IRC Log for #microformats on 2006-11-05

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  1. [00:03:43] <mfbot> [[faq-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=faq-fr&diff=0&oldid=10017 * ChristopheDucamp * (+1520) Q : ''Comment je valide mon contenu de microformat ?'' -
  2. [00:10:44] <mfbot> [[faq-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=faq-fr&diff=0&oldid=10018 * ChristopheDucamp * (+296) Créer et Suggérer de Nouveaux Microformats -
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  7. [00:29:57] <mfbot> [[xoxo-faq-fr]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/xoxo-faq-fr * ChristopheDucamp * (+4911) translation to be continued
  8. [00:30:23] <mfbot> [[xoxo-faq-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=xoxo-faq-fr&diff=0&oldid=10019 * ChristopheDucamp * (+1) Je ne comprends pas quel est l'avange fourni par xoxo -
  9. [00:31:39] <mfbot> [[faq-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=faq-fr&diff=0&oldid=10020 * ChristopheDucamp * (+1) Sémantique Class -
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  14. [00:48:56] <mfbot> [[hresume-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hresume-fr&diff=0&oldid=10021 * ChristopheDucamp * (+474)
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  18. [01:02:27] <mfbot> [[hresume-issues-fr]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/hresume-issues-fr * ChristopheDucamp * (+2848)
  19. [01:05:54] <mfbot> [[hreview-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hreview-fr&diff=0&oldid=10022 * ChristopheDucamp * (+182) Exemples dans la jungle -
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  21. [01:05:57] <jibot> pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
  22. [01:08:35] <mfbot> [[hreview-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hreview-fr&diff=0&oldid=10023 * ChristopheDucamp * (+95) Pages Apparentées -
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  25. [01:14:21] <mfbot> [[currency-fr]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/currency-fr * ChristopheDucamp * (+1344)
  26. [01:14:47] <mfbot> [[currency-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=currency-fr&diff=0&oldid=10024 * ChristopheDucamp * (+1)
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  28. [01:17:23] <mfbot> [[to-do-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=to-do-fr&diff=0&oldid=10025 * ChristopheDucamp * (-27) [[currency-fr]] et pages apparentées
  29. [01:22:14] <mfbot> [[press-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=press-fr&diff=0&oldid=10026 * ChristopheDucamp * (+844)
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  37. [03:11:47] <mfbot> [[hcalendar]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar&diff=0&oldid=10030 * ScottReynen * (+134) Conversion and Import -
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  48. [05:52:13] <jibot> veeliam is William Lawrence of Quiddities Dev out of Santa Cruz and he does something at http://zaxbypass.com and here and there
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  51. [06:18:23] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  60. [08:48:52] <mfbot> [[how-to-play-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=how-to-play-fr&diff=0&oldid=10031 * ChristopheDucamp * (+48)
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  62. [08:56:58] <jibot> gsnedders is a 14 year old idiot from Scotland and pretends to have a website at http://geoffers.uni.cc/
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  65. [09:01:43] <mfbot> [[introduction-fr]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=introduction-fr&diff=0&oldid=10032 * ChristopheDucamp * (-9758) synchro with introduction
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  69. [09:10:19] <mfbot> [[hcalendar-fr]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar-fr&diff=0&oldid=10033 * ChristopheDucamp * (+147) Conversion et Importation - MySpace Events RSS Creator
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  73. [09:52:24] <jibot> danja is Danny Ayers, http://dannyayers.com
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  77. [11:07:14] <jibot> trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and helps with www.multipack.co.uk
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  82. [11:17:48] <jibot> Phae is Frances Berriman of http://www.fberriman.com/
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  86. [11:54:28] <jibot> trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and helps with www.multipack.co.uk
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  91. [12:34:28] <jibot> briansuda is brian suda of http://suda.co.uk and is at (-0000 GMT) and is author of "Using Microformats" for O'Reilly [http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/microformats/]
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  95. [14:07:28] <jibot> bengee is Benjamin Nowack (http://bnode.org/)
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  97. [14:16:59] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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  100. [15:04:30] <jibot> pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
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  102. [15:09:15] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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  127. [17:30:29] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  129. [17:36:07] * pnhChris hopes siegfried comes around soon
  130. [17:36:46] * pnhChris also notices that there are some really, really, really awful hcard markup living in the examples in the wild section
  131. [17:37:37] <Phae> Move them to the examples with problems?
  132. [17:38:21] <pnhChris> its not that they're wrong per se, its that they're 'wrong'
  133. [17:38:25] <pnhChris> :P
  134. [17:39:42] <Phae> Still.. nothing wrong with annotating the entries to describe why they're maybe "bad practice".
