IRC Log for #microformats on 2007-01-11

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  4. [00:17:55] <jibot> mkaply is Michael Kaply <http://www.kaply.com/weblog/> and is the developer of Operator <https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/4106/>
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  9. [00:55:57] <jibot> julianstahnke is Julian Stahnke and works for last.fm and implements microformats wherever he can
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  27. [02:11:27] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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  29. [02:22:20] <jibot> jkridner is Jason Kridner (JasonK on microformats.org/wiki) and blogs at http://blog.hangerhead.com.
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  39. [02:54:10] <Matt1> Is there an applicatable microformat for product listing ?
  40. [02:58:52] <vant> i believe there's hProduct proposal page on the wiki
  41. [03:02:41] <Matt1> I saw that already, but it seems to describe just one product. Is it applicatable to both product page and product listing ?
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  49. [04:08:30] <OpenStandards> Hi, I´m new to microformats and just wondering about hcards I´ve seen it covers things like skype but what about irc nick name?
  50. [04:13:30] <Faerris> OpenStandards, http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-brainstorming#Encoding_.22modern.22_attributes
  51. [04:14:19] <Faerris> IRC is still being addressed.
  52. [04:14:24] <OpenStandards> Faerris, thank you reading now
  53. [04:14:31] <OpenStandards> ahh
  54. [04:14:49] <Faerris> Sure thing. :)
  55. [04:14:59] <Faerris> I support your nick. ;)
  56. [04:16:43] <OpenStandards> I´m liking how the net is starting to piece together, only recently heard of microformats but always had problems dealing with such things as how do I go about marking up an address...etc
  57. [04:19:48] <Faerris> Yeah, it's great to see stuff finally coming around full circle.
  58. [04:23:00] <Faerris> I only just started reading up on MF myself. It's really compelling stuff.
  59. [04:23:47] <OpenStandards> there isn´t any way of describing someone I saw from a log that i did on google concerning marriage and relationship but now I´m basically reading about xfn
  60. [04:24:21] <Faerris> XFN is definitely an interesting concept.
  61. [04:24:39] <Faerris> I haven't really read too much into it yet.
  62. [04:25:21] <OpenStandards> nor have I but from the looks of it, it seems to be too powerful for general stuff
  63. [04:26:18] <Faerris> Oh yeah? How's that?
  64. [04:27:40] <OpenStandards> well instead of just stating you are married it seems like it provides a link I might be wrong I´ve only just started to look at it
  65. [04:32:01] <Faerris> I think the reasoning behind that is to convey the relationship you have to the person you are linking to.
  66. [04:33:24] <OpenStandards> yeah it is, thats exactly what is used for
  67. [04:33:44] * Faerris nods.
  68. [04:33:50] <OpenStandards> if you think about it, its very myspace/social network friendly
  69. [04:34:22] <OpenStandards> you´re going to see alot more myspace type sites appear in the future
  70. [04:35:28] <Faerris> Oh sure, now what I'm wondering is how it might link up to hCard, as in, is there a good way of conveying relationship, and perhaps providing a reference to their own hCard, perhaps if the corresponding person grants permission.
  71. [04:35:50] <Faerris> So that not only can you understand the relationship of the person that is linked to, but their information as well.
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  73. [04:40:55] <OpenStandards> yeah thats how it seems to me
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  105. [05:26:37] <OpenStandards> Faerris, http://www.informit.com/guides/content.asp?g=webdesign&seqNum=293&rl=1 check out that
  106. [05:26:47] <Faerris> Oh nice, thanks OpenStandards.
  107. [05:27:10] <Faerris> Sorry, been busy cleaning the apartment. :)
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  109. [05:27:57] <OpenStandards> thats ok just found the article and covers what we were talking about earlier slightly you might already know this mind you
  110. [05:28:21] <Faerris> Oh, I like relearning stuff all the time. :)
  111. [05:28:28] <Faerris> So if it is something I know, all the better!
  112. [05:37:35] <Faerris> What got you into reading about MF, or standards in general?
  113. [05:40:49] <OpenStandards> well i just recently saw a video on google that talked about microformats the first thing that went through my mind is how could this work for me and thats basically it always been into standards I guess
  114. [05:42:13] <OpenStandards> like svg will be big and when we get the chance to use xforms client side natively i´ll be testing it out straight away
  115. [05:43:21] <Faerris> Ah very cool.
  116. [05:44:08] <Faerris> I did most of my school focus on HCI, so I was big into accessibility/usability.
  117. [05:45:12] <OpenStandards> well i took a web development course back in college back in 2003, i ended up failing due to how the course was ran, quite sad could of been a good course
  118. [05:46:37] <Faerris> Ah yeah, my teachers were all lacking in some form or another, but most the web teachers were strict computer science professors, so they more studied software engineering and such.
  119. [05:46:49] <Faerris> Nothing wrong with CS at all, but they sort of limited their sites.
  120. [05:46:51] <OpenStandards> i focus on accessibility and usability myself that also helped me fail, quite sad the fact that the course was pushing frames and tables
  121. [05:47:16] <Faerris> Eww.
  122. [05:47:21] <Faerris> Well, there's the problem right there, haha.
  123. [05:47:43] <OpenStandards> exactly, at the time i was already doing css sites
  124. [05:48:01] <Faerris> Same here.
  125. [05:48:24] <Faerris> It's rather funny, I sort of taught myself everything I'd need for my current job, and took nothing away from the courses I took.
  126. [05:48:28] <OpenStandards> its sad when a course leads you down the wrong path just so you pass an exam
  127. [05:49:24] <OpenStandards> thats how i´ve been going actually problem is I suck at graphical work and can´t program
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  129. [05:50:38] <Faerris> Ah yeah, that's a bit like my situation.
  130. [05:51:04] <Faerris> I'm not a talented artist and can't really "program" any of these really fantastic languages like Ruby.
  131. [05:51:51] <OpenStandards> what line of work do you do mainly
  132. [05:52:04] <Faerris> Enterprise content management for a consulting firm.
  133. [05:54:48] <OpenStandards> so I guess thats what pushed you in the direction of microformats then
  134. [05:56:28] <Faerris> Oh definitely. Especially since I do a lot of work with MS, they're a huge offender right now of standards.
  135. [05:58:07] <OpenStandards> yeah i´ve noticed that actually its interesting that ie7 lacks xhtml support and yet ms believe that microformats are important
  136. [06:00:06] <Faerris> Yeah, for IE8. ;)
  137. [06:02:58] <OpenStandards> by that time FF 3 will be out with huge improvements
  138. [06:08:21] <Faerris> Oh definitely. :)
  139. [06:08:27] <Faerris> What line of work are you pursuing?
  140. [06:12:38] <OpenStandards> well i´m looking to become a web dev/web designer I have the knowledge just need the experience
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  142. [06:14:27] <Faerris> Ah nice. Out of college recently?
  143. [06:16:14] <OpenStandards> 2 yrs now but i´ve been teaching myself since
  144. [06:17:17] <OpenStandards> now i´ve got a bit of linux experience so its alright
  145. [06:27:27] <Faerris> Great! What are you doing in the meantime?
  146. [06:29:22] <OpenStandards> well at the middle i´m in the middle of learning to do some rails development i did have a coder but now i´be been given the task to do myself
  147. [06:30:08] <Faerris> Ah nice!
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  149. [06:53:03] <Faerris> What's up for yourself tonight?
  150. [06:54:21] <OpenStandards> huh?
  151. [06:54:52] <Faerris> What are you doing this evening?
  152. [06:55:56] <OpenStandards> ahh well i was going to do some work on my typo blog just add my hcard to it but forget my pass so iĺl do that tomorrow
  153. [06:56:07] <OpenStandards> what about you?
