IRC Log for #microformats on 2006-12-22

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  130. [02:43:03] <mfbot> [[icons-ja]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=icons-ja&diff=0&oldid=11746 * IwaiMasaharu * (+1429) sync: english: 17:04, 19 Dec 2006
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  135. [03:15:30] <mfbot> [[hcalendar-examples-in-wild]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=11747 * NedZimmerman * (+120) New Examples -
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  163. [08:25:36] <mfbot> [[icons]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=icons&diff=0&oldid=11748 * ChrisFR * (+58)
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  337. [16:11:51] <mfbot> [[year-in-review/2006]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=year-in-review/2006&diff=0&oldid=11749 * AndyMabbett * (+629) Ongoing proposals; future work,
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  358. [17:17:29] <mfbot> [[firefox-extensions]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=firefox-extensions&diff=0&oldid=11757 * AndyMabbett * (+18) See also - bookmarklets
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  401. [20:53:02] <DanC> Anybody around? I just wrote an update on the "Reinventing HTML" stuff. http://www.w3.org/QA/2006/12/reinventing_html_update.html
  402. [20:56:54] * briansuda will have a read
  403. [21:00:49] <_fil_> this link is not readable with Firefox http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/leastPower
  404. [21:01:22] <_fil_> too bad coz I'd love to read about <script>
  405. [21:02:34] <DanC> phpht
  406. [21:02:47] * DanC tries to fix...
  407. [21:03:03] <DanC> funny... W3C TAG members fail to publish in the web ;-)
  408. [21:03:51] <DanC> hmm... not sure I can fix the real problem; meanwhile, as a work-around, try: http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/leastPower.html
  409. [21:06:26] <_fil_> thanks
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  411. [21:09:47] <DanC> anybody know apache-htaccess-speak for "perfer .html to .xml"?
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  414. [21:19:25] <_fil_> maybe http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/fr/mod/mod_mime.html#multiviewsmatch DanC ?
  415. [21:20:47] <DanC> hmm... I don't see any examples there that make it clear how to use at a glance, _fil_ .
  416. [21:20:53] <DanC> And I don't really want to become an apache priest
  417. [21:21:04] <_fil_> lol
  418. [21:21:06] <DanC> are you an apache priest? care to tell me how to apply this wisdom?
  419. [21:21:17] <_fil_> no, sorry
  420. [21:21:47] <DanC> <r12a-again> DanC, this may not be the best way of doing it, but if you're in a fix you could try creating a type map file
  421. [21:21:54] <DanC> ^advice from another colleage
  422. [21:22:13] <_fil_> why not make a valid xml file? :)
  423. [21:23:03] <_fil_> FF breaks because a dtd is missing, methinks
  424. [21:23:24] <_fil_> &nbsp; is not recognized
  425. [21:25:23] <_fil_> or replace the two &nbsp; by spaces
  426. [21:26:12] <_fil_> this works locally, it seems (no xslt transform, but ff does not go into debug mode)
  427. [21:26:34] * _fil_ is having fun
  428. [21:27:06] <DanC> it's an approved TAG finding; I can't change it without a TAG decision
  429. [21:27:26] <DanC> what content-type do you get?
  430. [21:28:18] <DanC> curl -I gives me Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Location: leastPower.html
  431. [21:28:25] <DanC> bit firefox says application/xml
  432. [21:28:59] <_fil_> application/xml; qs=0.9
  433. [21:29:28] <_fil_> Firefox sends "Accepttext/xml,application/xml,application/xhtml+xml,text/html;q=0.9,text/plain;q=0.8,image/png,*/*;q=0.5"
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  435. [21:30:03] <DanC> $ curl -I -H "Accepttext/xml,application/xml,application/xhtml+xml,text/html;q=0.9,text/plain;q=0.8,image/png,*/*;q=0.5" http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/leastPower
  436. [21:30:07] <DanC> Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
  437. [21:30:18] <_fil_> Firefox sends "Accept: text/xml,application/xml,application/xhtml+xml,text/html;q=0.9,text/plain;q=0.8,image/png,*/*;q=0.5"
  438. [21:30:30] <_fil_> sorry the c/p from firebug eats the ":"
  439. [21:30:36] <DanC> aha
  440. [21:30:42] <DanC> Content-Type: application/xml; qs=0.9
  441. [21:31:12] <DanC> so how to tell apache "no, really, for tag/doc/leastPower , give the .html version."
  442. [21:31:34] <DanC> wierd... firefox _prefers_ xml to HTML?
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  444. [21:32:47] <_fil_> looks like it took W3C seriously :)
  445. [21:33:05] <DanC> where did W3C say to prefer XML to HTML?
  446. [21:33:17] <DanC> sigh.
  447. [21:33:25] <_fil_> dunno
  448. [21:33:32] <_fil_> I'm just a troll, you know
  449. [21:35:34] <DanC> briansuda, Harry's not answering my mail. Any clues?
  450. [21:35:46] <briansuda> i think he is traveling
  451. [21:36:06] <briansuda> i think he was flying back to the US today/yesterday
  452. [21:36:06] <_fil_> you can't change &nbsp; into &#160; without a vote from the Central Commitee?
