IRC Log for #microformats on 2006-11-23
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[[implementations]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=implementations&diff=0&oldid=10443 * MJ * (+178) Applications / Plugins / Services / Tools -
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pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
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- [03:07:10] <jibot>
tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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- [06:43:10] <jibot>
tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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bengee is Benjamin Nowack (http://bnode.org/)
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iand is Ian Davis who blogs at http://iandavis.com/blog
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danja is Danny Ayers, http://dannyayers.com
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Cloud is http://www.johnbreslin.com/
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drewinthehead is the author of hKit and a developer for Yahoo! Europe
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trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and helps with www.multipack.co.uk
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Ronnos is Ron Kok, a friendly student Communication and Multimedia Design in The Netherlands
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iand is Ian Davis who blogs at http://iandavis.com/blog
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drewinthehead is the author of hKit and a developer for Yahoo! Europe
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- [10:48:39] <jinx>
Given the increasing discussion on the net surrounding microformats, i'm surprised at the lack of conversation in here
- [10:50:29] <kapowaz>
everybody's too busy talking on twitter to pay attention to old-school media like IRC.
- [10:54:46] <trovster>
meh, twitter.
- [10:55:14] <trovster>
Why isn't it using hAtom, that's the question (bringing it back to uF-related)
- [11:00:18] * kapowaz refers you to my earlier remarks about RSS :)
- [11:00:28] <kapowaz>
even if RSS is a mess, it's the one with mindshare.
- [11:00:39] <kapowaz>
but by all means suggest it to them?
- [11:00:57] <kapowaz>
if we all email them enough, we can force twitter to be a microformats poster-child
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[[microformats-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=microformats-issues&diff=0&oldid=10444 * Discoleo * (+2718) Bloated Format - Examples added
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[[microformats-issues]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=microformats-issues&diff=0&oldid=10445 * Discoleo * (+135) Correcting Page Layout Errors
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[[microformats-issues]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=microformats-issues&diff=0&oldid=10446 * Discoleo * (+64) Further minor corrections
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[[measure-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=measure-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=10447 * Discoleo * (+303) Matrices - Reasoning for Matrices
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drewinthehead is the author of hKit and a developer for Yahoo! Europe
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briansuda is brian suda of http://suda.co.uk and is at (-0000 GMT) and is author of "Using Microformats" for O'Reilly [http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/microformats/]
- [12:39:56] <mfbot>
[[events]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events&diff=0&oldid=10448 * Phae * (+200)
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bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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Cloud_ is Cloud
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?def Mr_Elusive is not a programmer from id but makes his home at http://eswat.ca
- [14:37:59] <jibot>
Mr_Elusive is not a programmer from id but makes his home at http://eswat.ca
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bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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danja is Danny Ayers, http://dannyayers.com
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- [16:21:25] <mfbot>
[[implementations]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=implementations&diff=0&oldid=10449 * WikiFromthefrontend * (+235) Applications / Plugins / Services / Tools -
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[[implementations]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=implementations&diff=0&oldid=10450 * WikiFromthefrontend * (+5) ZDNet UK -
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- [16:46:44] <whaf>
okay, so with all this talk of importing data into social networks upon signup, if you pointed someone to your website, would you just have to be sure to point the site to the most comprehensive hCard you have? otherwise, would there be any way to indicate that while the front page has some data in an hCard, the real meat of the content is on another page?
- [16:47:45] <tantek>
whaf, think one step beyond import.
- [16:47:49] <tantek>
i.e. subscribe
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- [16:48:07] <tantek>
you simply point to your blog
- [16:48:14] <tantek>
where you already have both your hCard
- [16:48:19] <tantek>
and your XFN marked up blogroll
- [16:48:20] <tantek>
done
- [16:48:24] <whaf>
right, I get that much
- [16:48:40] <tantek>
and your XFN rel="me" marked up identity facets
- [16:48:56] <tantek>
which the subscribing UA could go spider as well
- [16:49:03] <whaf>
but if the hcard at your primary url is not chock full of complete info, and your about page is, is there any way to determine where the most comprehensive hcard on your blog is located?
