IRC Log for #microformats on 2006-11-06

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  7. [03:26:33] <_token> Technorati collaborate with microformats?
  8. [03:43:06] <bewes1> _token: many microformat people work for technorati
  9. [03:43:44] <bewes1> _token: some of them work in important positions at technorati
  10. [03:44:51] <_token> cool, thanks
  11. [03:45:11] <_token> technorati really pay much money to work for him?
  12. [03:46:03] <bewes1> technorati has hired some top notch people... I'm sure they are well compensated. people of that caliber often are well compensated
  13. [03:46:06] <bewes1> but I have no clue :-)
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  16. [03:58:18] <jibot> veeliam is William Lawrence of Quiddities Dev out of Santa Cruz and he does something at http://zaxbypass.com and here and there
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  22. [04:28:34] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
  23. [04:28:51] * ChanServ sets mode +o tantek
  24. [04:29:58] * Keri-Henare thinks Tantek should write an article about why his site is marked up with xoxo
  25. [04:36:21] <tantek> you mean my blog?
  26. [04:36:32] <tantek> it was the most semantic markup i could come up with at the time
  27. [04:36:51] <tantek> my blog markup has actually changed quite a bit over time - you can look back year by year
  28. [04:37:10] <tantek> one of the advantages of static files - you can see the iterations in semantics and presentation that the blog has gone through
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  30. [04:39:31] <Keri-Henare> i take a look at the markup of various sites each time I redesign my own site for inspiration. your blog is one of them. it's usually the best for semantic markup
  31. [04:44:16] <Keri-Henare> do you now think that there is a better way to markup a page than with xoxo?
  32. [04:44:58] <bewes1> Keri-Henare: it depends on what data is being represented
  33. [04:45:11] <Keri-Henare> a blog
  34. [04:45:30] <Keri-Henare> but not just a blog, a complete website
  35. [04:48:25] <bewes1> I suggest you break down the website into its logical components
  36. [04:48:40] <bewes1> and mark each component up with the most semantic idiom available
  37. [04:48:47] <bewes1> so when you have a list of things, consider using a list of some kind
  38. [04:48:58] <bewes1> when you have contacts and people, use hcard
  39. [04:49:05] <bewes1> when you have events, use hcalendar
  40. [04:49:17] <bewes1> when you have tables, use table
  41. [04:50:10] <Keri-Henare> way ahead of you (i was one of the early adopters of hCard & hResume), but that's only components.
  42. [04:50:18] <bewes1> when you have a blog, use hatom
  43. [04:50:25] <Keri-Henare> i'm talking about the page as a whole, like how Tantek used xoxo
  44. [04:54:10] <Keri-Henare> already planned use of hCard (obviously with adr), hResume, hCalendar, rel-tag, hAtom, rel-license, XFN, xFolk. What can I say, I'm a Microformat Whore :D
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  46. [05:17:48] <Keri-Henare> Tantek: would you suggest xoxo or something else? (http://www.kerihenare.com/) is the site that I'm redoing
  47. [05:18:29] <tantek> XOXO seems to make sense for anything which is a list or set of things
  48. [05:18:44] <tantek> at least its the best I've come up with to date
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  50. [05:19:55] <Keri-Henare> i'll look into it, thanks
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  52. [05:20:49] <jibot> cbarrett is Colin Barrett and an Adium Developer and has blue hair
  53. [05:21:29] <cbarrett> jibot: def cbarrett not anymore
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  55. [05:29:25] <Keri-Henare> jibot: def keri-henare is Keri Henare (http://www.kerihenare.com/), New Zealand web standards fan living in England.
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  59. [05:51:52] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
  60. [05:58:53] <Frederic> morning
  61. [06:02:40] <Keri-Henare> evening
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  67. [07:38:15] <jibot> veeliam is William Lawrence of Quiddities Dev out of Santa Cruz and he does something at http://zaxbypass.com and here and there
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  69. [08:17:42] <jibot> bengee is Benjamin Nowack (http://bnode.org/)
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  71. [08:38:17] <jibot> danja is Danny Ayers, http://dannyayers.com
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  74. [09:02:08] <jibot> trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and helps with www.multipack.co.uk
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  76. [09:08:02] <jibot> McNulty is Ciaran McNulty (http://ciaranmcnulty.com)
  77. [09:08:31] <McNulty> good morning
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  82. [09:39:53] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  85. [09:40:31] <tantek> good morning
  86. [09:43:24] <veeliam> good morning, tantek.
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  88. [09:45:53] <jibot> McNulty is Ciaran McNulty (http://ciaranmcnulty.com)
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  91. [09:51:47] <jibot> Cloud is http://www.johnbreslin.com/
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  93. [09:57:48] <jibot> Phae is Frances Berriman of http://www.fberriman.com/
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  95. [10:00:31] <jibot> drewinthehead is the author of hKit and a developer for Yahoo! Europe
  96. [10:02:13] <drewinthehead> greetings microformateers
  97. [10:07:56] <Phae> morning
  98. [10:12:39] * kapowaz rubs face
  99. [10:12:48] <kapowaz> I require sleep.
  100. [10:12:59] <Phae> I just got up. I love being on holiday.
  101. [10:13:08] * kapowaz scowls
  102. [10:13:20] <kapowaz> I just shared a train with Richard E Grant.
  103. [10:13:28] <Phae> fascinating
  104. [10:13:45] <kapowaz> he queued up for a ticket in a parallel queue to me, we were served at the same time, and then wandered down the platform behind me.
  105. [10:13:52] <kapowaz> when the train arrived he stood next to me in the carriage.
  106. [10:14:03] <kapowaz> and I spent the whole journey trying not to quote Withnail & I to him
  107. [10:14:03] <McNulty> Did you make an ill-advised Withnail joke?
  108. [10:14:07] <Phae> Do you feel like him now?
  109. [10:14:09] * kapowaz grins
  110. [10:14:18] <kapowaz> actually I felt sort of shameful
  111. [10:14:29] <kapowaz> like, what must it be like when people are doing that to you all the goddamned time?
  112. [10:14:39] <kapowaz> pretty annoying
  113. [10:14:51] <kapowaz> I guess.
  114. [10:15:03] <Phae> I dunno. We'll stare at you (more) if you like and you can find out.
