IRC Log for #microformats on 2006-10-23

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  16. [03:36:23] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  19. [04:59:42] * bewes1 uses kayak.com's feedback form to suggest allowing people use input an URL to suggest date ranges automatically using hCalendar
  20. [04:59:55] * bewes1 doesn't know why trip planning sites don't take advantage of all the published evnts out there
  21. [05:00:26] <bewes1> like thanksgiving or christmas... how many people fly during that time? why do I have to fiddle with their clusmy date selectors?
  22. [05:09:42] <tantek> bewes1, is there a "standard" open source date selector that these sites should be using?
  23. [05:10:46] <bewes1> hmmm
  24. [05:10:48] <bewes1> I doubt it
  25. [05:10:59] <bewes1> they're all different
  26. [05:11:13] <bewes1> but it'd be cool if I could tell them to look at my google calendar
  27. [05:11:15] <bewes1> or my blog
  28. [05:11:22] <bewes1> and they read hcalendar events off my blog
  29. [05:11:33] <bewes1> so I could simply select the events, and not mess with a calendar widget
  30. [05:11:45] <bewes1> presumably I already used a calendar widget to create the event using hCal-creator
  31. [05:11:51] <bewes1> why do I have to do it twice?
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  33. [05:24:36] <bewes1> tantek: http://bewest.wordpress.com/2006/10/23/an-easy-semantic-web-application-for-trip-planning-sites-and-events-publishers/
  34. [05:32:16] <tantek> bewes1 - well written
  35. [05:35:11] <bewes1> thanks
  36. [05:40:37] <Frederic> morning
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  41. [06:11:07] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  44. [06:31:36] <mfbot> [[include-pattern-feedback]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=include-pattern-feedback&diff=0&oldid=9741 * RichHall * (+217) Proprietary attribute -
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  46. [06:47:07] <jibot> bengee is Benjamin Nowack (http://bnode.org/)
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  48. [06:48:27] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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  51. [06:56:13] <mfbot> [[irc]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=irc&diff=0&oldid=9742 * Chris Messina * (+483) added mac IRC clients
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  60. [07:51:12] <mfbot> [[include-pattern-feedback]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=include-pattern-feedback&diff=0&oldid=9744 * RichHall * (+195) Objects and Browser Behavior -
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  62. [07:55:42] <jibot> McNulty is Ciaran McNulty (http://ciaranmcnulty.com)
  63. [07:58:13] <mfbot> [[include-pattern-feedback]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=include-pattern-feedback&diff=0&oldid=9745 * RichHall * (+126) Objects and Browser Behavior -
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  68. [08:03:08] <jibot> trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and helps with www.multipack.co.uk
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  71. [08:27:37] <jibot> drewinthehead is the author of hKit and a developer for Yahoo! Europe
  72. [08:32:48] <mfbot> [[include-pattern-feedback]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=include-pattern-feedback&diff=0&oldid=9749 * RichHall * (+506) Objects and Browser Behavior -
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  77. [08:44:21] <kapowaz> spammy bot
  78. [08:44:42] <kapowaz> morning all.
  79. [08:44:51] <kapowaz> this morning I have a predicament
  80. [08:45:21] <kapowaz> there has been something of a minor shift of power within the organisation over the last week or so, and one individual now has somewhat higher seniority than he had previously
  81. [08:45:35] <kapowaz> it appears he's using this opportunity to stamp his 'authoritah' on us all
  82. [08:45:56] <kapowaz> so two emails from him over the weekend
  83. [08:45:57] <kapowaz> #1:
  84. [08:46:22] <kapowaz> "By the way - have a look at http://www.btintelligentsolutions.com. This is a look and feel that BT are moving to more and more. It might well be worth our while to model our site quite strongly on this kind of structure."
  85. [08:46:36] <kapowaz> #2
  86. [08:46:46] <kapowaz> Subject: Some useful and interesting thoughts on web site design
  87. [08:47:06] <McNulty> nice
  88. [08:47:07] <kapowaz> "Particularly sensible comments about longevity of content and links to that content. http://insight.zdnet.co.uk/internet/0,39020451,39284187,00.htm"
  89. [08:47:40] <kapowaz> my first reaction to the latter is to call him a patronising bastard and ask him if he honestly felt anybody would be hired as a web designer if they *didn't* already know all 10
  90. [08:47:48] <kapowaz> but that may not be prudent.
  91. [08:48:47] <kapowaz> I think the first email is the more worrying though
  92. [08:48:58] <kapowaz> 'hey, yeah, let's just copy a really dodgy looking corporate site!'
  93. [08:49:34] <McNulty> 'Ensure you make use of the alt and title attributes for every XHTML tag on your Web site that supports them'
  94. [08:49:41] <McNulty> @title on *everything* ?
  95. [08:49:44] <McNulty> wow
  96. [08:50:45] <McNulty> doesn't every element support @title?
  97. [08:51:07] <kapowaz> I personally read that as use them on every appropriate element
  98. [08:51:18] <kapowaz> but yeah, it would probably be OTT to follow that to the letter
  99. [08:51:38] <kapowaz> more disconcerting was the fact that a COO was emailing me basic web design tips as if I might not already know them
  100. [08:51:51] <kapowaz> shall I reply with "How to tie a necktie" ?