  154. [06:57:08] <Faerris> Mostly deciding if I want to start up a side consulting job.
  155. [06:57:54] <Faerris> I'm a bit more open to the idea now that I have a solid career already in motion. Now I can take my spare time and develop it the way I'd like without worrying too much about finances.
  156. [06:58:18] <defunkt> where's your blog, OpenStandards?
  157. [06:58:51] <OpenStandards> its a development one right now still working on the theme
  158. [06:58:57] <defunkt> ah
  159. [06:59:00] <defunkt> have you seen mephisto?
  160. [06:59:04] <defunkt> i just switched to it and it's great
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  162. [06:59:24] <OpenStandards> no i haven´t
  163. [07:00:41] <OpenStandards> whats the themeing engine like for it
  164. [07:00:50] <defunkt> it's called liquid
  165. [07:01:04] <defunkt> does typo use rhtml?
  166. [07:02:36] <OpenStandards> yeah
  167. [07:04:19] <Faerris> I really should get to reading this Rails book of mine.
  168. [07:06:48] <OpenStandards> the big thing will be svg IMO
  169. [07:14:19] <mfbot> [[hcard-examples-in-wild]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=12428 * ZenPsycho * (+76) New Examples -
  170. [07:14:50] <mfbot> [[hcard-examples-in-wild]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=12429 * ZenPsycho * (+24) New Examples -
  171. [07:20:10] <defunkt> yeah rails!
  172. [07:20:16] <defunkt> liquid is pretty restrictive as compared to rhtml
  173. [07:20:23] <defunkt> but it's non-evaling so it's safe
  174. [07:24:56] <OpenStandards> you know whats nice
  175. [07:25:06] <OpenStandards> del.icio.us its great
  176. [07:26:00] <Faerris> I haven't really used it all that much myself.
  177. [07:27:15] <OpenStandards> i downloaded the ff extension yesterday and i´m impressed
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  180. [07:57:58] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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  187. [08:24:14] <mfbot> [[User:WinningHam]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/User:WinningHam * WinningHam * (+42) yay! me!
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  193. [08:31:03] <jibot> drewinthehead is the author of hKit and a developer for Yahoo! Europe
  194. [08:32:53] <Faerris> Hi drewinthehead.
  195. [08:33:05] <drewinthehead> hi Faerris
  196. [08:33:52] <Faerris> How's your morning coming along?
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  198. [08:37:43] <jibot> Ronnos is Ron Kok, a friendly student Communication and Multimedia Design in The Netherlands
  199. [08:38:52] <Faerris> I Ronnos.
  200. [08:39:31] <Faerris> *Hi rather.
  201. [08:42:21] <Ronnos> Hi Faerris
  202. [08:42:58] <Faerris> How's it going?
  203. [08:43:36] <Ronnos> Just woke up :P
  204. [08:43:47] <Faerris> Ah well morning to you then!
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  206. [08:46:08] <Ronnos> thanx
  207. [08:46:17] <Ronnos> how's it going up there?
  208. [08:47:01] <Faerris> Oh rather cold tonight, traffic was horrendous and lots of people ended up staying in town overnight instead of braving the roads.
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  210. [08:54:39] <jibot> bengee is Benjamin Nowack (http://bnode.org/)
  211. [08:55:14] <Faerris> Hi bengee.
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  216. [09:05:20] <bengee> hi Faerris
  217. [09:06:00] <Faerris> How's it going?
  218. [09:06:43] <bengee> micrOK, I'd say ;)
  219. [09:07:12] <Faerris> Hehe, sounds good!
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  221. [09:07:51] <jibot> trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and helps with www.multipack.co.uk
  222. [09:08:04] <Faerris> Hi trovster.
  223. [09:08:15] <trovster> Mornin'
  224. [09:08:28] <Faerris> How do you get these welcome messages I'm seeing?
  225. [09:08:50] <Faerris> They're quite desirable. :)
  226. [09:08:54] <trovster> Search for jibot on the wiki, you've gotta add yourself, can't remember how
  227. [09:09:03] <Faerris> Ah righto, many thanks.
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  229. [09:13:36] <jibot> Charl is Charl van Niekerk and writes about standards at http://standards.za.net/
  230. [09:13:53] <Faerris> Hi Charl.
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  232. [09:29:47] <Faerris> Welp, I'm off to bed, have a good night!
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  235. [09:39:21] <jibot> Phae is Frances Berriman of http://www.fberriman.com/
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  238. [09:40:29] <Phae> tada
  239. [09:41:19] <drewinthehead> awesome.
  240. [09:41:51] * drewinthehead does a microformats dance
  241. [09:42:10] <Phae> win
  242. [09:42:42] <Phae> funnily enough - I was thinking the mailing list was dead quiet this last 24 hours or so
  243. [09:44:16] <drewinthehead> i guess there was a period of quite a bit of activity and debate ... perhaps folks are burnt out
  244. [09:44:26] <kapowaz> Hi, Temp.
  245. [09:44:35] <drewinthehead> hi kapowaz
  246. [09:45:04] <kapowaz> has anybody been to BETT?
  247. [09:45:24] <kapowaz> a former employer of mine has a stand there. I am thinking of going to torment them.
  248. [09:45:24] <Phae> maybe
  249. [09:45:30] <drewinthehead> not this year
  250. [09:45:51] <drewinthehead> exhibitions are fun though
  251. [09:46:45] <Phae> london/
  252. [09:47:15] <kapowaz> Kensington Olympia
  253. [09:47:22] <kapowaz> www.bettshow.com
  254. [09:47:42] <Phae> hmm
  255. [09:48:37] <kapowaz> I am supposed to be meeting a couple of ex-colleagues for lunch there, as they have been dragged along to fly the flag
  256. [09:48:48] <kapowaz> better ask about that, actually.
  257. [09:49:09] <Phae> nice to get out of the office
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  259. [09:52:26] * drewinthehead is pondering another microformats vEvent in the UK
  260. [09:52:46] <Phae> edinburgh, april, btw.
  261. [09:52:52] <Phae> for young mr suda
  262. [09:53:23] <drewinthehead> ah of course
  263. [09:53:32] <drewinthehead> I'll be there
  264. [09:53:37] <Phae> cool.
  265. [09:53:49] <Phae> but yes. vEvent
  266. [09:53:56] <drewinthehead> I'm presenting on microformats, coincidentally
  267. [09:54:36] <Phae> ah, he hasn't replied to my reply, so i don't know what the actual event it yet
  268. [09:54:37] <Phae> heh
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  270. [09:54:52] <Phae> is* yet
  271. [09:57:01] <drewinthehead> I'm not sure when it's going public
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  274. [09:59:36] <Phae> what did you fancy for a vEvent then? something more structured, or just social?
  275. [09:59:51] <drewinthehead> i'm only here for the beer
  276. [09:59:53] <drewinthehead> :D
  277. [10:00:00] <drewinthehead> i don't mind actually
  278. [10:00:09] <Phae> heh
  279. [10:01:09] <drewinthehead> might be good to have something more structured ... but I don't know what
  280. [10:01:13] <Phae> me neither.
  281. [10:03:43] <Phae> educational, discussional (is that word?)?
  282. [10:04:48] <drewinthehead> discussional might be good
  283. [10:06:10] <drewinthehead> maybe something around the time of BarCampLondon2
  284. [10:08:02] <Phae> m'k
  285. [10:08:19] <drewinthehead> you think? or not?
  286. [10:09:12] * Phae is thinking
  287. [10:12:43] <Phae> i'm being interrupted too :S
  288. [10:12:45] <Phae> darned work
  289. [10:15:59] <drewinthehead> don't you hate it when works gets in the way :)
  290. [10:19:06] <kapowaz> ...work?
