IRC Log for #microformats on 2007-01-26

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  3. [00:13:03] <OpenStandards> god reading the w3c specs is boring
  4. [00:13:31] <danbri> maybe they should play music in the background?
  5. [00:13:44] <TylerR> Elevator music? :)
  6. [00:14:18] <OpenStandards> o yeah new xml specs are out
  7. [00:14:42] <TylerR> I'm ready for XHTML 2 and/or HTML 5.
  8. [00:14:51] <OpenStandards> http://www.w3.org/2007/01/qt-pressrelease.html.en :)
  9. [00:15:14] <OpenStandards> xpath 2.0...etc
  10. [00:15:53] <TylerR> Ah nice.
  11. [00:15:57] <TylerR> I'll have to take a peek.
  12. [00:23:08] <OpenStandards> god i can´t wait til we have xforms support
  13. [00:23:19] <TylerR> Hmm... listing XHTML and CSS next to "Semantic web development" would be a bit repetitive would it not?
  14. [00:23:34] <TylerR> (updating my LinkedIn profile).
  15. [00:24:50] <OpenStandards> not really
  16. [00:25:36] <OpenStandards> you could design a site using css and xhtml but i´m sure it could not be semantic correct
  17. [00:25:43] * TylerR nods.
  18. [00:25:45] <TylerR> A good point.
  19. [00:27:35] <OpenStandards> http://richardathome.wordpress.com/2006/04/24/semantic-column-markup-redux/ TylerR check out that article i found earlier today
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  21. [00:27:52] * TylerR takes a gander.
  22. [00:28:10] <OpenStandards> its quite good but he doesn´t mention how to style the divs
  23. [00:28:58] <TylerR> I suppose styling is left in the hands of the designer, since all the semantic work has been done. Let us hope that they are a "semantic" designer as well. ;)
  24. [00:29:55] <OpenStandards> i tried working it out myself
  25. [00:30:03] <TylerR> How did it go?
  26. [00:30:38] <OpenStandards> haha still thinking about it and i saw that article hours ago
  27. [00:31:01] <OpenStandards> i´ve put it a side i needed to get on with other matters
  28. [00:33:54] <TylerR> :)
  29. [00:37:44] <OpenStandards> adding another selector would work i think
  30. [00:37:55] <bewest> interesting: http://wikia.com/wiki/Collaboration_of_the_month/Genealogy/Blurb
  31. [00:38:10] <TylerR> Woah
  32. [00:38:13] <TylerR> Now that's interesting.
  33. [00:38:42] <OpenStandards> what is?
  34. [00:39:10] <TylerR> The wiki-genealogy.
  35. [00:39:13] <bewest> they need a model for manipulating people data
  36. [00:39:23] <bewest> if only we had something that described people...
  37. [00:39:36] <bewest> and some interface with which to do it...
  38. [00:39:45] <OpenStandards> haha i did suggest something like that a while ago
  39. [00:40:36] <TylerR> That's what I was just thinking bewest. Like an avaCard or something, hehe.
  40. [00:41:12] <bewest> or like hcard
  41. [00:41:19] <bewest> and the hcard creators
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  43. [00:42:06] <TylerR> </sarcasm> ;)
  44. [00:45:58] <TylerR> I'd be interested in contributing to a mf spec if something caught my interest. :)
  45. [00:48:01] <jcw9> god my boss is talking about weed
  46. [00:48:08] <bewest> how about subject areas like citations, requirements, ecommerce...?
  47. [00:48:14] * redmonk adds a do_html_mf method to his lifestream app
  48. [00:48:30] <jcw9> http://www.geni.com/ anyone do this ever?
  49. [00:52:18] <TylerR> bewest: Are all those currently being explored?
  50. [00:53:04] <bewest> citations is coming along nicely
  51. [00:53:08] <bewest> and is an active area
  52. [00:53:31] <bewest> requirements, regimens, and ecommerce are completely unexplored areas, but things that people have mentioned from time to time
  53. [00:53:36] <bewest> directions, as well
  54. [00:53:47] <jcw9> Has anyone made a search engine that can understand <cite>
  55. [00:54:02] <jcw9> Or done anything interesting with it/
  56. [00:54:23] <bewest> not that I know of
  57. [00:54:26] <bewest> well
  58. [00:54:30] <bewest> dunno about <cite> per se
  59. [00:54:40] <bewest> there are certainly search engines for academic papers
  60. [00:54:49] <bewest> and there are also sites for tracking down citations
  61. [00:55:14] <bewest> I don't know about their mark up techniques, but I bet the hcite guys could tell you a bit more
  62. [00:55:16] <TylerR> Huh, directions... so something akin to <p class="destination">?
  63. [00:55:31] <bewest> TylerR: dunno... it's hard to say without doing research :-)
  64. [00:55:38] <TylerR> Very true.
  65. [00:55:55] <TylerR> Perhaps I'll do that, because with my own site I'm developing here, directions would play a part.
  66. [00:56:28] <TylerR> Heck, even the domain name connotates direction/location.
  67. [00:57:27] <jcw9> google scholar is pretty neat
  68. [00:59:25] <TylerR> I haven't utilized it much myself.
  69. [00:59:28] <TylerR> Perhaps I should investigate.