- [16:49:37] <adactio>
So if I point to Flickr with rel="me", it should be able to go off and fetch contacts from there too (if they were marked up correctly).
- [16:49:41] <tantek>
you don't need to know *which* is *most* comprehensive as long as you linked them together with rel="me"
- [16:49:55] <tantek>
adactio *if* you have Flickr point back to you
- [16:50:02] <tantek>
rel="me" requires symmetry
- [16:50:08] <adactio>
Bugger
- [16:50:13] <tantek>
which you do
- [16:50:19] <adactio>
yay!
- [16:50:27] * tantek points to the fine details of http://gmpg.org/xfn/and/#idconsolidation
- [16:50:39] <whaf>
ah, interesting point there about the symmetry (as I build a little social net)
- [16:51:35] <whaf>
so the network to which you're subscribing should start with the initial URL and crawl around all URLs referenced with rel="me" and gather info until it finds no more?
- [16:51:54] * tantek points adactio at http://flickr.com/people/adactio
- [16:51:57] <tantek>
and says view source
- [16:52:14] <tantek>
and says look for rel="me"
- [16:52:17] <tantek>
<grin>
- [16:52:32] <whaf>
nice
- [16:52:38] <adactio>
Sweet!
- [16:52:46] <tantek>
so if adactio links back to his Flickr profile page with rel="me"
- [16:52:48] <tantek>
*presto*
- [16:53:07] <adactio>
Although that points to my front page, whereas my rel="me" pointing to my Flickr page is on adactio.com/journal
- [16:53:23] <whaf>
jeremy: did you manually put rel="me" or did flickr do that cleverly?
- [16:53:31] <tantek>
adactio, thus you need rel="me" links from your front page to your journal and back
- [16:53:49] <tantek>
whaf - check your Flickr profile page and view source to answer that question ;)
- [16:53:51] <adactio>
Ah!
- [16:54:18] <adactio>
Or I just update my Flickr profile to point at my journal page.
- [16:54:20] <tantek>
adactio, once they are all symmetrically connected like that, you can make transitive symmetric identity consolidation assertions as well
- [16:54:33] <whaf>
ah hah, nice, forgot I had a flickr profile
- [16:55:15] <adactio>
So maybe I should rel="me" to the link to my journal page in my global navigation... from there, the rel="me" links to Flickr, etc. can be found.
- [16:56:00] <adactio>
But then it won't be reciprocal.
- [16:56:29] <tantek>
adactio - right, you need a star configuration
- [16:56:31] <whaf>
and would a network ideally only accept information from a given page when reciprocity is established?
- [16:56:37] <tantek>
see diagram on aforementioned gmpg.org page
- [16:56:57] <tantek>
whaf, ideally yes, but see aforementioned gmpg.org page for reciprocity details for specific networks
- [16:57:44] * whaf knows that the quilters he's targeting would have absolutely no use for this, but it'd be interesting to do nonetheless
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- [16:58:15] <jibot>
drewinthehead is the author of hKit and a developer for Yahoo! Europe
- [17:03:23] <adactio>
I've just tried editing my profile on Upcoming but it strips out the rel="me".
- [17:05:06] <trovster>
heh, I tried gorilla microformatting, it didn't work :(
- [17:06:20] <tantek>
adactio, I bet leonard can help us with that ;)
- [17:06:46] <adactio>
Yeah :-)
- [17:07:16] <adactio>
Interestingly, both Flickr and Upcoming add rel="nofollow" to links in profiles.
- [17:07:41] <tantek>
which doesn't actually make sense, since they are first party links
- [17:07:43] <whaf>
I just noticed the nofollow... strange, I'd think...
- [17:07:51] <tantek>
that is, the author/owner of the profile is the one adding the links
- [17:08:37] <adactio>
Spammers opening accounts to get Flickr/Upcoming googlejuice?
- [17:09:55] <whaf>
but pagerank is going to be based on the specific page in a site... if no one links to that account page, the juice is a bit weak, no? it's a bit more far-fetched than making comments on a /. or digg page or something...