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  102. [08:52:28] <McNulty> our boss sent us a link about this thing he'd read about called 'AJAX'...
  103. [08:52:32] <McNulty> I think they all do it
  104. [08:52:48] <drewinthehead> or send him instructions on breathing ... but note that compliance is optional.
  105. [08:52:56] <kapowaz> good one
  106. [08:53:17] <kapowaz> I have encountered such behaviour before but generally it's not been from people in such high positions
  107. [08:53:53] <kapowaz> also I *have* had previous conversations with him about this particular project, and it was all conducted at an above-basic level
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  109. [08:54:14] <kapowaz> you know, as if he might actually understand most of it
  110. [08:55:06] <kapowaz> perhaps that was just a cunning ruse
  111. [08:55:47] <kapowaz> I am quite incapable of simply imitating a shit website
  112. [08:55:57] <kapowaz> I will die inside, slowly, if I try that
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  118. [09:02:04] <kapowaz> quick pop quiz
  119. [09:02:10] <kapowaz> can anybody tell me what this page is talking about?
  120. [09:02:12] <kapowaz> http://www.btintelligentsolutions.com/21cn/reduced_complexity
  121. [09:02:34] <kapowaz> I mean, what the fuck does "holistic view of your contract" mean?
  122. [09:02:48] * kapowaz is not enjoying Monday so faf
  123. [09:02:54] <kapowaz> or indeed, far
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  125. [09:15:16] <kapowaz> oh my
  126. [09:15:34] <kapowaz> we get Dr Dobb's Journal here, a developer magazine (more aimed at the old school)
  127. [09:15:50] <kapowaz> one of the articles in the current podcast is: "Web 2.0: A Security Risk?"
  128. [09:16:06] <kapowaz> "Pater Yared has some advice on improving the Web 2.0 security model."
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  130. [09:18:30] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  132. [09:18:53] <kapowaz> Good morning Tantek. Can't sleep?
  133. [09:19:04] <tantek> goodmorning
  134. [09:21:17] <kapowaz> aha! I have found it: http://www.ddj.com/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=192201837
  135. [09:21:41] <mcknut> morning guys
  136. [09:23:25] <mcknut> I hacked support for OS X into the tails export plugin over the weekend
  137. [09:23:40] * kapowaz claps
  138. [09:23:50] <McNulty> Oh, excellent
  139. [09:23:54] <mcknut> also added a "bluetooth" button that allows you to send vCards directly to your phone from firefox, only in OS X though
  140. [09:24:04] <kapowaz> very clever
  141. [09:24:05] <McNulty> mcknut - link? ;-)
  142. [09:24:06] <mcknut> have put a post about it here: http://blog.johnmckerrell.com/2006/10/23/microformats-tails-export-bluetooth/
  143. [09:24:17] * McNulty wants to go home to his Mac now
  144. [09:24:49] <mcknut> :)
  145. [09:25:12] <kapowaz> sucks doesn't it? having to work on Windows at work when you've a Mac at home.
  146. [09:25:19] <kapowaz> it feels like you're using a sub-optimal tool.
  147. [09:26:23] <mcknut> yeah, I've had to do that a few times and it's nasty, fortunately don't have to do it often
  148. [09:26:45] * McNulty uses Linux at work and Mac at home
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  150. [09:28:06] <mcknut> ah, that's not quite so bad, imho anyway
  151. [09:28:36] <McNulty> That exporter looks excellent, well done.
  152. [09:28:58] <kapowaz> each to his own I guess
  153. [09:29:01] <McNulty> I had been meaning to document my Nokia's treatment of vcards on import, maybe this'll give me the kick up the arse to do it
  154. [09:29:08] * kapowaz would still rather use Windows than Linux on the desktop
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  156. [09:29:45] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
  157. [09:29:47] <McNulty> kapowaz - really? For the apps we use at work, there's not much difference. Except Linux is free. And we can easier test stuff locally for whatever reason
  158. [09:31:28] <mcknut> no, have to be mac, linux, bbc micro, windows for me really, in that order
  159. [09:31:57] <McNulty> next round of machine upgrades, I'm going to see if I can get a Mini or something, and dual-boot
  160. [09:32:23] <McNulty> It's a cost issue though, we all have standardish Dell cheap-ass boxes, and stick FC5 on them
  161. [09:32:53] <mcknut> yeah, hard to contend with the cheapness of Del
  162. [09:33:30] <mcknut> and thanks for the nice comments, will be interesting to see how different people's phones handle the formats, I was surprised mine didn't handle the iCal stuff
  163. [09:33:58] <McNulty> which iCal stuff?
  164. [09:34:02] <McNulty> .icses?
  165. [09:36:47] <McNulty> er, .ICSs?
  166. [09:37:21] <mcknut> yeah
  167. [09:37:49] <mcknut> my phone just saves them as files, though it handles the vCards fine
  168. [09:38:13] <McNulty> hm. I'd have thought they'd handle them - most phones will accept .ICS over MMS, I think
  169. [09:39:57] <mcknut> yeah, I'll perhaps try exporting something from Apple iCal, and sending that, in case it's something slightly wrong in the file that's generated
  170. [09:40:29] <tantek> mcknut - that's awesome. from a web page directly to your phone. wow.
