IRC Log for #microformats on 2007-01-26
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- [00:13:03] <OpenStandards>
god reading the w3c specs is boring
- [00:13:31] <danbri>
maybe they should play music in the background?
- [00:13:44] <TylerR>
Elevator music? :)
- [00:14:18] <OpenStandards>
o yeah new xml specs are out
- [00:14:42] <TylerR>
I'm ready for XHTML 2 and/or HTML 5.
- [00:14:51] <OpenStandards>
http://www.w3.org/2007/01/qt-pressrelease.html.en :)
- [00:15:14] <OpenStandards>
xpath 2.0...etc
- [00:15:53] <TylerR>
Ah nice.
- [00:15:57] <TylerR>
I'll have to take a peek.
- [00:23:08] <OpenStandards>
god i can´t wait til we have xforms support
- [00:23:19] <TylerR>
Hmm... listing XHTML and CSS next to "Semantic web development" would be a bit repetitive would it not?
- [00:23:34] <TylerR>
(updating my LinkedIn profile).
- [00:24:50] <OpenStandards>
not really
- [00:25:36] <OpenStandards>
you could design a site using css and xhtml but i´m sure it could not be semantic correct
- [00:25:43] * TylerR nods.
- [00:25:45] <TylerR>
A good point.
- [00:27:35] <OpenStandards>
http://richardathome.wordpress.com/2006/04/24/semantic-column-markup-redux/ TylerR check out that article i found earlier today
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- [00:27:52] * TylerR takes a gander.
- [00:28:10] <OpenStandards>
its quite good but he doesn´t mention how to style the divs
- [00:28:58] <TylerR>
I suppose styling is left in the hands of the designer, since all the semantic work has been done. Let us hope that they are a "semantic" designer as well. ;)
- [00:29:55] <OpenStandards>
i tried working it out myself
- [00:30:03] <TylerR>
How did it go?
- [00:30:38] <OpenStandards>
haha still thinking about it and i saw that article hours ago
- [00:31:01] <OpenStandards>
i´ve put it a side i needed to get on with other matters
- [00:33:54] <TylerR>
:)
- [00:37:44] <OpenStandards>
adding another selector would work i think
- [00:37:55] <bewest>
interesting: http://wikia.com/wiki/Collaboration_of_the_month/Genealogy/Blurb
- [00:38:10] <TylerR>
Woah
- [00:38:13] <TylerR>
Now that's interesting.
- [00:38:42] <OpenStandards>
what is?
- [00:39:10] <TylerR>
The wiki-genealogy.
- [00:39:13] <bewest>
they need a model for manipulating people data
- [00:39:23] <bewest>
if only we had something that described people...
- [00:39:36] <bewest>
and some interface with which to do it...
- [00:39:45] <OpenStandards>
haha i did suggest something like that a while ago
- [00:40:36] <TylerR>
That's what I was just thinking bewest. Like an avaCard or something, hehe.
- [00:41:12] <bewest>
or like hcard
- [00:41:19] <bewest>
and the hcard creators
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- [00:42:06] <TylerR>
</sarcasm> ;)
- [00:45:58] <TylerR>
I'd be interested in contributing to a mf spec if something caught my interest. :)
- [00:48:01] <jcw9>
god my boss is talking about weed
- [00:48:08] <bewest>
how about subject areas like citations, requirements, ecommerce...?
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- [00:48:30] <jcw9>
http://www.geni.com/ anyone do this ever?
- [00:52:18] <TylerR>
bewest: Are all those currently being explored?
- [00:53:04] <bewest>
citations is coming along nicely
- [00:53:08] <bewest>
and is an active area
- [00:53:31] <bewest>
requirements, regimens, and ecommerce are completely unexplored areas, but things that people have mentioned from time to time
- [00:53:36] <bewest>
directions, as well
- [00:53:47] <jcw9>
Has anyone made a search engine that can understand <cite>
- [00:54:02] <jcw9>
Or done anything interesting with it/
- [00:54:23] <bewest>
not that I know of
- [00:54:26] <bewest>
well
- [00:54:30] <bewest>
dunno about <cite> per se
- [00:54:40] <bewest>
there are certainly search engines for academic papers
- [00:54:49] <bewest>
and there are also sites for tracking down citations
- [00:55:14] <bewest>
I don't know about their mark up techniques, but I bet the hcite guys could tell you a bit more
- [00:55:16] <TylerR>
Huh, directions... so something akin to <p class="destination">?
