IRC Log for #microformats on 2006-10-24

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  23. [00:31:20] <bewest> http://bewest.wordpress.com/2006/10/24/idea-todo-semantic-web-date-selector/ microformat informed date selector
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  41. [02:28:47] <jibot> cgriego is Chris Griego (-06:00) and a front-end architect with rd2inc.com
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  46. [02:48:11] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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  52. [03:43:46] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  60. [05:09:48] <Frederic> Morning
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  68. [06:02:17] <jibot> Jedi_ is Jedi <http://Jedi.org/> ( 08:00) and working at Creative Commons Taiwan <http://creativecommons.org.tw/>
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  70. [06:10:27] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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  76. [07:08:21] <jibot> csarven is Sarven Capadisli and can be found online at http://www.csarven.ca
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  78. [07:10:38] <jibot> bengee is Benjamin Nowack (http://bnode.org/)
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  82. [07:56:03] <jibot> McNulty is Ciaran McNulty (http://ciaranmcnulty.com)
  83. [08:00:31] <mfbot> [[species-examples-regrouped]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-examples-regrouped&diff=0&oldid=9780 * SXBRC * (+626) West Midland Bird Club -
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  85. [08:01:59] <jibot> trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and helps with www.multipack.co.uk
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  87. [08:05:05] <jibot> danja is Danny Ayers, http://dannyayers.com
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  89. [08:14:07] <mfbot> [[species-examples-regrouped]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-examples-regrouped&diff=0&oldid=9781 * SXBRC * (+726)
  90. [08:17:28] <mfbot> [[species-examples-regrouped]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-examples-regrouped&diff=0&oldid=9782 * CharlesRoper * (+35) WildRye.info -
  91. [08:17:59] <mfbot> [[species-examples-regrouped]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-examples-regrouped&diff=0&oldid=9783 * CharlesRoper * (-8) WildRye.info -
  92. [08:18:10] <mfbot> [[species-examples-regrouped]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-examples-regrouped&diff=0&oldid=9784 * CharlesRoper * (-1) WildRye.info -
  93. [08:22:12] <mcknut> McNulty: morning, did you try the tails export on your mac last night?
  94. [08:23:16] <McNulty> I'm afraid I didn't, I went out last night instead.
  95. [08:23:22] <McNulty> Will tonight though ;-)
  96. [08:23:41] <mfbot> [[species-examples-regrouped]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-examples-regrouped&diff=0&oldid=9785 * CharlesRoper * (+25) WildRye.info -
  97. [08:25:35] <mcknut> hehe, fair enough
  98. [08:26:26] <mcknut> I heard from someone who couldn't import the vcards into his nokia, but we couldn't figure out why, he had some that it would accept but there wasn't much difference between them
  99. [08:27:30] <McNulty> hmmm
  100. [08:27:39] <McNulty> .ICS?
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  102. [08:28:48] <mcknut> do you mean could he import them? not sure, he didn't say
  103. [08:29:08] <mfbot> [[species-examples-regrouped]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-examples-regrouped&diff=0&oldid=9786 * AndyMabbett * (+420) WildRye.info - em, i, or style?
  104. [08:29:24] <McNulty> I meant you didn't change it to save them as VCS or anything yet
  105. [08:30:34] <mfbot> [[species-examples-regrouped]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-examples-regrouped&diff=0&oldid=9787 * AndyMabbett * (+65) WildRye.info - stong, bold or styles?
  106. [08:31:07] <mcknut> ah right, no this was the vcards, not the ical stuff, so different to my problem
  107. [08:31:15] <mfbot> [[species-examples-regrouped]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-examples-regrouped&diff=0&oldid=9788 * AndyMabbett * (+21) WildRye.info - heavier-font-weight
  108. [08:31:18] <McNulty> aaah right
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  111. [09:21:13] <Ronnos> Goede morgen heren
  112. [09:23:19] <Ronnos> ?def Ronnos is Ron Kok, a friendly student Communication & Multimedia Design in The Netherlands
  113. [09:23:19] <jibot> Ronnos is Ron Kok, a friendly student Communication and Multimedia Design in The Netherlands
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  117. [09:34:51] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
  118. [09:37:48] <mfbot> [[User:Ronnos]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User:Ronnos&diff=0&oldid=9789 * Ronnos * (+63)
  119. [09:42:34] <mfbot> [[irc-people]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=irc-people&diff=0&oldid=9790 * Ronnos * (+34)
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  123. [10:01:19] <jibot> drewinthehead is the author of hKit and a developer for Yahoo! Europe
  124. [10:03:37] <drewinthehead> admins: link to Bots is incorrect in the topic .. should be http://microformats.org/wiki/irc#Bots
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  126. [10:15:13] <Ronnos> any Dutch uF fans ?