- [17:10:08] <adactio>
By the way, Drew's rel-lint bookmarklet is an excellent way of doing a quick spot check of which social networks might already be using rel="me"
- [17:11:11] <tantek>
Sweet. ZDNet.co.uk supports microformats. http://www.fromthefrontend.co.uk/2006/11/23/zdnet-uses-microformats/
- [17:11:25] <adactio>
Yeah, saw that. Nice implentation.
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- [17:12:40] <julianstahnke_>
what if there's a link with rel="nofollow me"?
- [17:13:09] * tantek needs to document that - came up in a phone call discussion with openid folks. nofollow nullifies the me
- [17:13:24] <tantek>
nofollow really means - untrusted probably 3rd party content
- [17:13:26] <julianstahnke_>
ah, so it won't work?
- [17:13:30] <tantek>
it shouldn't
- [17:13:44] <tantek>
in order to prevent 3rd parties claiming to be you
- [17:14:04] <tantek>
like someone putting a rel="me" link in a comment in a blog post or something
- [17:14:09] <tantek>
on a blog post
- [17:15:05] <julianstahnke_>
but if you add rel="nofollow" to that link, wouldn't it be cleaner to look for rel="me" at the same time and remove that?
- [17:15:33] <julianstahnke_>
but then again ... yeah, sorry, stupid me
- [17:17:14] <mfbot>
[[Main Page]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=10451 * Tantek * (+7)
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[[xfn]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=xfn&diff=0&oldid=10452 * Tantek * (-272) rewrote as an index/toc page
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[[xfn-clarifications]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/xfn-clarifications * Tantek * (+662) drafted
- [17:23:06] <tantek>
julianstahnke_ - there you go
- [17:23:34] <julianstahnke_>
cheers :)
- [17:24:30] <julianstahnke_>
user profiles, homepage url: could we remove the rel="nofollow" from the link to a users homepage in the sidebar and make it rel="me" instead?
- [17:25:01] <julianstahnke_>
oh sorry, wrong window
- [17:25:12] <mfbot>
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Cloud is http://www.johnbreslin.com/
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Ronnos is Ron Kok, a friendly student Communication and Multimedia Design in The Netherlands
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[[implementations]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=implementations&diff=0&oldid=10454 * AndyMabbett * (+102) ZDNet UK - issues
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[[implementations]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=implementations&diff=0&oldid=10455 * AndyMabbett * (-1) ZDNet UK - issues
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[[implementations]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=implementations&diff=0&oldid=10456 * AndyMabbett * (+21) ZDNet UK - e-mail addys hidden
- [19:01:44] <tantek>
adactio,julianstahnke_, re: upcoming microformat use improvement suggestions, feel free to add those ideas to the advocacy page under a section for upcoming
- [19:01:57] <tantek>
the more specific you can be about what code to change on what page, the better
- [19:05:08] <tantek>
http://microformats.org/wiki/advocacy
- [19:12:15] <julianstahnke_>
I have a question: on last.fm, should I mark up the people on the friends page as rel="friend"? Because one could argue that on community sites, friends aren't necessary as much of a friend as in "real life" (myspace comes to my mind where people have 5000+ friends)
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Phae is Frances Berriman of http://www.fberriman.com/
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- [19:54:00] <tantek>
julianstahnke_ it all depends on the UI used to gather the data
- [19:54:47] <tantek>
you're right that on community sites, the term "friend" is quite watered down, especially when you are only given a binary choice, are you my friend yes or no
- [19:55:25] <tantek>
for community sites which provide only one level of friendship that they call "friend", use rel="acquaintance" as that is much more accurate
- [19:55:31] <julianstahnke_>
so should I rather use acquaintance?
- [19:55:32] <julianstahnke_>
ah
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- [19:56:22] <tantek>
some sites (like Flickr) provide two levels of friendship, "contact", and "friend". in that case, use rel="contact", and rel="aquaintance" respectively for the same reasons as above
- [19:56:35] <tantek>
acquaintance
- [19:57:40] <julianstahnke_>
okay
- [19:59:21] <tantek>
only if the site permits/encourages distinction of acquaintances vs. friends then should the XFN rel="friend" value be used
- [19:59:54] <tantek>
ironically, MySpace provides an implicit opportunity for this with their "top 8" distinction which could be mapped to rel="friend"
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[[xfn-clarifications]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=xfn-clarifications&diff=0&oldid=10457 * Tantek * (+1068) added notes on mapping community site "friends"
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[[hcard-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-issues&diff=0&oldid=10458 * AndyMabbett * (+319) two issues
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[[hcard-issues]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-issues&diff=0&oldid=10459 * AndyMabbett * (+0) Issues - correction to my last
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[[hcard]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=10460 * Tantek * (+86) added E.123 informative reference for TEL values.