- [00:55:31] <bewest>
TylerR: dunno... it's hard to say without doing research :-)
- [00:55:38] <TylerR>
Very true.
- [00:55:55] <TylerR>
Perhaps I'll do that, because with my own site I'm developing here, directions would play a part.
- [00:56:28] <TylerR>
Heck, even the domain name connotates direction/location.
- [00:57:27] <jcw9>
google scholar is pretty neat
- [00:59:25] <TylerR>
I haven't utilized it much myself.
- [00:59:28] <TylerR>
Perhaps I should investigate.
- [01:02:27] <jcw9>
Hm, I think we may try linking to it for people who don't include urls or attachments for publications
- [01:02:38] <jcw9>
being able to get abstract is useful
- [01:03:17] <jcw9>
argh
- [01:03:25] <jcw9>
These people are uploading pdfs to their CVs
- [01:03:28] <jcw9>
in comic sans ms
- [01:03:55] <jcw9>
and expect people to refer to them to see what editorial boards they're on
- [01:04:35] <jcw9>
"See c.v. for presentations"
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in presentations field
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- [01:09:56] <OpenStandards>
TylerR, so you know i just a, b and c i think thats good enough
- [01:11:58] <TylerR>
What's that? haha Sorry I'm a bit out of the loop, been dealing with some issues all day and my head is swimming.
- [01:14:12] <OpenStandards>
how to style different columns
- [01:14:24] <OpenStandards>
http://pastebin.archlinux.org/1031 that to me looks good
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- [01:15:59] <TylerR>
Ah okay, sorry, didn't quite understand the "a, b, c" context for a minute. :)
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ryanlowe is Ryan Lowe, http://www.fanconcert.com
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- [02:37:22] <redmonk>
anyone used the microformat parser built on ruby's scrai?
- [02:39:04] <defunkt>
yeah
- [02:39:27] <defunkt>
have you tried the hpricot one, mofo?
- [02:40:17] <redmonk>
no, i'll check it out.
- [02:41:18] <redmonk>
any good?
- [02:41:27] <defunkt>
it's pretty simple
- [02:41:37] <defunkt>
*cought* i wrote it *cough*
- [02:49:03] <redmonk>
heh
- [02:49:09] <redmonk>
what exactly is hpricot?
- [02:56:26] <defunkt>
it's a fast html parser written in c
- [02:56:32] <defunkt>
from why the lucky stiff
- [02:56:34] <redmonk>
cool
- [02:56:39] <redmonk>
yeah, installing now
- [02:56:46] <redmonk>
pm?
- [02:56:49] <defunkt>
sure
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whafro is M. Jackson Wilkinson, a designer/developer for Grassroots Enterprise in Washington, DC
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- [03:13:15] <jibot>
TylerR is Tyler Roehmholdt and is brewing something up at http://mappuccino.com
- [03:13:58] <TylerR>
Hey all, back from work and a tasty Thai dinner.
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julianstahnke is Julian Stahnke and works for last.fm and implements microformats wherever he can
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[[events/2007-01-la-get-together]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2007-01-la-get-together&diff=0&oldid=12884 * Tantek * (+282) added uWink proposal for Saturday night.
- [03:57:35] <mfbot>
[[events/2007-01-la-get-together]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2007-01-la-get-together&diff=0&oldid=12885 * Tantek * (-1)
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[[hcard-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=12886 * Viferpilot * (+112) Geospatial Metadata -
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bear is located near Philadelphia, PA and the build/release grunt for OSAF and an apprentice python hacker
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- [06:14:56] <TylerR>
Hey there KevinMarks.
