IRC Log for #microformats on 2007-01-16

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  5. [00:42:54] <bewest> hmmm I'll rattle a stick around the office
  6. [00:48:05] <bewest> ok, Pallas is interested
  7. [00:48:10] <bewest> I am
  8. [00:48:19] <bewest> maybe one or two otheres
  9. [00:51:01] <bewest> ok, I've got a head count of at least four interested, including myself
  10. [00:51:30] * bewest pings kingryan and tantek
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  12. [00:52:08] <kingryan> pong
  13. [00:52:22] <bewest> any idea how many people?
  14. [00:52:28] <bewest> 10 - 15?
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  16. [00:53:41] <KevinMarks> I'm interested, though niall's thing looks interesting too
  17. [00:54:58] <tantek> we're thinking about 6pm start time (Eric's sessions finish up at 5:30pm)
  18. [00:55:26] <tantek> SOMA area if possible, but preference is cafe style food (non-spicy, veggie, meat options) + wifi
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  32. [02:05:25] <mfbot> [[events]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events&diff=0&oldid=12542 * Tantek * (+162) added SF microformats dinner 1/18
  33. [02:06:56] <mfbot> [[events/2007-01-18-sf-microformats-dinner]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/events/2007-01-18-sf-microformats-dinner * Tantek * (+154) drafted
  34. [02:07:07] <mfbot> [[events/2007-01-18-sf-microformats-dinner]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2007-01-18-sf-microformats-dinner&diff=0&oldid=12543 * Tantek * (+41)
  35. [02:08:13] <mfbot> [[events/2007-01-18-sf-microformats-dinner]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2007-01-18-sf-microformats-dinner&diff=0&oldid=12544 * Tantek * (+133)
  36. [02:08:32] <tantek> ok folks, if you can come to the San Francisco microformats dinner this thursday, please add yourself to: http://microformats.org/wiki/events/2007-01-18-sf-microformats-dinner and indicate your food preferences
  37. [02:08:35] <tantek> and we'll figure out a suitable venue
  38. [02:09:39] <mfbot> [[events/2007-01-18-sf-microformats-dinner]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2007-01-18-sf-microformats-dinner&diff=0&oldid=12545 * Tantek * (+157) please make venue suggestions
  39. [02:09:55] <mfbot> [[events/2007-01-18-sf-microformats-dinner]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2007-01-18-sf-microformats-dinner&diff=0&oldid=12546 * Tantek * (+23)
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  48. [03:00:28] <mfbot> [[events/2006-03-12-sxsw-growth-evolution-of]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2006-03-12-sxsw-growth-evolution-of&diff=0&oldid=12547 * Veeliam * (+35) Attending -
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  55. [06:05:05] <mfbot> [[User talk:ChristopheDucamp]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User_talk:ChristopheDucamp&diff=0&oldid=12548 * ChristopheDucamp * (+1708) @Andy : completely agree that advocacy-fr should be localized + added a non obvious question asked by Colin about uf in bank. How about a phone call ?
  56. [06:06:41] <mfbot> [[User talk:ChristopheDucamp]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User_talk:ChristopheDucamp&diff=0&oldid=12549 * ChristopheDucamp * (+30)
  57. [06:09:42] <mfbot> [[User talk:ChristopheDucamp]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User_talk:ChristopheDucamp&diff=0&oldid=12550 * ChristopheDucamp * (+189)
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  60. [06:16:11] <Matt1> is hCard applicatable to form where user is inputting their information, like adding registration information ?
  61. [06:25:19] <mfbot> [[hcalendar-examples-in-wild]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=12551 * Webf * (+124) Examples with some problems -
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  88. [09:03:53] <DirtyF> hi
  89. [09:04:10] <mfbot> [[hreview-profile]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hreview-profile&diff=0&oldid=12552 * Brian * (+168) Added note that this profile is not an XMDP profile
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  92. [09:14:11] <mfbot> [[hcalendar-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar-issues&diff=0&oldid=12553 * AndyMabbett * (+88) Issues -
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  125. [12:10:11] <mfbot> [[hcalendar-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar-issues&diff=0&oldid=12554 * AndyMabbett * (+1008) Issues - sample code - please check!