  70. [01:02:27] <jcw9> Hm, I think we may try linking to it for people who don't include urls or attachments for publications
  71. [01:02:38] <jcw9> being able to get abstract is useful
  72. [01:03:17] <jcw9> argh
  73. [01:03:25] <jcw9> These people are uploading pdfs to their CVs
  74. [01:03:28] <jcw9> in comic sans ms
  75. [01:03:55] <jcw9> and expect people to refer to them to see what editorial boards they're on
  76. [01:04:35] <jcw9> "See c.v. for presentations"
  77. [01:04:41] <jcw9> in presentations field
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  79. [01:09:56] <OpenStandards> TylerR, so you know i just a, b and c i think thats good enough
  80. [01:11:58] <TylerR> What's that? haha Sorry I'm a bit out of the loop, been dealing with some issues all day and my head is swimming.
  81. [01:14:12] <OpenStandards> how to style different columns
  82. [01:14:24] <OpenStandards> http://pastebin.archlinux.org/1031 that to me looks good
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  84. [01:15:59] <TylerR> Ah okay, sorry, didn't quite understand the "a, b, c" context for a minute. :)
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  88. [01:30:19] <jibot> ryanlowe is Ryan Lowe, http://www.fanconcert.com
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  94. [02:37:22] <redmonk> anyone used the microformat parser built on ruby's scrai?
  95. [02:39:04] <defunkt> yeah
  96. [02:39:27] <defunkt> have you tried the hpricot one, mofo?
  97. [02:40:17] <redmonk> no, i'll check it out.
  98. [02:41:18] <redmonk> any good?
  99. [02:41:27] <defunkt> it's pretty simple
  100. [02:41:37] <defunkt> *cought* i wrote it *cough*
  101. [02:49:03] <redmonk> heh
  102. [02:49:09] <redmonk> what exactly is hpricot?
  103. [02:56:26] <defunkt> it's a fast html parser written in c
  104. [02:56:32] <defunkt> from why the lucky stiff
  105. [02:56:34] <redmonk> cool
  106. [02:56:39] <redmonk> yeah, installing now
  107. [02:56:46] <redmonk> pm?
  108. [02:56:49] <defunkt> sure
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  111. [03:10:57] <jibot> whafro is M. Jackson Wilkinson, a designer/developer for Grassroots Enterprise in Washington, DC
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  113. [03:13:15] <jibot> TylerR is Tyler Roehmholdt and is brewing something up at http://mappuccino.com
  114. [03:13:58] <TylerR> Hey all, back from work and a tasty Thai dinner.
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  116. [03:35:55] <jibot> julianstahnke is Julian Stahnke and works for last.fm and implements microformats wherever he can
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  120. [03:51:34] <mfbot> [[events/2007-01-la-get-together]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2007-01-la-get-together&diff=0&oldid=12884 * Tantek * (+282) added uWink proposal for Saturday night.
  121. [03:57:35] <mfbot> [[events/2007-01-la-get-together]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2007-01-la-get-together&diff=0&oldid=12885 * Tantek * (-1)
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  123. [03:59:26] <mfbot> [[hcard-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=12886 * Viferpilot * (+112) Geospatial Metadata -
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  127. [04:42:01] <jibot> bear is located near Philadelphia, PA and the build/release grunt for OSAF and an apprentice python hacker
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  130. [06:14:56] <TylerR> Hey there KevinMarks.
  131. [06:16:38] <KevinMarks> hello there
  132. [06:16:55] <TylerR> How's your evening going?
  133. [06:16:57] <KevinMarks> I had an intersting day representing microformats att he VRM summary
  134. [06:17:04] <KevinMarks> *summit
  135. [06:17:18] <TylerR> Oh nice! How'd that go?
  136. [06:18:09] <KevinMarks> interesting - the basis principle is good
  137. [06:18:15] <TylerR> I'd really like to go to the conference next month up in Vancouver, but I don't think my company will front the bill because it's so soon.
  138. [06:18:37] <KevinMarks> and there was some good pickup on the mf principles
  139. [06:19:32] <TylerR> Cool! You know it goes well when people want to keep talking about it. :)
  140. [06:21:18] <TylerR> Anything interesting come out of the pickup?
  141. [06:26:16] * ChanServ sets mode +o KevinMarks
  142. [06:27:04] <KevinMarks> well, the hcard and hreview is a good fit for lots of it
  143. [06:27:10] <KevinMarks> but we need to hink about product id's
  144. [06:27:12] <KevinMarks> and pricing
  145. [06:27:35] * TylerR nods.
  146. [06:28:12] <TylerR> Those two things are kind of in limbo when it comes to where to put them.
  147. [06:28:13] <tantek> productids are simply URIs right?
