IRC Log for #microformats on 2006-12-13
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chimezie is Chimezie Ogbuji - He is a mammal
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so much for the mammal
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edsu is Ed Summers from the Library of Congress <http://www.inkdroid.org>
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[[how-to-play-ja]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=how-to-play-ja&diff=0&oldid=11268 * IwaiMasaharu * (+820) sync: english: 18:37, 11 Dec 2006
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mlinksva is Mike Linksvayer and from Creative Commons
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csarven is Sarven Capadisli and can be found online at http://www.csarven.ca
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bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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Charl is Charl van Niekerk and writes about standards at http://standards.za.net/
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kapowaz is Ben Darlow, a web developer in London who writes stuff at http://kapowaz.net/
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mlinksva is Mike Linksvayer and from Creative Commons
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bengee is Benjamin Nowack (http://bnode.org/)
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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Cloud is http://www.johnbreslin.com/
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trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and helps with www.multipack.co.uk
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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iand is Ian Davis who blogs at http://iandavis.com/blog
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drewinthehead is the author of hKit and a developer for Yahoo! Europe
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julianstahnke is Julian Stahnke and works for last.fm and implements microformats wherever he can
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Ronnos is Ron Kok, a friendly student Communication and Multimedia Design in The Netherlands
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[[advocacy]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=advocacy&diff=0&oldid=11269 * AndyMabbett * (+298) A 'geo' success on Wikitravel
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[[advocacy]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=advocacy&diff=0&oldid=11270 * AndyMabbett * (+2) fmt
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/ctcp jibot VERSION
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briansuda is brian suda of http://suda.co.uk and is at (-0000 GMT) and is author of "Using Microformats" for O'Reilly [http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/microformats/]
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[[geo-extension-strawman]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=geo-extension-strawman&diff=0&oldid=11271 * AndyMabbett * (+6) clarify note-numbering
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[[advocacy]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=advocacy&diff=0&oldid=11272 * AndyMabbett * (+168) links
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[[geo]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=geo&diff=0&oldid=11273 * AndyMabbett * (+425) Examples in the wild - Wikitravel
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[[geo]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=geo&diff=0&oldid=11274 * AndyMabbett * (-43) typo
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kensanata is blogging at http://www.emacswiki.org/alex/
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bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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Mr_Elusive is not a programmer from id but makes his home at http://eswat.ca
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sreynen is Scott Reynen, who makes things at makedatamakesense.com
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If you use a type on a vcard adr, is/can the content of the adr supposed to be in a class="value" so t
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s/so t/?
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[[icons-fr]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=icons-fr&diff=0&oldid=11276 * ChristopheDucamp * (+3032) translation in progress
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nice icons :)
- [17:37:42] <mkaply>
Man. this is getting frustrating. Even hcards on microformats example pages are wrong
- [17:37:50] <briansuda>
mkaply, the only thing that is in class=" type" is the ADR type
- [17:38:48] <mkaply>
I understand. I was looking at a pattern like "tel" where you separate the type and the value.
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which examples on the wiki are wrong? link?
- [17:39:07] <mkaply>
http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-examples#GEO_parsing
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no fn on the vcard
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[[icons-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=icons-fr&diff=0&oldid=11277 * ChristopheDucamp * (+112)
- [17:40:12] <briansuda>
correct, both the HTML and the vCard need an FN
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- [17:40:15] <mkaply>
same with the embedded examples here:
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http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-examples#7.__Authors.27_Addresses
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good morning
- [17:40:20] <mkaply>
missing fns
- [17:40:21] <briansuda>
do you want to fix it, or should i?
- [17:40:37] <mkaply>
briansuda: I'll do it.
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briansuda: My question really about the type= for adr is that it seems like there should be a way to specify the type and have it be hidden
- [17:41:21] <mkaply>
because the type is a part of the adr, if I do a .textContent on the entire adr node, I get the type in there.