  126. [12:13:02] <mfbot> [[hcalendar-issues]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar-issues&diff=0&oldid=12555 * AndyMabbett * (-4) Issues - fmt
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  192. [18:04:39] <monkinetic> bergie: try class=note
  193. [18:04:42] <monkinetic> perhaps
  194. [18:05:18] <monkinetic> though I'm not sure of the utility of adding dynamic content to a static (think business card) form of content
  195. [18:05:49] <monkinetic> though a random quote gernrator would be another kind of dynamic content that I could see being useful
  196. [18:05:53] <monkinetic> so, un, huh.
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  198. [18:07:15] <bergie> monkinetic: at least Midgard polls hCards it is subscribed to periodically
  199. [18:07:31] <monkinetic> bergie: hey that's cool.
  200. [18:07:51] <monkinetic> is that docmented on the hcard implementations page?
  201. [18:08:42] <bergie> not sure :-)
  202. [18:08:59] <monkinetic> sounds like an interesting application of hcard+openid
  203. [18:09:00] <monkinetic> as well
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  205. [18:09:27] <monkinetic> mkaply!
  206. [18:09:39] <monkinetic> loving the addition of ma.gnolia to operator
  207. [18:09:39] <mkaply> monkinetic: what's up
  208. [18:10:08] <monkinetic> just wanted to give you props
  209. [18:10:57] <mkaply> monkinetic: If people send me handlers, I'll do them. Some cool new features in the pipe this week - you can turn on highlighting of mfs when you mouse over them as well as when you select them from the menu
  210. [18:11:01] <mkaply> plus right click actions on microformats
  211. [18:11:08] <monkinetic> nice
  212. [18:11:18] <mkaply> and I finally honor all the browser mouse stuff, so middle click opens things in a new tab
  213. [18:11:25] <monkinetic> sweet
  214. [18:12:05] <mkaply> The highlighting looks a little clunky, but it works
  215. [18:12:23] <monkinetic> cool
  216. [18:12:59] <monkinetic> is the highlighting done via css?
  217. [18:13:32] <mkaply> yep. css border. since it doesn't affect size of the content at all.
  218. [18:13:39] <monkinetic> could we use a user css to midify them?
  219. [18:15:04] <mkaply> not at this point. i'd have to think about how to enable that.
  220. [18:15:17] <mkaply> some things highlight by putting divs on all four sides
  221. [18:15:35] <mkaply> It's hard to come up with something that is visually appealing
  222. [18:17:19] * mkaply goes to put another beta up just for monkinetic
  223. [18:17:46] * monkinetic chuckles
  224. [18:18:37] <mkaply> http://www.kaply.com/operator/operator.xpi
  225. [18:18:46] <mkaply> highlighting is off by default - turn it on in options
  226. [18:19:00] <mkaply> I added way too many features after releasing the previous beta. I probably should have another
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  262. [20:14:57] <DanC_lap> I see Brian Suda replying to Mike Samuel <msamuel@google.com> about hcalendar tests... is Mike Samuel a google engineer?
  263. [20:16:10] * DanC_lap loves it when people report detailed issues, making it clear that they're poring over the tests with a fine-toothed comb
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  281. [21:48:49] <monkinetic> KevinMarks: where did you get that MW2007 podcast?
  282. [21:50:40] <bear> macworld has it's podcasts listed here: http://www.macworld.com/weblogs/mwpodcast/
  283. [21:53:35] <KevinMarks> It was on the iTunes store
  284. [21:53:57] <KevinMarks> I found out 'cos someone at Apple mailed me after I complained about the stream
  285. [21:54:35] <KevinMarks> course, now I could do edited highlights...
  286. [21:54:42] <KevinMarks> or a chapter list
  287. [21:55:32] <monkinetic> man, 1,21 GB
  288. [21:55:34] <monkinetic> ow
  289. [21:55:41] * monkinetic starts the download anyway
  290. [21:56:33] <KevinMarks> it's 640x352
  291. [21:56:53] <KevinMarks> you can actually see the demos clearly
  292. [21:58:56] <monkinetic> i bet
  293. [21:59:02] <monkinetic> mine was bigger than that
  294. [21:59:28] <monkinetic> or looked biger
  295. [22:00:22] * monkinetic checks a screenshot
  296. [22:01:00] <KevinMarks> if I post it as a torrent, will apple hate me?