  148. [06:28:22] <KevinMarks> OpenID + hCard + XFN rel="me" is good
  149. [06:28:31] <KevinMarks> well, mapping between URIs for alternatives
  150. [06:28:48] <tantek> the market will sort out such mappings organically
  151. [06:28:59] <tantek> especially from a product perspective
  152. [06:29:12] <tantek> there is a spectrum of how close are "alternatives"
  153. [06:29:26] <KevinMarks> yes, we talked about that
  154. [06:29:30] <tantek> which is fuzzy and perhaps only determinable by the market in a distributed fashion
  155. [06:29:42] <KevinMarks> there is a direct equivalence mapping which is useful
  156. [06:29:49] <KevinMarks> and tagging for the fuzzy overlaps
  157. [06:29:53] <tantek> and thus attempting to solve it with some sort of definitive list of alternatives may be a futile effort
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  160. [06:30:12] <tantek> the very notion of "direct equivalence" may be a flawed notion, that's the point
  161. [06:30:22] <tantek> it may be too narrow a framing
  162. [06:30:53] <tantek> and especially in a products/market situation, equivalence on products means different things to different people
  163. [06:31:07] <tantek> it is not something that can be encoded as a universally true assertion for everyone
  164. [06:31:14] <KevinMarks> quite
  165. [06:31:27] <KevinMarks> Doc has some interestinfg stuff about the construction industry
  166. [06:31:36] <KevinMarks> and substitutibility
  167. [06:31:58] <tantek> example: toilet paper. for some people, it's all the same, regardless of brand - it's all equivalent. for others, they're quite picky about softness or quilting or ply etc.
  168. [06:32:22] <tantek> so both the "direct" aspect is a flawed assumption, as is the implied assumption that you could have any semblance of "global" "equivalence"
  169. [06:33:05] <KevinMarks> the IMDB movie url is equivalent to the amazon DVD ?
  170. [06:33:19] <KevinMarks> is equivalent to the iTunes store one?
  171. [06:33:19] <tantek> depends on the moviephile
  172. [06:33:45] <tantek> to some folks the 192kbps MP3 is equivalent to the CD, to others, very much not so
  173. [06:34:03] <KevinMarks> fair point
  174. [06:34:10] <tantek> when it comes to products, what people mean by "equivalence" is broadly varied
  175. [06:34:16] <KevinMarks> I think 'alternate' is a viable idea
  176. [06:34:19] <tantek> hence why you must use real world examples to reason about these things
  177. [06:34:26] <KevinMarks> as an expression fo acceptabel substitute
  178. [06:34:30] <tantek> i don't think alternate is a globally viable idea
  179. [06:34:32] <tantek> for products
  180. [06:34:52] <tantek> because different people have a different idea of what would be an alternative and what wouldn't
  181. [06:34:57] <tantek> for *nearly* every product
  182. [06:35:36] <KevinMarks> no, any more than tags are globally viable -it's an expression of individual opinion
  183. [06:36:10] <tantek> if it is recast as the expression of an individual opinion then yes - but the problem with existing "alternatives" formats is that they all assume globalness/universality
  184. [06:36:47] <KevinMarks> I was talking about the alternates stuff in mf draft
  185. [06:36:53] <KevinMarks> not the XRI lot
  186. [06:37:04] <tantek> that doesn't have the author as a key component does it?
  187. [06:37:23] <KevinMarks> who were there, but I'm not worried about them producing anything real anytime soon
  188. [06:37:46] <KevinMarks> it has an implicit author, just as tags do; you think it needs an explicit one like hreview?
  189. [06:37:48] <tantek> very few things that start with an X are real anytime soon
  190. [06:37:57] <KevinMarks> heh
  191. [06:38:15] <tantek> i'd say that statement is probably about 80/20 correct :)
  192. [06:38:15] <TylerR> :)
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  198. [07:11:58] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
  199. [07:14:44] <TylerR> Any interesting things going on for you guys tomorrow?
  200. [07:39:35] <KevinMarks> there's a mobile identity conference
  201. [07:39:46] <KevinMarks> I may go along and preach openid+hcard
  202. [07:45:58] <TylerR> Very nice. I seriously need to move to the Bay area one of these days. :)
  203. [07:46:07] <TylerR> Though Seattle is in its own right a great hotspot.
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  206. [08:06:29] <jibot> danbri is that foaf guy from http://danbri.org/
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  208. [08:20:24] <KevinMarks> hi danbri
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  210. [08:24:52] <jibot> davecardwell is Dave Cardwell of http://davecardwell.co.uk/. He designs webs and generally geeks about in York, England.
  211. [08:25:30] * TylerR yawns a bit.
  212. [08:25:48] <TylerR> Just finished watching a Ryan Davis interview. That man is the definition of gifted.
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  216. [08:49:53] <mfbot> [[events/2007-01-la-get-together]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2007-01-la-get-together&diff=0&oldid=12887 * Mike * (+16) add vote for uwink, even though it's far, far from san diego.
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  218. [08:54:36] <jibot> danja is Danny Ayers, http://dannyayers.com
  219. [08:55:51] <TylerR> Hi danja.
  220. [08:56:16] <danja> hiya
  221. [08:56:38] <TylerR> How's your day coming along?
  222. [08:56:41] * danja not yet woken up...
  223. [08:56:46] <danja> heh
  224. [08:57:07] <TylerR> Ah well then I should have said, "How was your sleep?"
  225. [08:57:10] <danja> and yours?
  226. [08:58:00] <TylerR> Great actually! Settled on a solid domain, acquired it and some hosting, and now setting up a landing page with newsletter signup.
  227. [08:58:08] <TylerR> So being rather productive today. :)
  228. [09:00:22] <TylerR> Say, you're not the Danny Ayers of XML books are you?
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  230. [09:05:25] <danbri> busted, danja. I always said you should travel under an assumed name....
  231. [09:06:04] <TylerR> Haha. :) Well I just found out via your site. I own your XML books and thoroughly enjoy them.
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  234. [09:13:12] <danja> thank-you!