  171. [09:40:41] <McNulty> mcknut - You'd expect it to try and import it and then error, though
  172. [09:42:17] <kapowaz> McNulty: I generally just find Linux desktop environments less consistent and well-rounded even than Windows
  173. [09:42:38] <kapowaz> I can get all of the flexibility and power I need from unix from a remote command shell
  174. [09:42:45] <kapowaz> and that doesn't have to be local
  175. [09:42:51] <mcknut> McNulty: good point, which I guess indicates that it just doesn't support it at all
  176. [09:43:20] <mcknut> tantek: thanks
  177. [09:43:44] * kapowaz agrees that is an exceptionally useful idea
  178. [09:43:52] <kapowaz> that's microformats in action alright
  179. [09:44:21] <mcknut> yup
  180. [09:44:30] <McNulty> mcknut - you in the UK? I could try and MMS you an appointment if you like.
  181. [09:44:35] <McNulty> See what happens
  182. [09:44:45] <mcknut> yeah, sure
  183. [09:44:54] <McNulty> It's ok if you don't want to give your number out to random Internet people though ;-)
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  186. [09:45:20] <mcknut> o_O
  187. [09:46:25] <McNulty> sorry, fell off the chan
  188. [09:47:06] <mcknut> I tried to send you a private message, hope it wasn't that
  189. [09:47:20] <McNulty> I got your ping and replied, did you not see it?
  190. [09:47:27] <McNulty> I'm using Gaim, which I'm not too familiar with
  191. [09:48:01] <mcknut> didn't see it, try again?
  192. [09:48:08] <McNulty> I just PONG'ed
  193. [09:48:15] <McNulty> otherwise email your # to mail@ciaranmcnulty.com
  194. [09:48:43] <mcknut> did you get that? so long as you're seeing mine that's all that matters I guess :)
  195. [09:49:17] <McNulty> Oh GOD I just sent it to a stranger
  196. [09:49:28] <McNulty> got the last digit wrong
  197. [09:49:33] <mcknut> lol
  198. [09:49:34] <kapowaz> ah well.
  199. [09:49:35] <kapowaz> heh
  200. [09:49:44] <kapowaz> it's entirely possible that number isn't in use
  201. [09:49:51] <mcknut> yeah
  202. [09:49:59] <mcknut> I don't get a lot of wrong numbers on my phone if that helps
  203. [09:53:08] <McNulty> It'd be cool if phone browsers became uF-aware at some point
  204. [09:53:17] <McNulty> (sent, btw)
  205. [09:54:21] <mcknut> got that
  206. [09:54:41] <mcknut> it worked, and it looks like the file had extension .vcs, not .ics
  207. [09:54:45] <McNulty> aha
  208. [09:55:02] <McNulty> interesting, is that a difference between vCalendar and iCalender?
  209. [09:55:22] <mcknut> I guess so, anyone know what's "best" to use?
  210. [09:55:32] <McNulty> If VCS is more common you could potentially change it...
  211. [09:57:49] <mcknut> yeah, definitely, or if I had to offer "bluetooth .vcs" and "bluetooth .ics" options, though that's less than ideal
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  213. [10:01:10] <jibot> raxor is in southern California, near LA
  214. [10:01:26] <McNulty> iCalendar is basically vCalendar 2.0
  215. [10:01:35] <McNulty> the file extension changed... for some reason.
  216. [10:02:11] <McNulty> I don't know if parsers would have problems seeing iCalendar properties in a .VCS, I'd hope there'd be sensible error-handling for unexpected fields...
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  218. [10:08:18] <mcknut> McNulty: yeah, hopefully
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  220. [10:15:39] <mfbot> [[rest/examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rest/examples&diff=0&oldid=9752 * JasonK * (-12) [http://ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-sayre-atompub-protocol-basic-03.txt ATOM Publishing] -
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  228. [11:07:27] <jibot> drewinthehead is the author of hKit and a developer for Yahoo! Europe
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  230. [11:13:36] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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  234. [12:11:29] <Whiskey_M> 'lo
  235. [12:12:34] <mfbot> [[mailing-lists]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=mailing-lists&diff=0&oldid=9753 * Singpolyma * (+37) new list proposal -
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  238. [12:20:32] <jibot> csarven is Sarven Capadisli and can be found online at http://www.csarven.ca
  239. [12:23:00] <drewinthehead> hi Whiskey_M
  240. [12:23:35] <Whiskey_M> hey Drew, how goes?
  241. [12:23:50] <drewinthehead> not bad, just messing with FF2 RC3
  242. [12:24:43] <Whiskey_M> kind of the same here, just sent a load of work back to the design team because of FF2 problems
  243. [12:26:59] <Whiskey_M> mind you, the two days that leaves to turn the static HTML site into a fully functioning site with all the bells and whistles (news, products, search, links, press releases, jobs, newsletters, etc.), should make for an interesting couple of days
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  246. [12:42:18] <kapowaz> are there a lot of layout changes in FF2? I kind of ignored it under the assumption it was primarily UI-related.