  297. [22:02:53] <mkaply> In this syntax,
  298. [22:02:53] <mkaply> <A title="visit the website of the British Ornithologists' Union" href="http://www.bou.org.uk/" class="url fn org">British Ornithologists' Union</A>
  299. [22:02:56] <mkaply> What should the fn be?
  300. [22:03:10] <kingryan_> text()
  301. [22:03:16] <monkinetic> mkaply: textcontent
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  304. [22:03:25] <mkaply> so how do I know whether title= is supposed to be used for content or not?
  305. [22:03:33] <kingryan> abbr only
  306. [22:03:35] <KevinMarks> if it's an abbr
  307. [22:03:44] <DanC_lap> title is only used on abbr, yes?
  308. [22:04:00] * mkaply thought he found a case where title was used for non abbr.
  309. [22:04:02] <kingryan> mkaply: have you tried testing against our test suite?
  310. [22:04:09] <mkaply> kingryan: nope
  311. [22:04:20] <mkaply> I'll turn back on title for abbr onlt
  312. [22:04:29] <kingryan> the test suite would help you answer such questions :D
  313. [22:04:31] <DanC_lap> meanwhile, mkaply did make a test list of his own, which I found pretty nifty
  314. [22:04:49] <kingryan> DanC_lap: yeah, is that available somewhere?
  315. [22:05:06] <mkaply> http://www.kaply.com/weblog/operator-testing
  316. [22:05:09] <DanC_lap> I think I bookmarked it...
  317. [22:05:26] <DanC_lap> yeah... http://www.kaply.com/weblog/operator-testing
  318. [22:05:34] <monkinetic> KevinMarks: this is 1027x590
  319. [22:05:45] <KevinMarks> which is?
  320. [22:05:58] <monkinetic> the keynote podcast
  321. [22:06:04] <monkinetic> on itunes
  322. [22:06:32] <KevinMarks> hm
  323. [22:06:52] <KevinMarks> they put an even bigger one up?
  324. [22:07:13] <mkaply> kingryan: where is the test?
  325. [22:07:28] * mkaply did search first
  326. [22:07:38] <kingryan> the stable ones are published at http://microformats.org/tests/
  327. [22:07:46] <kingryan> the repository is at http://hg.microformats.org/tests
  328. [22:07:54] * kingryan needs to spend some time working on tests
  329. [22:07:54] <monkinetic> KevinMarks: apparently - how large was yours? (file size)
  330. [22:08:03] <KevinMarks> 1.2G
  331. [22:08:06] <monkinetic> hm.
  332. [22:08:09] <monkinetic> same here
  333. [22:08:10] <monkinetic> weird
  334. [22:08:18] <KevinMarks> sure it's nto just scaled up?
  335. [22:08:25] <monkinetic> no :-)
  336. [22:08:45] <monkinetic> that was the stream, playing straight from itunes
  337. [22:08:48] <monkinetic> i'm downloading it now
  338. [22:08:59] <monkinetic> after it finishes i'll check it out
  339. [22:09:47] * mkaply didn't realize microformat folk were already thinking about JSON
  340. [22:10:07] <kingryan> mkaply: yeah, we haven't talked about it very publicly though
  341. [22:10:10] <mkaply> I wonder if I should use this syntax for my internal structures
  342. [22:10:16] <kingryan> I've spent a lot of time talking with individuals about it
  343. [22:10:23] <kingryan> json?
  344. [22:10:36] <mkaply> kingryan: that javascript array layout
  345. [22:10:55] <kingryan> which is essentially json, no?
  346. [22:11:02] <mkaply> kingryan: yeah
  347. [22:11:02] <kingryan> just lists and objects
  348. [22:11:11] <mkaply> yeah.