  235. [09:13:56] <danja> reminds me, somewhere a bit went in on microformats, must add to the book page
  236. [09:14:15] <TylerR> :)
  237. [09:16:49] * TylerR is having fun creating site-themed e-mail aliases.
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  240. [09:23:12] <jibot> trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and helps with www.multipack.co.uk
  241. [09:23:20] <TylerR> Hi trovster.
  242. [09:23:29] <trovster> hi...
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  244. [09:37:05] <TylerR> How's it going trovster?
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  246. [09:38:45] <trovster> terrible, food poisoning on holiday....
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  248. [09:38:58] <jibot> iand is Ian Davis who blogs at http://iandavis.com/blog
  249. [09:38:58] <TylerR> Oh ouch! I'm sorry to hear that. :(
  250. [09:39:33] <TylerR> Hey there iand.
  251. [09:39:42] <TylerR> trovster, what did you eat that caused that?
  252. [09:40:04] <trovster> anyway... not really relevant to the channel
  253. [09:40:21] * TylerR nods.
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  256. [09:41:30] <TylerR> How's your morning going iand?
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  258. [09:45:32] <iand> doing ok so far - only just started though
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  267. [10:23:40] <jibot> briansuda is brian suda of http://suda.co.uk and is at (-0000 GMT) and is author of "Using Microformats" for O'Reilly [http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/microformats/]
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  270. [10:29:32] <TylerR> Night everyone!
  271. [10:29:38] <TylerR> Or morning, or good day. ;)
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  278. [10:46:31] <jibot> julianstahnke is Julian Stahnke and works for last.fm and implements microformats wherever he can
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  280. [10:53:37] <Kilianvalkhof> a little noob question...how do i reply to a specific message in the digest? do i just use the subject, add re: in front of it and send to microformats-discuss@mocroformats.org?
  281. [10:56:40] <Kilianvalkhof> *micro
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  285. [11:05:02] * Kilianvalkhof will try to find out later
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  334. [14:49:13] <jibot> sreynen is Scott Reynen, who makes things at makedatamakesense.com
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  353. [16:12:55] <jibot> davecardwell is Dave Cardwell of http://davecardwell.co.uk/. He designs webs and generally geeks about in York, England.
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  355. [16:16:26] <jibot> pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
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  359. [16:26:33] <jibot> mkaply is Michael Kaply <http://www.kaply.com/weblog/> and is the developer of Operator <https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/4106/>
  360. [16:27:58] <mfbot> [[events/2007-01-la-get-together]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2007-01-la-get-together&diff=0&oldid=12895 * Leikam * (+17)
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  372. [17:23:48] <jibot> TylerR is Tyler Roehmholdt and is brewing something up at http://mappuccino.com
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  375. [17:34:22] <monkinetic> hey cool: hCite support in a desktop app: http://michael-mccracken.net/wp/?p=84
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  379. [17:36:41] <TylerR> ?def TylerR is Tyler Roehmholdt and is brewing up something social at http://mappuccino.com
  380. [17:36:41] <jibot> TylerR is Tyler Roehmholdt and is brewing something up at http://mappuccino.com and Tyler Roehmholdt and is brewing up something social at http://mappuccino.com
  381. [17:36:51] <TylerR> Ack!
  382. [17:38:28] <ajturner> nice it's like bio >> bio
  383. [17:42:55] <KevinMarks> hm, i'm sure it used to be smarter than that
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  388. [17:46:29] <TylerR> Looks like its off to jibot help land.
  389. [17:46:36] <TylerR> ?jibot help
  390. [17:46:48] <TylerR> Hmm, I'll just go visit the site... :)
  391. [17:47:05] <monkinetic> TylerR: try ?forgetme
  392. [17:47:13] <TylerR> Ah great monkinetic!
  393. [17:47:16] <TylerR> ?forgetme
  394. [17:47:17] <jibot> I have expunged TylerR from my mind
  395. [17:47:21] <TylerR> Beautiful.
  396. [17:47:25] * monkinetic bows
  397. [17:49:42] <TylerR> ?def TylerR is Tyler Roehmholdt and is brewing up something social at http://mappuccino.com
  398. [17:49:42] <jibot> TylerR is Tyler Roehmholdt and is brewing up something social at http://mappuccino.com
  399. [17:49:51] <TylerR> Excellent!
  400. [17:52:43] <TylerR> Thanks much monkinetic. I really do need to become more well-versed in IRC.
  401. [17:52:54] <monkinetic> np
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  408. [18:13:23] <jibot> iand is Ian Davis who blogs at http://iandavis.com/blog
  409. [18:13:58] <mfbot> [[code-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=code-examples&diff=0&oldid=12896 * Aconbere * (+454) Real-World Examples -
  410. [18:14:14] <mfbot> [[code-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=code-examples&diff=0&oldid=12897 * Aconbere * (+1) Real-World Examples -
  411. [18:15:50] <mfbot> [[code-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=code-examples&diff=0&oldid=12898 * Aconbere * (+81) Common Patterns -
  412. [18:16:16] <aconbere|work> what does the +# mean in those?
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  415. [18:20:54] <jibot> pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
  416. [18:21:59] <TylerR> Hi there aconbere|work and pnhChris.
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  418. [18:27:13] <pnhChris> afternoon
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  421. [18:29:50] * aconbere|work stretches
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  424. [18:34:48] <tantek> aconbere the +# or -# is the number of characters added or removed as a result of the edit.