- [17:41:24] <briansuda>
why have it hidden? microformats are about visible metadate
- [17:41:28] <mkaply>
Or maybe I should never get the entire adr node
- [17:41:48] <briansuda>
you don't need the entire ADR node, you need the sub-properties
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[[icons-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=icons-fr&diff=0&oldid=11278 * ChristopheDucamp * (+47) Mac -
- [17:42:08] <mkaply>
ok, so I should never do adr.textContent always use the individual nodes
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[[icons-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=icons-fr&diff=0&oldid=11279 * ChristopheDucamp * (-936)
- [17:43:02] <briansuda>
well, it depends what you are doing with the data, but generally - yes
- [17:43:38] <briansuda>
i don't see anything wrong with Authors address section
- [17:43:44] <mkaply>
Also, isn't this statement incorrect?
- [17:43:44] <mkaply>
Note that both of these vCards are invalid since they lack the REQUIRED "N" property which is quite ironic, since these are the vCards of the authors themselves.
- [17:43:48] <mkaply>
shouldn't that be FN?
- [17:43:59] <mkaply>
Actually, they both have FNs
- [17:44:13] <briansuda>
those examples come directly from the RFC spec
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they do NOT have the "required
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" N property
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therefore we made FN required and we can extract the N from that
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they are valid hCards
- [17:45:34] <mkaply>
ah
- [17:47:52] <tantek>
mkaply, exactly - we noted the inconsistency in the RFC, and did our best to interpret what that meant.
- [17:48:24] <tantek>
Which is that N really isn't necessary (since the authors of the spec didn't bother to include N properties in their own vCards), when you can imply an N and subproperties from the FN
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[[icons-fr]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=icons-fr&diff=0&oldid=11280 * ChristopheDucamp * (+2) typo
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- [17:52:55] <mkaply>
It doesn't appear there is a good way to fix those two missing fn cases in the Wiki for Frank Dawson and and Tim Howes....
- [17:53:10] <mkaply>
The URLs are generated using Wiki syntax so you can't apply the fn class to the URL
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they don't need to fix anything
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[[hcard-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples&diff=0&oldid=11281 * MikeKaply * (+3)
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- [17:56:44] <tantek>
mkaply - want to fix the generated vCard as well in that example?
- [17:57:25] <mkaply>
tantek: yep
- [17:57:47] <tantek>
you added the "fn" to the class name, but the vCard still needs the respective FN:
- [17:57:48] <tantek>
thanks!
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[[hcard-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples&diff=0&oldid=11282 * MikeKaply * (+25)
- [17:58:36] <mkaply>
are other "types" valid in an hcard? That exampel has a type of "parcel"
- [17:59:50] <tantek>
mkaply, see near the bottom of this section: http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard#Property_List
- [18:00:01] <briansuda>
the TYPES come from the RFC
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adr type: INTL, POSTAL, PARCEL, ...
- [18:00:40] <mkaply>
ok. The microformat cheat sheet for hcard has work|home|pref|postal|dom|intl
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no parcel
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- [18:01:18] <tantek>
sounds like a bug in the cheat sheet
- [18:01:29] <briansuda>
probably more of an issue of space :)
- [18:02:25] <mkaply>
briansuda: probably :)
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IO'
- [18:02:37] <mkaply>
I'm relying on the cheatsheet too much -
- [18:03:05] <briansuda>
is that the only one missing? and be sure you have the most recent version
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briansuda: After yesterday, I made sure I had r10. Yep. that's the only one missing. type types on telephone are missing quite a few, but I don't think you could fit them all
- [18:04:21] <briansuda>
yeah, some of the TEL types are pretty obscure... BBS? PCS?
- [18:04:38] <briansuda>
it has been MANY years since i connected to a (BBS) Bulletin Board System
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[[hcard-profile]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-profile&diff=0&oldid=11283 * JoeAndrieu * (+152) Added explanation of use in <HEAD> tag
- [18:06:13] <mkaply>
has anyone thought about adding type to the url iin vcard? so you can have work and personal urls?
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- [18:06:36] <briansuda>
hCard is bound to vCard, so those issues are out-of-scope for hCard
- [18:06:44] <briansuda>
many people have suggested it
- [18:06:56] <tantek>
mkaply - feel free to add to /wiki/vcard-suggestions
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with your reasoning/research why
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[[hcard-profile]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-profile&diff=0&oldid=11284 * Tantek * (-15)
- [18:08:00] <tantek>
mkaply, do you mean type as in "blog" "home page" etc.