  349. [22:12:07] * mkaply doesn't handle this correctly
  350. [22:12:08] <mkaply> <IMG class="fn" alt="Ryan King" title="Brian Suda" src="/me.jpg"/>
  351. [22:12:19] <kingryan> fn = Ryan King
  352. [22:12:30] <KevinMarks> well, lists and dictionaries
  353. [22:12:32] <mkaply> that will be a fun little extra check :)
  354. [22:12:55] <kingryan> KevinMarks: in javascript, 'dictionaries' are called 'objects'
  355. [22:15:18] <KevinMarks> ah, OK
  356. [22:15:48] <KevinMarks> objects implies they have code in to me
  357. [22:18:52] <mkaply> kingryan: It would help if the testcases said what the correct results should be :)
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  359. [22:18:59] <kingryan> they do
  360. [22:19:08] <bewest> KevinMarks: yes, they do. in javascript, dictionary keys can have function objects
  361. [22:19:18] <kingryan> hcards have vcards, which are the correct results
  362. [22:19:31] <KevinMarks> but not in JSON
  363. [22:19:47] <KevinMarks> which was the distinction I was making
  364. [22:19:49] <bewest> oh, dunno about JSON (TM)
  365. [22:19:52] <mkaply> kingryan: got it - in source. so <img class="url" src="http://example.org/picture.png" type="image/png" /> is supposed to take that url?
  366. [22:19:52] <bewest> sorry
  367. [22:20:01] <kingryan> yes
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  376. [23:03:21] <sportcrazy> hi y'all
  377. [23:03:38] <sportcrazy> I am looking for a MF for describing sports results
  378. [23:03:50] <sportcrazy> do you have such a thing?
  379. [23:03:52] <bewest> like a news update?
  380. [23:04:04] <bewest> or is that like an event?
  381. [23:04:13] <sportcrazy> it's an event I guess
  382. [23:04:14] <bewest> that's kind of like the results of an event
  383. [23:04:16] <sportcrazy> an event result
  384. [23:04:18] <kingryan> box scores?
  385. [23:04:51] <sportcrazy> e.g. sport=rugby homeTeam=x awayTeam=Y homeScore=45 awayScore=22 etc
  386. [23:05:25] <kingryan> well, you could start by making them hCalendar events
  387. [23:05:29] <bewest> yeah, but that's only the last bit of it, right?
  388. [23:05:33] <ntoll> hmmm.... what about ordered results (e.g. sprinting)? Use event mf within a result mf?
  389. [23:05:39] <bewest> the most important thing is where and when it took place, correct?
  390. [23:05:44] <sportcrazy> I was thinking about that
  391. [23:05:48] <sportcrazy> and diving etc
  392. [23:06:00] <bewest> that part is easy
  393. [23:06:07] <bewest> ordered list
  394. [23:06:11] <sportcrazy> the most important thing... that's debatable
  395. [23:06:26] <ntoll> sportcrazy, the important thing is to re-use what is already there and only extend when needed after looking at how other ppl have marked this sort of thing up
  396. [23:07:02] <bewest> I suggest you start experimenting with the who what when where of a sporting event
  397. [23:07:03] <sportcrazy> sure
  398. [23:07:13] <bewest> and then try adding on top of that with scores and stuff
  399. [23:07:24] <bewest> perhaps with XOXO
  400. [23:07:44] <bewest> with some small pieces to describe the game, resulting scores and other information
  401. [23:07:46] <sportcrazy> XOXO?
  402. [23:07:47] <ntoll> so so... my first thought was to use hCalander for when, hCard for where
  403. [23:07:55] <ntoll> sportcrazy, marking up lists
  404. [23:08:35] <mkaply> can class="include" be applied to anything or just <object>?
  405. [23:09:39] <sportcrazy> k, thanks for your help guys, I'll go explore what's available
  406. [23:10:37] <tantek> hCard is good for marking up hCalendar locations: http://microformats.org/wiki/hcalendar-brainstorming#hCard_locations
  407. [23:10:56] <ntoll> http://microformats.org/wiki/include-pattern
  408. [23:10:57] <tantek> mkaply - only <object data> and <a href>
  409. [23:11:17] * mkaply didn't know about the a thing
  410. [23:11:33] <mkaply> and where is this headers= thing documented?
  411. [23:16:03] <kingryan> mkaply: good question
  412. [23:16:17] <ntoll> the O'Reilly shortcut on uFormats has a good summary
  413. [23:16:50] <mkaply> looking at some of this stuff, I think there should have been more implementor input :)
  414. [23:17:05] <ntoll> http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/microformats/
  415. [23:17:30] <kingryan> mkaply: we optimize for publishers, not parser implementers
  416. [23:17:39] <kingryan> and many of us are implementers already
  417. [23:17:40] <mkaply> some of these things require knowledge like "if you are a descendent of tag foo" which is not exactly easy to find out
  418. [23:18:00] <kingryan> mkaply: we certainly have gaps in our documentation
  419. [23:20:06] <mkaply> so <a href="#j" class="include"> is just another way to write <object data="#j" class="include">?
