IRC Log for #microformats on 2007-01-15
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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Atamido is Paul Bryson, http://orangeman.commo.de/
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bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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bengee is Benjamin Nowack (http://bnode.org/)
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[[podcasts]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=podcasts&diff=0&oldid=12515 * JohnAllsopp * (+190) 2006 -
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[[presentations]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=presentations&diff=0&oldid=12516 * JohnAllsopp * (+102) 2006 -
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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iand is Ian Davis who blogs at http://iandavis.com/blog
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trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and helps with www.multipack.co.uk
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Ronnos is Ron Kok, a friendly student Communication and Multimedia Design in The Netherlands
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ryanlowe is Ryan Lowe, http://www.fanconcert.com
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julianstahnke is Julian Stahnke and works for last.fm and implements microformats wherever he can
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briansuda is brian suda of http://suda.co.uk and is at (-0000 GMT) and is author of "Using Microformats" for O'Reilly [http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/microformats/]
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bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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[[podcasts]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=podcasts&diff=0&oldid=12517 * AndyMabbett * (+13) 2007; rm. first person
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[[Main Page]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=12518 * Chewy * (-12151)
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[[Main Page]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=12519 * MrBlobles * (+43)
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[[Main Page]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=12520 * Chewy * (+41)
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[[Main Page]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=12521 * MrBlobles * (+90)
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[[Main Page]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=12522 * MrBlobles * (+4)
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[[Main Page]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=12523 * Chewy * (+55)
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[[Main Page]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=12524 * MrBlobles * (+70)
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[[Main Page]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=12525 * Chewy * (+124)
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csarven is Sarven Capadisli and can be found online at http://www.csarven.ca
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[[Main Page]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=12526 * Radharc * (+11724) Revert due to vandalism
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Charl is Charl van Niekerk and writes about standards at http://standards.za.net/
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[[Special:Log/block]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Special:Log/block&diff=0&oldid=0 * Phae * (+0) blocked "User:Chewy" with an expiry time of forever: vandalism
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[[Special:Log/block]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Special:Log/block&diff=0&oldid=0 * Phae * (+0) blocked "User:MrBlobles" with an expiry time of forever: vandalism
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BenWard is Ben Ward of http://ben-ward.co.uk ( 0000/ 0100 GMT)
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Mr_Elusive is not a programmer from id but makes his home at http://eswat.ca
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sreynen is Scott Reynen, who makes things at makedatamakesense.com
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mkaply is Michael Kaply <http://www.kaply.com/weblog/> and is the developer of Operator <https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/4106/>
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iand is Ian Davis who blogs at http://iandavis.com/blog
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veeliam is William Lawrence <http://zaxbypass.com>
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- [18:04:31] <Kris_home>
hmmm... Operator seems to base a tag off the HREF attribute of a rel-tagged anchor
- [18:04:52] <Kris_home>
and not the textnode within the anchor
- [18:07:23] <hober>
Kris_home: that's how rel-tag is defined
- [18:07:38] <hober>
<a rel="tag" href="http://foo.com/bar/baz">quux</a> is the tag 'baz'
- [18:07:57] <hober>
<a rel="tag" href="http://foo.com/bar?baz=quux">quuux</a> is the tag 'bar'
- [18:08:11] <Kris_home>
hmmm...
- [18:08:24] <Kris_home>
that forces one to use a particular URL structure
- [18:08:42] <Kris_home>
because the latter structure is what I am aiming at
- [18:08:55] <hober>
rel-tag requires a tag-space, yes
- [18:08:57] <Kris_home>
../search/?tags=foobar
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- [18:09:34] <hober>
http://microformats.org/wiki/rel-tag#Tag_Spaces
- [18:09:48] <Kris_home>
thanks
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- [18:10:54] <Kris_home>
i don't think that makes any sense, though
- [18:11:19] <hober>
what doesn't make sense about it?
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- [18:11:40] <Kris_home>
why would one limit himself to this particular URI structure
- [18:12:32] <Kris_home>
it's almost like somebody thought that he likes this type of descriptive URI's a lot and made it into a requirement to start using rel-tags
- [18:14:22] <hober>
Perhaps you should add your voice to this issue on http://microformats.org/wiki/rel-tag-issues
- [18:14:41] <Kris_home>
why weren't they implemented the same way a lot of other microformats were? like <a rel="tag" ...>tagname</a> or <a rel="tag" ... title="tagname">arbitrary text</a>
- [18:15:58] <Kris_home>
somebody already does
- [18:16:02] <Kris_home>
"006-02-09 raised by JonathanFeinberg
- [18:16:08] <Kris_home>
1. Issue 1: It's bizarre to have the tag be denoted by the URL. The content of the a tag is a perfectly suitable place to contain the tag."
- [18:16:26] <hober>
right, that's why I said "add your voice" :)
- [18:16:35] <Kris_home>
however...
- [18:16:37] <Kris_home>
"REJECTED, IGNORES ESTABLISHED PRACTICE"
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- [18:16:42] <Kris_home>
so there we go
- [18:16:48] <hober>
e.g., flickr, delicious, eventful
- [18:16:59] <Kris_home>
i am right when i said "somebody like certain URI's..."