  115. [10:15:17] <kapowaz> I am not famous though
  116. [10:15:35] <kapowaz> people stare at me anyway, but usually it's because I've shaving foam on my ear or something
  117. [10:17:59] <kapowaz> http://www.crummy.com/writing/REST-Web-Services/ looks interesting.
  118. [10:18:44] <Phae> Interesting. Did you see Allsops microformat book is listed on Friends of Ed for April I think.
  119. [10:18:47] <Phae> ?
  120. [10:19:22] <drewinthehead> exciting
  121. [10:19:25] <drewinthehead> all these books/
  122. [10:19:47] <Phae> I know.
  123. [10:19:53] <defunkt> i just totally tricked out my blog with microformats
  124. [10:20:07] <defunkt> tails is so neat
  125. [10:20:07] <Phae> Good. hAtom'd?
  126. [10:20:28] <defunkt> Phae: yes, to the best of my ability. still learning all the rules
  127. [10:20:48] <McNulty> Anyone recommend any decent hardcopy REST books?
  128. [10:20:58] <drewinthehead> if you break the hAtom rules, Phae breaks your fingers, i've heard.
  129. [10:20:59] <Phae> S'cool. You should link us up when you've got it where you think you're about right. People'll check it for you.
  130. [10:21:07] <Phae> Well, I've had my moments.
  131. [10:21:38] <kapowaz> I didn't, no
  132. [10:21:55] <kapowaz> makes me wish I was doing something that could publish a web services API
  133. [10:22:24] <defunkt> ah i think i screwed up on the date
  134. [10:22:45] <defunkt> good thing i didnt link you. i like my fingers.
  135. [10:25:36] <Phae> Fingers are overrated. All you need is a pointy stick on a headset.
  136. [10:25:46] <kapowaz> and a bib
  137. [10:25:58] <Phae> Lack of fingers make you drool?
  138. [10:26:45] <kapowaz> yes
  139. [10:26:50] <kapowaz> didn't you know?
  140. [10:28:33] * kapowaz chuckles
  141. [10:28:38] <kapowaz> "Systems that follow Fielding's REST principles are often referred to as RESTful; REST's most zealous advocates call themselves RESTafarians"
  142. [10:28:56] <kapowaz> is that true, or is that wikipedia humour?
  143. [10:29:28] <Phae> probably true.
  144. [10:29:34] * Phae coughts *microformateers*
  145. [10:29:36] <Phae> -t
  146. [10:30:03] <kapowaz> not quite so snappy
  147. [10:30:09] <kapowaz> microformees?
  148. [10:30:39] <McNulty> kapowaz - I regularly use the phrase RESTful
  149. [10:30:51] <McNulty> I've also heard people call themselves RESTafarians
  150. [10:30:56] <Phae> I think he was refering to the RESTafarian part.
  151. [10:30:59] <McNulty> but I think that's lame
  152. [10:31:04] <Phae> RESTful is very common
  153. [10:31:52] <kapowaz> I'd heard of RESTful before, aye
  154. [10:31:55] <McNulty> I've definitely encounters RESTafarianism
  155. [10:32:15] <kapowaz> whacky web services types, eh
  156. [10:32:26] <McNulty> Typical geek humour ;)
  157. [10:32:30] <kapowaz> thank god for them, really.
  158. [10:32:52] <kapowaz> so long as we have people dreaming up recursive acronyms and silly names, I feel like IT is still a creative field.
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  162. [10:53:54] <jibot> Ronnos is Ron Kok, a friendly student Communication and Multimedia Design in The Netherlands
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  164. [10:56:57] <jibot> julianstahnke is Julian Stahnke and works for last.fm and implements microformats wherever he can
  165. [10:57:41] <trovster> julianstahnke: hey, can I pm you about a last.fm
  166. [10:57:48] <julianstahnke> yeah
  167. [10:57:57] <defunkt> how well supported is this here 'include-pattern' ?
  168. [10:58:09] <McNulty> defunkt - I'd say 'moderately'
  169. [11:00:01] <McNulty> Really it depends... some parsers implement it very well, others don't implement it at all. It will depend which uF you're taking about too.
  170. [11:00:49] <kapowaz> aha! mewfies!
  171. [11:00:56] <kapowaz> or moofies.
  172. [11:01:04] <defunkt> currently i'd like to use it in my hentry's author field. looks like safari has some issues with object, possibly, according to the include-pattern-feedback wiki page
  173. [11:01:09] <kapowaz> thinking out loud there; silly names for microformats advocates.
  174. [11:01:11] <defunkt> so, damn. must investigate
  175. [11:02:07] <Phae> For your hAtom? If you're the only author of that page's entries, you can let hAtom infer your author info from your hCard in an <address> on the same page.
  176. [11:02:09] <drewinthehead> object is ok in safari, just needs plying with CSS
  177. [11:02:17] <defunkt> Phae: two authors
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  179. [11:02:20] <Phae> I personally prefer to be explicit, but it's an option.
  180. [11:02:21] <Phae> Ah!
  181. [11:02:23] <Phae> Okay, nm then :)
  182. [11:02:31] <drewinthehead> also a@include should be ok
  183. [11:02:42] <drewinthehead> there are so many ways to skin cats these days
  184. [11:03:55] <McNulty> defunkt - I don't believe hatom2atom supports a.include but I could be wrong
  185. [11:04:23] <McNulty> You can rely on it finding the nearest in-parent <ADDRESS> and using that, but there are problems with ADDRESS>
  186. [11:04:48] <trovster> <address> isn't required, either. IIRC
  187. [11:04:54] <Phae> the spec says address
  188. [11:04:58] <Phae> IIRC
  189. [11:05:03] <Phae> I haven't looked at it today :P
  190. [11:05:07] <McNulty> trovster - It is for the nearest in-parent fallback thingy
  191. [11:05:14] <Phae> Yeah, very last case scenario.
  192. [11:05:14] <McNulty> I came up against it recently
  193. [11:05:35] <trovster> Yeh, ideally address, but if not, vcard. I remember discussig it here
  194. [11:05:37] <McNulty> it's either @class="author vcard" or it looks for an <ADDRESS>. There's no middle step
  195. [11:06:08] <Phae> the hAtom spec doesn't say it'll look for any old vcard
  196. [11:06:17] <Phae> it looks for address and stops - it's invalid after that
  197. [11:06:18] <McNulty> indeed
  198. [11:06:28] <Phae> unless the spec is wrong
  199. [11:06:32] <trovster> Oh well, I'm not working within those tight constraints.
