IRC Log for #microformats on 2007-01-15

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  10. [00:39:25] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  20. [02:17:44] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  27. [05:03:21] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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  43. [08:44:30] <jibot> tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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  45. [08:47:01] <jibot> iand is Ian Davis who blogs at http://iandavis.com/blog
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  47. [09:05:25] <jibot> trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and helps with www.multipack.co.uk
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  49. [09:17:23] <jibot> Ronnos is Ron Kok, a friendly student Communication and Multimedia Design in The Netherlands
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  55. [10:30:43] <jibot> julianstahnke is Julian Stahnke and works for last.fm and implements microformats wherever he can
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  58. [10:45:30] <jibot> briansuda is brian suda of http://suda.co.uk and is at (-0000 GMT) and is author of "Using Microformats" for O'Reilly [http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/microformats/]
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  72. [12:08:11] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
  73. [12:12:13] <mfbot> [[podcasts]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=podcasts&diff=0&oldid=12517 * AndyMabbett * (+13) 2007; rm. first person
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  80. [12:47:25] <mfbot> [[Main Page]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=12523 * Chewy * (+55)
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  86. [13:01:00] <jibot> csarven is Sarven Capadisli and can be found online at http://www.csarven.ca
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  88. [13:16:39] <mfbot> [[Main Page]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=12526 * Radharc * (+11724) Revert due to vandalism
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  91. [13:18:01] <jibot> Charl is Charl van Niekerk and writes about standards at http://standards.za.net/
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  100. [14:13:47] <jibot> BenWard is Ben Ward of http://ben-ward.co.uk ( 0000/ 0100 GMT)
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  117. [15:03:25] <jibot> sreynen is Scott Reynen, who makes things at makedatamakesense.com
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  119. [15:08:09] <jibot> mkaply is Michael Kaply <http://www.kaply.com/weblog/> and is the developer of Operator <https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/4106/>
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  148. [18:04:31] <Kris_home> hmmm... Operator seems to base a tag off the HREF attribute of a rel-tagged anchor
  149. [18:04:52] <Kris_home> and not the textnode within the anchor
  150. [18:07:23] <hober> Kris_home: that's how rel-tag is defined
  151. [18:07:38] <hober> <a rel="tag" href="http://foo.com/bar/baz">quux</a> is the tag 'baz'
  152. [18:07:57] <hober> <a rel="tag" href="http://foo.com/bar?baz=quux">quuux</a> is the tag 'bar'
  153. [18:08:11] <Kris_home> hmmm...
  154. [18:08:24] <Kris_home> that forces one to use a particular URL structure
  155. [18:08:42] <Kris_home> because the latter structure is what I am aiming at
  156. [18:08:55] <hober> rel-tag requires a tag-space, yes
  157. [18:08:57] <Kris_home> ../search/?tags=foobar
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  160. [18:09:34] <hober> http://microformats.org/wiki/rel-tag#Tag_Spaces
  161. [18:09:48] <Kris_home> thanks
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  163. [18:10:54] <Kris_home> i don't think that makes any sense, though
  164. [18:11:19] <hober> what doesn't make sense about it?
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  166. [18:11:40] <Kris_home> why would one limit himself to this particular URI structure
  167. [18:12:32] <Kris_home> it's almost like somebody thought that he likes this type of descriptive URI's a lot and made it into a requirement to start using rel-tags
  168. [18:14:22] <hober> Perhaps you should add your voice to this issue on http://microformats.org/wiki/rel-tag-issues
  169. [18:14:41] <Kris_home> why weren't they implemented the same way a lot of other microformats were? like <a rel="tag" ...>tagname</a> or <a rel="tag" ... title="tagname">arbitrary text</a>
  170. [18:15:58] <Kris_home> somebody already does
  171. [18:16:02] <Kris_home> "006-02-09 raised by JonathanFeinberg
  172. [18:16:08] <Kris_home> 1. Issue 1: It's bizarre to have the tag be denoted by the URL. The content of the a tag is a perfectly suitable place to contain the tag."
  173. [18:16:26] <hober> right, that's why I said "add your voice" :)
  174. [18:16:35] <Kris_home> however...
  175. [18:16:37] <Kris_home> "REJECTED, IGNORES ESTABLISHED PRACTICE"
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  177. [18:16:42] <Kris_home> so there we go
  178. [18:16:48] <hober> e.g., flickr, delicious, eventful
  179. [18:16:59] <Kris_home> i am right when i said "somebody like certain URI's..."
  180. [18:17:08] <KevinMarks> the established practice is one reason
  181. [18:17:46] <hober> Kris: I think stating it like that implies that the reason is entirely subjective/arbitrary, which isn't accurate
  182. [18:18:27] <Kris_home> i don't think that "a lot of sites/bloggers do it this way" warrants a decision like this
  183. [18:19:33] <mfbot> [[podcasts-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=podcasts-fr&diff=0&oldid=12527 * ChristopheDucamp * (+210) sync'd
  184. [18:20:01] <hober> It might be helpful to think of rel-tag as analagous to atom:category. <a rel="tag" href="X/Y">Z</a> is analagous to <atom:category atom:scheme="X" atom:term="Y" atom:label="Z" />
  185. [18:21:41] <Kris_home> you're telling me that a tag's term and a tag's label are two different things? that reminds me of Alice in Wonderland where one's name if different from what one's called (and what one's name is called)
  186. [18:23:07] <Kris_home> "It's not reasonable to restrict the host's REST implementation according to this spec's rather limited idea of a "good" tag URL. The idea of tags as query parameters is rejected without justification, for example. Query parameters are a perfectly legitimate means of denoting state.