  127. [10:21:24] <Ronnos> ... raise your hand :)
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  131. [10:40:21] <mfbot> [[chat-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=chat-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=9791 * Ben Ward * (+453) Using paragraphs to represent chat messages – Added references to WhatWG OL-for-dialogue discussion and Eric Meyer's blog on dialogue mark-up -
  132. [10:40:37] <mfbot> [[chat-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=chat-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=9792 * Ben Ward * (+28) Using paragraphs to represent chat messages -
  133. [10:41:13] <mfbot> [[chat-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=chat-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=9793 * Ben Ward * (+26) Using paragraphs to represent chat messages – Sorry, left off username in comment -
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  135. [10:50:12] <jibot> McNulty is Ciaran McNulty (http://ciaranmcnulty.com)
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  139. [10:54:59] <jibot> csarven is Sarven Capadisli and can be found online at http://www.csarven.ca
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  142. [11:02:26] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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  146. [11:18:06] <mfbot> [[species-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=9794 * AndyMabbett * (+252) Straw man proposal - furtehr development
  147. [11:20:46] <mfbot> [[species-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=9795 * AndyMabbett * (+108) Straw man proposal - define "rank"; offer "binomial" as altenative
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  149. [11:27:11] <jibot> gsnedders is a 14 year old idiot from Scotland and pretends to have a website at http://geoffers.uni.cc/
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  151. [11:36:03] <mfbot> [[mailing-lists]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=mailing-lists&diff=0&oldid=9796 * AndyMabbett * (-2412) move oting to own page
  152. [11:36:24] <mfbot> [[mailing-lists-proposals proposals for a new mailing list]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/mailing-lists-proposals_proposals_for_a_new_mailing_list * AndyMabbett * (+2623) moved
  153. [11:36:45] <mfbot> [[mailing-lists]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=mailing-lists&diff=0&oldid=9797 * AndyMabbett * (+0) |
  154. [11:37:26] <mfbot> [[mailing-lists-proposals proposals for a new mailing list]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=mailing-lists-proposals_proposals_for_a_new_mailing_list&diff=0&oldid=0 * AndyMabbett * (+2623) mailing-lists-proposals proposals for a new mailing list moved to mailing-lists-proposals
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  158. [11:38:45] <jibot> briansuda is brian suda of http://suda.co.uk and is at (-0000 GMT) and is author of "Using Microformats" for O'Reilly [http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/microformats/]
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  162. [11:44:12] <mfbot> [[mailing-lists-proposals]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=mailing-lists-proposals&diff=0&oldid=9798 * AndyMabbett * (+868) Comment: list for each new uF proposal
  163. [11:47:53] <mfbot> [[mailing-lists-proposals]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=mailing-lists-proposals&diff=0&oldid=9799 * AndyMabbett * (+6) Andy Mabbett - tweak
  164. [11:48:14] <mfbot> [[mailing-lists-proposals]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=mailing-lists-proposals&diff=0&oldid=9800 * AndyMabbett * (+1) Andy Mabbett - para break
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  167. [12:04:40] <kapowaz> ?def kapowaz is Ben Darlow, a web developer in London who writes stuff at http://kapowaz.net/
  168. [12:04:40] <jibot> kapowaz is Ben Darlow, a web developer in London who writes stuff at http://kapowaz.net/
  169. [12:04:54] <kapowaz> mmhmm.