  200. [11:06:45] <trovster> And I'm certainly not adding <a rel="include"> to everything.
  201. [11:06:50] <McNulty> heh
  202. [11:06:58] <McNulty> petition to change the spec then ;-)
  203. [11:07:59] <trovster> microformats need to be more like IE...
  204. [11:08:19] <Phae> should check with parser people to see if they'd look for a vcard if all else fails
  205. [11:08:23] <Phae> because that would be REALLY hit and miss
  206. [11:08:54] <defunkt> i'm writing a parser in ruby, but right now it's pretty simple
  207. [11:09:03] <defunkt> thus the questions and microformatting of my blog, etc
  208. [11:09:14] <Phae> sure
  209. [11:09:22] <McNulty> There's another spec that does a similar fallback
  210. [11:09:24] <McNulty> hResume maybe?
  211. [11:09:27] * McNulty checks
  212. [11:09:34] <trovster> STATUS - RESOLVED - 'author' required, should use <address> -- should use <address>... I use <div class="vcard author"> this is all I'm talking about
  213. [11:09:54] <McNulty> trovster - you do that in each hentry?
  214. [11:10:02] <Phae> I do that, also.
  215. [11:10:07] <trovster> No. I do that at the top of the page.
  216. [11:10:21] <McNulty> does hatom2atom pick that up?
  217. [11:10:29] <Phae> brb
  218. [11:10:31] <McNulty> or other parsers
  219. [11:10:50] <McNulty> the spec says: " if the Entry Author is missing find the Nearest In Parent <address> element(s) with class name author and that is/are a valid hCard otherwise the entry is invalid hAtom [edit]"
  220. [11:11:03] <McNulty> If the <address> was taken out that'd be a lot better IMO
  221. [11:11:16] <drewinthehead> defunkt: have you checked out the existing ruby parsers? (might be worth contributing to something existing rather than starting from scratch)
  222. [11:11:43] <defunkt> drewinthehead: yeah. they are a bit unwieldy, and slow
  223. [11:11:55] <Phae> nah, address is really important. It ties the content to a page author. I prefer that it's explicitly looking for address in last case.
  224. [11:13:16] <drewinthehead> defunkt: but if they work, could they be optimised for performance..? (i think we'd all rather see a small number of good, complete parsers than a proliferation of unfinished ones)
  225. [11:13:36] <drewinthehead> not to say don't build your own, but i'd encourage you to seriously think about it :)
  226. [11:14:23] <McNulty> Phae - ok sure, but maybe it should look for a nearest in-parent element @class="author vcard" first?
  227. [11:14:33] <McNulty> Because ADDRESS is inline and breaks stuff
  228. [11:14:48] <defunkt> drewinthehead: of course, good points
  229. [11:14:48] <Phae> Ah, I thought you'd be assuming "author" was missing completely, because yeah, author should be sort out first.
  230. [11:17:35] <trovster> julianstahnke: ?
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  232. [11:25:13] <julianstahnke> yeah, trovster, was in a meeting
  233. [11:25:23] <trovster> nm, I've found it, cheers
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  235. [11:30:33] <jibot> NatBat is Natalie Downe [http://natbat.wordpress.com and http://natbat.co.uk/]
  236. [11:31:56] <NatBat> Hello
  237. [11:33:20] <drewinthehead> hey nat
  238. [11:33:27] <drewinthehead> just looking at your thing now :)
  239. [11:33:36] <NatBat> thanks Drew
  240. [11:33:47] <NatBat> was just about to ask the same question here :)
  241. [11:33:51] <trovster> That second URL is empty, right?
  242. [11:33:59] <McNulty> looks it ;-)
  243. [11:34:14] <NatBat> which url?
  244. [11:34:19] <McNulty> natbat.co.uk
  245. [11:34:20] <trovster> .co.uk
  246. [11:34:46] <NatBat> ahhh yes my hosting went down after I did the definition - quite a while ago since ive last been on irc
  247. [11:35:04] <NatBat> http://notes.natbat.net if you are interested in a more uptodate url
  248. [11:35:22] <McNulty> I just instinctively click on links as people join.
  249. [11:35:28] <drewinthehead> sometimes the X2V converter will output warnings and errors in the source of the file, but I'm not seeing any.
  250. [11:35:38] <drewinthehead> iCal.app accepts the calendar, but it has no events
  251. [11:35:56] <NatBat> Outlook was winging of a corrupt file
  252. [11:36:07] <NatBat> I thought it might be something to do with the dates
  253. [11:36:20] <NatBat> Evolution just gave up and died
  254. [11:36:48] <NatBat> where can I find the X2V converter?
  255. [11:37:26] <McNulty> http://suda.co.uk/projects/X2V/
  256. [11:37:35] <NatBat> thanks
  257. [11:37:37] <McNulty> what URL are you looking at?
  258. [11:37:46] <McNulty> which calendar, I maen
  259. [11:37:56] <NatBat> http://rm3-ndcs.torchboxapps.com/whats_on/other_events/gocarting.html
  260. [11:37:58] <drewinthehead> that's what technorati are using, NatBat
  261. [11:38:16] <NatBat> ah ok thanks
  262. [11:38:41] <McNulty> the suda.co.uk one does tend to be slightly newer - brian made some recent changes to the way line endings are handled
  263. [11:38:54] <julianstahnke> there still is an error on the group pages: Notice: Undefined variable: return in /web/site/www.staging.last.fm/lib/core/resource/group/group.php on line 2794
  264. [11:39:02] <julianstahnke> ups, sorry, wrong channel
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  267. [11:39:08] <jibot> briansuda is brian suda of http://suda.co.uk and is at (-0000 GMT) and is author of "Using Microformats" for O'Reilly [http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/microformats/]
  268. [11:39:20] <McNulty> wow a peek into the internals of last.fm debugging ;-)
  269. [11:39:31] <julianstahnke> :D
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  272. [11:41:15] <NatBat> ?def NatBat is Natalie Downe and can be found online at http://notes.natbat.net
  273. [11:41:16] <jibot> NatBat is Natalie Downe [http://natbat.wordpress.com and http://natbat.co.uk/] and Natalie Downe and can be found online at http://notes.natbat.net
  274. [11:41:42] <McNulty> ?forget NatBat
  275. [11:41:43] <jibot> I need at least 3 words with an 'is' in the middle
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  277. [11:42:27] <McNulty> NatBat - you need to do ?forgetme
  278. [11:42:44] <NatBat> thanks
  279. [11:42:49] <NatBat> ?forgetme
  280. [11:42:49] <jibot> I have expunged NatBat from my mind
  281. [11:42:50] <Phae> hey nat
  282. [11:43:12] <NatBat> hello :)
  283. [11:43:28] <NatBat> ?def NatBat is Natalie Downe and can be found online at http://notes.natbat.net
  284. [11:43:28] <jibot> NatBat is Natalie Downe and can be found online at http://notes.natbat.net
  285. [11:44:01] <Phae> funnily enough, I went to natbat.co.uk today (via upcoming) and noticed it wasn't really there.