- [06:16:38] <KevinMarks>
hello there
- [06:16:55] <TylerR>
How's your evening going?
- [06:16:57] <KevinMarks>
I had an intersting day representing microformats att he VRM summary
- [06:17:04] <KevinMarks>
*summit
- [06:17:18] <TylerR>
Oh nice! How'd that go?
- [06:18:09] <KevinMarks>
interesting - the basis principle is good
- [06:18:15] <TylerR>
I'd really like to go to the conference next month up in Vancouver, but I don't think my company will front the bill because it's so soon.
- [06:18:37] <KevinMarks>
and there was some good pickup on the mf principles
- [06:19:32] <TylerR>
Cool! You know it goes well when people want to keep talking about it. :)
- [06:21:18] <TylerR>
Anything interesting come out of the pickup?
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- [06:27:04] <KevinMarks>
well, the hcard and hreview is a good fit for lots of it
- [06:27:10] <KevinMarks>
but we need to hink about product id's
- [06:27:12] <KevinMarks>
and pricing
- [06:27:35] * TylerR nods.
- [06:28:12] <TylerR>
Those two things are kind of in limbo when it comes to where to put them.
- [06:28:13] <tantek>
productids are simply URIs right?
- [06:28:22] <KevinMarks>
OpenID + hCard + XFN rel="me" is good
- [06:28:31] <KevinMarks>
well, mapping between URIs for alternatives
- [06:28:48] <tantek>
the market will sort out such mappings organically
- [06:28:59] <tantek>
especially from a product perspective
- [06:29:12] <tantek>
there is a spectrum of how close are "alternatives"
- [06:29:26] <KevinMarks>
yes, we talked about that
- [06:29:30] <tantek>
which is fuzzy and perhaps only determinable by the market in a distributed fashion
- [06:29:42] <KevinMarks>
there is a direct equivalence mapping which is useful
- [06:29:49] <KevinMarks>
and tagging for the fuzzy overlaps
- [06:29:53] <tantek>
and thus attempting to solve it with some sort of definitive list of alternatives may be a futile effort
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- [06:30:12] <tantek>
the very notion of "direct equivalence" may be a flawed notion, that's the point
- [06:30:22] <tantek>
it may be too narrow a framing
- [06:30:53] <tantek>
and especially in a products/market situation, equivalence on products means different things to different people
- [06:31:07] <tantek>
it is not something that can be encoded as a universally true assertion for everyone
- [06:31:14] <KevinMarks>
quite
- [06:31:27] <KevinMarks>
Doc has some interestinfg stuff about the construction industry
- [06:31:36] <KevinMarks>
and substitutibility
- [06:31:58] <tantek>
example: toilet paper. for some people, it's all the same, regardless of brand - it's all equivalent. for others, they're quite picky about softness or quilting or ply etc.
- [06:32:22] <tantek>
so both the "direct" aspect is a flawed assumption, as is the implied assumption that you could have any semblance of "global" "equivalence"
- [06:33:05] <KevinMarks>
the IMDB movie url is equivalent to the amazon DVD ?
- [06:33:19] <KevinMarks>
is equivalent to the iTunes store one?
- [06:33:19] <tantek>
depends on the moviephile
- [06:33:45] <tantek>
to some folks the 192kbps MP3 is equivalent to the CD, to others, very much not so
- [06:34:03] <KevinMarks>
fair point
- [06:34:10] <tantek>
when it comes to products, what people mean by "equivalence" is broadly varied
- [06:34:16] <KevinMarks>
I think 'alternate' is a viable idea
- [06:34:19] <tantek>
hence why you must use real world examples to reason about these things
- [06:34:26] <KevinMarks>
as an expression fo acceptabel substitute
- [06:34:30] <tantek>
i don't think alternate is a globally viable idea
- [06:34:32] <tantek>
for products
- [06:34:52] <tantek>
because different people have a different idea of what would be an alternative and what wouldn't
- [06:34:57] <tantek>
for *nearly* every product
- [06:35:36] <KevinMarks>
no, any more than tags are globally viable -it's an expression of individual opinion
- [06:36:10] <tantek>
if it is recast as the expression of an individual opinion then yes - but the problem with existing "alternatives" formats is that they all assume globalness/universality
- [06:36:47] <KevinMarks>
I was talking about the alternates stuff in mf draft
- [06:36:53] <KevinMarks>
not the XRI lot
- [06:37:04] <tantek>
that doesn't have the author as a key component does it?