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[[hcard-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-issues&diff=0&oldid=10461 * Tantek * (+1048) resolved some recent issues
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[[implementations]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=implementations&diff=0&oldid=10462 * Tantek * (+244) added clarification of implementation vs examples in the wild. next up: analysis of each implementation and moving of simple "Examples in the Wild" from here to the respective microformats specs...
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- [21:44:40] <tantek>
Does the distinction between "Implementations" and "Examples in the Wild" make sense to people here?
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- [21:48:19] <Phae>
tantek- barely. I didn't get it at first.
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[[implementations]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=implementations&diff=0&oldid=10463 * Tantek * (+151) split Apple into Apple Computer and .Mac Webmail
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Phae, any suggestions you have for making that distinction clearer would be greatly appreciated.
- [21:49:22] * Phae ponders.
- [21:49:46] <tantek>
I'm trying to avoid having /wiki/implementations be dilluted with a list of people/companies that have simply published microformats that are not the result of a tool they created - e.g. recent ZDNet.co.uk add - seems like an Example in the Wild
- [21:50:19] <Phae>
Yeah, I get the difference now. It wasn't until after talking to you and a few others in here about the implementations page though.
- [21:50:28] <Phae>
Implementations just says "it has microformats in it" to me.
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[[implementations]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=implementations&diff=0&oldid=10464 * Tantek * (+11)
- [21:51:31] <tantek>
you mean literally on the page? or that's your interpretation?
- [21:51:43] <Phae>
My interpretation of what implementing means.
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[[implementations]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=implementations&diff=0&oldid=10465 * Tantek * (+68)
- [21:54:07] <tantek>
Phae, I'm trying to build a flattened local matrix of implementations on /wiki/implementations using two lists with fragment ID hyperlinks to each other.
- [21:54:17] <Phae>
ok
- [21:54:17] <tantek>
Take a look at the .Mac Webmail entry for example
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am doing
- [21:54:48] <tantek>
you can click "Apple Computer" in the entry for .Mac Webmail and it scrolls you to the "Apple Computer" entry in the list of companies
- [21:55:17] <tantek>
where you see .Mac Webmail listed as one of the tools/services they have implemented. If you click on that it scrolls you back up to the entry for .Mac Webmail
- [21:55:32] <Phae>
right. :)
- [21:55:45] <Phae>
i.e. can you do the same please phae?
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- [21:56:10] <tantek>
This way, as we get N implementers implementing M implementations the size of the page grows N+M rather than N*M.
- [21:56:35] <Phae>
sure
- [21:57:05] <tantek>
perhaps I need to write up a "how to edit this page" section
- [21:57:09] <tantek>
because this is clearly non-obvious
- [21:57:42] <Phae>
well, you can. you/we/i can clean the exisiting page and have that for future reference.
- [21:57:44] <tantek>
or maybe I could ask you to help me with that - since you will likely use language that will be much more understandable to someone new, since you just grokked it yourself.
- [21:57:52] <tantek>
with the writing of the section
- [21:58:12] <Phae>
maybe you could
- [21:58:30] <Phae>
:)
- [21:59:14] <tantek>
ok how about I take a shot at it and you make it easier to understand?
- [21:59:15] <tantek>
:)
- [21:59:54] <Phae>
Alright.
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[[hcard-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-issues&diff=0&oldid=10466 * AndyMabbett * (+476) Issues - responses
- [22:04:00] <Phae>
I don't mind helping you, but two people working on one wiki page is bound to get confusing. Give me a shout when you're done playing with it.