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  287. [11:44:42] <NatBat> yus, my hosting just disapeared, left a whole load of people in the lurch I believe!
  288. [11:44:48] <Phae> that sucks :(
  289. [11:45:07] <NatBat> totally!
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  292. [11:47:01] <NatBat> drewinthehead - do you recon the reason the download isnt working could have something to do with my nesting a vcard inside?
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  295. [11:47:50] <drewinthehead> i don't think so, NatBat, that's pretty standard
  296. [11:48:03] <drewinthehead> it's a little odd ...
  297. [11:48:13] <NatBat> it is rather
  298. [11:50:01] <kapowaz> http://www.kapowaz.net/images/arabic-spam.png
  299. [11:50:11] <NatBat> it could be the dates though,
  300. [11:50:13] <NatBat> there is an indescrepancy between the results from the tails exstention in firefox and the flocktails extension, the firefox one does not seam to be reading the dates of the event where as flocktails is
  301. [11:50:26] <kapowaz> I kind of want to know what that all says. Like, why has it got 'php' interspersed in there?
  302. [11:50:37] <Phae> I think flocktails has always done a slightly better job, for whatever reason
  303. [11:51:05] <drewinthehead> looking at the source of the .ics file and comparing to the example in the hcalendar spec, it looks fine
  304. [11:51:20] <McNulty> drewinthehead - line endings problem maybe? charset?
  305. [11:51:48] <McNulty> Are multiple URLs allowed in an event?
  306. [11:51:51] <NatBat> yeah i always perfer flocktails, its got quite a nice interface too, the firefox tails also seams to think there are two locations
  307. [11:52:45] <drewinthehead> ah, i was looking at the wrong month ... let's start again ;)
  308. [11:52:54] <Phae> lol
  309. [11:53:22] <briansuda> no, only one URL per event
  310. [11:53:59] <McNulty> the output card has two URLs, I think from the embedded hCards
  311. [11:54:06] <drewinthehead> ok, so it *does* work in iCal.app
  312. [11:54:12] <McNulty> er I mean one is from the embedded hCard
  313. [11:54:18] <drewinthehead> ah, URL is a singleton?
  314. [11:54:48] <McNulty> The only other thing I can see that might not be right is the empty line between END:VEVENT and END:VCALENDAR
  315. [11:55:01] <drewinthehead> X2V is outputting each URL it finds, but the look of it
  316. [11:55:16] <McNulty> It's also looking inside the vcard and finding that URL
  317. [11:55:23] <McNulty> dunno if that's correct?
  318. [11:56:09] <NatBat> the url was supposed to relate to the vcard
  319. [11:56:39] <McNulty> NatBat - the link to google from the card's name is showing up in the output .ics
  320. [11:56:46] <McNulty> as is the link to download the factsheet
  321. [11:57:11] <McNulty> I assume you only wanted the second in there
  322. [11:57:51] <NatBat> yeah the factsheet url is for the event and the other is for the vcard
  323. [11:57:53] <briansuda> which page are we talking about?
  324. [11:58:01] <briansuda> which URL
  325. [11:58:02] <NatBat> http://rm3-ndcs.torchboxapps.com/whats_on/other_events/gocarting.html
  326. [11:58:21] <NatBat> The add to calender link
  327. [11:59:52] * briansuda is investigating
  328. [12:00:19] <briansuda> ; the following are optional,
  329. [12:00:19] <briansuda> ; but MUST NOT occur more than once
  330. [12:00:19] <briansuda> uid / url / recurid /
  331. [12:00:27] <briansuda> so it looks like you ONLY get one URL per event
  332. [12:00:40] <briansuda> let me have a look at my XSLT
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  334. [12:01:16] <NatBat> so is there any way to distinguish that one url belongs to the vcard and one to to the event?
  335. [12:01:24] <drewinthehead> Apple iCal.app seems to take the last URL it finds when importing
  336. [12:02:28] <NatBat> so iCal gets the event ok?
  337. [12:02:28] <briansuda> NatBat, the way you distinguish is ORDERING
  338. [12:02:28] <briansuda> vevent will pull the FIRST it finds
  339. [12:02:28] <briansuda> so just make sure that one is before the one for the vcard
  340. [12:03:04] <NatBat> oh right, thanks
  341. [12:03:14] <briansuda> well, i am going to fix my XSLT right now, and in doing so, your output will be "more correct" and then iCal will get the wrong one (i think)
  342. [12:04:52] <drewinthehead> no, i think it'll get the right one then ... it's getting the one from the vcard at the moment
  343. [12:05:02] <keri-henare> ?def keri-henare is Keri Henare, New Zealand web standards fan living in England [http://www.kerihenare.com/]
  344. [12:05:03] <jibot> keri-henare is Keri Henare, New Zealand web standards fan living in England [http://www.kerihenare.com/]
  345. [12:05:22] <briansuda> the vcard one is first, the google link
  346. [12:05:26] <briansuda> that is inside of a vevent
  347. [12:05:38] <NatBat> ok I have re-orded the URL's so the one for the event appears first now
  348. [12:05:49] <briansuda> so when i ask for event data, X2V will pull the first URL it finds, in that case it would have been the google link...