  135. [17:41:11] <pnhChris> i was thinking more along the lines of an article on the topic... or something of that nature rather then going through all the examples individually to screen them
  136. [17:41:16] <pnhChris> but something needs to be done
  137. [17:41:54] <Phae> Start something off then - outline your main concerns- we'll pad it out
  138. [17:43:07] <tantek> Chris, when you see examples with problems or with things they could improve, go ahead and add a short comment as a nested list item under the example in the list
  139. [17:43:31] <tantek> it helps everyone learn from the examples
  140. [17:43:39] <tantek> in terms of good and not as good practices
  141. [17:44:40] <pnhChris> yeah
  142. [17:44:50] <pnhChris> its more wishy washy
  143. [17:44:54] <tantek> even just a short comment of what comes to mind is totally fine
  144. [17:44:54] <pnhChris> i guess
  145. [17:44:56] <pnhChris> in some cases
  146. [17:45:08] <tantek> other folks will notice and tweak / add more detail etc.
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  148. [17:50:45] <tantek> Chris - your two most recent class="url" emails should be added as answers to the hCard FAQ
  149. [17:51:39] <tantek> in particular, we need to clarify that class="url" means, this URL is *a* URL for the hCard that it is inside
  150. [17:51:51] <tantek> similarly for hCalendar events and hReview items
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  152. [17:55:30] <tantek> there should probably be a whole section about the "url" property in http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-faq - given how confused how many people have been / are on the mailing list. Even some experienced folks are making small mistakes.
  153. [18:02:08] <pnhChris> let me see where the discussion winds up first... if i we get into specific markup examples or flush out a better explanation
  154. [18:06:50] <mfbot> [[video]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/video * Tantek * (+22)
  155. [18:07:06] <mfbot> [[audio]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/audio * Tantek * (+22)
  156. [18:07:27] <mfbot> [[recordings]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/recordings * Tantek * (+22)
  157. [18:08:18] <tantek> The explanation is pretty simple: class="url" is used to designate a URL for the hCard.
  158. [18:08:25] <tantek> period - nothing more, nothing less
  159. [18:08:33] <tantek> I'm not sure why that is confusing
  160. [18:12:53] <mfbot> [[podcasts]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=podcasts&diff=0&oldid=10036 * Tantek * (+463) added microformats interview by Fumi
  161. [18:15:00] <pnhChris> i was thinking more along the lines of why we needed url, not just to use it... but i'll get to it later today.. gotta run for a bit
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  164. [18:50:13] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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  169. [19:25:41] <mfbot> [[hcalendar]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar&diff=0&oldid=10037 * AndyMabbett * (+0) Examples in the wild - restore name of target page and apostrophe
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  171. [19:26:52] <jibot> drewinthehead is the author of hKit and a developer for Yahoo! Europe
  172. [19:32:52] <mfbot> [[podcasts]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=podcasts&diff=0&oldid=10038 * AndyMabbett * (-12) fixes
  173. [19:37:28] <mfbot> [[introduction-sp]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=introduction-sp&diff=0&oldid=0 * AndyMabbett * (+10607) introduction-sp moved to introduction-es
  174. [19:38:01] <tantek> pnhChris, when you get back, we explored why we need URL and can't just imply it a while ago: http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-brainstorming#Rejected_Suggestions
  175. [19:39:04] <mfbot> [[Main Page-es]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page-es&diff=0&oldid=10039 * AndyMabbett * (+0) Introducción - bypass redirect
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  183. [20:54:52] <jibot> danja is Danny Ayers, http://dannyayers.com
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  195. [22:56:15] <jonthn2> hello
  196. [22:57:17] <jonthn2> I'm currently trying to make my resume compliant with hResume but in fact i was asking myself if there is a way to get this in pdf afterwards ?
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  199. [23:08:50] <jibot> danja is Danny Ayers, http://dannyayers.com
  200. [23:11:56] <Phae> jonthn2- not unless you have something clever that'll know how to translate it from one ot the other.
  201. [23:12:07] <Phae> I've not seen anything that does that. Would be cool.
  202. [23:12:35] <jonthn2> ok thanks for the answer Phae
  203. [23:12:44] <tantek> hResume is about semantics, and PDF is about presentation
  204. [23:12:57] <tantek> so it would depend first on what CSS presentation you apply to your hResume
  205. [23:13:05] <tantek> then you could simply "Print to PDF" on a Mac
  206. [23:14:32] <jonthn2> tantek: but without Mac no solution ( i wonder if there is somewhere an xslt to transform xhtml to pdf)
  207. [23:15:03] <tantek> I believe without Mac the solution is buy Adobe Acrobat
  208. [23:15:27] <jonthn2> ok
  209. [23:15:37] <tantek> you are asking for a proprietary format, thus you likely will need proprietary software
  210. [23:15:38] <Phae> Oh, I forgot about that.
  211. [23:18:23] <jonthn2> tantek: Yes I know but PDF is well-known in the company and I'm sure with it that the viewer see waht I've viewed
  212. [23:18:52] <tantek> yeah it is a static-print-centric view that will take some time to evolve past
  213. [23:19:05] <tantek> looks vs. meaning
  214. [23:20:21] <jonthn2> yep but for now .. :( anyway i'll try to get something bye and thanks for the answers
  215. [23:20:41] <Phae> bye jonathan :)
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