  247. [12:45:08] * kapowaz gives it a go
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  250. [12:46:04] <jibot> briansuda is brian suda of http://suda.co.uk and is at (-0000 GMT) and is author of "Using Microformats" for O'Reilly [http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/microformats/]
  251. [12:46:51] <cbarrett> hey brian
  252. [12:47:54] <briansuda> hello cbarrett
  253. [12:47:57] <briansuda> how are things?
  254. [12:48:23] <cbarrett> good
  255. [12:48:29] <cbarrett> noticed you mentioned hChat in your latest post
  256. [12:49:06] <cbarrett> that looks like a good mockup
  257. [12:49:16] <cbarrett> you should post that on the wiki somewhere
  258. [12:49:18] <briansuda> yeah, it was more about the include-pattern
  259. [12:49:18] <briansuda> did you have a question/thought?
  260. [12:50:03] <cbarrett> thought that it was pretty good.
  261. [12:50:17] <briansuda> that wasn't my example, it was Ben Ward's
  262. [12:50:17] <briansuda> you can certainly add it to the wiki if you want, and cite the mailing-list archive if you want
  263. [12:50:33] <briansuda> or email him and he might have even more info
  264. [12:50:39] <cbarrett> ah
  265. [12:50:49] <cbarrett> ah
  266. [12:51:00] <cbarrett> i hadn' read the original -- it got caught in a mass mark read.
  267. [12:51:08] <cbarrett> happens while travelling.
  268. [12:51:55] <briansuda> :)
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  271. [12:58:48] <jibot> remi is Remi Prevost, a web developper (yeah, that's how we spell "developer" in french) from Quebec and blogs about web stuff at <http://remiprevost.com/>
  272. [13:05:45] * bergie (n=bergie@kone1.tmvvision.finnetcom.net) has joined #microformats
  273. [13:05:45] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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  276. [13:26:07] <jibot> sreynen is Scott Reynen, who makes things at makedatamakesense.com
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  278. [13:28:04] <tommorris> drewinthehead - I've started writing an hReview profile for hKit
  279. [13:28:15] <drewinthehead> that's awesome, tommorris
  280. [13:28:25] <drewinthehead> i should set up some kind of way to aggregate these
  281. [13:31:17] <tommorris> Upload: code/hreview.profile.php.txt (1K) at 2:30:47 PM, 1.783 secs.
  282. [13:31:17] <tommorris> Upload: code/hreview.profile.php.txt (1K) at 2:30:47 PM, 1.783 secs.
  283. [13:31:17] <tommorris> http://hosting.opml.org/tommorris/code/hreview.profile.php.txt
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  285. [13:35:13] <jibot> pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
  286. [13:40:57] <tommorris> Oh, and the way I see it - though it's cool that you can embed, say, hCard inside hCal or hReview, it is important just to get it pulling in all of the microformats first, then build integrated detection later.
  287. [13:41:22] <bergie> drewinthehead: why not use PEAR packaging for hKit? that way different profiles could easily be installed, each as its own pkg
  288. [13:41:31] <drewinthehead> *shudder*
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  290. [13:42:03] * drewinthehead is naturally adverse to PEAR
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  293. [13:42:26] <McNulty> drew - really? Why?
  294. [13:42:40] <tommorris> PEAR is fine, except you then exclude anyone who is on a hosted account.
  295. [13:43:33] <Frederic> in French, the word we pronounce like PEAR (pire) means worst
  296. [13:43:34] <drewinthehead> PEAR tends to be sprawling and bloated. i prefer to hand-pick exactly the pre-rolled functionality i want to drop in
  297. [13:43:47] <bergie> tommorris: PEAR packages are just tarballs with some metadata, so they can be installed just like any other zip/tar file
  298. [13:44:19] <tommorris> Oh right. The current solution seems fine though - just a PHP file for each microformat.
  299. [13:44:35] <drewinthehead> i think ideally we could just have everyone post their profiles to their own sites and tag it 'hkitprofile' or similar
  300. [13:44:40] <drewinthehead> and then aggregate.
  301. [13:45:29] <bergie> if hKit was PEAR-packaged, I could just add it as a dependency to Midgard... the current way I'd need to bundle it instead (like we do already with some other non-packaged libs)
  302. [13:46:15] <cbarrett> briansuda: excellent post
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  304. [13:46:42] <tommorris> Any hKit profiles that I make will be del.icio.us-ed
  305. [13:46:57] <drewinthehead> excellent, tommorris
  306. [13:47:18] <mfbot> [[hcard]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=9754 * LeaDeGroot * (+190) addition
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  309. [13:50:18] <cbarrett> briansuda: excellent post!
  310. [13:50:32] <briansuda> cheers, that sucked-up the last 30 minutes
  311. [13:51:01] <bergie> anyway, hKit looks very promising. I wish to have time to experiment with it and subscribing remote contacts into our CRM app
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  313. [13:51:30] <drewinthehead> awesome .. it's great to see it getting some traction
  314. [13:52:06] <tommorris> I'm putting together a microformats to RSS and OPML converter.
