] <kingryan> no, shareware
  734. [20:58:22] <bewest> to do that in linux...
  735. [20:58:39] <bewest> would need like a dbus thingy that connects to X to capture all keyboard events, right?
  736. [20:59:17] <bewest> meh bookmarklet is a whole lot simpler
  737. [20:59:44] <bewest> actually I'd prefer to use vim for everything... so I can just use abbrs
  738. [21:03:01] <gsnedders> kingryan: how does that work? you type something then use a shortcut then it expands it?
  739. [21:03:36] <kingryan> there's different options- I just have it expand it automatically
  740. [21:03:46] <kingryan> I just pick strings that I'm not likely to ever type
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  743. [21:07:42] <gsnedders> I guess an abbr like µf wouldn't come up that often :)
  744. [21:08:58] <bewest> or "mfw"
  745. [21:09:56] <tantek> or even the ASCII-zation "uf"
  746. [21:10:21] * tantek notes microformats mention in press that is mostly accurate: http://weblog.infoworld.com/techwatch/archives/008472.html
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  748. [21:14:05] <bewest> "creator of an XML framework called microformat."
  749. [21:17:52] <tantek> note, I said *mostly* ;)
  750. [21:18:31] <bewest> only hcard and hcal are available?
  751. [21:18:47] <bewest> :-)
  752. [21:18:48] <tantek> worse still, he called me "A-list blogger" which I certainly am not, not by any objective measure, not even close.
  753. [21:19:00] <bewest> well, the writing in general is rather poor
  754. [21:19:07] <bewest> but most writing about technology is poor
  755. [21:21:10] <bewest> you get an A on my list ;-)
  756. [21:22:50] <kingryan> "...in what he called a social network..."
  757. [21:22:59] <kingryan> now *that's* skepticism
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  759. [21:27:07] <bewest> who said they would rather compare it to IE6?
  760. [21:27:46] <bewest> that seems like a reasonable strategy... most people are comparing it to IE6
  761. [21:28:36] <bewest> I think this author is more interested in appearing skeptical than being informative
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  763. [21:35:23] <tantek> one has to appear skeptical when discussing microsoft otherwise one is branded a schill (especially in the press)
  764. [21:35:32] <tantek> shill (sp?)
  765. [21:36:10] <kingryan> shill
  766. [21:36:16] <kingryan> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shill
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  768. [21:43:03] <bewest> but why omit the names of people you're quoting?
  769. [21:43:50] <mfbot> [[press]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=press&diff=0&oldid=9635 * RobertBachmann * (+154) 2006 - November: iX 11/2006 German
  770. [21:44:31] <mfbot> [[press]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=press&diff=0&oldid=9636 * Tantek * (+345) added Infoworld mention of microformats, and Practical Web Design
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  772. [21:52:52] <mfbot> [[advocacy]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/advocacy * MikeSchinkel * (+1093) Initial Entry
  773. [21:53:33] <mfbot> [[advocacy]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=advocacy&diff=0&oldid=0 * MikeSchinkel * (+1093) advocacy moved to Advocacy
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  775. [21:59:19] <mfbot> [[hcard]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=9637 * AndyMabbett * (+64) Examples in the wild - \West Midland Bird Club links page
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  782. [22:39:36] <mfbot> [[rel-tag-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rel-tag-issues&diff=0&oldid=9638 * MarkJaquith * (+635) WordPress default permalink structure issues
  783. [22:51:53] * tantek is doing a bit of GRDDL reviewing
  784. [22:51:57] <tantek> http://www.w3.org/TR/grddl-primer/
  785. [22:52:18] <tantek> DanC - hopefully you will see this mention of your name
  786. [22:52:50] <tantek> in the example in this section http://www.w3.org/TR/grddl-primer/#linking
  787. [22:53:04] <tantek> it could be improved by changing this:
  788. [22:53:05] <tantek> <ol class="schedule">
  789. [22:53:07] <tantek> to this:
  790. [22:53:11] <tantek> <ol class="vcalendar">
  791. [22:54:02] <tantek> to specific, this version of the draft: http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-grddl-primer-20061002/#linking
  792. [22:55:11] <tantek> in addition, minor correction in this document: http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-grddl-scenarios-20061002/#acks
  793. [22:55:30] <tantek> er, this URL that is: http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-grddl-scenarios-20061002/#References
  794. [22:55:42] <tantek> [Microformats]
  795. [22:55:42] <tantek> Microformat, 2006/08/30 11:05:31, http://microformats.org/ .
  796. [22:55:44] <tantek> should be
  797. [22:55:49] <tantek> [Microformats]
  798. [22:55:49] <tantek> Microformats, 2006/08/30 11:05:31, http://microformats.org/ .
  799. [22:55:58] <tantek> actually to get the case exactly correct
  800. [22:56:03] <tantek> [Microformats]
  801. [22:56:04] <tantek> microformats, 2006/08/30 11:05:31, http://microformats.org/ .
  802. [22:56:06] <tantek> there we go
  803. [23:22:07] <boneill> MicRoforMaTs?
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  805. [23:50:49] <jibot> bkdelong is B.K. DeLong, Head Research Analyst for HALO Worldwide - http://www.haloworldwide.com. Web: http://www.brain-stream.com. Email: bkdelong@pobox.com and lives in Salem, MA, USA (-5:00 GMT)
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