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  171. [12:06:37] <jibot> BenWard is Ben Ward of http://ben-ward.co.uk (+0000/+0100 GMT)
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  173. [12:09:31] <kapowaz> afternoon Ben
  174. [12:11:44] <BenWard> Hello
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  257. [17:47:05] <jibot> McNulty is Ciaran McNulty (http://ciaranmcnulty.com)
  258. [17:47:24] <McNulty> hi
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  261. [17:52:18] <McNulty> mcknut - just trying your firefox extension
  262. [17:52:49] <mcknut> yeah? work for you?
  263. [17:53:45] <McNulty> ehm, no
  264. [17:53:56] <mcknut> bummer, it what way?
  265. [17:54:00] <McNulty> I get the file (export.vcf)
  266. [17:54:16] <McNulty> It has a go at importing it, but it says:
  267. [17:54:36] <McNulty> "Unable to open. Object type not supported"
  268. [17:54:44] <mfbot> [[mailing-lists-proposals]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=mailing-lists-proposals&diff=0&oldid=9803 * AndyMabbett * (+1) Andy Mabbett - sp.
  269. [17:54:48] <McNulty> which is basically an unknown file extension error
  270. [17:54:49] <mcknut> on your phone?
  271. [17:55:05] <mcknut> i.e. not in addressbook
  272. [17:55:44] <McNulty> Hm.
  273. [17:55:50] <McNulty> On the phone
  274. [17:56:11] <McNulty> I just exported a vcard from Address Book as a .vcf and sent it to the mobile, and it imported fine.
  275. [17:56:34] <mcknut> right, this has been reported by someone else actually
  276. [17:56:45] <mcknut> what phone you on?
  277. [17:56:51] <McNulty> Nokia n70
  278. [17:57:04] <McNulty> it's a series 60 phone, I'd expect lots of others in that family to have the same problem
  279. [17:57:58] <McNulty> Is there a way of getting Tails Export to actually save the .vcf so I can have a look at it? It seems to auto-import into Address Book at the moment
  280. [17:58:05] <mcknut> 'My Nokia 6600 says unable to open message format not supported'
  281. [17:58:20] <mcknut> it's in ~/Library/Caches/TemporaryItems/
  282. [17:58:35] <mfbot> [[species-examples-regrouped]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-examples-regrouped&diff=0&oldid=9804 * AndyMabbett * (+286) WildRye.info -
  283. [17:58:46] <McNulty> 6600 is the same OS
  284. [17:58:54] <mcknut> right, thought it might be
  285. [17:59:45] <McNulty> I've got that open and one from Address Book next to it
  286. [18:00:20] <McNulty> Both Version 3.0
  287. [18:00:31] <McNulty> It's hard to see what's wrong, without knowing loads about Vcard :-/
  288. [18:01:09] <mcknut> heh, well, Stuart (Colville, of muffinresearch.co.uk) told me he tried copying the content from one to the other and it still wouldn't work
  289. [18:01:33] <McNulty> I'll try importing and then exporting again
  290. [18:01:38] <McNulty> er, from Address Book
  291. [18:01:42] <mcknut> aye
  292. [18:03:32] <McNulty> hm, as an aside, there appear to be some charset issues
  293. [18:04:01] <McNulty> Exporting Tantek's vCard from Tantek.com buggers up his surname when it gets to Address Book
  294. [18:07:34] <mcknut> yeah, I've seen that too
  295. [18:07:54] <McNulty> ok...
  296. [18:08:23] <McNulty> I just got a test vcard that failed to import direct from tails, imported it into AB, exported it and sent it as a file and it imported fine
  297. [18:09:11] <McNulty> hm, lots of differences
  298. [18:11:47] <McNulty> What's the minimal vCard?
  299. [18:11:56] <McNulty> N and FN?
  300. [18:12:29] <mcknut> hmm.. possibly not even both of them, could be just fn
  301. [18:12:44] <McNulty> I'm looking at the card that won't import, in vi
  302. [18:12:51] <McNulty> And I've trimmed it to just N and FN
  303. [18:12:57] <McNulty> and it *still* won't import
  304. [18:13:04] <mcknut> where did you get tantek's from?