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  318. [13:54:32] * gsnedders hugs briansuda
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  320. [13:54:40] <gsnedders> what timing…
  321. [13:55:03] <gsnedders> bergie: I'd always tend to bundle PEAR packages, as not doing so assumes PEAR is installed and in the include path
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  324. [13:56:10] <bergie> gsnedders: question of approach, I guess... Midgard needs root access anyway so we're quite happily going with PEAR
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  327. [13:59:40] <jibot> DanC is Dan Connolly http://www.w3.org/People/Connolly/
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  331. [14:05:27] <Frederic> Moi vais aller voir si y'a pas un build récent potable de flock
  332. [14:06:08] <Frederic> oupd
  333. [14:06:12] <Frederic> sorry
  334. [14:06:22] <briansuda> :)
  335. [14:06:50] <Frederic> I had a fscking lag here, and I changed my window without noticing it
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  338. [14:15:34] <rtyler> drats, where's factoryjoe when you need him :P
  339. [14:16:44] <briansuda> it might still be too early for him.
  340. [14:17:13] <Frederic> What time is it in California ?
  341. [14:17:15] <rtyler> heh, I'm sure it is, those bloody west coasters with their "time zones" and such
  342. [14:17:19] <rtyler> 7:20
  343. [14:17:27] <Frederic> Oh, OK
  344. [14:17:37] <Frederic> It's 4:20 pm here
  345. [14:17:48] <rtyler> UK?
  346. [14:18:00] <Frederic> fr
  347. [14:18:10] <mfbot> [[species-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=9755 * AndyMabbett * (+70) Straw man proposal - alternatives (from mailing list)
  348. [14:18:12] <rtyler> bah, same thing (depending on the century ;))
  349. [14:20:56] <mfbot> [[species-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=9756 * AndyMabbett * (+1) Straw man proposal -
  350. [14:22:48] <cbarrett> it's 7:20am here
  351. [14:22:54] * cbarrett is in SFO for the time being
  352. [14:29:22] <Frederic> Maybe I'll move there when my wife has finished her studies. It's too hard to create your own company in France.
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  354. [14:32:18] <jibot> vmarks is in NC
  355. [14:37:09] <kapowaz> Spock!
  356. [14:37:11] <kapowaz> It's solid beef!
  357. [14:37:13] <kapowaz> baby.
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  379. [16:18:02] <tantek> hello Frederic
  380. [16:18:26] <tantek> what's up with Flock?
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  382. [16:21:08] <tommorris> The mapping of del.icio.us bookmarks to a bookmark menu mostly...
  383. [16:21:20] <Frederic> tantek: I said "I'm going to have a look at a recent build for flock to see how stable it is".
  384. [16:21:39] <Frederic> tommorris: no, he search bar
  385. [16:21:49] <tommorris> I'm just kidding.
  386. [16:21:57] <Frederic> It's the thing I use the most on my browser, with the refresh button
  387. [16:22:32] <Frederic> I've stopped using any other browser (except lynx) because of this feature
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  391. [16:23:45] <jibot> cgriego is Chris Griego (-06:00) and a front-end architect with rd2inc.com
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  395. [16:28:04] <DanC> ooh... ya know... if delicious would capture hCalendar info somehow, that would save me a few seconds per day
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  400. [16:34:04] <jibot> bewest is curious about emerging standards and works for Alexa.com
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  405. [16:41:45] <jibot> mlinksva is Mike Linksvayer and from Creative Commons
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  429. [17:41:36] <bewest> wow
  430. [17:41:56] * bewest is astonished at the number of emails between midnight - 9 am local time
  431. [17:42:03] <bewest> * on the list
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  435. [17:45:05] <bewest> greetings, kingryan
  436. [17:45:13] <jibot> Elzriel is Yo-ho.
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  451. [18:06:30] <jibot> pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
  452. [18:06:48] <inkedmn> jibot: help
  453. [18:06:59] <bewest> ?help
  454. [18:07:06] <inkedmn> what type of bot is that?
  455. [18:07:32] <bewest> JiBot - #JoiIto's bot - http://joi.ito.com/joiwiki/JiBot
  456. [18:07:40] <bewest> inkedmn: commands start with a '?'
  457. [18:07:44] <bewest> inkedmn: try "?help"
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  470. [18:16:02] <kingryan> hi briansuda
  471. [18:16:06] <briansuda> hello
  472. [18:16:07] <kingryan> are you in the UK?
  473. [18:16:10] <briansuda> iceland
  474. [18:16:21] <kingryan> iceland is -0000 GMT?
  475. [18:16:21] <briansuda> what happened to our whereisbot?
  476. [18:16:24] <kingryan> DST?
  477. [18:16:32] <briansuda> or maybe +0000GMT
  478. [18:16:54] <kingryan> dunno, who was running it?
  479. [18:16:56] <briansuda> UK, like the US, is on daylight savings, so they are GMT+1
  480. [18:17:17] <briansuda> ajturnner's bot i think
  481. [18:17:36] <briansuda> have you heard back from RBackman about the HG restructure?