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  426. [18:36:18] <aconbere|work> ahh
  427. [18:36:21] <aconbere|work> thanks
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  429. [18:38:00] <jibot> danja is Danny Ayers, http://dannyayers.com
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  431. [18:38:34] <TylerR> Hey there danja.
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  435. [18:46:46] <aconbere|work> TylerR: I think he's just flapping
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  438. [18:50:31] <TylerR> Ahh. :)
  439. [18:50:57] <mfbot> [[hcard-examples-in-wild]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=12899 * AndyMabbett * (+0) move latest to top of relevant section (do we need both of these sections?)
  440. [18:53:03] <mfbot> [[mailing-lists-proposals]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=mailing-lists-proposals&diff=0&oldid=12900 * Tantek * (+1328) fixed comments, responded to general discussion
  441. [18:55:04] <mfbot> [[irc]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=irc&diff=0&oldid=12901 * AndyMabbett * (+197) People on irc - mfbot
  442. [18:55:40] <danbri> w.r.t. singularity, hmm "The vCard represents a single directory object. Legal precedents afford a person a single given-name and family-name, thus only a single "n" property is permitted." ---http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-singular-properties
  443. [18:55:50] <mfbot> [[irc]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=irc&diff=0&oldid=12902 * AndyMabbett * (-197) stet
  444. [18:55:51] <danbri> which country?
  445. [18:56:26] <mfbot> [[mfbot]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=mfbot&diff=0&oldid=12903 * AndyMabbett * (+166) character counts
  446. [18:56:42] <mfbot> [[mfbot]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=mfbot&diff=0&oldid=12904 * AndyMabbett * (-10)
  447. [18:56:48] <tantek> danbri - see your passport
  448. [18:56:55] <tantek> that's worldwide
  449. [18:57:18] <mfbot> [[irc]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=irc&diff=0&oldid=12905 * AndyMabbett * (+31) Bots - explain mfbot
  450. [18:57:20] <tantek> we are simply re-using assumptions from an existing well interoperably implemented world-wide protocol :D
  451. [18:58:13] <danbri> my passport says "given names / prenoms", fwiw
  452. [18:58:32] <danbri> but you shouldn't reason from what a document has slots for, to what the person described by that document has...
  453. [18:58:49] <mfbot> [[irc-people]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=irc-people&diff=0&oldid=12906 * AndyMabbett * (+178) mf bot (& sorting)
  454. [18:58:50] <danbri> even if its a very important doc
  455. [19:00:24] <danbri> my passport also says "Her Britannic Majesty's Secretary of State Requests and requires in the Name of Her Majesty all those whom it may concern to allow the bearer to pass freely without let or hindrance, and to afford the bearer such assistance and protection as may be necessary"....
  456. [19:00:34] <danbri> ...but I wouldn't shoehorn that into a tech spec
  457. [19:01:00] <danbri> but ... to go back to Q ... .the legal precedent is passports?
  458. [19:01:46] <mfbot> [[glossary]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=glossary&diff=0&oldid=12907 * AndyMabbett * (+68) mfbot
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  468. [19:12:11] <tantek> danbri - when i said see your passport, i meant see your passport as a real world example of a global legal precedent, go research passport treaties/formats on the web and you'll find the precedents there.
  469. [19:12:30] <mfbot> [[code-brainstorming]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/code-brainstorming * Aconbere * (+1577)
  470. [19:12:36] <mfbot> [[mailing-lists]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=mailing-lists&diff=0&oldid=12911 * Tantek * (+351) Use the wiki to capture/reference state
  471. [19:13:24] <tantek> and fwiw, "given names / prenoms" refers to given-name plus additional-names in the vCard/hCard vernacular
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  474. [19:13:57] <tantek> in otherwords, even on your passport, you put one of your given-names *first* and that is taken *as* your given-name in vCard/hCard - the rest are additional-name(s)
  475. [19:14:23] <mfbot> [[mailing-lists-proposals]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=mailing-lists-proposals&diff=0&oldid=12913 * DrErnie * (+298) Mailing Lists Proposals -
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  478. [19:16:15] <mfbot> [[mailing-lists-proposals]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=mailing-lists-proposals&diff=0&oldid=12915 * Tantek * (+89)
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  487. [19:19:38] <mfbot> [[hcard-singular-properties]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-singular-properties&diff=0&oldid=12918 * Tantek * (+42) prev revert was due to no evidence, added clarification of additional-name(s) absorbing what others may consider multiple given-name(s)
  488. [19:23:49] <mfbot> [[hcard-singular-properties]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-singular-properties&diff=0&oldid=12919 * AndyMabbett * (+326) multiple names legal in UK
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  492. [19:24:35] <mfbot> [[hcard-singular-properties]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-singular-properties&diff=0&oldid=12920 * AndyMabbett * (+4) n - fmt & grammar
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  494. [19:30:57] <mfbot> [[hcard-singular-properties]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-singular-properties&diff=0&oldid=12921 * Tantek * (+366) Moved inline UK notes to possible exceptions that may require further research, and yet, still seems to fit within the single given-name with possible multiple additional-name(s) categorization.
  495. [19:31:40] <tantek> or perhaps we just say that the UK is outside the 80/20 in this case ;)
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  500. [19:39:55] <mfbot> [[hcard-singular-properties]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-singular-properties&diff=0&oldid=12924 * AndyMabbett * (+127) n - another UK example
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  518. [21:09:52] <Prometheus^> should fn and org/organization-name be included inside the adr class or can they be outside of it as long as they are inside the vcard class?