  349. [12:06:00] <briansuda> great NatBat, let me upload and test
  350. [12:06:39] <NatBat> thanks
  351. [12:10:14] <briansuda> ok, this is better: http://suda.co.uk/projects/X2V/get-vcal.php?uri=http%3A//rm3-ndcs.torchboxapps.com/whats_on/other_events/gocarting.html
  352. [12:11:36] <briansuda> the new XSLT file has preliminary support for hToDo as well, so if you follow the same format as vevent for vtodo, then it SHOULD extract VTODOs for iCal as well - it hasn't been tested much yet
  353. [12:12:10] <NatBat> thank you,
  354. [12:13:45] <NatBat> Evolution still doesnt like downloading the event, but i feel thats probably just a problem with my install of evolution :) - just checking on outlook
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  357. [12:20:30] <briansuda> if you find any quirks with Evolution/Outlook, please document them here: http://microformats.org/wiki/icalendar-implementations
  358. [12:22:00] <NatBat> Ok, still a bit of a problem I think, iCal works perfectly, outlook is a little confused about lunar appointments,
  359. [12:22:13] <NatBat> Error message: " Cannot Import vCalendar file. This error can appear if you have attempted to save a recurring Lunar appointment in iCalendar format.
  360. [12:22:13] <NatBat> To avoid this error, set the appointment option to Gregorian instead of Lunar."
  361. [12:22:32] <NatBat> Is this something I should have set somewhere in the event
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  365. [12:24:07] <tommorris> NatBat: http://jeremy.zawodny.com/blog/archives/007710.html
  366. [12:24:10] <briansuda> instead of double-clicking/draging to Outlook, try importing - we've encountered this problem before - i can't remember the fix.
  367. [12:24:13] <briansuda> Ah, it looks like "Requires UID, DTSTAMP, and METHOD"
  368. [12:24:42] <NatBat> I have also tried importing it, it had the same error
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  370. [12:24:43] <jibot> Cloud_ is Cloud
  371. [12:24:49] <keri-henare> briansuda: any future plans to open-source X2V ?
  372. [12:24:57] <briansuda> it is, hg.microformats.org
  373. [12:25:38] <NatBat> thanks briansuda, I shall check the wiki for how to use UID, DTSTAMP and METHOD
  374. [12:25:51] <tommorris> W3C Open Source License
  375. [12:25:51] <briansuda> METHOD you get for free,
  376. [12:25:54] <McNulty> METHOD is in there already, NatBat
  377. [12:26:01] <NatBat> oh ok
  378. [12:26:13] <NatBat> so I just need UID and DTSTAMP
  379. [12:26:13] <briansuda> you can double-up dtstart and dtstamp class="dtstart dtstamp"
  380. [12:26:23] <briansuda> UID just needs to be something unique
  381. [12:26:38] <briansuda> if your case there is only one event, so you COULD do class="summary uid"
  382. [12:26:46] <briansuda> or better class="url uid"
  383. [12:26:50] <NatBat> ok, and that will stop it thinking it is a lunar event?
  384. [12:27:02] <briansuda> the summary is more likely to change than the url
  385. [12:27:11] <briansuda> I THINK that fixes the lunar issue?
  386. [12:27:17] <keri-henare> don't suppose that happened in the last 5 months?
  387. [12:28:05] <McNulty> The 'lunar event' thing is just a bad error message. It's outlook's default 'I'm confused' message it seems
  388. [12:28:36] <NatBat> heh ok Ill try that and test it again
  389. [12:31:51] <NatBat> that works perfectly!
  390. [12:32:12] <briansuda> what about in Evolution?
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  392. [12:34:13] <McNulty> brian - is there any way of changing the Version that X2V outputs?
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  395. [12:36:18] <NatBat> well it works great in iCal and Outlook, evolution still crashes but I am not sure if this is a problem with evolution though since I dont use it generally,
  396. [12:36:28] <McNulty> briansuda - is it possible to change the VERSION number somehow?
  397. [12:36:44] <briansuda> version Number where?
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  399. [12:37:28] <McNulty> in the resultant iCal
  400. [12:38:07] <McNulty> Just reading the compat. notes and Outlook seems a lot more forgiving for iCal1.0
  401. [12:39:12] <briansuda> you mean VERSION:2.0 in the VCALENDAR output or PRODID:-//suda.co.uk//X2V 0.8.3.1 (BETA)//EN
  402. [12:39:22] <McNulty> I mean VERSION:2.0
  403. [12:40:53] <briansuda> it should be in the output already
  404. [12:42:14] <McNulty> is it possible to change the VERSION number somehow?
  405. [12:42:19] <McNulty> i.e. to VERSION:1.0
  406. [12:42:39] <McNulty> I don't mean globally, I mean as a param or something
  407. [12:42:59] <briansuda> gotcha... maybe, maybe not?
  408. [12:43:18] <McNulty> Outlook seems more forgiving of 1.0 imports, is why I ask. I dunno what the downside(s) might be
  409. [12:43:39] <briansuda> I have to look back, but i THINK if you switch to VERSION 1.0, then you need to do lots of other things too? like DTSTART:TYPE=DATE-TIME;20061106
  410. [12:44:11] <McNulty> Forget it then :-)
  411. [12:44:39] <briansuda> well, the easiest thing to do, is open the current output in a text-editor, change it to version 1.0 and see if it still works cleanly
  412. [12:45:10] <McNulty> I don't actually have outlook
  413. [12:45:22] <McNulty> I'm just a busybody
  414. [12:45:51] <briansuda> i don't have it either
  415. [12:46:09] <McNulty> Maybe you could just generate those missing fields...
  416. [12:46:25] <McNulty> Is DTSTAMP = DTSTART reasonable, you think?
  417. [12:46:47] <McNulty> and you could presumably generate a UID... somehow?
  418. [12:47:34] <briansuda> well, DTSTAMP and UID are NOT required fields in vCal, ONLY for outlook
  419. [12:48:08] <McNulty> hm, sure.
  420. [12:49:25] <briansuda> there are also like 4 different versions of Outlook, so i don't know which are actually effected
  421. [12:49:49] <briansuda> PLUS, with Microsoft's new Live Writter, outputting hCal, they eventually will have to "eat their own dog food" and fix something
  422. [12:49:51] <McNulty> Yeah that's fair enough.