  482. [18:18:02] <kingryan> yeah, I think we reached consensus last week, I just haven't had time to implement it
  483. [18:19:03] <briansuda> not a prob, just let me know if i can help in some way
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  487. [18:38:46] * kingryan has 87 unread uf-discuss articles. busy weekend
  488. [18:39:40] <mfbot> [[hresume-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hresume-issues&diff=0&oldid=9757 * Fantasai * (-30) Issues - address is not an inline element
  489. [18:40:21] <bewest> kingryan: yeah... incredibly busy
  490. [18:40:40] <kingryan> less talk, more rock, please
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  493. [18:40:51] <bewest> even between 12 and 9am this morning there was a lot of activity
  494. [18:40:59] <bewest> kingryan: actually there's been a lot of rocking
  495. [18:41:06] <kingryan> I know :D
  496. [18:41:17] <kingryan> I'm just saying that all the talk gets in the way of my rock
  497. [18:42:08] <bewest> kingryan: some rocking the boat, as well: there are some terms that we have been assuming everyone knows
  498. [18:42:15] <bewest> such as publishing behaviour
  499. [18:42:17] <bewest> scope of microformats
  500. [18:42:20] <bewest> metadata
  501. [18:42:36] <bewest> we've been operating under very convenient mindshare
  502. [18:42:48] <kingryan> right, which was by design
  503. [18:42:52] <bewest> the community might be expanding to a point where implicit mindshare is insufficient
  504. [18:43:08] <kingryan> most haven't noticed, but we've purposedly retarded growth of the community some times
  505. [18:43:17] <bewest> ah
  506. [18:43:29] <bewest> well, it's becoming apparent
  507. [18:43:32] <kingryan> right, but now it's not just me, tantek and kevin
  508. [18:43:40] <kingryan> we have help now
  509. [18:43:43] * kingryan looks at bewest
  510. [18:43:49] <bewest> there are two active threads that are disputing these terms
  511. [18:43:52] <bewest> <.<
  512. [18:43:53] <bewest> >.>
  513. [18:44:07] <kingryan> right, which is a challenge
  514. [18:44:17] <bewest> yeah, I need to step back and relax.... it's a good thing to get them defined
  515. [18:44:22] <kingryan> because those of use with the most influence are stretched pretty thin
  516. [18:44:34] <bewest> mindshare is so convenient though
  517. [18:45:47] * bewest needs to get his computing environment together so he can start help gardening the creators in hg
  518. [18:46:25] * bewest wishes there was a way to more easily garden wikis using his favorite tools (hg, vim, diff, grep etc...)
  519. [18:46:28] <kingryan> what are you missing?
  520. [18:46:38] <bewest> in terms of computing?
  521. [18:46:49] <kingryan> yeah
  522. [18:46:54] <kingryan> hg's easy to install
  523. [18:47:14] <bewest> the whole environment needs to come together... right now it's all pieces
  524. [18:47:24] <bewest> I have a work laptop, a virtual dedicated host and a dedicated host
  525. [18:47:29] <bewest> and access to two other websites
  526. [18:47:31] <bewest> it's just a big mess
  527. [18:47:44] <bewest> the dedicated and virtual dedicated aren't properly set up yet
  528. [18:47:57] <bewest> and I don't really have a home machine I'm comfortable with
  529. [18:48:03] <bewest> considering getting a mac laptop or something
  530. [18:48:17] <bewest> work laptop should be for work, especially since I use it for real development at work
  531. [18:48:22] <bewest> don't want anything to happen to it
  532. [18:48:47] <bewest> maybe I'm just being too picky though :-)
  533. [18:48:56] * bewest tries to get sustainable computing environments
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  535. [18:57:04] <kingryan> I think you're being too picky
  536. [18:57:36] <kingryan> by the time you get your computing environment "just right", there'll be new and better tools to use
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  538. [18:58:29] <jibot> Phae is Frances Berriman of http://www.fberriman.com/
  539. [19:01:55] <kingryan> hi Phae
  540. [19:02:01] <kingryan> did you get the blog thing figured out?
  541. [19:02:29] <Phae> hello. no. haven't had a chance to get back to do that yet. I will now :)
  542. [19:04:41] <bewest> kingryan: better than vim and python?
  543. [19:04:52] <Phae> I assume .figure is the intended class to use
  544. [19:05:07] <bewest> kingryan: btw, I don't see my todo notes being styled on the wiki
  545. [19:05:10] <kingryan> Phae: I don't know without going and looking at the markup
  546. [19:05:28] <bewest> but... is anyone using that besides me?
  547. [19:05:29] <Phae> I'll try it :) Its not like I do this for a living or anything.
  548. [19:05:41] <Phae> Have to let people know it's available?
  549. [19:05:48] <kingryan> bewest: I don't know
  550. [19:05:57] <mfbot> [[species-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-examples&diff=0&oldid=9758 * AndyMabbett * (+1070) three types
  551. [19:06:23] <mfbot> [[species-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-examples&diff=0&oldid=9759 * AndyMabbett * (-3) Types of publishers - fix
  552. [19:07:24] <Phae> grr.