  291. [10:19:38] <Phae> I was just thinking that if you want something discussion based then you have to lead it a bit
  292. [10:19:48] <Phae> People can't do it on their own. There has to be a a vague agenda
  293. [10:20:51] <drewinthehead> true
  294. [10:21:37] <drewinthehead> we could discuss the validity of the ABBR@title pattern :D
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  296. [10:26:27] <Phae> ugh
  297. [10:26:28] <Phae> don't even
  298. [10:27:08] <Phae> but yeah.
  299. [10:27:09] <kapowaz> discuss beer.
  300. [10:27:13] <kapowaz> it's a universal subject.
  301. [10:29:19] <Phae> thats what we have pub standards for
  302. [10:29:43] <kapowaz> it's also too infrequent :(
  303. [10:29:52] <kapowaz> anyway we never discuss beer
  304. [10:30:09] <kapowaz> hmm
  305. [10:30:13] <kapowaz> microbeermats.org
  306. [10:31:09] * Phae is vaguely trying to be serious.
  307. [10:31:31] <Phae> what was your thinking behind having it near barcamp, drew?
  308. [10:34:22] <drewinthehead> only that people might be gathered already
  309. [10:35:17] <drewinthehead> and that I'm moving house at the end of the month
  310. [10:35:48] <Phae> m'k
  311. [10:38:37] <Phae> my birthday's at the end of the month too, so i'm more tempted by beer then
  312. [10:39:25] <kapowaz> bere
  313. [10:39:27] <kapowaz> beer
  314. [10:39:35] <kapowaz> sorry, that was involuntary.
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  316. [10:43:34] <Phae> I kinda dig hte idea of something structured that lets people discuss uF 'issues'. Maybe we should operate in the way that LRUG do and such.
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  318. [10:49:41] <jibot> iand is Ian Davis who blogs at http://iandavis.com/blog
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  320. [10:50:23] <jibot> julianstahnke is Julian Stahnke and works for last.fm and implements microformats wherever he can
  321. [10:52:20] <drewinthehead> what's the LRUG, Phae?
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  323. [10:54:38] <Phae> http://lrug.org/
  324. [10:54:59] <Phae> The 'other' cult.
  325. [10:55:00] <drewinthehead> ah, gotchya
  326. [10:57:09] * drewinthehead needs to record an 'ask the expert' thing about RoR for Boag
  327. [11:01:27] <Phae> RoR is a pyramid scheme
  328. [11:04:20] <OpenStandards> why?
  329. [11:04:53] <Phae> just a joke. i have some ruby enthusiast friends who "sell" ruby
  330. [11:08:20] <kapowaz> like you 'sell' microformats...? :)
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  332. [11:08:49] <jibot> Cloud_ is Cloud
  333. [11:11:36] <Phae> yep :)
  334. [11:11:46] <Phae> it's okay. i'm not knocking them. rob and damien are cool.
  335. [11:11:54] <Phae> just banter
  336. [11:13:59] <drewinthehead> wait, we can sell microformats?
  337. [11:14:09] <drewinthehead> how much do you think we could get for it?
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  339. [11:32:01] <Phae> not a lot
  340. [11:51:09] <OpenStandards> do you think we´ll ever see a hProfile covering features of people such as eye colour, weight and even the build of someone?
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  343. [11:55:59] <Phae> If a need arises where that would be practical, sure.
  344. [11:58:21] <drewinthehead> where do you see that sort of information published currently, OpenStandards? dating sites?
  345. [11:59:12] <Phae> Dating sites is the one that springs to mind for me too
  346. [11:59:25] <Phae> Or medical records
  347. [11:59:43] <Phae> Police records, too.
  348. [12:00:24] <OpenStandards> indeed thats one type, medical records, you might even use it for a historical record
  349. [12:00:50] <kapowaz> sports statistics
  350. [12:01:28] <kapowaz> for individual sportsmen
  351. [12:01:52] <OpenStandards> describing a person is quite a common thing in reality
  352. [12:02:26] <OpenStandards> or it might be even a person how about an animal
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  354. [12:02:48] <Phae> If you're interested in this, it's worth gathering a good handful of real examples out and about on the web
  355. [12:04:05] <kapowaz> when you mentioned animals I instantly thought of species classification
  356. [12:04:06] <drewinthehead> yup... that's the key. We only create new microformats for data that people are already publishing.
  357. [12:04:08] <kapowaz> as per wikipedia, say
  358. [12:06:10] <Phae> Right.
  359. [12:11:08] <drewinthehead> that's an interesting case ... volume vs diversity
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  365. [12:26:47] <OpenStandards> well drewinthehead shouldn´t it be based around key features, like we know a dog has 4 legs unless there is a problem but what don´t know is the type of hair it has. Ie: short or long
  366. [12:27:30] * ntoll (n=ntoll@81-178-221-41.dsl.pipex.com) has joined #microformats
  367. [12:27:31] <jibot> ntoll is Nicholas Tollervey and can be found online at http://ntoll.org
  368. [12:27:39] <drewinthehead> those sorts of considerations are quite far down the line
  369. [12:28:17] <drewinthehead> as mentioned, the best thing to do is 1) collect examples of how this data is currently marked up and 2) see how much can be achieved with existing microformats
  370. [12:28:40] <drewinthehead> for example, how close can you get using tags?
  371. [12:29:49] <Phae> tags are surprisingly useful
  372. [12:30:38] <OpenStandards> your right, good point cheers
  373. [12:31:23] <ntoll> tags are very useful, but they do have their limits
  374. [12:32:10] <Phae> of course. and when you hit that limit that's usually a good point to think about what new stuff we might need
  375. [12:32:24] <Phae> exhaust all other avenues first, is all.
  376. [12:32:32] <ntoll> e.g. associating human readable attributes with a tag
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  381. [12:52:46] <jibot> csarven is Sarven Capadisli and can be found online at http://www.csarven.ca
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  383. [12:54:12] <jibot> danja is Danny Ayers, http://dannyayers.com
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  387. [13:10:26] <OpenStandards> http://pastebin.archlinux.org/814 quick finderings show that, gender, breed, age and name come up the most wen it comes to animal adoption sites
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  389. [13:19:46] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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  391. [13:48:14] <jibot> Mr_Elusive is not a programmer from id but makes his home at http://eswat.ca
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  393. [13:54:22] <jibot> SamRose is found at http://smartmobs.com, http://communitywiki.org, http://blog.p2pfoundation.com, http://barcampbank.com, and http://cooperationcommons.com
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  395. [13:54:57] <Phae> right. I gotta do some work. drew - just a reminder though de hems tonight for Paul's bon voyage.
  396. [13:55:24] <drewinthehead> thanks Phae ... not going to be able to make it unfortunately
  397. [13:55:49] <Phae> :( alright
  398. [13:56:23] <Phae> see ya guys later.
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  416. [15:16:29] <jibot> monkinetic is redmonk is SteveIvy is Steve Ivy - http://redmonk.net
  417. [15:16:50] <monkinetic> hiyo
  418. [15:27:04] <Ronnos> howdy
  419. [15:29:12] <sreynen> hello
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  426. [15:50:59] <jibot> DanC is Dan Connolly http://www.w3.org/People/Connolly/
  427. [15:51:15] <DanC> hmm... 2 more schedules. paper ones.
  428. [16:02:43] <mfbot> [[irc-people]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=irc-people&diff=0&oldid=12430 * DanC * (-60) not keep office hours any more
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  430. [16:03:06] <jibot> mkaply is Michael Kaply <http://www.kaply.com/weblog/> and is the developer of Operator <https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/4106/>
  431. [16:03:43] <DanC> ooh... Operator...