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  523. [21:19:37] <mfbot> [[hcalendar-examples-in-wild]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=12927 * AndyMabbett * (+78) me last to problem (dtend not advanced)
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  528. [21:27:26] <mfbot> [[code-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=code-examples&diff=0&oldid=12931 * AndyMabbett * (-80) fmt headers
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  533. [21:38:32] <aconbere|work> AndyMabbett is a machine
  534. [21:38:50] <mfbot> [[Main Page]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=12935 * Aconbere * (+42)
  535. [21:40:39] <monkinetic> factoryjoe: ping
  536. [21:41:00] <factoryjoe> there you are
  537. [21:42:49] <monkinetic> therer i am?
  538. [21:43:11] <factoryjoe> you twittered?
  539. [21:43:14] <monkinetic> lol
  540. [21:43:15] <monkinetic> yeah
  541. [21:43:41] <monkinetic> i made some more prograss on the lifestream based on our conversation of the other day
  542. [21:43:55] <monkinetic> moved the file parsing into subclasses and hope to soon add uF feeds
  543. [21:44:03] <factoryjoe> ooo
  544. [21:44:05] <factoryjoe> rock on
  545. [21:44:07] <monkinetic> found a ruby uF parser
  546. [21:44:17] <monkinetic> that looks like it might work
  547. [21:44:17] <factoryjoe> yeah -- assaf's?
  548. [21:44:29] <factoryjoe> labnotes?
  549. [21:44:31] <monkinetic> no, the guy from chowhound
  550. [21:44:35] <monkinetic> mofo - based on hpricot
  551. [21:44:36] <factoryjoe> link?
  552. [21:44:42] <factoryjoe> hpricot?! haha
  553. [21:44:44] <factoryjoe> oh
  554. [21:44:46] <factoryjoe> also
  555. [21:44:56] <factoryjoe> check this out: http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.web.openid.general/4144
  556. [21:45:09] <monkinetic> http://errtheblog.com/post/37
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  559. [21:45:27] <jibot> briansuda is brian suda of http://suda.co.uk and is at (-0000 GMT) and is author of "Using Microformats" for O'Reilly [http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/microformats/]
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  561. [21:46:25] <jibot> danja is Danny Ayers, http://dannyayers.com
  562. [21:46:58] <factoryjoe> that rules
  563. [21:47:19] <monkinetic> that == mofo?
  564. [21:47:20] <monkinetic> yeah
  565. [21:47:22] <monkinetic> looks great
  566. [21:47:25] <aconbere|work> monkinetic: what's a lifestream?
  567. [21:47:45] <monkinetic> see
  568. [21:47:56] <monkinetic> http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A%2F%2Fadactio.com%2Fjournal%2F1202%2F&ei=-Xa6Rbb6IKW2igGu8MyXBQ&usg=__uCj-XpuxBC4phGyKVvYMHLC_NAM=&sig2=A18f_3PFkWrOkwHCnry_SQ
  569. [21:47:58] <monkinetic> oops
  570. [21:48:04] <monkinetic> stupid google
  571. [21:48:09] <factoryjoe> ?
  572. [21:48:13] <monkinetic> http://adactio.com/journal/1202/
  573. [21:48:15] <factoryjoe> factoryjoe.com/stream
  574. [21:48:24] <aconbere|work> heh
  575. [21:48:26] <aconbere|work> are you writing one?
  576. [21:48:37] <monkinetic> i'm writing a lifestream app
  577. [21:48:41] <aconbere|work> cause I have one I've written in django
  578. [21:48:46] <aconbere|work> vidastream.net
  579. [21:48:50] <monkinetic> currently "1 user only"
  580. [21:48:55] <monkinetic> <-- the one user
  581. [21:48:56] <aconbere|work> i'm up to 4!
  582. [21:49:09] <TylerR> Hah, having my site URL in my ?def welcome message has caused the site, which has a single page consisting of an <h1> and <h2> tag, to have 1k hits yesterday. The page was created yesterday morning.
  583. [21:49:11] <aconbere|work> but one is my brother and he doesn't have any feeds except slashdot
  584. [21:49:12] <monkinetic> it's more of a learning rails aopp for me
  585. [21:49:26] <monkinetic> was chatting with chris about adding uF support
  586. [21:49:42] <monkinetic> so you could subscribe to any page that had uFs
  587. [21:49:52] <monkinetic> the one thing i've not worked out yet
  588. [21:50:04] <monkinetic> how would you define a uniquifier for uFs?
  589. [21:50:09] <monkinetic> rss has guid, atom has id
  590. [21:50:13] <briansuda> UID
  591. [21:50:31] <monkinetic> but it's not required
  592. [21:50:38] <TylerR> Hey there briansuda.
  593. [21:50:44] <monkinetic> so an hCal or hReview is valid w/o it
  594. [21:50:49] <aconbere|work> my biggest problem has been trying to grab things like favicons properly
  595. [21:50:58] <aconbere|work> which is hard when so many places use feedburner
  596. [21:51:03] <monkinetic> i made mine myself.