- [06:37:23] <KevinMarks>
who were there, but I'm not worried about them producing anything real anytime soon
- [06:37:46] <KevinMarks>
it has an implicit author, just as tags do; you think it needs an explicit one like hreview?
- [06:37:48] <tantek>
very few things that start with an X are real anytime soon
- [06:37:57] <KevinMarks>
heh
- [06:38:15] <tantek>
i'd say that statement is probably about 80/20 correct :)
- [06:38:15] <TylerR>
:)
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- [07:11:58] <jibot>
bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
- [07:14:44] <TylerR>
Any interesting things going on for you guys tomorrow?
- [07:39:35] <KevinMarks>
there's a mobile identity conference
- [07:39:46] <KevinMarks>
I may go along and preach openid+hcard
- [07:45:58] <TylerR>
Very nice. I seriously need to move to the Bay area one of these days. :)
- [07:46:07] <TylerR>
Though Seattle is in its own right a great hotspot.
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danbri is that foaf guy from http://danbri.org/
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- [08:20:24] <KevinMarks>
hi danbri
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davecardwell is Dave Cardwell of http://davecardwell.co.uk/. He designs webs and generally geeks about in York, England.
- [08:25:30] * TylerR yawns a bit.
- [08:25:48] <TylerR>
Just finished watching a Ryan Davis interview. That man is the definition of gifted.
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[[events/2007-01-la-get-together]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2007-01-la-get-together&diff=0&oldid=12887 * Mike * (+16) add vote for uwink, even though it's far, far from san diego.
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danja is Danny Ayers, http://dannyayers.com
- [08:55:51] <TylerR>
Hi danja.
- [08:56:16] <danja>
hiya
- [08:56:38] <TylerR>
How's your day coming along?
- [08:56:41] * danja not yet woken up...
- [08:56:46] <danja>
heh
- [08:57:07] <TylerR>
Ah well then I should have said, "How was your sleep?"
- [08:57:10] <danja>
and yours?
- [08:58:00] <TylerR>
Great actually! Settled on a solid domain, acquired it and some hosting, and now setting up a landing page with newsletter signup.
- [08:58:08] <TylerR>
So being rather productive today. :)
- [09:00:22] <TylerR>
Say, you're not the Danny Ayers of XML books are you?
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- [09:05:25] <danbri>
busted, danja. I always said you should travel under an assumed name....
- [09:06:04] <TylerR>
Haha. :) Well I just found out via your site. I own your XML books and thoroughly enjoy them.
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- [09:13:12] <danja>
thank-you!
- [09:13:56] <danja>
reminds me, somewhere a bit went in on microformats, must add to the book page
- [09:14:15] <TylerR>
:)
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trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and helps with www.multipack.co.uk
- [09:23:20] <TylerR>
Hi trovster.
- [09:23:29] <trovster>
hi...
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- [09:37:05] <TylerR>
How's it going trovster?
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- [09:38:45] <trovster>
terrible, food poisoning on holiday....
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- [09:38:58] <jibot>
iand is Ian Davis who blogs at http://iandavis.com/blog
- [09:38:58] <TylerR>
Oh ouch! I'm sorry to hear that. :(
- [09:39:33] <TylerR>
Hey there iand.
- [09:39:42] <TylerR>
trovster, what did you eat that caused that?
- [09:40:04] <trovster>
anyway... not really relevant to the channel
- [09:40:21] * TylerR nods.
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- [09:41:30] <TylerR>
How's your morning going iand?