  420. [23:20:36] <kingryan> mkaply: yes
  421. [23:22:10] <mkaply> I hope noone think I'm being a pain about this stuff. I really am reading and trying to learn as much as I can without asking question.
  422. [23:27:58] <bewest> questions are ok
  423. [23:28:04] <bewest> part of the problem is the presentation available in the wiki
  424. [23:28:15] <bewest> and there is an active effort to improve the presentation of what we do have available
  425. [23:28:26] <bewest> so go ahead and ask questions
  426. [23:28:53] <bewest> even in the case where it's answered, showing us where the pain points are helps us improve presentation of that information
  427. [23:30:04] <mkaply> in the http://microformats.org/tests/hcard/37-singleton.html testcase - what is supposed to be the behavior if multiple items exist for a class that is supposed to have one instance - do I take the first or the last or is it undefined?
  428. [23:30:46] <tantek> mkaply - first. this is defined in hcard-parsing
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  431. [23:37:54] <mkaply> tantek: That's quite a plain text formatter spec you have there :)
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  433. [23:38:34] <tantek> heh, thanks mkaply :)
  434. [23:39:01] <mkaply> tantek: Firefox 2 actually has has a plain text formatter accessible from Javasript - I'm not using it yet
  435. [23:39:36] <mkaply> tantek: question about white-space handling section in http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-parsing - Are those statements mainly relatiing to description?
  436. [23:39:44] <tantek> interesting. btw - any suggested improvements to the plain text formatting brainstorms are welcome - especially from folks who have worked on this problem themselves.
  437. [23:39:54] <mkaply> Would you really have a <br/> say in name?
  438. [23:39:56] <tantek> you mean "note" ?
  439. [23:40:02] <tantek> yes
  440. [23:40:02] <mkaply> tantek: and note
  441. [23:40:14] <tantek> right, "description" for hCalendar and hReview
  442. [23:40:47] <mkaply> I don't handle note yet and the only thing I really parse the HTML for is description - everything else I just do .textContent
  443. [23:40:55] <mkaply> If I need the innards
  444. [23:41:52] <tantek> i think that works fine. the note parsing stuff has been all by experience with real world examples of marking up bios etc. with the "note" property.
  445. [23:42:09] <tantek> on actual websites, and then looking at the vCard imported results in address book applications
  446. [23:42:29] <mkaply> trying to parse descriptions is painful. Sites like upcoming.org and eventful.com let users do anything they want for descriptions for hcals which is fun,
  447. [23:42:35] <tantek> and it became clear that a few simple things (line breaks for blocks, bullets for lists etc.) made a big improvement
  448. [23:42:43] <mkaply> Considering google calendar especially can't take any special formatting in their calendar...
  449. [23:42:51] <mkaply> and yahoo doesn't accept HTML
  450. [23:43:02] <tantek> sure
  451. [23:43:19] <tantek> but they often turn plain text "formatting" entered by the user into HTML automatically
  452. [23:43:25] <tantek> e.g. line breaks into BRs or Ps
  453. [23:44:04] <tantek> so it makes some sense to attempt an inversion of those transforms to maintain something close to what the user typed in. obviously a round-trip is ideal.
  454. [23:44:25] <mkaply> yeah. It's been kind of fun though. I'm to the point where my adding to yahoo and google looks better than upcoming and eventful. Which makes me think that using the microformat is better than what they are attempting with their internal data :)
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  459. [23:55:31] <tantek> mkaply - bingo.
  460. [23:56:07] <tantek> content publishers are not experts at lots of *other* random formats (vCard, iCalendar), nor are they experts necessarily of every-possible-consuming-website-or-application
  461. [23:56:42] <tantek> nor should they really waste their time developing that expertise - it doesn't make sense for thousands or millions of website publishers to have to do all that research etc.
  462. [23:57:35] <tantek> by simply publishing their pages with nice semantically rich microformats, all of a sudden the "need for expertise" can be bottlenecked into a per tool or per application basis
  463. [23:57:44] <tantek> rather than for *every single website out there*

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