  553. [19:07:29] <mfbot> [[species-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-examples&diff=0&oldid=9760 * AndyMabbett * (+141) Types of publishers - label links
  554. [19:07:33] <Phae> It strips out the class
  555. [19:07:47] <tantek> should we start a /wiki/wordpress-issues page?
  556. [19:07:57] <tantek> for issues specific to wordpress / microformats ?
  557. [19:09:00] <mfbot> [[species-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-examples&diff=0&oldid=9761 * AndyMabbett * (+4) Types of publishers - clarify
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  559. [19:11:28] <Phae> tantek; Do you happen to know why I can't add class names or styles to posts on the uF blog?
  560. [19:12:12] <tantek> Phae, probably due to Wordpress filtering out class names and styles in post bodies
  561. [19:12:18] <tantek> hence my comment above
  562. [19:13:13] <Phae> oh sorry. My interweb is being slightly... laggy
  563. [19:13:30] <Phae> and wordpress does that? Must be something the newer versions do, since I don't have that problem.
  564. [19:13:43] <tantek> hmm... or perhaps its a configuration option?
  565. [19:14:01] <Phae> maybe? You've had images floated to the side before. That's all I'm trying to do!
  566. [19:14:50] <tantek> where's factoryjoe? that's his pet peeve. ease of inserting images into blog posts that float left or right...
  567. [19:15:41] <Phae> In the styles you've got a class called figure that looks like it's been put there exactly for that job
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  570. [19:18:01] <jibot> drewinthehead is the author of hKit and a developer for Yahoo! Europe
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  573. [19:19:38] <drewinthehead> hey Phae
  574. [19:19:39] <Phae> gah. sorry
  575. [19:19:41] <Phae> stupid internet
  576. [19:19:43] <Phae> hi drew
  577. [19:20:09] <kingryan> Phae: try adjusting your preferences in WP on 'markup cleaning'
  578. [19:20:35] <bewest> specifially to not do attempt any "cleaning"? ;-)
  579. [19:21:04] <Phae> Unless I'm blind... I don't have that option
  580. [19:21:13] <Phae> The only personal option I have is for rich text, which is off anyway.
  581. [19:21:29] <kingryan> really? ick
  582. [19:21:47] <Phae> mmhm
  583. [19:22:06] <kingryan> hmm, try and see if you have the option now
  584. [19:22:35] <kingryan> I think it's in http://microformats.org/wordpress/wp-admin/options-writing.php
  585. [19:23:13] <Phae> newp
  586. [19:23:18] <Phae> You do not have sufficient permissions to access this page.
  587. [19:23:50] <kingryan> this is annoying
  588. [19:23:55] <Phae> I know.
  589. [19:24:03] <kingryan> can you give me an example that isn't working?
  590. [19:24:15] <Phae> go look at the entry in draft in management
  591. [19:24:44] <Phae> I can't stick a class or styles to it - or the link on it
  592. [19:26:04] <kingryan> this is really annoying, because we've obviously gotten it to work before
  593. [19:26:18] <Phae> yep
  594. [19:26:31] <Phae> can you edit it and add it? if so, it's simply my access.
  595. [19:26:52] <kingryan> I don't think so, I edited it and it still didn't show up right
  596. [19:27:01] <Phae> oh.
  597. [19:28:07] <kingryan> it might be based on who owns the article
  598. [19:28:36] <Phae> that's crazy
  599. [19:32:01] <drewinthehead> all your article are belong to us
  600. [19:33:50] <Phae> gggrrr
  601. [19:34:01] <Phae> All this fuss just to stick in a photo.
  602. [19:34:57] <mfbot> [[irc]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=irc&diff=0&oldid=9762 * Fantasai * (+74) Cross-platform - link to irssi+screen tutorial, linux->unix (per irssi.org/about)
  603. [19:37:48] <kingryan> hmm, Phae... so I've edited the post and finally got it to add a img.figure
  604. [19:39:51] <Phae> wow
  605. [19:40:06] <Phae> just hit go. I dare not touch it again incase it removes it :P
  606. [19:41:55] <kingryan> hmm, the post slug is '94', mind if I change it to something better?
  607. [19:42:06] <Phae> whatever you like. i don't know why it's changed to 94
  608. [19:42:25] <kingryan> I think you probably hit 'save' before you entered a title
  609. [19:42:41] <Phae> ah. perhaps! I was doing it whilst "working".
  610. [19:42:44] <Phae> so.. yeah
  611. [19:44:19] <kingryan> cool, I just hit publish
  612. [19:44:31] <kingryan> http://microformats.org/blog/2006/10/23/wsg-hosts-mf-evening/
  613. [19:44:35] <Phae> swish
  614. [19:44:42] <Phae> drew on the front page
  615. [19:44:48] <drewinthehead> wiiiide drew
  616. [19:44:56] <drewinthehead> and tiny Norm
  617. [19:45:21] <kingryan> micronorm
  618. [19:53:02] <bewest> are the names in left to right order?
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  620. [19:55:49] <briansuda> no, they are not left to right
  621. [19:56:11] <briansuda> drewinthehead and adactio (jeremey) should be flipped
  622. [19:57:14] * drewinthehead flipped ages ago
  623. [19:57:54] <gsnedders> my head hurts.
  624. [19:57:59] <gsnedders> too much flipping.