  432. [16:04:02] * DanC wants to think about how GRDDL could/should fit with Operator
  433. [16:04:26] <mkaply> can there be multiple items for one hReview?
  434. [16:05:40] * mkaply has screwed up something in his hReview parsing
  435. [16:05:55] <mkaply> item info. required. fn (url || photo ) | hCard (for person or business) | hCalendar (for event)
  436. [16:06:10] <DanC> intresting... we were just working on multiple-hreviews-in-one-file in some GRDDL primer work yesterday
  437. [16:06:15] * DanC wonders if brian Suda is around
  438. [16:06:24] <mkaply> ok, so does that mean an item must have an fn an hCard or an hCalendar? or can item just be a string of text (no class)
  439. [16:06:58] * mkaply looks at GRDDL and his head explodes
  440. [16:07:34] <DanC> hmm... the GRDDL primer is supposed to be gentle. http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/doc29/primer.html
  441. [16:08:22] <mkaply> DanC: How does this relate to rdfE?
  442. [16:08:25] <mkaply> RDFe
  443. [16:08:44] <mkaply> eRDF - whatever it is :0
  444. [16:09:02] <DanC> oh... eRDF ,as in Ian Davis's work? eRDF is completely grddl-happy
  445. [16:09:13] <DanC> eRDF is a GRDDL poster-child. see the grddl primer
  446. [16:09:40] * mkaply makes a note to read that pec
  447. [16:10:03] <DanC> the hook is the profile attribute. eRDF has a profile. microformats are supposed to have profiles, sorta.
  448. [16:10:42] * mkaply feels bad that all these sites that are starting to use microformats are showing up as invalid in Operator
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  450. [16:11:18] <DanC> "ACCEPTED. Yes, all microformats that introduce new classnames SHOULD include an XMDP (http://gmpg.org/xmdp/) profile " -- http://microformats.org/wiki/hcalendar-issues
  451. [16:11:51] <DanC> mkaply, are you following the uf test stuff?
  452. [16:12:01] <DanC> I suppose we don't have negative tests yet
  453. [16:12:31] <Ronnos> mkaply, name some?
  454. [16:12:31] <DanC> though x2v-preflight has some "I see country; you probably meant country-name" stuff.
  455. [16:12:55] <mkaply> dishola.com
  456. [16:13:27] <mkaply> No fns for any of their items - that's why I was asking the question can item just be a string of text (the hReview creator always puts an fn in)
  457. [16:13:44] * mkaply is scouring the web for good operator test sites
  458. [16:14:17] <mkaply> I actually have Operator reporting errors on the JS console and making a valiant effort to find the line number (and failing most of the time by about 5 lines)
  459. [16:14:36] <Ronnos> hm
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  462. [16:16:32] <jibot> briansuda is brian suda of http://suda.co.uk and is at (-0000 GMT) and is author of "Using Microformats" for O'Reilly [http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/microformats/]
  463. [16:16:54] <mkaply> wow, summoning people really does work
  464. [16:17:05] <mkaply> (DanC wonders if brian Suda is around)
  465. [16:17:18] <Ronnos> well, i know the answer :P
  466. [16:17:29] * briansuda is here
  467. [16:17:35] * Ronnos is sure Brian is around :)
  468. [16:17:51] <DanC> # [16:04:26] <mkaply> can there be multiple items for one hReview?
  469. [16:17:54] * Ronnos points at briansuda
  470. [16:18:11] <mkaply> briansuda: and does item have to have an fn explicitly, or can it just be text (in an hReview)
  471. [16:18:17] <DanC> oh... I guess that's different from more than one hReview in a document
  472. [16:18:25] <briansuda> at the moment FN has to be explicit
  473. [16:18:32] <briansuda> and it needs to be a child of an item
  474. [16:18:59] * DanC tries to confirm 'has to be explicit' from http://microformats.org/wiki/hreview ...
  475. [16:19:01] <mkaply> briansuda: I'm looking at sites like dishola.com
  476. [16:19:12] <briansuda> according to the schema (http://microformats.org/wiki/hreview#Schema) it just says "item info. required"
  477. [16:19:31] * DanC has been noodling on hReview for software problem reporting/tracking, a la distributed bugzilla
  478. [16:19:37] <mkaply> So if I don't have an fn for the item, should I just use textContent for the item?
  479. [16:20:01] <mkaply> but it says item should be an fn an hCard or an hCalendar
  480. [16:20:03] <briansuda> IMHO i would through an error is there is no FN
  481. [16:20:16] <briansuda> and NOT take just the value
  482. [16:20:34] * mkaply will contact dishola
  483. [16:20:49] * DanC cheers mkaply on for contacting dishola
  484. [16:21:00] <DanC> feedback loops!
  485. [16:21:51] * briansuda has been working with http://revyu.com/ to get hreview in the HTML
  486. [16:22:43] <mkaply> you guys are going to love the new operator. I display the HTML of the microformat in a readonly text area so it can be easily copied
  487. [16:22:45] <mkaply> Reallysweet
  488. [16:22:56] <monkinetic> oooooh, nice
  489. [16:23:17] <mkaply> That microformat has two items in it as well which is wrong, correct?
  490. [16:23:51] * DanC noodles on copy-and-paste of microformat data, and on how to carry profile info along
  491. [16:24:01] <briansuda> mkaply, link?
  492. [16:24:11] <mkaply> dishola.com
  493. [16:24:30] <mkaply> bastards. Their first item is in a "display:none"
  494. [16:24:34] <briansuda> DanC, http://dconstruct06.madgex.com/ has cut-n-paste microformats for all the attendees
  495. [16:25:27] <monkinetic> mkaply: have you thought about 1) highlighting uFs on hover, and 2) putting actions in the right-click menu ?
  496. [16:26:09] <mkaply> nonkinetic: I have thought about both. That starts to get a little tricky because it is messing with content, but it is on my list.
  497. [16:27:32] * Mr_Elusive (n=Mr_Elusi@S0106000f66365909.wp.shawcable.net) Quit (Connection timed out)
  498. [16:27:39] <briansuda> yeah, you have to becareful because how many people at the meta element to stop Microsoft smart tags
  499. [16:27:54] <mkaply> It would definitely be an option.
  500. [16:28:00] <mkaply> And it wouldn't affect the page until hover
  501. [16:29:08] <briansuda> that's what those Microsoft Image toolbar does, it is only active on hover - just something to note
  502. [16:29:11] <mkaply> They are located in Austin (dishola) - I offered to go help them
  503. [16:29:28] <briansuda> http://dishola.com/dishes/view/86 only has one 'item', but the page is not valid
  504. [16:29:55] <mkaply> They also aren't doing vcards for the restaurants which is surprising
  505. [16:30:29] <briansuda> it might be a problem with the data in the database being saved as a single string
  506. [16:38:05] <DanC> hmm... http://dishola.com/users/register oh for openid!
  507. [16:40:06] <DanC> installing operator... unsigned. hmm.
  508. [16:40:23] <DanC> ew... gotta restart?
  509. [16:40:29] <mkaply> cool. dishola just offered me to go to a party. And they are going to fix their microformats
  510. [16:40:30] <mkaply> Sweet
  511. [16:42:41] <mkaply> DanC: Noone really knows how to sign extensions :(
  512. [16:42:48] <mkaply> And you have to restart because of the chrome change
  513. [16:43:04] <mkaply> DanC: If you want to, you can grab the beta from http://www.kaply.com/operator/operator.xpi
  514. [16:43:27] * mkaply is doing mucho testing today
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  516. [16:43:35] <DanC> is the beta interestingnly different from "Version 0.6.1, released on Jan 4, 2007."?