- [22:09:41] <tantek>
will do Phae - thanks
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[[implementations]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=implementations&diff=0&oldid=10467 * Tantek * (+2065) added Editing This Page section to hopefully make it easier to understand how to properly add implementations and developers to this page
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[[hcard]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=10468 * AndyMabbett * (-30063) Examples in the wild - moved to [[hcard-examples-in-wild]]
- [22:18:55] <tantek>
Phae, take a look at http://microformats.org/wiki/implementations#Editing_This_Page and see if it makes sense to you and feel free to edit/improve. You have the editing token for /wiki/implementations
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[[hcard-examples-in-wild]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-examples-in-wild * AndyMabbett * (+30074)
- [22:19:23] <Phae>
m'k
- [22:19:36] <tantek>
thanks!
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[[hcard-examples-in-wild]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=10469 * AndyMabbett * (-42) rationalise headings
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[[implementations]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=implementations&diff=0&oldid=10470 * AndyMabbett * (-1549) Additional Sites - moving to examples-in-wild page
- [22:22:31] <tantek>
wow over half the hCard spec was Examples in the Wild. Amazing.
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[[hcard-examples-in-wild]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=10471 * AndyMabbett * (+1188) Examples - added examples from Implentations page
- [22:24:39] <Phae>
The hCard "wild" examples is getting rather long
- [22:24:53] <Phae>
I'm not sure how valuable it is at that length, apart from as a "wow, that's a lot of examples"
- [22:25:14] <tantek>
Phae, I have a bunch of /wiki/to-do items for organizing the hCard Examples in the Wild
- [22:25:34] <Phae>
m'k. I vaguely recall a conversation about it but not where that conversation ended
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which will hopefully make it more approachable / valuable to both folks looking for examples to learn from, and places to attempt parsing
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[[hcard]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=10472 * AndyMabbett * (+75) Related Pages - [[hcard-examples-in-wild]]
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[[implementations]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=implementations&diff=0&oldid=10473 * Phae * (+27) Proof read and minor edits
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[[hcard-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples&diff=0&oldid=10474 * AndyMabbett * (+21) [[hcard-examples-in-wild]]
- [22:28:32] <jinx>
looking at it from a different angle: the longer the list the more obvious it is that people actually do use the technology instead of it being just a buzz word
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[[implementations]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=implementations&diff=0&oldid=10475 * AndyMabbett * (+28) Implementations vs Examples in the Wild - link
- [22:29:15] <Phae>
right
- [22:30:47] <Phae>
but I think the implementations page is a better central place for that. The individual spec pages only really require a handful of good quality examples for people to learn from
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[[implementations]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=implementations&diff=0&oldid=10476 * AndyMabbett * (-365) moving to examples-in-wild
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[[hcard-examples-in-wild]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=10477 * AndyMabbett * (+343) moved from 'Implementations'
- [22:33:53] <tantek>
jinx, yes, the length helps, but clustering it helps even more.
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[[hcard-examples-in-wild]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=10478 * AndyMabbett * (+0) move to problem section
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- [22:35:22] <julianstahnke_>
I think the hCard page needs a link to a quick cheat sheet at the very top. The first time I came to that page it seemed incredibly confusing. The cheat sheet could include a list of all properties and one or two examples that show many of them.
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- [22:35:48] <julianstahnke_>
Something like a quick overview
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[[implementations]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=implementations&diff=0&oldid=10479 * AndyMabbett * (+27) link
- [22:36:08] <tantek>
julianstahnke - it has that - see hcard-authoring link at top
- [22:37:20] <julianstahnke_>
well, that's not quite what I mean. I mean something like a pure list of properties and one example, without all the text around it
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[[implementations]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=implementations&diff=0&oldid=10480 * AndyMabbett * (-24) Flickr People - clarify link
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- [22:38:35] <Phae>
I should really think about doing a blog post. hCard or XFN first?
- [22:38:56] <julianstahnke_>
I love this cheat sheet for example: http://suda.co.uk/projects/microformats/cheatsheet/microformats.cheatsheet.pdf
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[[implementations]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=implementations&diff=0&oldid=10481 * Tantek * (+110) added links to specific examples in the wild pages/sections
- [22:39:06] <julianstahnke_>
It gives you a really quick overview
- [22:43:31] <tantek>
julianstahnke - would you like to attempt writing up a wiki version of that PDF?