- [18:08:02] <mkaply>
I've mainly discovered things mapping to importers. I'm working on yahoo now. They associate the URL with the work or home address for instance
- [18:08:06] <tantek>
or do you mean type as in MIME type?
- [18:08:15] <tantek>
or there is that too
- [18:08:19] <mkaply>
So my work address might have "http://www.ibm.com" and my home would have "http://www.kaply.com"
- [18:08:39] <tantek>
mkaply, for now, group them with your other home/work info
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[[hreview-examples-in-wild]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hreview-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=11286 * HeliumReport * (+275)
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[[hcard-cheatsheet]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-cheatsheet&diff=0&oldid=11287 * AndyMabbett * (+83) Profile (is this the best way to show this?)
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[[hcard-cheatsheet]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-cheatsheet&diff=0&oldid=11289 * Tantek * (+0)
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- [20:22:11] <mkaply>
This seems wrong as wel
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<span class="type">pref<span>erred</span> email</span>
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in the examples
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was the goal to get type set to "pref">
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was the goal to get type set to "pref"?
- [20:23:02] <kingryan>
I guess
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URL?
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- [20:23:17] <mkaply>
it's used here
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http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-examples
- [20:23:20] <mkaply>
in a couple places
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search on pref<span>
- [20:23:53] <kingryan>
yeah, that's wrong
- [20:24:24] <mkaply>
should be <span class="type">pref</span><span>erred email</span> - right?
- [20:24:28] <kingryan>
should just be <span class="type">pref</span>erred email
- [20:24:30] <kingryan>
yeah
- [20:24:35] <mkaply>
ok. I'll fix
- [20:24:36] <kingryan>
are you using those as test cases?
- [20:24:45] <tantek>
hello
- [20:25:13] <tantek>
is it invalid HTML?
- [20:25:16] <mkaply>
kingryan: As some edge testcases, yeah. I've got the basics working for my microformat toolbar. Working on multiple email and tel parsing now
- [20:25:40] <kingryan>
tantek, no it doesn't make sense, because it's setting the type to 'preferred', instead of 'pref'
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[[to-do]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=to-do&diff=0&oldid=11290 * Tantek * (+445) Tantek - organizing some of my to-do items and priorities
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kingryan you are correct
- [20:26:53] <tantek>
your code above is correct - that was the intent
- [20:26:57] <kingryan>
so it should be changed to be more clear
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[[hcard-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples&diff=0&oldid=11291 * MikeKaply * (+0)
- [20:27:12] * kingryan bets that was written 2+ years go
- [20:27:34] * tantek remembers writing it - it's his typo :/
- [20:27:48] * mkaply is finding everyone's typos with his hcard parsing :)
- [20:27:54] <tantek>
and it was after microformats.org went live - so 1+ yrs ago ;)
- [20:27:56] <tantek>
thanks mkaply!
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[[species-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-examples&diff=0&oldid=11292 * AndyMabbett * (+67) Use in blogs - BOU News
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In roger costello's presentation here - http://www.xfront.com/microformats/hCard.html
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he says this: The hCard pre-defined "value" property can be used to identify the relevant parts
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Is that a correct statement? That you can always use class=value in any tag in an hcard to callout the value in the middle of everything else?
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for elemental properties yes
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i thought that was covered in hcard-parsing
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but i would have to double-check
- [21:00:05] <mkaply>
ok. I made my code handle that, but I hadn't seen that before his presentation. I probably haven't read things as throughly as I should
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he also indicates that the title= is valid for anything as well
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<abbr class="fn" title="John Public">John</abbr>
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[[to-do]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=to-do&diff=0&oldid=11293 * Tantek * (-17) Tantek - more to-do prioritizing/organizing
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mkaply, title= is NOT valid for anything
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<abbr title=""> is however
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i.e. <span title=""> doesn't do anything with the 'title' attribute for microformats
- [21:08:05] <mkaply>
ok. I'm only handling the abbr case. Cool.