  597. [21:51:12] <aconbere|work> I have a system set up to over-ride default ones I pull from the domain
  598. [21:51:19] <monkinetic> cool
  599. [21:51:23] <aconbere|work> but I feel like it's a bit of a cludge :)
  600. [21:51:59] <aconbere|work> last.fm's is all funky cause they use a different domain for their feeds than their site
  601. [21:52:11] <aconbere|work> monkinetic: did you make a caching system?
  602. [21:52:29] <monkinetic> fetched posts are stored in mysql
  603. [21:52:42] <monkinetic> and fetched from there to display
  604. [21:52:50] <monkinetic> users have sources which have posts
  605. [21:53:20] <aconbere|work> right
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  607. [21:54:55] <aconbere|work> hmmm I cache feeds on the disk, and have a cron job that updates all of a users feeds (re-pulling xml files when needed), the problem of course is that I have to reparse the xml file on rendering of a page, but it means that I don't have to deal with the mukiness of 301 or 401 responses, I just "pretend" like they happened for real and fork the response to the user.
  608. [21:54:59] <monkinetic> though i'll prolly store the user with the post to make fetchingeasier
  609. [21:55:44] <monkinetic> i'm croning the feeds every 30 mintes and storing the actual iitems in the db
  610. [21:55:52] <mfbot> [[media-info-formats]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/media-info-formats * 1169847783 * (+724)
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  612. [21:55:59] <mfbot> [[User:BogdanStancescu]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/User:BogdanStancescu * 1169847783 * (+724)
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  616. [21:56:12] <aconbere|work> monkinetic: do you check http responses and update your feeds based on them?
  617. [21:56:12] <briansuda> hm.... could that be spam?
  618. [21:56:25] <monkinetic> heh
  619. [21:56:37] <monkinetic> not right now.
  620. [21:56:46] <monkinetic> bothing that fancy :-)
  621. [21:56:49] <monkinetic> nothing
  622. [21:56:57] <aconbere|work> heh
  623. [21:57:08] <aconbere|work> fancy enough that you bothered to dump things into a db :)
  624. [21:58:01] <aconbere|work> http://vidastream.net/u/aconbere/
  625. [21:58:08] <aconbere|work> that's an example of a stream
  626. [21:58:11] <aconbere|work> (my stream)
  627. [21:58:18] <mfbot> [[Special:Log/block]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Special:Log/block&diff=0&oldid=0 * Tantek * (+0) blocked "User:1169847783" with an expiry time of infinite: spam
  628. [21:58:28] <aconbere|work> the biggest problem I'm having these days is actually tracking down people to test the service
  629. [21:58:40] <aconbere|work> geeks in my circles are not social web friendly
  630. [21:58:54] <mfbot> [[Special:Log/delete]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Special:Log/delete&diff=0&oldid=0 * Tantek * (+0) deleted "Talk:xfolk-profile": spam
  631. [21:59:05] <mfbot> [[Special:Log/delete]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Special:Log/delete&diff=0&oldid=0 * Tantek * (+0) deleted "Talk:measure": spam
  632. [21:59:11] <mfbot> [[Special:Log/delete]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Special:Log/delete&diff=0&oldid=0 * Tantek * (+0) deleted "Talk:currency": spam
  633. [21:59:22] <mfbot> [[Special:Log/delete]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Special:Log/delete&diff=0&oldid=0 * Tantek * (+0) deleted "User:BogdanStancescu": spam
  634. [21:59:28] <mfbot> [[Special:Log/delete]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Special:Log/delete&diff=0&oldid=0 * Tantek * (+0) deleted "Talk:review-examples": spam
  635. [21:59:39] <mfbot> [[Special:Log/delete]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Special:Log/delete&diff=0&oldid=0 * Tantek * (+0) deleted "media-info-formats": spam
  636. [22:00:48] <aconbere|work> monkinetic: anyways I'm just really excited to hear about someone else writing something
  637. [22:01:04] <factoryjoe> monkinetic: i gotta run
  638. [22:01:07] <factoryjoe> but keep me posted
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  640. [22:01:27] <monkinetic> yeah, it's fun. no promises it will ever see the light of day for anyone but me, but it's good stuff
  641. [22:02:02] <aconbere|work> yeah, I should hopefully be finishing up the design this weekend, and then trying to really push for testers
  642. [22:02:11] <aconbere|work> backend is all pretty much nailed down now
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  644. [22:05:32] <TylerR> Awesome! I'm getting our senior/lead web dev to endorse me going to web directions north. :D
  645. [22:05:39] <TylerR> He's going to help me sell the idea to management.
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  658. [22:25:39] <mkaply> Is an org without orgname/orgunit essentially the same as an org with just orgname specified? Or should keep them differnet
  659. [22:29:51] <briansuda> ?
  660. [22:30:10] <briansuda> i think an ORG without an orgname, the string IS the orgname
  661. [22:31:00] <briansuda> there has been a proposal to let FN == ORG.orgname
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  664. [22:34:43] <mkaply> ok. That's my answer then.
  665. [22:35:09] <mkaply> I was trying to figure out if org by itself could mean something different than org with just an orgname, but the answer is org is a shortcut for org with jyust an org name
  666. [22:35:28] <briansuda> right
  667. [22:35:35] <briansuda> org.unit is optional
  668. [22:35:42] <mkaply> I'm redoing how I store things and trying to figure out the best way to store things. Like you could have a scenario where some orgs were just orgnames, and others were orgname/orgunit...