  517. [16:43:57] <DanC> it found one place and 9 events on my homepage. :) http://www.w3.org/People/Connolly/
  518. [16:44:25] <mkaply> Danc: It has support for XFolk, as well as the new debug dialogs I talked about.
  519. [16:44:52] <mkaply> support for object/include pattern in hCalendar
  520. [16:45:07] <DanC> hmm
  521. [16:45:11] <mkaply> Mag.nolia support
  522. [16:45:24] <DanC> I'm still getting my head around the basics. "Live Clipboard" sounds tasty
  523. [16:45:46] <mkaply> Well, it's not terribly interesting unless you have a place to paste it :)
  524. [16:46:00] <mkaply> http://www.kaply.com/weblog/2006/12/18/live-clipboard-in-operator/
  525. [16:46:20] <mkaply> Andy Mabbett had a really good suggestion I want to implement soon - format the event as text and copy it to the clipboard so you can paste it anywhere
  526. [16:46:37] <briansuda> eventful.com had Live Clipboard
  527. [16:47:09] <briansuda> the new Windows Live Writter supported Live Clipboard (not sure about a paste)
  528. [16:47:13] <mkaply> only for copying the events
  529. [16:47:19] <mkaply> Windows Live Writer supports pasting of events only
  530. [16:47:44] <mkaply> that's why all the eventful pages have two entries in operator - they create a second vcard for Live Clip
  531. [16:48:32] * DanC considers gluing live clipboard to his sidekick via the dngr XMLRPC interface
  532. [16:48:41] <monkinetic> mkaply: what about ma.gnolia support?
  533. [16:48:57] * danja (n=danja@80.104.217.162) Quit ()
  534. [16:49:28] <monkinetic> (i'm evngelizing ma.gnolia to support votelinks)
  535. [16:49:42] <briansuda> Live Clipboard is an XML wrapper around microformats and/or flat files
  536. [16:50:04] <DanC> what's in the wrapper?
  537. [16:50:18] <briansuda> some mimeTyping, let me find the schema
  538. [16:50:31] <mkaply> nonkinetic: just a handler to look for things at magnolia when we find a tag -
  539. [16:50:51] <briansuda> http://rayozzie.spaces.live.com/editorial/rayozzie/demo/liveclip/specification/v092.html
  540. [16:51:04] <briansuda> looks like:
  541. [16:51:05] <briansuda> <?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?>
  542. [16:51:05] <briansuda> <liveclipboard version="0.92" xmlns:lc="http://www.microsoft.com/schemas/liveclipboard">
  543. [16:51:05] <briansuda> <lc:data>
  544. [16:51:06] <briansuda> <lc:format type="vcard" contenttype="application/xhtml+xml">
  545. [16:51:06] <briansuda> <lc:item>
  546. [16:51:10] * DanC wishes for a hello-world example atop http://rayozzie.spaces.live.com/editorial/rayozzie/demo/liveclip/specification/v092.html
  547. [16:51:16] <briansuda> then your payload and then closing tags
  548. [16:51:37] <mkaply> DanC: I messed around with coding some live clipboard stuff
  549. [16:51:41] <mkaply> the MS Js code is UGLY
  550. [16:51:43] <DanC> type="vcard" er... is there some central registry of types? why not URIs? sigh.
  551. [16:51:43] <mkaply> bad ugly
  552. [16:51:57] <mkaply> I wish they had shown how to add live clipboard to an existing microformat
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  555. [16:53:10] <mkaply> I actually put the full serialized microformat on the clipboard (I don't clean it up) - the MS JS code cleans it up by creating a new card using SPANs/DIVs
  556. [16:53:22] * stuup (n=stuup@62-249-234-122.no-dns-yet.enta.net) has left #microformats
  557. [16:53:56] <briansuda> there is a mailing list for LC http://discussms.hosting.lsoft.com/archives/live-clip.html
  558. [16:55:49] <DanC> so in the single-item case, the liveclipboard markup adds no information. lc:item is used to separate items, I guess.
  559. [16:55:55] <mkaply> yep
  560. [16:56:07] <DanC> looks an awful lot like GDATA/Atom
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  562. [16:57:22] * DanC logs into delicious AGAIN, after restarting to install operator. oh for openid!
  563. [16:58:04] <DanC> phph. firefox crashes when I post to delicous
  564. [16:58:35] <briansuda> Simon Willison (http://simonwillison.net/) has been posting alot recently about OpenID
  565. [16:58:58] <briansuda> he works for Yahoo! UK so would imagine they are looking to build it into some of their properties
  566. [16:59:06] * briansuda could be complete wrong too
  567. [17:00:04] * drewinthehead thinks briansuda should hold that thought for a few days
  568. [17:00:26] <DanC> it sure would be nice if ff sessionsaver integrated with gnome so that I wouldn't have to sort thru the 20 windows every time I restart ff, minimizing most of them and putting them in various desktops
  569. [17:00:37] <drewinthehead> Simon actually works for Sunnyvale
  570. [17:00:48] <briansuda> Ah, but is he based in London?
  571. [17:01:39] <monkinetic> interesting. ma.gnolia is now parsing upcoming hcal events and showing the event data on the bookmark detail page, but does not reproduce the hcal uF.
  572. [17:01:49] <monkinetic> (upcoming.org)
  573. [17:02:06] <monkinetic> (cf. http://ma.gnolia.com/people/lhalff/bookmarks/buluwik)
  574. [17:04:12] * KevinMarks (n=Snak@pdpc/supporter/active/kevinmarks) Quit ("The computer fell asleep")
  575. [17:04:49] <mkaply> that's silly
  576. [17:04:50] <briansuda> that is interesting, i wonder why they don't repurpose the data again in microformats, (maybe they are worried about legal issues?), the ma.gnolia guys are very keen on implementing microformats
  577. [17:04:53] <DanC> hmm... why can't I type in the address bar any more, since installing operator?
  578. [17:06:49] <monkinetic> briansuda: i commented on the post announcing the feature - http://ma.gnolia.com/blog/2007/01/10/ma-gnolia-meets-upcoming-org-save-the-date - bringing up the question. feel free to drop in and add your 2c.
  579. [17:07:52] <DanC> operator seems to grok my itinerary pretty well. http://www.w3.org/2007/01dc-bos/bos-jan.html
  580. [17:08:34] <DanC> it finds 8 contacts, most of which are dups
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  582. [17:08:58] <DanC> hmm... what does "export contact" do? it seems to just do nothing
  583. [17:09:56] <DanC> argh! what's going on with the address bar?
  584. [17:11:11] <DanC> interesting... no hcard on https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/19155/author/
  585. [17:11:38] <DanC> my back button is gone. this is really, really wierd
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  587. [17:11:58] <jibot> danja is Danny Ayers, http://dannyayers.com
  588. [17:13:02] * briansuda waves at danja, we have been chatting about Operator and Microformats
  589. [17:14:05] * mustaqila_ (n=moose@last.fm/staff/Muz) Quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
  590. [17:14:10] <DanC> hmm... the operator "actions" are all noun phrases, e.g. Flickr. What does "Flickr" mean as an action? add to flickr? see releated things on flickr?
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  592. [17:15:23] <DanC> operator finds 32 contacts and 11 events on http://www.w3.org/People/Connolly/events/ . no noticeable performance issue.
  593. [17:16:12] * DanC can't find much in the way of Operator docs; tries to UTSL...