- [18:17:08] <KevinMarks>
the established practice is one reason
- [18:17:46] <hober>
Kris: I think stating it like that implies that the reason is entirely subjective/arbitrary, which isn't accurate
- [18:18:27] <Kris_home>
i don't think that "a lot of sites/bloggers do it this way" warrants a decision like this
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[[podcasts-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=podcasts-fr&diff=0&oldid=12527 * ChristopheDucamp * (+210) sync'd
- [18:20:01] <hober>
It might be helpful to think of rel-tag as analagous to atom:category. <a rel="tag" href="X/Y">Z</a> is analagous to <atom:category atom:scheme="X" atom:term="Y" atom:label="Z" />
- [18:21:41] <Kris_home>
you're telling me that a tag's term and a tag's label are two different things? that reminds me of Alice in Wonderland where one's name if different from what one's called (and what one's name is called)
- [18:23:07] <Kris_home>
"It's not reasonable to restrict the host's REST implementation according to this spec's rather limited idea of a "good" tag URL. The idea of tags as query parameters is rejected without justification, for example. Query parameters are a perfectly legitimate means of denoting state.
- [18:23:59] <KevinMarks>
the goal was to make sure it is pointing at a legitimate tagspaces
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[[robots-exclusion-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=robots-exclusion-fr&diff=0&oldid=12528 * ChristopheDucamp * (+868) sync'd
- [18:24:26] <Kris_home>
i understand, a place where that particular tag is the main matter
- [18:24:36] <KevinMarks>
which was a social engineering matter
- [18:24:51] <Kris_home>
why would a URI like foobar.com/search?tag=foo not suffice?
- [18:24:52] <KevinMarks>
it's too easy to game otherwise;
- [18:25:17] <KevinMarks>
goatse.cx?tag=shiny
- [18:25:38] <Kris_home>
it doesn't suffice because Flickr and del.icio.us did it differently and they are cool
- [18:25:58] <Kris_home>
i see, abuse sensitivity
- [18:26:36] <Kris_home>
but that is 'easily' overcome with goatse.cx/shiny, isn't it?
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[[advocacy-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=advocacy-fr&diff=0&oldid=12529 * ChristopheDucamp * (+249) Programmes Télévision -
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[[advocacy-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=advocacy-fr&diff=0&oldid=12530 * ChristopheDucamp * (+98) Listing Concerts/ Théâtre -
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[[advocacy-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=advocacy-fr&diff=0&oldid=12531 * ChristopheDucamp * (+664) Autres hAtom -
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[[advocacy-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=advocacy-fr&diff=0&oldid=12532 * ChristopheDucamp * (+425) ClearForest -
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[[User talk:ChristopheDucamp]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User_talk:ChristopheDucamp&diff=0&oldid=12534 * AndyMabbett * (+318) advocacy-fr
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- [19:23:31] * bewest pokes kingryan and KevinMarks
- [19:23:47] <bewest>
are there any graphs or stats of what pingerati pings look like over course of a typical day?
- [19:24:06] <bewest>
some people here are interested in peaks and load and whatnot
- [19:24:15] <KevinMarks>
not at the moment
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[[hreview-profile]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/hreview-profile * RogerCostello * (+840)
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[[hreview-profile]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hreview-profile&diff=0&oldid=12535 * RogerCostello * (+1090)
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[[hreview-profile]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hreview-profile&diff=0&oldid=12536 * RogerCostello * (-9)
- [19:42:05] <kingryan>
bewest: I could probably get something for you.
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- [19:42:20] <kingryan>
bewest: btw, I'm working with pallas on getting pings going to you guys, should be up today
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[[hreview-profile]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hreview-profile&diff=0&oldid=12537 * RogerCostello * (+84)
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[[hresume]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hresume&diff=0&oldid=12538 * ClintAndrewHall * (+123) Examples in the wild -
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[[User:ClintAndrewHall]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/User:ClintAndrewHall * ClintAndrewHall * (+98)
- [19:44:55] <bewest>
kingryan: yes, that is why I'm asking
- [19:44:57] <bewest>
:-)
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- [19:57:10] <kingryan>
bewest: it's pretty low traffic
- [19:57:27] <kingryan>
and by "low" I mean low for the companies we work at :D
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- [20:14:53] <bewest>
:-)
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[[hreview-profile]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hreview-profile&diff=0&oldid=12539 * AndyMabbett * (-13) fmt
- [22:22:53] <tantek>
greetings - wondering if sf bay area microformatters are available the evening of 1/18 for a semi-last minute microformats dinner
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- [22:40:13] <kingryan>
don't forget to mention the special guest
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a certain CSS expert with the initials EAM
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[[hcalendar-examples-in-wild]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=12540 * Webf * (+287) Examples with some problems -
- [23:20:22] <bewest>
that's a thursday?
- [23:25:37] <kingryan>
this thursday
- [23:33:21] <KevinMarks>
thuesdy clashes with Niall's techsession, which sounded interesting and vaguely microformatty
- [23:33:58] <KevinMarks>
http://sftechsessions.com/2007/01/mobile-connected-gadgets/
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[[hcalendar-examples-in-wild]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=12541 * AndyMabbett * (+159) Examples with some problems - Webfeet malformed
- [23:45:47] <bewest>
where/when?
- [23:54:54] <kingryan>
working on that, judging interest first
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