  423. [12:53:37] <kapowaz> what makes you think that the live team having used microformats that will motivate the outlook team to fix parsing of said formats?
  424. [12:54:06] <kapowaz> including microformats in your published content has nearly zero cost
  425. [12:54:19] <kapowaz> fixing your software's parsers to work with them is another matter entirely
  426. [12:54:43] <briansuda> Outlook is already broke, they don't follow the RFC rules
  427. [12:54:49] <briansuda> i don't know that they will fix it
  428. [12:55:13] <briansuda> but if Live Writer/Clipboard takes off, and they are producing VALID ics files, which their own software can't import
  429. [12:55:27] <kapowaz> well, maybe in a couple of years when microformats have the same sort of buzz to them outside of a core of developers/evangelists, something like RSS does today, maybe then they'll take notice
  430. [12:55:46] <McNulty> briansuda - I'd assume there'll be an MS parser that produces non-standard ics...
  431. [12:55:48] <briansuda> then there will eventually be a trade-off between either re-writting clipboard/write to output UID/DTSTAMP and document all of this, or fix Outlook
  432. [12:56:01] <kapowaz> but is the primary function of those sites to public microformats, or is that merely a nice bonus
  433. [12:57:53] <mfbot> [[hcard-fr]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-fr&diff=0&oldid=10040 * KraChot * (+448) Exemples -
  434. [12:58:15] <briansuda> i think they are wanting to publish, Live Clipboard data, which uses microformats
  435. [12:58:37] <briansuda> i don't know their master-plan (maybe they don't either?)
  436. [12:58:39] <mfbot> [[hcard-fr]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-fr&diff=0&oldid=10041 * KraChot * (-448) Exemples -
  437. [12:58:50] <kapowaz> heh, yeah
  438. [12:58:56] <mfbot> [[hcard-fr]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-fr&diff=0&oldid=10042 * KraChot * (+448) Nouveaux Exemples -
  439. [12:59:26] <kapowaz> that's certainly one vibe I've picked up on though, you don't necessarily have to have a plan for using microformats; just put the data there in that format and let others come up with the ideas.
  440. [12:59:36] <kapowaz> and using them in a 'guerilla' fashion seems to be taking off
  441. [12:59:59] <kapowaz> I guess maybe the live team have sanctioned their usage, but in a lot of places it seems they're being used by clued-up developers rather than because of some corporate policy
  442. [13:00:32] <briansuda> maybe, maybe not - Ray Ozzie seems to be behind alot of that and he is both
  443. [13:00:33] <Phae> It's true. I never go "Would you like some formats with that?"
  444. [13:00:36] <Phae> I just add them.
  445. [13:01:03] <kapowaz> he's the leader of the live team?
  446. [13:01:18] <kapowaz> I seem to recall reading that they're very different to the usual MS ethos
  447. [13:01:23] <briansuda> he'll be CFO in another year or two
  448. [13:01:35] <briansuda> CTO
  449. [13:01:40] <kapowaz> not just in terms of using agile processes but the whole 'publish now and fix it later' thing
  450. [13:01:50] <kapowaz> like 37signals' getting real
  451. [13:03:45] <kapowaz> I tell ya, Wong Kie for lunch really does fix the monday blues.
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  453. [13:05:47] <jibot> csarven is Sarven Capadisli and can be found online at http://www.csarven.ca
  454. [13:11:49] <McNulty> It's 'wong kei' ;-P
  455. [13:18:13] <kapowaz> it's wonky
  456. [13:18:18] <kapowaz> yes, that's the one.
  457. [13:18:25] <kapowaz> but anyway
  458. [13:18:29] <kapowaz> my lips are now burning. mmm.
  459. [13:20:45] <McNulty> you can get a cream for that...
  460. [13:24:02] <kapowaz> heh.
  461. [13:24:12] <kapowaz> I don't suppose anybody here is a Prototype guru?
  462. [13:24:20] <kapowaz> the #prototype channel is, as usual, dead as a duck
  463. [13:24:28] <kapowaz> a Wong Kei duck, that is
  464. [13:24:41] <kapowaz> dead, cooked twice and served with a delicious gravy.
  465. [13:25:06] <kapowaz> I'm wondering just what the scope of getElementsByTagName is
  466. [13:25:30] <McNulty> I'd assume it's the document
  467. [13:25:41] <McNulty> or if you do foo.getElementsByTagName it's that element
  468. [13:25:48] <kapowaz> say for instance you did $('someunorderedlist').getElementsByTagName('li'), and your LIs contained other unordered lists... would it return only the highest level? or the children too?
  469. [13:25:50] <McNulty> I don't think that's a prototype question ;-)
  470. [13:26:03] <McNulty> er, pass
  471. [13:26:10] <McNulty> It'll return the children
  472. [13:26:12] <trovster> $('someunorderedlist li') ?
  473. [13:26:13] <kapowaz> true, but asking it on #javascript means having to pass their tests about whether or not I even understand basic JS syntax first, too
  474. [13:26:14] <McNulty> all children
  475. [13:26:37] <McNulty> i.e. it'll return all the <li> regardless of nesting
  476. [13:26:41] <kapowaz> bum.
  477. [13:28:36] <kapowaz> it would be nice if you could specify the depth of nesting you want to cover
  478. [13:29:24] <McNulty> you could always look at the results' parents?
  479. [13:29:28] <McNulty> Or use a more specific Xpath
  480. [13:32:02] <kapowaz> the result's parent class might be an idea
  481. [13:33:51] <kapowaz> that works nicely
  482. [13:34:08] <kapowaz> now I have to find out why Behaviour is failing to work on a link
  483. [13:34:51] <McNulty> I presume you could do an Xpath of '/li' and that'd catch it
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  485. [13:39:47] * kapowaz knows nothing of xpath
  486. [13:40:48] <briansuda> XPATH is pretty easy, it is XSLT that has the logic
  487. [13:41:06] <briansuda> XPATH is similar to CSS you can only select nodes
  488. [13:41:14] <McNulty> briansuda - I believe you can select nodes in JS using Xpaths...