  669. [22:36:05] <mkaply> should I store them all as objects with orgname set or should I store the orgname onlys as strings and the orgname/orgunit as am object
  670. [22:36:16] <mkaply> It's purely implementation specific,
  671. [22:37:13] <briansuda> hm...
  672. [22:37:14] <mkaply> I'm thinking I should store them all consistently so people who write actions don't have to say "if org is string do one thing, if object get orgname)
  673. [22:37:37] <briansuda> i think if there is no children of ORG, the string IS org.name
  674. [22:37:52] <mkaply> ok.
  675. [22:37:58] <briansuda> then if anyone gets at the data then they are getting ORG.name and don't have to deal with shortcuts
  676. [22:39:13] <mkaply> ok. I'm experimenting with writing a Javascript structure that can fully define the microformat and how to access each entity. That's why I'm thinking about stuff like this.
  677. [22:40:07] <briansuda> so you are basically making a vCard object and then parsing the hCard and populating that?
  678. [22:41:53] <aconbere|work> has anyone here read anything of my code microformat proposal
  679. [22:41:54] <mkaply> it's more like a template. I have a javascript structure that fully understands all the details of an hcard. Then I have a generic creation function. You give this function a node and a template and the result is a JS object that has all the microformat properties accessible as members
  680. [22:49:02] <mfbot> [[accessibility]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=accessibility&diff=0&oldid=12936 * JamesCraig * (+820) Accessibility - localization sans abbr misuse
  681. [22:50:20] <aconbere|work> I'm curious about the suggestion of being able to smoosh the format into hReview or hProduct as has been suggested
  682. [22:50:30] <aconbere|work> and what people who know more about such things think of that
  683. [22:52:38] <mfbot> [[accessibility]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=accessibility&diff=0&oldid=12937 * JamesCraig * (+71) Proposed Solution for hCard v2 -
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  687. [22:57:23] <briansuda> metaclasses?
  688. [22:57:38] <briansuda> that proposed solution doesn't make much sense?
  689. [22:58:06] <briansuda> that goes against the human-readability
  690. [22:59:25] <aconbere|work> which does?
  691. [23:00:27] <briansuda> http://microformats.org/wiki?title=accessibility&diff=0&oldid=12937
  692. [23:00:47] <briansuda> i'm not sure hiding data in metaclasses makes things more accessible in the least?
  693. [23:04:41] * aconbere|work does a sigh of relief
  694. [23:05:06] <aconbere|work> I was going to say... man if people thought my proposal was terrible they should have just told me in the start :P
  695. [23:19:40] <mfbot> [[events/2007-01-la-get-together]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2007-01-la-get-together&diff=0&oldid=12938 * Luke Dorny * (+427) Los Angeles January 2007 Microformats Get Together Planning -
  696. [23:20:26] <mfbot> [[events/2007-01-la-get-together]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2007-01-la-get-together&diff=0&oldid=12939 * Luke Dorny * (-11) Los Angeles January 2007 Microformats Get Together Planning -
  697. [23:21:27] <mfbot> [[events/2007-01-la-get-together]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2007-01-la-get-together&diff=0&oldid=12940 * Luke Dorny * (+29) Los Angeles January 2007 Microformats Get Together Planning -
  698. [23:27:02] <tantek> briansuda - the proposed solution is worse than not making sense, it was already tried and rejected.
  699. [23:27:13] <tantek> James Craig r u on the channel?
  700. [23:27:18] <briansuda> time to revert?
  701. [23:28:39] <TylerR> tantek: Looks like I might be getting to come see you at Web Directions North. :) I just convinced the lead web dev and my project manager, and they're pumped and want me to go.
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  703. [23:29:43] <tantek> it looks like Web Directions North will be a great conference overall
  704. [23:29:48] <mfbot> [[qnames-considered-harmful]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/qnames-considered-harmful * Tantek * (+137)
  705. [23:30:58] <TylerR> Definitely. Really looking forward to bringing back some new ways of thinking to our company.
  706. [23:33:36] <tantek> briansuda - do you remember where we discussed class="work" or class="home" and decided against it?
  707. [23:33:50] <tantek> I thought it was in hcard-parsing or hcard-brainstorming, and can't find it there now.
  708. [23:38:40] <tantek> ah there it is: http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-parsing#ISSUE_2
  709. [23:38:46] <tantek> found from hcard-issues
  710. [23:41:40] <mfbot> [[events/2007-01-la-get-together]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2007-01-la-get-together&diff=0&oldid=12941 * Tantek * (+0)
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  712. [23:43:39] <jibot> danbri is that foaf guy from http://danbri.org/
  713. [23:46:10] <tantek> briansuda, and even worse than that - that issue belongs in hcard-issues, not in accessibiliy.
  714. [23:46:18] * tantek does some wiki gardening and issue resolving.
  715. [23:46:35] <briansuda> i agree, i'm not sure how that makes it more accessible?
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  718. [23:52:21] <jibot> redmonk is Steve Ivy, http://redmonk.net and is linklogging at http://deliciouslymeta.com
  719. [23:52:51] <mfbot> [[hcard-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-issues&diff=0&oldid=12942 * Tantek * (+1170) moved James Craig Localization issue from accessibility to here
  720. [23:53:07] <mfbot> [[accessibility]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=accessibility&diff=0&oldid=12943 * Tantek * (-891) removed content added to the wrong page, and moved to [[hcard-issues]]
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