IRC Log for #microformats on 2006-11-22
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[[licensing-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=licensing-examples&diff=0&oldid=10414 * Mike Linksvayer * (+150) Photos (reuse) - attribution/notice and photo in separate areas of page
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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[[hcalendar]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar&diff=0&oldid=10415 * MJ * (+94) Examples in the wild -
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[[hcalendar]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar&diff=0&oldid=10416 * MJ * (+13) Examples in the wild -
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danja is Danny Ayers, http://dannyayers.com
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amette is http://amette.eu
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bengee is Benjamin Nowack (http://bnode.org/)
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drewinthehead is the author of hKit and a developer for Yahoo! Europe
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trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and helps with www.multipack.co.uk
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bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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Keri-Henare is Keri Henare, New Zealand web standards fan living in England [http://www.kerihenare.com/]
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Charl is Charl van Niekerk and writes about standards at http://standards.za.net/
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iand is Ian Davis who blogs at http://iandavis.com/blog
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Ronnos is Ron Kok, a friendly student Communication and Multimedia Design in The Netherlands
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gsnedders is a 14 year old idiot from Scotland and pretends to have a website at http://geoffers.uni.cc/
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[[hcalendar]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar&diff=0&oldid=10417 * LongCall911 * (+0) Examples in the wild - grammer
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Phae is Frances Berriman of http://www.fberriman.com/
- [13:39:29] <Phae>
so yeah. hey
- [13:45:08] <drewinthehead>
hey
- [13:45:13] <drewinthehead>
fancy meeting you here
- [13:48:38] <Phae>
indeed
- [13:48:48] <Phae>
so this tel thing has not really confused me, so much as annoyed me
- [13:48:56] <Phae>
because it WAS working that way
- [13:48:58] <Phae>
and now its not
- [13:49:05] <Phae>
so an old site of mine is now "wrong"
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- [14:04:30] <drewinthehead>
it's a puzzler
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- [14:07:35] <Phae>
:(
- [14:08:52] <drewinthehead>
i think the reasoning that only a single value can apply is correct
- [14:09:26] <drewinthehead>
but then, i'm not the best person on this stuff
- [14:09:32] <drewinthehead>
i just build things
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[[course-catalog]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/course-catalog * JesseRodgers * (+2394)
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[[course-catalog]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=course-catalog&diff=0&oldid=10418 * JesseRodgers * (+38) Course Catalog -
- [14:14:51] <Phae>
I will see if I can catch Brian later on.
- [14:15:02] <Phae>
I just wish it hadn't worked that way before, if it is the case that that isn't correct
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Keri-Henare is Keri Henare, New Zealand web standards fan living in England [http://www.kerihenare.com/]
- [14:18:29] <Phae>
You moved then ;)
- [14:19:00] <mfbot>
[[course-catalog]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=course-catalog&diff=0&oldid=10419 * JesseRodgers * (+1) Some Microformat use in Education -
- [14:34:43] <drewinthehead>
rachel's micrformats article has been reprinted in .net magazine this month
- [14:35:51] <Phae>
why?
- [14:39:47] <drewinthehead>
it was in practical web design originally
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- [14:39:55] <drewinthehead>
which is another title from the same publisher
- [14:43:54] <Keri-Henare>
i got that issue
- [14:45:01] <Keri-Henare>
microformats in a magazine, I couldn't believe my luck
- [14:46:26] <kapowaz>
are any of these magazines worth buying nowadays?
- [14:46:41] <Phae>
oh, my mstake. I thought you meant reprinted, but in the same magazine.
- [14:46:54] <Phae>
That's cool though. uFs are the trendy topic at the moment.
- [14:46:58] <drewinthehead>
yeah :)
- [14:47:02] <kapowaz>
I get the impression .net is moving towards covering relevant stuff nowadays, but they always lag behind what's published online
- [14:47:09] <drewinthehead>
kapowaz: .net seems to be better these days
- [14:47:12] <Phae>
They're catching up.
- [14:47:20] <Keri-Henare>
magazines will never be completely up to date
- [14:47:21] <Phae>
I bougth the one with our barcamp article in it last month
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i was surprised to find out only a month behind
- [14:47:31] <Keri-Henare>
but they're good for bringing others into the fold
- [14:47:58] <kapowaz>
.net may be good, but I've always sort of arrogantly disregarded the likes of 'practical web design'. Perhaps wrongly.