  489. [13:41:21] <McNulty> from a node's subtree
  490. [13:41:45] <briansuda> i think so, but there are different functions for different browsers, or not everything is supported
  491. [13:42:00] <briansuda> prototype does a pretty good job of XPATH support
  492. [13:42:37] <briansuda> XPATH is how Live Clipboard JS works for placing data back into the page (it has been awhile since i looked at the code)
  493. [13:42:57] <McNulty> I've stayed away from JS mostly... I was scarred by having to do loads of DHTML about 8 years ago ;-)
  494. [13:44:39] <McNulty> Hey brian, how does X2V handle PHOTO in vcards?
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  496. [13:44:57] <McNulty> Will it only import data: urls?
  497. [13:45:06] <briansuda> it is just a BLOB Property like KEY and SOUND
  498. [13:45:19] <briansuda> it will use <img src/> and get the @src url
  499. [13:45:48] <briansuda> not many addressbooks support URLS, so i also coded-up support for data URI, but it can just juse URLs as well
  500. [13:45:57] <McNulty> ah right
  501. [13:46:12] <McNulty> So it'll import it as a URL, and it's up to the addressbook app to sort that out
  502. [13:46:12] <kapowaz> I may investigate it
  503. [13:46:32] <kapowaz> what I need to do now is work out how to selectively remove a node from an HTMLElementList
  504. [13:47:10] <briansuda> McNulty, correct a URL is valid, but it is up-to the importing app to decide what to do
  505. [13:49:09] <McNulty> tanks
  506. [13:49:12] <McNulty> er, thanks
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  509. [13:53:49] <trovster> me.parentNode.removeChild(me); ?
  510. [13:54:47] <kapowaz> hmm, that sounds good
  511. [13:56:23] <kapowaz> although it doesn't appear to work
  512. [13:56:45] <kapowaz> possibly because 'me' in this case is being iterated
  513. [13:56:56] <kapowaz> so I'd be passing mything[i] to removeChild()
  514. [13:58:19] <kapowaz> although reading the docs for that it should work
  515. [13:59:57] <McNulty> kapowaz - if you're i++ing
  516. [14:00:07] <McNulty> bear in mind that you shouldn't i++ if you remove a node
  517. [14:00:11] <McNulty> (probably)
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  522. [14:03:03] <kapowaz> actually, I don't think this will work at all anyway
  523. [14:03:08] <kapowaz> removeChild is for removing from the DOM
  524. [14:03:23] <kapowaz> I don't want to remove it from the DOM at all, only from the HTMLElementList that I've extracted from the DOM
  525. [14:03:44] <keri-henare_zzzz> anybody know Kevin Lawver's email addy? likely to just be kevin@lawver.net? i can't find it written anywhere
  526. [14:04:14] <briansuda> he has an AIM profile page, is there no way to contact him on there?
  527. [14:04:37] <keri-henare_zzzz> i saw a myspace-esque page and ran screaming?
  528. [14:04:45] <kapowaz> he
  529. [14:04:48] <kapowaz> +h
  530. [14:07:10] <keri-henare_zzzz> i couldn't see anything, maybe you need an account first. I just sent him FlickrMail
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  532. [14:15:28] <keri-henare_zzzz> Night All! (idle)
  533. [14:29:38] <boneill> afternoon :)
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  552. [15:44:17] <kapowaz> well I'm less than enthused with IE7 so far.
  553. [15:48:39] <oqp> you'd think after 5 years.... they'd get it right :)
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  597. [17:21:38] <tantek> good morning Mike and Brian
  598. [17:22:52] <briansuda> hello tantek
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  645. [19:08:29] <kingryan> hey everyone
  646. [19:08:38] <kingryan> is there anyone around who works at last.fm?
  647. [19:09:28] <mfbot> [[measure-brainstorming-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=measure-brainstorming-fr&diff=0&oldid=10065 * ChristopheDucamp * (+101) Andy Mabbett -
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  649. [19:22:01] <kapowaz> julianstahnke does
  650. [19:22:09] <kapowaz> but I bet he's gone home
  651. [19:22:13] <julianstahnke> no
  652. [19:22:15] <kapowaz> aha!
  653. [19:22:16] <julianstahnke> still here
  654. [19:22:18] <kapowaz> heh
  655. [19:22:46] * julianstahnke puts "last.fm" into his highlight trigger list
  656. [19:23:11] <julianstahnke> kingryan: hi, I work for last.fm
  657. [19:23:24] <kingryan> hi julianstahnke
  658. [19:23:31] <kingryan> so I noticed you guys started publishing microformats
  659. [19:23:36] <julianstahnke> yup
  660. [19:23:38] <kingryan> audioscrobbler.net/data/microformats/
  661. [19:23:47] <kingryan> would you guys be interested in pinging pingerati.net?
  662. [19:23:54] <julianstahnke> yes
  663. [19:24:05] <kingryan> would you be interested in receiving pings?
  664. [19:24:11] <julianstahnke> what does that mean?
  665. [19:24:39] <kingryan> we resend the pings we receive to others (like eventful.com)
  666. [19:25:13] <julianstahnke> so we get pinged when eventful.com adds an event?
  667. [19:25:16] <kingryan> it's only useful if you're indexing stuff
  668. [19:25:18] <kingryan> yeah
  669. [19:25:30] <kingryan> and they get pinged when you add an event
  670. [19:25:43] <julianstahnke> let me talk to some back-end devs about that ;)
  671. [19:26:04] <kingryan> awesome
  672. [19:26:15] <kingryan> you can have them email me if they have any questions
  673. [19:26:46] <julianstahnke> what's your email then?
  674. [19:27:21] <kingryan> ryan@technorati.com
  675. [19:27:34] <julianstahnke> cheers
  676. [19:30:40] <julianstahnke> how real-time is pingerati?
  677. [19:30:54] <kingryan> or the ping relfection?
  678. [19:30:57] <kingryan> reflection*
  679. [19:31:09] <julianstahnke> I just pinged it with the bookmarklet and am eagerly reloading to see the event I pinged ;)
  680. [19:31:49] <kingryan> ah, that
  681. [19:31:55] <kingryan> well, that may be too fast :D
  682. [19:32:05] * kingryan needs to add some delay
  683. [19:37:13] <julianstahnke> kingryan: sometimes we import events from feeds and then there'd be like 5000 ping at once ... would that be fine?
  684. [19:37:30] <kingryan> sure, we need some load testing :D
  685. [19:38:02] <tantek> depends on what you mean by "at once" :)
  686. [19:38:52] <julianstahnke> what would be a maximum per second or minute?