  305. [18:13:05] <McNulty> Maybe it's a line ending issue
  306. [18:13:11] <McNulty> tantek.com
  307. [18:13:17] <McNulty> It's one of the 5 billion on that page
  308. [18:13:20] <mcknut> heh
  309. [18:13:26] <mcknut> (or 27 ;p)
  310. [18:13:51] <McNulty> I'm currently messing around with http://test.ciaranmcnulty.com/test-vcard.php
  311. [18:14:08] <mcknut> I'm trying X2V to see if that handles it any better, but I can't find his entry now
  312. [18:14:19] <mcknut> ah, got it
  313. [18:14:44] <McNulty> I'm trying to remember how to change line ending styles in vi
  314. [18:15:18] <McNulty> It's definitely a Nokia quirk rather than a problem with your bluetooth script
  315. [18:15:24] <mcknut> hmm.. I'd generally use something like dos2unix, or perl -p -i -e 's/\r/\n/g'
  316. [18:15:59] <mcknut> hmm.. used X2V , pulled out his entry, imported it to addressbook and my phone without problems
  317. [18:16:15] <McNulty> I don't appear to have dos2unix
  318. [18:16:34] <mcknut> can you tell from hexdump what endings each files using?
  319. [18:16:34] <McNulty> i was trying to compare the AB-exported card with the original from tAils, but AB appears to completely change it
  320. [18:16:45] <McNulty> pass ;-)
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  322. [18:16:58] <mcknut> I just downloaded a gui hex editor to play with
  323. [18:17:10] <McNulty> I'm looking at the hexdump output
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  326. [18:19:13] <mcknut> actually, this program has a "compare files" thing which might be useful
  327. [18:19:21] <mcknut> got too many chats going on at once tho :)
  328. [18:23:17] <McNulty> changing the line endings from UNIX (\n) to windows (\r\n) in a handy text editor did the trick
  329. [18:23:29] <McNulty> card imports fine now
  330. [18:23:42] <mcknut> can you try using a card from X2V? that should also fail for you
  331. [18:23:52] <McNulty> sure
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  333. [18:25:18] <McNulty> it does indeed fail
  334. [18:25:23] <mcknut> good :)
  335. [18:25:58] <McNulty> heh
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  337. [18:26:04] <mcknut> right, and I can see that the one output by addressbook not only has \r\n but is also unicode (I think)
  338. [18:26:23] <McNulty> where's an appropriate place to document this on the wiki, I wonder
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  340. [18:27:00] <mcknut> "that one with two bytes per characters", I can't do character sets
  341. [18:27:19] <McNulty> heh
  342. [18:27:27] <McNulty> there isn't one that strictly fits that ;-)
  343. [18:27:41] <mcknut> indeed, as far as tails export goes, I don't want to be making too many changes, it's not my extension after all, but knowing the requirements for vCards could be useful generally
  344. [18:27:58] <mcknut> UTF16 I think
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  346. [18:29:00] <mcknut> wonder if the next WSG night on i12n will help me with that
  347. [18:30:12] <mcknut> wherever this should go in the wiki is probably where we need to put the bit about .ics vs .vcs too (or a similar location too)
  348. [18:30:33] <McNulty> There's a vcard-implementations page with a few problems noted
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  350. [18:32:17] <mfbot> [[vcard-implementations]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=vcard-implementations&diff=0&oldid=9805 * CiaranMc * (+227) Notes on Nokia phone compatibility with vcards
  351. [18:32:36] <McNulty> tah dah
  352. [18:32:57] <tommorris> As far as I can see, the best thing about hCard is that it isn't vCard- because vCards SUCK enormously.