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vmarks is in NC
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[[advocacy]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=advocacy&diff=0&oldid=11294 * AndyMabbett * (+144) Opera
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could someone even do something like this if they wanted? <abbr class="value" title="the real value">some other value</abbr>
- [21:11:28] <mkaply>
as in, can abbr be used for every element in the hcard (so I should never use textContent, I should always check for title)
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[[to-do]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=to-do&diff=0&oldid=11295 * Tantek * (+33) emerging microformats -
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[[to-do]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=to-do&diff=0&oldid=11296 * Tantek * (-8)
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[[advocacy]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=advocacy&diff=0&oldid=11297 * AndyMabbett * (+65) Now there are ;-)
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[[advocacy]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=advocacy&diff=0&oldid=11298 * AndyMabbett * (+198) ReminderFox -
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[[advocacy]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=advocacy&diff=0&oldid=11299 * AndyMabbett * (-198) damn misplaced edit links!
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[[advocacy]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=advocacy&diff=0&oldid=11300 * AndyMabbett * (+198) Opera -
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bear is located near Philadelphia, PA and the build/release grunt for OSAF and an apprentice python hacker
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[[advocacy]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=advocacy&diff=0&oldid=11301 * AndyMabbett * (+125) Opera - proposed
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drewinthehead is the author of hKit and a developer for Yahoo! Europe
- [22:06:44] <mkaply>
drewinthehead: just sent you email. easy question :)
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[[mars-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=mars-examples&diff=0&oldid=11302 * AndyMabbett * (+187) Beagle 2
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chimezie is Chimezie Ogbuji - He is a mammal
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[[advocacy]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=advocacy&diff=0&oldid=11303 * AndyMabbett * (+97) Opera People
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cgriego is Chris Griego (-06:00) and a front-end architect with rd2inc.com
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[[User:AndyMabbett]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User:AndyMabbett&diff=0&oldid=11304 * AndyMabbett * (+242) My microformats interests - update
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[[User:AndyMabbett]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User:AndyMabbett&diff=0&oldid=11305 * AndyMabbett * (-29) My microformats interests -
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sreynen is Scott Reynen, who makes things at makedatamakesense.com
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[[to-do]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=to-do&diff=0&oldid=11306 * Tantek * (+111) more on advocacy
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[[firefox-extensions]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=firefox-extensions&diff=0&oldid=11307 * AndyMabbett * (+45) Tails Export - Not yet compatible with FireFox 2
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BenWard is Ben Ward of http://ben-ward.co.uk ( 0000/ 0100 GMT)
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julianstahnke is Julian Stahnke and works for last.fm and implements microformats wherever he can
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last.fm is my favourite animal on the Internet.
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julianstahnke++
- [23:45:55] <julianstahnke>
yes?
- [23:46:00] <julianstahnke>
huh?
- [23:46:08] <kingryan>
?karma julianstahnke
- [23:46:09] <jibot>
julianstahnke has 1 point
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julianstahnke++
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?karma julianstahnke
- [23:46:22] <jibot>
julianstahnke has 2 points
- [23:46:33] <julianstahnke>
??
- [23:46:35] <Ashley`>
julianstahnke+++++++++
- [23:46:54] <kingryan>
it's a game that jibot plays :D
- [23:47:22] <Ashley`>
Lol, sorry julianstahnke. :-)
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- [23:48:36] <julianstahnke>
well, I, euh ... thank you all ;)
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?karma jibot
- [23:49:48] <jibot>
jibot has 24 points
- [23:50:02] <julianstahnke>
?karme kingryan
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?karma kingryan
- [23:50:16] <jibot>
kingryan has 6 points
- [23:50:49] <julianstahnke>
hey, btw, how can I password-secure my nick?
- [23:51:43] <vant>
privmsg nickserv?
- [23:51:49] <mfbot>
[[advocacy]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=advocacy&diff=0&oldid=11308 * AndyMabbett * (+65) ReminderFox - links
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http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup might help.
- [23:51:58] <julianstahnke>
ah, cheers
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[[advocacy]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=advocacy&diff=0&oldid=11309 * AndyMabbett * (-127) Adding Microformats to Web Services - competition ended
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iand is Ian Davis who blogs at http://iandavis.com/blog
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- [23:55:45] <julianstahnke>
okay, that seems to work
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[[press]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=press&diff=0&oldid=11310 * AndyMabbett * (+169) programmableweb.com (is this press, or does it belong elsewhere?)
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