  625. [19:58:01] <bewest> maybe with a note to explain what the order is so we know who's who
  626. [19:58:09] <mcknut> has anyone done XSLT for converting a vcard+geo to kml?
  627. [19:58:10] <bewest> gsnedders: only hurts if you get dropped and hit your head
  628. [19:58:19] <gsnedders> bewest: let me go try that.
  629. [19:58:32] <bewest> mcknut: I think briansuda did something like that
  630. [19:58:43] <mcknut> oh cool
  631. [19:59:39] <mcknut> I'd like to see that in tails export
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  633. [20:01:48] <mcknut> I can do vcard+geo -> bluetooth -> gps software on phone
  634. [20:02:51] <briansuda> http://suda.co.uk/projects/microformats/geo
  635. [20:04:56] <briansuda> i still see the wrong order of names here (http://microformats.org/blog/2006/10/23/wsg-hosts-mf-evening) and 'test' as a caption
  636. [20:05:26] <mcknut> ah thanks
  637. [20:05:29] * kingryan is working on adding a caption
  638. [20:05:42] <kingryan> should be correct now
  639. [20:05:47] <Phae> oh
  640. [20:05:47] <Phae> cool
  641. [20:06:01] <Phae> although mark is usually "Norm!"
  642. [20:06:05] <Phae> it's like a trademark now
  643. [20:08:06] <kingryan> Done!
  644. [20:08:21] <Phae> oh lovely. thanks ryan
  645. [20:08:33] <Phae> is that going to be a pain to reproduce in the future, should i want a pretty image again?
  646. [20:08:57] <kingryan> eh, we'll try and get a better solution
  647. [20:09:11] <Phae> :)
  648. [20:09:16] * kingryan can't keep mr. francis' name straight
  649. [20:11:08] <briansuda> mcknut, there was recently a Bluetooth ActiveX control (http://www.bluetooth.com/Bluetooth/Apply/TransSend/) to take structured data from a page and send it directly to a bluetooth device
  650. [20:11:47] <mcknut> briansuda: that's what gave me the inspiration actually
  651. [20:12:41] <mcknut> dunno if you've seen it but I've hacked bluetooth support into tails export, got a post about it here: http://blog.johnmckerrell.com/2006/10/23/microformats-tails-export-bluetooth/
  652. [20:12:43] <drewinthehead> kingryan: i've responded to your comment on my site
  653. [20:12:55] <drewinthehead> subconscious theft only :(
  654. [20:14:39] <mfbot> [[video-metadata-model]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=video-metadata-model&diff=0&oldid=9763 * BillBest * (+634) Existing Video Metadata Archive Vocabularies -
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  664. [20:35:50] <mfbot> [[species-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-examples&diff=0&oldid=9769 * AndyMabbett * (+50) Quantitative evidence - another half-million
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  682. [21:29:45] <mfbot> [[attention-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=attention-examples&diff=0&oldid=9772 * BenWest * (+345) Implicit Attention - added link to attention trust and their xml spec.
  683. [21:36:54] * bewest wonders if delicious' feeds count as explicit attention
  684. [21:37:51] <mfbot> [[attention-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=attention-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=9773 * AndyMabbett * (+14) link
  685. [21:38:17] <mfbot> [[attention-formats]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=attention-formats&diff=0&oldid=9774 * AndyMabbett * (+4) link
  686. [21:38:38] <mfbot> [[attention-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=attention-examples&diff=0&oldid=9775 * AndyMabbett * (+4) link
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  688. [21:45:53] <jibot> briansuda is brian suda of http://suda.co.uk and is at (-0000 GMT) and is author of "Using Microformats" for O'Reilly [http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/microformats/]
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  691. [21:49:55] <mfbot> [[hcard]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=9776 * Caz Mockett * (+97) Examples in the wild -
  692. [21:50:40] <mfbot> [[hcard]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=9777 * Caz Mockett * (+7) Examples in the wild -
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  697. [22:30:59] <daggi> evenin'
  698. [22:31:09] <daggi> well, very late evening, actually
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  700. [22:33:23] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  706. [22:44:22] <daggi> :{
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  709. [22:54:52] <jibot> briansuda is brian suda of http://suda.co.uk and is at (-0000 GMT) and is author of "Using Microformats" for O'Reilly [http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/microformats/]
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  719. [23:14:40] <SuperPhly> wow, big chan
  720. [23:14:51] <tantek> welcome SuperPhly
  721. [23:15:08] <_psychic_> you've just made it bigger. :)
  722. [23:15:12] <SuperPhly> hey man, i don't know if you remember me or not, but we had lunch at sxsw
  723. [23:15:31] <SuperPhly> i was with matt herzberger and erica o'grady
  724. [23:15:52] <SuperPhly> i didn't realize the web guys even used IRC still...
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  726. [23:19:34] <mfbot> [[irc-people]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=irc-people&diff=0&oldid=9778 * SuperPhly * (+43)
  727. [23:19:45] <mfbot> [[irc-people]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=irc-people&diff=0&oldid=9779 * SuperPhly * (+0)
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  731. [23:21:10] <tantek> IRC is the new black
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