  353. [18:33:22] <mcknut> heh
  354. [18:33:24] <kingryan> vcard is not the best documented or most interoperable format, that's for sure
  355. [18:33:39] <mcknut> McNulty: dunno if you want to add your name to the list of contributors on that page
  356. [18:34:02] <McNulty> yeah hopefully in future, to send a contact to someone's handset you'd send them a URL and their phone would retrieve the rest ;-)
  357. [18:34:06] <McNulty> mcknut - good poin
  358. [18:34:30] <McNulty> actually, maybe not
  359. [18:35:11] <mcknut> yeah, microformat support on the phone itself, there's a project
  360. [18:36:25] * bewest thinks you'd need better web support in general
  361. [18:36:27] <McNulty> vcard seems to have the problem that you need to really tailor the output format to the app you're going to import it into
  362. [18:36:27] <bewest> first
  363. [18:36:48] <McNulty> bewest - You can get Opera for mobiles, and it's pretty feature complete. Nokia's new browser is part based on Webkit I think
  364. [18:37:03] <McNulty> it's just there's not really a way of hooking into this stuff
  365. [18:39:12] <bewest> hmmm
  366. [18:39:24] <bewest> well nokia's open source platform supports dbus I think
  367. [18:39:28] <bewest> which is kind of neat
  368. [18:39:31] <bewest> maemo stuff
  369. [18:41:43] <McNulty> dbus?
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  371. [18:43:53] <bewest> a way to do IPC... which means you could provide daemons on the machine to take care of certain things
  372. [18:44:08] <bewest> like synchronizing calendars, events, contact info...
  373. [18:44:24] <bewest> this daemon could be smart about microformats, and know how to consume and re-publish them to the web....
  374. [18:44:26] <kingryan> IPC = interprocess communication
  375. [18:44:41] <bewest> which means any application on the phone that wants to take advantage of that kind of information doesn't need to do all the work itself
  376. [18:44:47] <bewest> it can simply call out to this daemon using dbus
  377. [18:46:43] <McNulty> aha
  378. [18:47:45] <McNulty> right, got to go
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  381. [18:55:38] <mfbot> [[species]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species&diff=0&oldid=9806 * AndyMabbett * (+209) Introduction - a remarkable co-incidence
  382. [19:00:24] <mfbot> [[species]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species&diff=0&oldid=9807 * AndyMabbett * (+53) Introduction - citation
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  386. [19:02:23] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  389. [19:14:53] <jibot> drewinthehead is the author of hKit and a developer for Yahoo! Europe
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  395. [19:29:19] <mcknut> can anyone suggest a place that definitely uses relative urls in their vcard logos?
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  397. [19:32:26] <drewinthehead> you'll need a lower traffic site, mcknut.
  398. [19:32:55] <drewinthehead> everywhere busy will be serving images from a different domain
  399. [19:33:04] <mcknut> I was sure someone commented on it the other day, but it might have been msn
  400. [19:34:28] <mcknut> apparently I have no instance of the word 'relative' in my entire IM logs
  401. [19:34:40] * DanC just answered a "so what are microformats?" question from a reporter from http://www.internetnews.com/ , following up on the GRDDL/microformats press release http://www.w3.org/2006/10/grddl-pressrelease
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  403. [19:51:50] <tantek> DanC, that's great!
  404. [19:57:51] <mcknut> fyi, noticed a typo on the implementations wiki page - microforamt. Also the Web Essentials site seems broken, and as far as I can see, the university of bath no longer support microformats
  405. [19:59:03] <drewinthehead> mcknut: it's a wiki ... :)
  406. [19:59:20] <drewinthehead> feel free to fix broken stuff
  407. [20:00:01] <mcknut> oh, I didn't thnk it was an open wiki
  408. [20:00:27] <bewest> mcknut: you'll need a UserName
  409. [20:00:31] <drewinthehead> sure ... just create yourself a user name (InThisCaseStyle)
  410. [20:00:35] <mcknut> oh, heh, saw the login link but no register link so assumed
  411. [20:00:50] <mcknut> McKNut counts doesn't it?