  687. [19:39:05] <julianstahnke> because we import them as fast as we can
  688. [19:39:12] <kingryan> ah, don't worry about us
  689. [19:39:21] <kingryan> we can take it (or we soon will be able to :D)
  690. [19:39:47] <julianstahnke> oh, that sounds promising
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  692. [19:40:07] <kingryan> we have a little bit of experience with receiving lots of pings :D
  693. [19:40:26] <julianstahnke> If I may ask, when will the microformats stuff get promoted out of the kitchen? ;)
  694. [19:40:34] <julianstahnke> oh, what happened?
  695. [19:41:13] <kingryan> julianstahnke: not sure, but we're working on it
  696. [19:41:40] <julianstahnke> oh, steve@last.fm (the guy who coded the events stuff) says he'll drop you a mail once we start pinging you. should be sometime this week
  697. [19:41:50] <kingryan> thanks julianstahnke
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  699. [19:42:22] <jibot> cgriego is Chris Griego (-06:00) and a front-end architect with rd2inc.com
  700. [19:42:41] <mfbot> [[forms-examples-fr]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/forms-examples-fr * ChristopheDucamp * (+36)
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  703. [19:47:30] <wildfire> with all the various social bookmarking sites (ma.gnolia.com, del.icio.us, etc.) is there which marks up a 'bookmark' so to speak?
  704. [19:48:35] <bewest> not yet; we are working on that as part of the attenion efforts
  705. [19:48:49] <tantek> xFolk
  706. [19:49:08] <tantek> which ma.gnolia.com already supports
  707. [19:52:12] <mfbot> [[rest/forms-examples-fr]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/rest/forms-examples-fr * ChristopheDucamp * (+10662)
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  710. [19:54:34] <mfbot> [[rest/forms-examples-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rest/forms-examples-fr&diff=0&oldid=10067 * ChristopheDucamp * (+18)
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  712. [19:55:20] <mfbot> [[rest-examples-fr]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/rest-examples-fr * ChristopheDucamp * (+30)
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  715. [20:01:46] <mfbot> [[rest/examples-fr]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/rest/examples-fr * ChristopheDucamp * (+2695)
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  717. [20:02:22] <mfbot> [[rest/examples-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rest/examples-fr&diff=0&oldid=10068 * ChristopheDucamp * (+3) Propositions -
  718. [20:02:48] <mfbot> [[rest-brainstorming-fr]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/rest-brainstorming-fr * ChristopheDucamp * (+35)
  719. [20:05:29] <mfbot> [[rest/brainstorming-fr]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/rest/brainstorming-fr * ChristopheDucamp * (+5529) à traduire par des spécialistes
  720. [20:05:44] <wildfire> attention efforts?
  721. [20:11:59] <Atamido> ping
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  723. [20:16:23] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  726. [20:19:20] <mfbot> [[currency-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=currency-fr&diff=0&oldid=10069 * ChristopheDucamp * (+4)
  727. [20:20:06] <mfbot> [[currency-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=currency-fr&diff=0&oldid=10070 * ChristopheDucamp * (-7)
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  734. [20:45:20] <mfbot> [[luna-brainstorming-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=luna-brainstorming-fr&diff=0&oldid=10071 * ChristopheDucamp * (-1) AndrewTurner -
  735. [20:47:26] <mfbot> [[luna-brainstorming-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=luna-brainstorming-fr&diff=0&oldid=10072 * ChristopheDucamp * (-3) Proposition -
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  740. [20:57:54] <jibot> danja is Danny Ayers, http://dannyayers.com
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  744. [21:06:38] <mfbot> [[mars-fr]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/mars-fr * ChristopheDucamp * (+1209)
  745. [21:08:34] <mfbot> [[mars-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=mars-fr&diff=0&oldid=10073 * ChristopheDucamp * (+12)
  746. [21:11:20] <mfbot> [[mars-examples-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=mars-examples-fr&diff=0&oldid=10074 * ChristopheDucamp * (+641)
  747. [21:11:56] <mfbot> [[mars-examples-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=mars-examples-fr&diff=0&oldid=10075 * ChristopheDucamp * (-29)
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  749. [21:15:02] <mfbot> [[luna-examples-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=luna-examples-fr&diff=0&oldid=10076 * ChristopheDucamp * (+180)
  750. [21:17:53] <mfbot> [[rel-home-fr]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rel-home-fr&diff=0&oldid=10077 * ChristopheDucamp * (+52) Implémentations - cmSiteNavigation Toolbar
  751. [21:18:39] <mfbot> [[rel-home-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rel-home-fr&diff=0&oldid=10078 * ChristopheDucamp * (+87) Implémentations -
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  758. [21:41:20] <jibot> Rinoa is the ultimate evil
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  760. [21:48:44] <kapowaz> what is jibot talking about?
  761. [21:50:48] <gsnedders> life and death
  762. [21:53:41] <kingryan> jibot gets confused about which rooms it's in
  763. [21:54:30] <Phae> it announces you in the first room you join
  764. [21:56:10] <Frederic> evening kingryan
  765. [21:56:24] <kingryan> hi Frederic
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  770. [22:01:55] <kapowaz> ah right
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  775. [22:12:23] <jibot> cgriego is Chris Griego (-06:00) and a front-end architect with rd2inc.com
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  778. [22:18:58] <jibot> drewinthehead is the author of hKit and a developer for Yahoo! Europe
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  796. [23:14:26] <jibot> BenWard is Ben Ward of http://ben-ward.co.uk ( 0000/ 0100 GMT)
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  902. [23:54:08] <BenWard> tantek: So shall we just pretend that we said something timeless, witty and unrepeatable during the unlogged net-split? Will people buy that?at
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  904. [23:55:35] <jibot> pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
  905. [23:56:21] <tantek> BenWard, indeed - I can't believe we figured out what the 42 microformats should be in such a short period of time - too bad we didn't have mflogbot during the netsplit and thus the answer is lost to us forever...
  906. [23:57:22] <keri-henare> we inappropriately touched jibot while you were split
  907. [23:58:13] <BenWard> tantek: I still think hCandy would've been valid for number 23. I _know_ it seems to exclude chocolate products at first glance but…

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