  594. [17:17:21] <monkinetic> DanC: i've had the same issue with my address bar going wonky and my home-back-forward buttons disappearing
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  597. [17:17:38] <monkinetic> i had not linked it to operator, but maybe there's somethign there
  598. [17:17:57] <DanC> monkinetic, I'm using ff on debian linux (aka iceweasel)
  599. [17:18:04] <monkinetic> i hid the operator toolbar and have not had issues since, i think
  600. [17:18:12] <monkinetic> FF/Win
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  602. [17:18:44] * DanC struggles to figure out how to hide the operator toolbar
  603. [17:19:14] <monkinetic> right click in the tolbar area (not the operator toolbar, strangely enough) but up by the address bar
  604. [17:19:20] <monkinetic> then deselect operator
  605. [17:19:34] <monkinetic> or, view->toolbars->operator
  606. [17:19:41] <monkinetic> (in the menu)
  607. [17:21:17] <monkinetic> i think you'll have to close the window and open a new one to fix the address bar problem though
  608. [17:21:29] <DanC> thanks... I've got the operator toolbar hidden now... but ... ah...
  609. [17:21:32] * danja waves, scrolls back...
  610. [17:21:47] <DanC> yes, new windows have back buttons. thanks!
  611. [17:21:54] <DanC> no... where do we file the problem report/bug?
  612. [17:21:56] <monkinetic> DanC: do you have th status icon on?
  613. [17:21:59] * kergoth`zzz is now known as kergoth
  614. [17:22:10] <DanC> I just turned on the status icon
  615. [17:22:16] <monkinetic> yeah
  616. [17:22:27] <monkinetic> not as useful perhaps, but workable
  617. [17:23:46] <DanC> the operator geo items... the lat/long is used for the menu item labels. kinda ugly. is that by design? or is my markup lacking something?
  618. [17:25:01] * drewinthehead (i=mclellan@nat/yahoo/x-45ebcaa033e041cd) Quit ()
  619. [17:25:12] * Cloud_ (n=Cloud@deri-wg1.nuigalway.ie) Quit ()
  620. [17:26:49] * danja concerned over mkaply's head-explosion at grddl...
  621. [17:28:28] <danja> cool, briansuda + revyu.com
  622. [17:30:17] <DanC> what does operator do with hresume? I see http://sobac.com/bjonkman/resume/ linked from the operator testing page (which is way cool). operator seems to notice contacts and events on the resume; is that all it's designed to do?
  623. [17:30:27] * DanC resumes hunting for source
  624. [17:31:10] * briansuda keep an eye out for hresume on linked in soon
  625. [17:31:27] <danja> oo, nice
  626. [17:31:34] <DanC> danja, do you have a profile for hresume?
  627. [17:32:08] * mlinksva (n=mlinksva@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/mlinksva) has joined #microformats
  628. [17:32:08] <jibot> mlinksva is Mike Linksvayer and from Creative Commons
  629. [17:32:15] <DanC> or was chime working on that hresume profile?
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  631. [17:32:45] <DanC> hmm... does operator animate license info?
  632. [17:33:37] * pecus (n=pecus@194.65.5.235) Quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
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  634. [17:35:40] <danja> DanC, hresume profile - no
  635. [17:36:01] * danja adds it to the list
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  637. [17:39:57] <danja> I still didn't finish a hReview xslt - is a reasonably complete one in circulation?
  638. [17:40:17] <DanC> dunno
  639. [17:40:38] <mfbot> [[hcard-examples-in-wild-fr]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples-in-wild-fr&diff=0&oldid=12431 * ChristopheDucamp * (+2912) synchronizing
  640. [17:40:39] <DanC> oh... we have one in the grddl primer somewhere...
  641. [17:42:29] <DanC> hmm... I should be able to follow my nose from http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/doc29/hotel-data.html to find it, but I don't see a transformation link. briansuda ?
  642. [17:42:49] <briansuda> not yet DanC
  643. [17:43:07] <DanC> you're not using xslt ot make hotel-data.rdf?
  644. [17:43:13] <briansuda> the XSLT is not completely finished so it hasn't been checked into CVS
  645. [17:43:17] <DanC> phpht
  646. [17:43:27] <DanC> please check in what you have
  647. [17:43:29] <briansuda> i am using my XSLT, it is in HG
  648. [17:43:35] <DanC> oh... where in hg?
  649. [17:43:47] <briansuda> hg.microformats.org/ in x2v/hreview
  650. [17:44:17] * DanC wonders how to get briansuda out of "it's not perfect so I'm not sharing" mode
  651. [17:44:29] <DanC> ;-0
  652. [17:44:30] <DanC> ;-)
  653. [17:44:57] <DanC> ok, there it is, in http://hg.microformats.org/x2v?cmd=manifest;manifest=68367b0de344b09aaa871314e355e7d6e62a86b4;path=/hreview/
  654. [17:45:26] * DanC wishes hg would use svn-style URIs
  655. [17:47:26] <DanC> hmm... <xsl:template name="nCallBack"> ... so you're trying to share code between conversions to .vcf and .rdf formats... that's an interesting challeng in XSLT.
  656. [17:48:21] <danja> briansuda, it looks *considerably* more finished than mine
  657. [17:49:13] <briansuda> well i have been working on stuff with Tony Heath from revyu and getting some more things worked out
  658. [17:49:22] <briansuda> the XSLT tends to break pretty easy
  659. [17:49:43] <briansuda> it doesn't work with the W3C XSLT 2.0 service, so it still needs some work
  660. [17:50:02] <DanC> thanks for sharing despite the issues
  661. [17:50:08] <briansuda> then there has been talks of introducing exslt elements, and i need to test compatibility
  662. [17:52:18] <danja> depends a lot which elements - the extensions that can be done in xslt are sweet
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  664. [17:54:24] <briansuda> well the problem is that i need to "pass back" multiple values from a template
  665. [17:54:48] <briansuda> right now i am 'cheating' with a call back template, but with some exslt you can pass back multiple balues
  666. [17:54:50] <briansuda> values
  667. [17:56:55] <DanC> sounds like the sort of thing that's much more straightforward in XSLT 2.0. (not to mention python/php/perl...) hmm.
  668. [18:00:06] <briansuda> well, it is because i tried to create a single XSL that finds the data, then you basically write the presentational logic for any given format
  669. [18:00:30] <briansuda> that single MF-template.xsl handles the nitty-gritty
  670. [18:00:55] * DanC finds http://www.kaply.com/operator/hResume.js ... studies, slowly...
  671. [18:03:35] <DanC> hmm... where's Microformats.js ? I'm having a really hard time finding the operator source.
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  674. [18:05:14] <jibot> kingryan is ryan king
  675. [18:05:24] * DanC tries to unpack http://www.kaply.com/operator/operator.xpi
  676. [18:06:41] <mkaply> DanC: is that with the beta (the button problem and the typing problem)
  677. [18:07:02] <DanC> no, I haven't installed the beta yet
  678. [18:07:16] <mkaply> nonkinetic: I had done something really bad in my code that hopefully fixes the problem
  679. [18:08:13] <mkaply> DanC: the source code isn't in a CVS repository yet.
  680. [18:08:26] <mkaply> DanC: I'm here now - ask me any question you have
  681. [18:08:40] <mkaply> the hResume stuff - I wasn't sure what to do with an hResume. That why it doesn't have many "actions"
  682. [18:08:41] * DanC found the source in a .jar in the .xpi
  683. [18:08:46] <mkaply> And i would love better name for the Actions.
  684. [18:08:52] <mkaply> Those were kind of thrown together
  685. [18:09:15] <mfbot> [[User:ChristopheDucamp]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User:ChristopheDucamp&diff=0&oldid=12432 * ChristopheDucamp * (+671) hcard-test to be continued...
  686. [18:10:11] <DanC> I switched to the other view (can't find the name now; how do I get the options dialog with the toolbar turned off?)
  687. [18:10:34] <mkaply> ff2 OR FF 1.5?