  412. [20:01:03] <bewest> yeah, probably
  413. [20:01:17] <mfbot> [[species-examples-regrouped]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-examples-regrouped&diff=0&oldid=9808 * AndyMabbett * (-32) UK Moths - rm. empty box
  414. [20:02:07] <mcknut> right, I'll get on it then
  415. [20:03:16] <bewest> Andy: yeah, not sure how that happened
  416. [20:03:25] * bewest shrugs
  417. [20:04:05] * bewest just subconsciously thought it'd be handy to have an empty box... you know: just in case
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  419. [20:05:14] <mfbot> [[species]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species&diff=0&oldid=9809 * AndyMabbett * (+9) Introduction - in full
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  425. [20:07:49] <mfbot> [[implementations]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=implementations&diff=0&oldid=9810 * McKNut * (-380) Typo fix, Uni of Bath no longer support vcard and Web Essentials is now offline
  426. [20:10:39] * DanC considers trying hAtom on http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/
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  428. [20:30:51] <mfbot> [[press]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=press&diff=0&oldid=9811 * PaulD * (+78) October -
  429. [20:33:52] <mfbot> [[species]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species&diff=0&oldid=9812 * CyndyParr * (+89) Contributors -
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  431. [21:04:14] <cgriego> would I be correct in assuming that parsers will simply ignore any include-patterns they cannot resolve?
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  435. [21:14:51] <tantek> mcknut, instead of removing implementations that are broken/regressed, we should document them in a separate section, in the hopes that we can get them fixed
  436. [21:18:27] <tommorris> Eek! include-pattern scares the living daylights out of me.
  437. [21:19:32] <tommorris> Oh, wait, Drew's parser handles them. Panic over.
  438. [21:19:57] <drewinthehead> (phew)
  439. [21:20:15] <tantek> don't worry tom, we gut checked it with a couple of implementations
  440. [21:20:24] <tantek> BrianSuda also implemented it a bit
  441. [21:20:32] <tantek> enough to make sure that it wasn't too bad
  442. [21:21:32] <tommorris> I think the wiki needs a page that basically contains content of the sort "if you're gonna parse microformats, here are the things you ought to get working".
  443. [21:21:49] <tantek> tommorris, it depends on the microformat
  444. [21:22:02] <tantek> if you want to start with hCard, there is hcard-parsing
  445. [21:22:33] <mcknut> tantek: sure, er.. where? just further down the page?
  446. [21:24:21] <tantek> perhaps a "Needs Fixing" section just above "Other"
  447. [21:24:43] <tantek> and perhaps indicate for each one the date that it was noticed that it was broken
  448. [21:24:47] <tantek> and what the problem is
  449. [21:25:51] <mcknut> ok, I'll probably whack that in in a sec
  450. [21:26:01] <tantek> that would be great
  451. [21:26:02] <tantek> thanks!
  452. [21:26:32] <mcknut> got a new version of my tails export to upload first, now works on nokia phones (line endings fixed) and my phone (changed .ics to .vcs, bit of a hack, hope it doesn't break anything)
  453. [21:26:50] <tantek> wow - any idea if it will work with a blackberry?
  454. [21:28:02] <mcknut> er.. no idea, but please try it out
  455. [21:28:06] <mcknut> assuming you can
  456. [21:29:15] <mcknut> but give me a sec to upload first
  457. [21:34:53] <mcknut> http://www.johnmckerrell.com/files/tailsexport-0.3.1-jmck2.xpi
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  461. [22:01:21] <mfbot> [[implementations]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=implementations&diff=0&oldid=9813 * McKNut * (+713) Added the University of Bath and Web Essentials under "Needs Fixing"
  462. [22:07:02] <mfbot> [[implementations]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=implementations&diff=0&oldid=9814 * AndyMabbett * (-1) Restore UoB. See http://www.bath.ac.uk/person/760874
  463. [22:07:08] <mfbot> [[implementations]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=implementations&diff=0&oldid=9815 * AndyMabbett * (-102) Restore UoB. See http://www.bath.ac.uk/person/760874
  464. [22:09:45] <mcknut> oops, sorry
  465. [22:23:08] <tantek> ah - but good point - it is not obvious, so that URL to a specific person should be in the implementation listing - so the same mistake isn't made again
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  467. [22:40:00] <mfbot> [[implementations]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=implementations&diff=0&oldid=9816 * Tantek * (+66) added example UoB page in order to make it more obvious where the hCard support is
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  474. [23:11:28] <jibot> bkdelong is B.K. DeLong, Head Research Analyst for HALO Worldwide - http://www.haloworldwide.com. Web: http://www.brain-stream.com. Email: bkdelong@pobox.com and lives in Salem, MA, USA (-5:00 GMT)
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