- [22:43:48] <tantek>
perhaps here? http://microformats.org/wiki/cheatsheet
- [22:43:49] <Phae>
I believe there is already a HTML version
- [22:44:11] <tantek>
Phae, a wiki version would be easier to keep up to date
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in a distributed authoring fashion
- [22:44:21] <Phae>
I agree, but thought a HTML version might be quicker to convert from
- [22:44:23] <julianstahnke_>
okay, I'll try to get started this weekend
- [22:44:25] <Phae>
I can't find it anyway!
- [22:44:32] <Phae>
Link is dead.
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[[hcalendar]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar&diff=0&oldid=10482 * AndyMabbett * (-14410) moving examples in wild to own page
- [22:45:01] <tantek>
julianstahnke, just try starting with hCard since that's the one you asked about
- [22:45:26] <julianstahnke_>
yup
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[[hcalendar-examples-in-wild]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/hcalendar-examples-in-wild * AndyMabbett * (+14460) moved from main hCal page
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[[hcalendar-examples-in-wild]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=10483 * AndyMabbett * (-65) copy dit
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[[hcalendar-examples-in-wild]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=10484 * AndyMabbett * (+38) move item with commentary to own section
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evening drew
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[[implementations]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=implementations&diff=0&oldid=10486 * AndyMabbett * (-4) hcalendar-examples-in-wild
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[[hcalendar]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar&diff=0&oldid=10487 * AndyMabbett * (+80) hcalendar-examples-in-wild
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[[hcalendar]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar&diff=0&oldid=10488 * AndyMabbett * (-9193) hcalendar-implementations
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[[hcalendar-implementations]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/hcalendar-implementations * AndyMabbett * (+9164) moved from main hCal page
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[[hcalendar-implementations]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar-implementations&diff=0&oldid=10489 * AndyMabbett * (+14) link
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[[hcard-implementations]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-implementations * AndyMabbett * (+7716) moved from main hCard page
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[[hcalendar-implementations]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar-implementations&diff=0&oldid=10491 * AndyMabbett * (+11) calrify totle
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[[hcard-implementations]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-implementations&diff=0&oldid=10492 * AndyMabbett * (+6) clarify title
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[[Template:hcard]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Template:hcard * AndyMabbett * (+1389)
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[[Template:hcard]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Template:hcard&diff=0&oldid=10493 * AndyMabbett * (+12)
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[[hcard]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=10494 * AndyMabbett * (-1380) Related Pages - made template
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might be better to rename that template to hcard-related-pages
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rather than just Template:hcard
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[[Template:hcalendar]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Template:hcalendar * AndyMabbett * (+1440)
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[[hcalendar]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar&diff=0&oldid=10495 * AndyMabbett * (-1411) made template
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[[hcalendar-implementations]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar-implementations&diff=0&oldid=10496 * AndyMabbett * (+35) == Related Pages ==
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[[hcalendar-faq]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar-faq&diff=0&oldid=10497 * AndyMabbett * (+35) == Related Pages ==
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[[hcalendar-issues]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar-issues&diff=0&oldid=10498 * AndyMabbett * (+35) == Related Pages ==
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[[hcalendar-examples-in-wild]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=10499 * AndyMabbett * (+35) == Related Pages ==
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[[vcard-suggestions]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/vcard-suggestions * Tantek * (+1117) drafted
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[[Main Page]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=10500 * Tantek * (+23) added vcard-suggestions