  688. [18:10:50] <DanC> Display style Microformats makes more sense, to me, than Actions
  689. [18:10:53] <DanC> ff2
  690. [18:11:00] <mkaply> Tools->Add-ons
  691. [18:11:05] <DanC> Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1.1) Gecko/20061205 Iceweasel/2.0.0.1 (Debian-2.0.0.1+dfsg-1)
  692. [18:11:06] <mkaply> right click on the extension and select Options
  693. [18:11:16] <mkaply> I'm going to add an Options menu to the statusbar and toolbar button today
  694. [18:12:39] <mkaply> Work in progress :)
  695. [18:12:41] <DanC> the javascript equivalent of python's "import" seems to involve an awful lot of gyrations.
  696. [18:13:43] * danja can't get focussed on work, might as well have a look at Operator ;-)
  697. [18:14:20] <Ronnos> hm, same problem here danja... totally unfocussed today :D
  698. [18:16:02] <DanC> hmm... no yield. ( returnElements.push(node); )
  699. [18:17:09] <DanC> xpathResult = content.document.evaluate("//*[contains(@" + attributeName + ", '" + attributeValue + "' )]", rootElement, null, 0, null);
  700. [18:17:21] <DanC> let's compare that to...
  701. [18:18:28] <DanC> <xsl:when test="(descendant::*[contains(concat(' ',normalize-space(@class),' '),' summary ')]
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  703. [18:19:23] <DanC> the js code will match @class="vcardDoodad"
  704. [18:19:25] <DanC> right?
  705. [18:21:22] <briansuda> it looks that way to me, yes
  706. [18:21:38] <danja> what about the ,
  707. [18:21:51] <mfbot> [[User:ChristopheDucamp]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User:ChristopheDucamp&diff=0&oldid=12433 * ChristopheDucamp * (+0)
  708. [18:21:53] <DanC> the , separates the args to contains
  709. [18:22:12] <danja> in the js
  710. [18:22:21] <danja> ah, rigfht
  711. [18:23:06] <DanC> I wonder if @class="vcardDoodad" is in the hcard tests. I don't think we have many negative tests.
  712. [18:23:48] <kingryan> we have a few negative tests, but I'm not sure if we do for that
  713. [18:24:03] <kingryan> we need to start http://microformats.org/wiki/tests-issues
  714. [18:24:25] <briansuda> we have a few possitive/negitive test for TAGS
  715. [18:25:12] <kingryan> and for include-pattern
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  717. [18:26:21] <mkaply> DanC: I have a fix for that.
  718. [18:26:37] <mkaply> "//*[contains(concat(' ', @" + attributeName + ", ' '), ' " + attributeValue + " ')]";
  719. [18:27:06] <mkaply> DanC: I test those class names
  720. [18:27:17] <mkaply> foovcard vcardfoo fovcardbar
  721. [18:28:11] <DanC> I think your fix needs spaces around the attributeValue too
  722. [18:28:31] <mkaply> they are there - ' "
  723. [18:28:33] <mkaply> just hard to see
  724. [18:28:38] <DanC> ah.
  725. [18:28:41] <DanC> indeed, hard to see
  726. [18:28:44] * DanC loves python's doctest
  727. [18:29:06] <mkaply> basically, add spaces around the whole attribute and then test against <space>attributeValue<space>
  728. [18:29:15] <DanC> right
  729. [18:29:21] <mkaply> the original operator was parsing node by node (not xpath)
  730. [18:29:35] <mkaply> based on my initial tests, switching to xpath improved performance by ver 10000%
  731. [18:29:48] <DanC> is xpath support in js widely deployed?
  732. [18:29:57] <mkaply> Not reallt
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  734. [18:30:07] <DanC> oh joy
  735. [18:30:28] <mkaply> do a search on getElementsByClass on the web - noone is using xpath
  736. [18:30:39] <mkaply> I was told that if I used CSS selectors, it could be even faster, but I can't find any JS code on how to use CSS selectors
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  738. [18:31:49] <briansuda> jquery has some stuff, but it can't solve all the issues
  739. [18:32:25] <mkaply> the xpath should be good enough. It made some very obvious performance improvements. I have no delay switching tabs, even on large pages
  740. [18:32:28] <mfbot> [[tests-issues]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/tests-issues * RyanKing * (+775) started page, added issued raised in IRC by DanC
  741. [18:34:41] <DanC> when I asked "is xpath support in js widely deployed", I meant: do javascript engines support it? not: do js programmers use it?
  742. [18:35:52] <kingryan_> DanC: that's the way I interpreted- I don't think it's widely deployed (ie, IE doesn't support it)
  743. [18:36:25] <jcw9> Doesn't internet explorer lack xpath?
  744. [18:36:42] <DanC> I guess I should re-callibrate; this js is in a ff extension, where concerns about what IE supports are much less relevant
  745. [18:38:07] <jcw9> It seems pretty commonplace in FF development
  746. [18:38:09] <DanC> I wonder what the half-life of an IE release is. If some mind-bogglinly dangerous security issue were found in IE 4, 5, and 6, and MS said "we're only gonna fix it in IE7", I wonder how long the world would take to upgrade.
  747. [18:38:29] <mfbot> [[User:ChristopheDucamp]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User:ChristopheDucamp&diff=0&oldid=12434 * ChristopheDucamp * (+1147)
  748. [18:38:39] <jcw9> I was doing some greasemonkey stuff and I was amazed by how great xpath was after having to fuck with the dom all the time
  749. [18:38:44] <DanC> I saw some instructions for running IE7 on linux yesterday. I didn't really get to the bottom of them.
  750. [18:39:11] <jcw9> I'm looking at converting that Windows XP disk image MS has to run on QEMU
  751. [18:39:35] <danja> moz xpath docs appear to be actively maintained
  752. [18:39:42] <jcw9> Our "testing environment" right now is open VNC servers on all the crappy dells with weird ie versions isntalled
  753. [18:40:35] * DanC wonders if jcw9 has seen "You, me and the W3C (aka Reinventing HTML)" by Chris Wilson http://blogs.msdn.com/cwilso/archive/2007/01/10/you-me-and-the-w3c-aka-reinventing-html.aspx
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  755. [18:41:56] <jcw9> What about it?
  756. [18:42:28] <DanC> I'd like to think it offers some hope of getting away from VNC+dells-with-crappy-old-ie-versions
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  764. [18:55:02] <mkaply> argh
  765. [18:55:03] <mkaply> <a href="/cwilso/archive/tags/ajaxexperience/default.aspx" rel="tag">ajaxexperience</a>
  766. [18:55:30] <mkaply> should I be backparsing and getting ajaxeperience as the tag name from the URL
  767. [18:55:35] <mkaply> Should i be smarter like that?
  768. [18:56:00] <mfbot> [[User:ChristopheDucamp]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User:ChristopheDucamp&diff=0&oldid=12437 * ChristopheDucamp * (+7)
  769. [18:57:03] <briansuda> no, it is the last piece after the last '/'
  770. [18:57:10] <briansuda> so it should be default.aspx
  771. [18:57:53] <mkaply> I have to tell you that based on my experience thus far with operator and rel-tag, that spec is totally screwed up.
  772. [18:58:15] <mkaply> A lot of people just don't have that kind of control over their urLs.
  773. [18:58:23] * monkinetic kills IE in the face
  774. [18:58:24] <briansuda> :) you should send an email to the lost serv which your results
  775. [18:58:28] <mkaply> They install software, and the software gives them that URL
  776. [18:59:04] * monkinetic nods
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  779. [19:04:16] <DanC> what bugs me about tags is that everybody assumes they live on technorati; i.e. they ignore the part of the URL before the last /
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  781. [19:08:56] <monkinetic> DanC: well, technorati was the first one (or one of the first ones) aggregating tags, so everyone glommed onto that. are you saying that you wish that the local tag spaces got more attention?