- [14:48:14] <kapowaz>
they always seemed targeted at taxi drivers who think they've got a killer idea for a website
- [14:48:30] <kapowaz>
"I've got FrontPage! I'm sorted, innit."
- [14:48:42] <Keri-Henare>
lol
- [14:49:02] <Phae>
it's wierd. I mean- its not really aimed at US, because it's too slow
- [14:49:04] <kapowaz>
a taxi driver once told me he was learning 'That HTLM'
- [14:49:06] <Phae>
so who is it really aimed at?
- [14:49:11] <kapowaz>
aye, exactly
- [14:49:16] <Phae>
it's weirder still how many of the writers I know now.
- [14:49:24] <kapowaz>
aspiring photographers read photography magazines though
- [14:49:29] <kapowaz>
so I guess maybe there is some relevance there
- [14:50:25] <Phae>
It's a good tool for showing the people you work for that something is mainstream enough and expected enough to spend money on though
- [14:50:31] <Phae>
its good as a bargaining and marketing tool
- [14:52:19] <kapowaz>
I'm not so sure about that
- [14:52:26] <kapowaz>
there are magazines for a lot of things...
- [14:52:36] <kapowaz>
they only reflect popular interest, not business legitimacy
- [14:53:25] <Phae>
you'd be surprised
- [14:53:39] <Phae>
showing one of the bosses here something on glossy paper works a lot better than a blog link
- [14:54:20] <Phae>
anyway. i really gotta do some work. i'll be back later to track down mr. suda.
- [14:54:22] <kapowaz>
aye, well that's true
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- [14:54:27] <kapowaz>
ttfn
- [15:00:16] <kapowaz>
totally unrelated to microformats, this, but I'm sure I'm not the only one to suffer this irksome thing
- [15:00:53] <kapowaz>
is there *any* way to override Photoshop automatically cropping export-to-web images' names to 31 characters in length?
- [15:01:05] <kapowaz>
it doesn't affect modern day Macs
- [15:01:11] <kapowaz>
so it seems an utterly pointless thing
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mlinksva is Mike Linksvayer and from Creative Commons
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[[course-catalog]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=course-catalog&diff=0&oldid=10420 * AndyMabbett * (+24) comemnt out 404 link
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danja is Danny Ayers, http://dannyayers.com
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[[course-catalog]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=course-catalog&diff=0&oldid=10421 * JesseRodgers * (-21) UW events is now production
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[[measure]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=measure&diff=0&oldid=10422 * Discoleo * (+1032) Related microformats -
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pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
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[[measure]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=measure&diff=0&oldid=10423 * Discoleo * (+729) Measurment Classification -
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[[hcalendar]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar&diff=0&oldid=10424 * AndyMabbett * (+0) restore apostrophe and fix grammar - "press releases" is plural, so "use" is ocrrect
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[[measure]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=measure&diff=0&oldid=10425 * AndyMabbett * (+114) Matrices - query
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[[measure]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=measure&diff=0&oldid=10426 * AndyMabbett * (+175) Accuracy vs Precission - reply
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[[measure]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=measure&diff=0&oldid=10427 * AndyMabbett * (+86) An Interval Measurement - hCalendar
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[[measure]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=measure&diff=0&oldid=10428 * AndyMabbett * (+74) Matrices - geo
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[[Main Page]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=10429 * Discoleo * (+617) Exploratory Discussions -
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[[measure]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=measure&diff=0&oldid=10430 * AndyMabbett * (+3) Measurment Classification - typos (not mine, for a change!)
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[[measure]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=measure&diff=0&oldid=10431 * AndyMabbett * (+32) Related microformats - expand
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[[Main Page]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=10432 * Discoleo * (+887) Exploratory Discussions -
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[[measure]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=measure&diff=0&oldid=10434 * Discoleo * (+385) An Interval Measurement -
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[[measure]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=measure&diff=0&oldid=10435 * Discoleo * (+1) An Interval Measurement - minor spelling correction
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[[measure]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=measure&diff=0&oldid=10436 * Discoleo * (+137) Matrices - ONE vs Multiple measuremnets?