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[[hcalendar-authoring]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar-authoring&diff=0&oldid=10501 * AndyMabbett * (-166) == Related Pages ==
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[[vcard-errata]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=vcard-errata&diff=0&oldid=10502 * Tantek * (+59) cleaned up formatting a bit
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[[hcard-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-issues&diff=0&oldid=10503 * Tantek * (+358) resolved a can't change vCard issue by at least creating a page for vCard suggestions
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[[hcard]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=10504 * AndyMabbett * (+0) == Related Pages == moved to end as standard
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[[hcard-authoring]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-authoring&diff=0&oldid=10505 * AndyMabbett * (-128) == Related Pages ==
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[[hcard-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples&diff=0&oldid=10506 * AndyMabbett * (-103) == Related Pages ==
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[[hcard-examples-in-wild]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=10507 * AndyMabbett * (+31) == Related Pages ==
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[[hcard-faq]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-faq&diff=0&oldid=10508 * AndyMabbett * (+31) == Related Pages ==
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[[hcard-implementations]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-implementations&diff=0&oldid=10509 * AndyMabbett * (+31) == Related Pages ==
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[[hcard-feedback]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-feedback&diff=0&oldid=10514 * AndyMabbett * (+31) == Related Pages ==
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[[hcard-profile]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-profile&diff=0&oldid=10515 * AndyMabbett * (+31) == Related Pages ==
- [23:33:03] <danja>
damn, where do I know the name AndyMabbett from
- [23:33:21] <mfbot>
[[hcard-tests]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-tests&diff=0&oldid=10516 * AndyMabbett * (+31) == Related Pages ==
- [23:33:30] <jinx>
the lines that mfbot keeps spouting? ;P
- [23:33:32] <mfbot>
[[hcard-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=10517 * AndyMabbett * (+31) == Related Pages ==
- [23:33:48] <mfbot>
[[hcard-examples-in-wild]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=10518 * LongCall911 * (+194) Examples - added 1
- [23:33:48] <danja>
jinx, maybe
- [23:36:07] <Phae>
heh
- [23:36:18] <Phae>
You can do /ignore mfbot if you don't want to follow the wiki updates.
- [23:39:34] <mfbot>
[[Main Page]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=10519 * AndyMabbett * (+1) Tools & Test Cases & Additional Research - dab
- [23:42:19] <Phae>
argh. I wish we'd started out doing implementor author names as Surname, Firstname
- [23:42:30] <Phae>
makes alphabeticalising look prettier
- [23:45:31] <jinx>
C- for made up words
- [23:46:51] * Phae doesn't care.
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- [23:49:40] <mfbot>
[[implementations]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=implementations&diff=0&oldid=10520 * Phae * (-6) cross linking and tidying
- [23:50:16] <danja>
Phae, nice tip - thanks
- [23:50:38] <Phae>
s'cool
- [23:52:02] <danja>
wiki change prolly better through a feed, imo
- [23:53:35] <Phae>
I find it easier to just watch the pages on the wiki I want to keep track of
- [23:53:42] <Phae>
I scan the recent changes page every so often
- [23:54:04] <danja>
what are you working on at the moment Phae (aside from recent changes)
- [23:54:30] <danja>
right, I have the ESW wiki in my daily firefox tabs
- [23:54:49] <danja>
is usually glance-close
- [23:55:02] <Phae>
not a lot. I really must to to bed, tbh.
- [23:55:13] <danja>
nn
- [23:55:21] <Phae>
talk soon. nght
- [23:55:21] <jinx>
nn
- [23:55:24] * Phae (n=phae@80-41-171-60.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) Quit ("Peace and Protection 4.22")
- [23:55:57] <danja>
night jinx
- [23:56:12] <danja>
or not
- [23:56:34] <jinx>
heh
- [23:56:41] <jinx>
i was saying nn to phae
- [23:56:53] <jinx>
but now i am going to bed myself also
- [23:56:55] <jinx>
so nn
- [23:56:56] <jinx>
:D
- [23:56:59] <danja>
yeah, took me a while to get that
- [23:57:04] <danja>
nn
- [23:57:24] <danja>
(I *should* go to bed...)
- [23:57:35] <jinx>
one thing - what do you think of this site: http://www.pilok.com/index.php#
- [23:57:39] <jinx>
it's not mine
- [23:57:41] <jinx>
but I like the design
- [23:57:53] <jinx>
and i'm thinking of something similar for my own site
- [23:58:00] <danja>
amusing domain name
- [23:58:05] <jinx>
yeah :)
- [23:58:44] <danja>
are they not microformat.org colours?
- [23:59:16] <danja>
looks nice though
- [23:59:25] <danja>
bit slow on this isdn
- [23:59:48] <danja>
curve...curve
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