  782. [19:09:10] <DanC> yes
  783. [19:09:21] <monkinetic> so what behavior would you like to see?
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  785. [19:12:30] <mkaply> One think I should do is to change operator so first action is "Load the URL"
  786. [19:12:38] <mkaply> as opposed to pointing everyone somewhere else to load the tagspace
  787. [19:13:07] <mkaply> Although, I was wondering if operator needs to provide access to things that are already on the web page - or is it about extending the functionality of the web page using the microformats
  788. [19:13:52] * monkinetic wonders aloud if rel-tag needs a related <link rel=tagspace href=http://thesite/path/to/space>
  789. [19:14:03] <monkinetic> or is that assumed based on the rel-tag spec?
  790. [19:14:39] <kingryan> DanC: there have been more tagspaces popping up. Note that WordPress 2 uses a local tag space rather than technorati
  791. [19:15:41] <monkinetic> gah!!
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  793. [19:15:54] * monkinetic notices his local tags point to index.php?tag=
  794. [19:16:02] <monkinetic> eep! /me goes to fix
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  796. [19:27:29] <danja> it would be nice for Operator to do *something* with the tag space (linking is good), though maybe presenting http://tagspace.org/tag as a link might be enough...
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  802. [19:36:15] <Prometheus^> nice :)
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  823. [20:03:22] <mkaply> Operator is in theory the beginning of what Firefox 3 microformats will be
  824. [20:03:55] <mkaply> I'm wondering if I should rename the "common name" of tag to Tagspace(s) instead of Tag(s) to make it more clear that you are searching for the pages tags on other tagspaces
  825. [20:05:38] <jcw9> I think yes
  826. [20:05:55] <mfbot> [[hcard-examples-in-wild-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples-in-wild-fr&diff=0&oldid=12439 * ChristopheDucamp * (+1852) Exemples -
  827. [20:06:22] <jcw9> mkaply, have you given any thought to giving operator a portalish thing? have people been sending you any new handlers for services or formats?
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  829. [20:07:06] <mkaply> I had a suggestion to use http://userscripts.org/ to allow this
  830. [20:07:12] <mkaply> I haven't created a community around it though
  831. [20:07:50] <jcw9> Yea, that was me :X
  832. [20:08:00] <mkaply> ha
  833. [20:08:19] <jcw9> I need to go back to yr blog and add use the co.mments bookmarklets, I'm forgetting to watch stuff for replies
  834. [20:08:20] <mkaply> I know someone inside IBM someone is working on hAtom for Operator totally independent of me
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  837. [20:11:10] <mkaply> anyone have a site off the top of their head that use rel license?
  838. [20:11:56] <jcw9> Doesn't google have a license search?
  839. [20:12:02] <jcw9> that might turn up a bunch
  840. [20:15:46] <mkaply> I've thought about putting rel=license in operator but I have no idea what it would mean
  841. [20:16:10] <mkaply> the Moz
  842. [20:16:24] <mkaply> the MozCC extension appears to have a list of what URLs correspond to what licenses
  843. [20:16:25] <mkaply> I think
  844. [20:17:47] <mfbot> [[hcard-examples-in-wild-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples-in-wild-fr&diff=0&oldid=12441 * ChristopheDucamp * (+1504) Exemples avec quelques problèmes -
  845. [20:20:18] <mfbot> [[hcard-examples-in-wild-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples-in-wild-fr&diff=0&oldid=12442 * ChristopheDucamp * (+0) Exemples avec quelques problèmes -
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  847. [20:23:20] <mkaply> why hasn't anyone suggested using title="foo" on a rel="tag" if they don't want us to use the content of the tag?
  848. [20:23:47] <sreynen_> they have
  849. [20:24:09] <sreynen_> but that has the same problems as using the node value
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  890. [21:47:49] <davecard1ell> I don't suppose the Operator developer is in here??
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  894. [21:49:32] <jibot> RobertBachmann is Robert Bachmann <http://rbach.priv.at> from Austria (TZ: 0100)
  895. [21:50:10] <mfbot> [[currency-issues-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=currency-issues-fr&diff=0&oldid=12457 * ChristopheDucamp * (-3) Alternative 1 -
  896. [21:50:13] <sreynen> davecard1ell, mkaply is the operator dev, and he doesn't appear to be here
  897. [21:50:35] <davecard1ell> ok - thanks
  898. [21:50:41] <mfbot> [[currency-issues-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=currency-issues-fr&diff=0&oldid=12458 * ChristopheDucamp * (-1) Alternative 2 -
  899. [21:51:00] <davecard1ell> there is a conflict with the Tab Mix Plus extension that stops links from external apps from opening in tabs instead of windows when using the Operator plugin
  900. [21:51:06] * davecard1ell is now known as davecardwell
  901. [21:51:30] <davecardwell> I'll let him know
  902. [21:52:19] <sreynen> i believe that's already been reported: http://rbach.priv.at/Microformats-IRC/2007-01-05#T173801
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  904. [21:52:23] <jibot> amanuel is Amanuel, the social ambassador at http://otavo.com
  905. [21:52:27] <mfbot> [[currency-issues-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=currency-issues-fr&diff=0&oldid=12459 * ChristopheDucamp * (+60) Alternative 3 -
  906. [21:53:00] <davecardwell> ah, yes it's mentioned on https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/4106/
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  908. [21:56:03] <mfbot> [[currency-issues-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=currency-issues-fr&diff=0&oldid=12460 * ChristopheDucamp * (+30) Commentaires -
  909. [21:56:24] <mfbot> [[currency-issues-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=currency-issues-fr&diff=0&oldid=12461 * ChristopheDucamp * (+1) Commentaires -
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  922. [22:32:48] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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  924. [22:38:45] * mkaply (n=mkaply@user-12lml8q.cable.mindspring.com) has joined #microformats
  925. [22:38:45] <jibot> mkaply is Michael Kaply <http://www.kaply.com/weblog/> and is the developer of Operator <https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/4106/>
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  928. [22:43:40] <OpenStandards> mkaply, nice extension
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  930. [22:44:02] <OpenStandards> tried it today quite impressed by it
  931. [22:44:17] <mkaply> OpenStandards: thanks
  932. [22:45:22] <OpenStandards> take you long to write?
  933. [22:47:49] <hober> yeah, operator rocks
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  935. [22:50:34] <mkaply> A couple weeks
  936. [22:50:54] <mkaply> IT was a nice learning experience though.
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  941. [23:06:20] <mkaply> is red really that offensive - should I not use that color to make invalid microformats stand out?
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  943. [23:06:34] <mkaply> (in the menus)
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  945. [23:09:23] <mfbot> [[xfolk]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=xfolk&diff=0&oldid=12462 * Tantek * (-5) rel-tag spelling, positive wording tweaks,
  946. [23:09:43] * tantek (n=tantek@dsl092-180-250.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net) has joined #microformats
  947. [23:09:43] * ChanServ sets mode +o tantek
  948. [23:09:43] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
  949. [23:13:08] <tantek> http://twitter.com/t/statuses/2665143 :)
  950. [23:14:11] <hober> nice
  951. [23:14:54] * hober grins every time he notices that eventful is the only site to appear under both ping senders and receivers
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  953. [23:42:59] <veeliam> http://twitter.com/vanderwal/statuses/2574753
  954. [23:50:39] <tantek> veeliam - saw that LOL!
  955. [23:52:07] * jinx__ is now known as jinx_
  956. [23:53:40] <veeliam> tantek, yep.
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