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danja is Danny Ayers, http://dannyayers.com
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My university wants to publish documents which include/exclude sections of content based on info about the viewer (faculty, grad/undergrad, etc). There are any number of ways to use XML and XSLT to do this, but we need a format which can be easily *authored* by non tech users. I was thinking a custom microformat (private for our own use) with classes like "exclude-for-faculty-XX" or "include-for-faculty-XX", etc.
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Any word processor which supports Style Sheets with custom styles would let our users highlight some paragraph and "tag" it with the right style.
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(Our Plone rich editor supports this)
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Is this a good use of microformats? Is there some existing format I should be looking at? Or some other standard?
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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[[measure-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=measure-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=10440 * AndyMabbett * (+3160) Discoleo (from main Measurement page)
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[[measure-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=measure-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=10441 * AndyMabbett * (+1) = Statistical Measurements - =
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Phae is Frances Berriman of http://www.fberriman.com/
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danja is Danny Ayers, http://dannyayers.com
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veeliam is William Lawrence of Quiddities Dev out of Santa Cruz and he does something at http://zaxbypass.com and here and there
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drewinthehead is the author of hKit and a developer for Yahoo! Europe
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- [21:19:41] <Phae>
evening drew
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iand is Ian Davis who blogs at http://iandavis.com/blog
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bewest is Ben West and lives in San Francisco, CA. He daydreams about web style software, works at Alexa.com and blogs at http://bewest.wordpress.com/
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is scott reynen around?
- [22:00:05] <bewest>
as far as anyone knows the total catalog of microformat search engines is (in order of creation) Microformat Base, Technorati's, and Alexa
- [22:00:09] <bewest>
is that correct?
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- [22:09:40] <drewinthehead_>
howdy folks
- [22:10:36] <Phae>
heyho
- [22:10:49] <Phae>
buzzcutted?
- [22:11:26] <Phae>
and yeah bewest. I can't think of others.
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- [22:24:31] <bewest>
nifty
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so, I think Alexa's is the first crawl-based microformat search
- [22:24:50] <bewest>
kind of neat
- [22:26:58] <Phae>
I suppose so!
- [22:28:14] <Phae>
where is mr. suda?
- [22:32:15] <KevinMarks>
wasn't that xfn one crawl-based
- [22:33:41] <Phae>
Rubhub?
- [22:33:46] <drewinthehead_>
bless you
- [22:33:52] <Phae>
:X
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- [22:34:14] <Phae>
http://rubhub.com/main/
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You have to add your site
- [22:40:39] <drewinthehead_>
anyone here for the no-www conversation the other day?
- [22:41:06] <drewinthehead_>
here's a good one ... http://www.armchair.co.uk/ and http://armchair.co.uk/ are different sites
- [22:41:54] <Phae>
no - i remember talking about it with someone else though, oddly enough
- [22:42:04] * Phae must try to get the word "wankle" into a conversation tomorrow.
- [22:45:09] <jinx>
I'll remind you of that in the office then shall I ;)
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- [22:47:24] <Phae>
yes please.
- [22:47:29] <Phae>
hi justin?
- [22:47:33] <jinx>
yup.
- [22:47:36] <Phae>
heh
- [22:47:44] <Phae>
sneak. explains the comment on my blog now though.
- [22:48:14] <jinx>
it does?
- [22:48:33] <Phae>
unless it's another jinx that happened to comment in the same period of time as you reading my blog
- [22:49:14] <Phae>
wankle is a real word btw. I second guessed hicks at my own loss. oh well.
- [22:49:37] <jinx>
what does it mean?
- [22:49:53] <Phae>
Not to be depended on; weak; unstable.
- [22:51:17] <jinx>
fair enough.
- [22:52:33] <jinx>
My bad ankle is a bit wankle.. <- like this? ;P
- [22:52:41] <Phae>
I assume so.
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- [22:52:56] <Phae>
it's an adjective.
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DanC_lap is DanC on his laptop.
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- [22:56:58] <jinx>
Phae: did you respond to the blog comment?
- [22:57:08] <Phae>
no.
- [22:59:49] <jinx>
*sniff* And after all the effort I went to..
- [22:59:59] <jinx>
Was an interesting post in all seriousness however
- [23:00:24] <Phae>
I try. I have more to say, but I'm trying not to alienate the few girls I know.
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- [23:46:17] <Phae>
night all!
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