  453. [21:36:32] <_fil_> looks like Soviet Union is not dead after all
  454. [21:36:55] <DanC> that's right. Some people might think it's OK to tweak things out from under the group, but I don't. I'm a stickler for accountability.
  455. [21:38:14] <_fil_> in my view, accountability would be to mention the issue and correct it at the same time. It's not "mission critical" like changing a screw on the space shuttle, i mean... anyway not my business, just joking
  456. [21:38:32] <_fil_> and, the article is interesting
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  463. [22:26:25] <drewinthehead> how do
  464. [22:27:01] <briansuda> do you do?
  465. [22:29:27] <drewinthehead> i do.
  466. [22:29:51] <briansuda> some how we can work out a palindrome?
  467. [22:30:32] <Phae> hey drew
  468. [22:31:08] <drewinthehead> hey Phae :)
  469. [22:31:37] <drewinthehead> briansuda: a palindrome would be od.
  470. [22:32:01] <Phae> I thought palindroms were words like "abba"
  471. [22:32:05] <Phae> +e
  472. [22:32:05] <briansuda> do it i od
  473. [22:32:12] <Phae> oh, okay. nm
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  475. [22:38:44] <Phae> whee. i'm on the listing of panelists.
  476. [22:39:18] <briansuda> link
  477. [22:39:35] <Phae> http://2007.sxsw.com/interactive/programming/speakers/
  478. [22:40:03] <briansuda> well deserved!
  479. [22:40:14] * Phae is terribly excited.
  480. [22:41:23] <briansuda> there are some other big names on that list
  481. [22:41:57] <Phae> Yeah.
  482. [22:43:02] <briansuda> so i guess it is a safe bet there WILL be a microformats panel
  483. [22:43:08] <Phae> It's confirmed, so yes.
  484. [22:43:10] <briansuda> you should add it to the wiki
  485. [22:43:25] <Phae> I did add it, but perhaps we could do with an actual wiki page so that attendees can sign up
  486. [22:43:37] <Phae> And so we can outline the session, perhaps.
  487. [22:44:05] <briansuda> yeah, there should be templates for that
  488. [22:44:25] * Phae looks.
  489. [22:44:34] <briansuda> hmm... Sean Mills (the Onion) that would be a good pannel
  490. [22:44:43] <DanC> sxsw... wish I could go. maybe I can... hmm...
  491. [22:45:26] * drewinthehead can't go this year :(
  492. [22:45:37] <Phae> :(
  493. [22:45:51] <mfbot> [[events]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events&diff=0&oldid=11765 * Phae * (+63) Upcoming -
  494. [22:46:16] * DanC doesn't know enough to pick out Phae from http://2007.sxsw.com/interactive/programming/speakers/
  495. [22:46:54] <briansuda> ?def Phae
  496. [22:47:02] <briansuda> ?def briansuda
  497. [22:47:13] <briansuda> Frances Berriman (fberriman.com) = Phae
  498. [22:47:56] <briansuda> Phae you can use this one as a template (http://microformats.org/wiki/events/2006-09-30-london-microformats-vevent)
  499. [22:48:02] <mfbot> [[events/2006-03-13-the-growth-and-evolution-of-microformats]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/events/2006-03-13-the-growth-and-evolution-of-microformats * Phae * (+335) creating template
  500. [22:48:04] <Phae> i've done one now!
  501. [22:49:01] <briansuda> great, keep that handy as it gets closer send an email to the discuss list
  502. [22:49:07] <Phae> Good idea
  503. [22:49:33] <briansuda> that way people #1 know about it, #2 remember to go
  504. [22:49:51] <Phae> Well, the microformats crowd aren't necessarily the people you want to attend a session like that
  505. [22:49:56] <briansuda> we can also get that on the homepage as a vevent
  506. [22:50:00] <Phae> :)
  507. [22:50:20] <briansuda> that might be newbies and.or someone can help you make it a better presentation
  508. [22:50:28] * Phae nods.
  509. [22:50:44] <briansuda> plus, it is a bit of ego surfing
  510. [22:50:53] <briansuda> :)
  511. [22:51:00] <Phae> heh
  512. [22:56:00] <DanC> Phae, lots of blogs have small fonts, but yours is TINY. http://www.fberriman.com/ . what's up with that?
  513. [22:56:42] <Phae> Do you find it very tiny? I have it quite small because I quite like it asthetically. I should maybe bump it up a percent or three.
  514. [22:56:58] <mfbot> [[events/2006-03-13-the-growth-and-evolution-of-microformats]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2006-03-13-the-growth-and-evolution-of-microformats&diff=0&oldid=11766 * Phae * (+372) Summary -
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  516. [22:57:39] <mfbot> [[events/2006-03-13-the-growth-and-evolution-of-microformats]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2006-03-13-the-growth-and-evolution-of-microformats&diff=0&oldid=11767 * Phae * (+0) Attending -
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  519. [23:22:07] <DanC> Phae, please use 100% for the main body. i.e. go with what I've already told my browser is the size I like.
  520. [23:22:30] <DanC> if you like it small, tell your browser
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  523. [23:25:36] <Phae> 'k
  524. [23:25:46] <Phae> :S
  525. [23:29:08] <tantek> hello phae!
  526. [23:29:21] <Phae> hey tantek
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