  187. [18:23:59] <KevinMarks> the goal was to make sure it is pointing at a legitimate tagspaces
  188. [18:24:24] <mfbot> [[robots-exclusion-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=robots-exclusion-fr&diff=0&oldid=12528 * ChristopheDucamp * (+868) sync'd
  189. [18:24:26] <Kris_home> i understand, a place where that particular tag is the main matter
  190. [18:24:36] <KevinMarks> which was a social engineering matter
  191. [18:24:51] <Kris_home> why would a URI like foobar.com/search?tag=foo not suffice?
  192. [18:24:52] <KevinMarks> it's too easy to game otherwise;
  193. [18:25:17] <KevinMarks> goatse.cx?tag=shiny
  194. [18:25:38] <Kris_home> it doesn't suffice because Flickr and del.icio.us did it differently and they are cool
  195. [18:25:58] <Kris_home> i see, abuse sensitivity
  196. [18:26:36] <Kris_home> but that is 'easily' overcome with goatse.cx/shiny, isn't it?
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  199. [18:28:20] <mfbot> [[advocacy-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=advocacy-fr&diff=0&oldid=12529 * ChristopheDucamp * (+249) Programmes Télévision -
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  202. [18:31:46] <mfbot> [[advocacy-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=advocacy-fr&diff=0&oldid=12530 * ChristopheDucamp * (+98) Listing Concerts/ Théâtre -
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  205. [18:38:28] <mfbot> [[advocacy-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=advocacy-fr&diff=0&oldid=12532 * ChristopheDucamp * (+425) ClearForest -
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  218. [19:23:31] * bewest pokes kingryan and KevinMarks
  219. [19:23:47] <bewest> are there any graphs or stats of what pingerati pings look like over course of a typical day?
  220. [19:24:06] <bewest> some people here are interested in peaks and load and whatnot
  221. [19:24:15] <KevinMarks> not at the moment
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  225. [19:38:29] <mfbot> [[hreview-profile]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/hreview-profile * RogerCostello * (+840)
  226. [19:40:30] <mfbot> [[hreview-profile]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hreview-profile&diff=0&oldid=12535 * RogerCostello * (+1090)
  227. [19:41:11] <mfbot> [[hreview-profile]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hreview-profile&diff=0&oldid=12536 * RogerCostello * (-9)
  228. [19:42:05] <kingryan> bewest: I could probably get something for you.
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  230. [19:42:20] <kingryan> bewest: btw, I'm working with pallas on getting pings going to you guys, should be up today
  231. [19:42:37] <mfbot> [[hreview-profile]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hreview-profile&diff=0&oldid=12537 * RogerCostello * (+84)
  232. [19:42:43] <mfbot> [[hresume]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hresume&diff=0&oldid=12538 * ClintAndrewHall * (+123) Examples in the wild -
  233. [19:43:44] <mfbot> [[User:ClintAndrewHall]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/User:ClintAndrewHall * ClintAndrewHall * (+98)
  234. [19:44:55] <bewest> kingryan: yes, that is why I'm asking
  235. [19:44:57] <bewest> :-)
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  238. [19:57:10] <kingryan> bewest: it's pretty low traffic
  239. [19:57:27] <kingryan> and by "low" I mean low for the companies we work at :D
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  244. [20:14:53] <bewest> :-)
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  259. [22:21:38] <mfbot> [[hreview-profile]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hreview-profile&diff=0&oldid=12539 * AndyMabbett * (-13) fmt
  260. [22:22:53] <tantek> greetings - wondering if sf bay area microformatters are available the evening of 1/18 for a semi-last minute microformats dinner
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  265. [22:40:13] <kingryan> don't forget to mention the special guest
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  268. [22:52:26] <tantek> a certain CSS expert with the initials EAM
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  271. [23:19:20] <mfbot> [[hcalendar-examples-in-wild]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=12540 * Webf * (+287) Examples with some problems -
  272. [23:20:22] <bewest> that's a thursday?
  273. [23:25:37] <kingryan> this thursday
  274. [23:33:21] <KevinMarks> thuesdy clashes with Niall's techsession, which sounded interesting and vaguely microformatty
  275. [23:33:58] <KevinMarks> http://sftechsessions.com/2007/01/mobile-connected-gadgets/
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  278. [23:42:03] <mfbot> [[hcalendar-examples-in-wild]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=12541 * AndyMabbett * (+159) Examples with some problems - Webfeet malformed
  279. [23:45:47] <bewest> where/when?
  280. [23:54:54] <kingryan> working on that, judging interest first
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