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doing ok so far - only just started though
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briansuda is brian suda of http://suda.co.uk and is at (-0000 GMT) and is author of "Using Microformats" for O'Reilly [http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/microformats/]
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Ronnos is Ron Kok, a friendly student Communication and Multimedia Design in The Netherlands
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Night everyone!
- [10:29:38] <TylerR>
Or morning, or good day. ;)
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julianstahnke is Julian Stahnke and works for last.fm and implements microformats wherever he can
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a little noob question...how do i reply to a specific message in the digest? do i just use the subject, add re: in front of it and send to microformats-discuss@mocroformats.org?
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*micro
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bengee is Benjamin Nowack (http://bnode.org/)
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Mr_Elusive is not a programmer from id but makes his home at http://eswat.ca
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[[irc-people]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=irc-people&diff=0&oldid=12894 * DiegoBudny * (-8)
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edsu is Ed Summers from the Library of Congress <http://www.inkdroid.org>
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SamRose is found at http://smartmobs.com, http://communitywiki.org, http://blog.p2pfoundation.com, http://barcampbank.com, and http://cooperationcommons.com
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sreynen is Scott Reynen, who makes things at makedatamakesense.com
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danja is Danny Ayers, http://dannyayers.com
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csarven is Sarven Capadisli and can be found online at http://www.csarven.ca
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ajturner is Andrew Turner, a simulation and geolocation nut who blogs at http://highearthorbit.com
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davecardwell is Dave Cardwell of http://davecardwell.co.uk/. He designs webs and generally geeks about in York, England.
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pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
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mkaply is Michael Kaply <http://www.kaply.com/weblog/> and is the developer of Operator <https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/4106/>
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[[events/2007-01-la-get-together]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2007-01-la-get-together&diff=0&oldid=12895 * Leikam * (+17)
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danja is Danny Ayers, http://dannyayers.com
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TylerR is Tyler Roehmholdt and is brewing something up at http://mappuccino.com
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- [17:34:22] <monkinetic>
hey cool: hCite support in a desktop app: http://michael-mccracken.net/wp/?p=84
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?def TylerR is Tyler Roehmholdt and is brewing up something social at http://mappuccino.com
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TylerR is Tyler Roehmholdt and is brewing something up at http://mappuccino.com and Tyler Roehmholdt and is brewing up something social at http://mappuccino.com
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Ack!
- [17:38:28] <ajturner>
nice it's like bio >> bio
- [17:42:55] <KevinMarks>
hm, i'm sure it used to be smarter than that
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Looks like its off to jibot help land.
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?jibot help
- [17:46:48] <TylerR>
Hmm, I'll just go visit the site... :)
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TylerR: try ?forgetme
- [17:47:13] <TylerR>
Ah great monkinetic!
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?forgetme
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I have expunged TylerR from my mind
- [17:47:21] <TylerR>
Beautiful.
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- [17:49:42] <TylerR>
?def TylerR is Tyler Roehmholdt and is brewing up something social at http://mappuccino.com
- [17:49:42] <jibot>
TylerR is Tyler Roehmholdt and is brewing up something social at http://mappuccino.com
- [17:49:51] <TylerR>
Excellent!
- [17:52:43] <TylerR>
Thanks much monkinetic. I really do need to become more well-versed in IRC.
- [17:52:54] <monkinetic>
np
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iand is Ian Davis who blogs at http://iandavis.com/blog
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[[code-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=code-examples&diff=0&oldid=12896 * Aconbere * (+454) Real-World Examples -
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[[code-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=code-examples&diff=0&oldid=12897 * Aconbere * (+1) Real-World Examples -
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[[code-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=code-examples&diff=0&oldid=12898 * Aconbere * (+81) Common Patterns -
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what does the +# mean in those?
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pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
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Hi there aconbere|work and pnhChris.
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afternoon
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aconbere the +# or -# is the number of characters added or removed as a result of the edit.
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- [18:36:18] <aconbere|work>
ahh
- [18:36:21] <aconbere|work>
thanks
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danja is Danny Ayers, http://dannyayers.com
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- [18:38:34] <TylerR>
Hey there danja.
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- [18:46:46] <aconbere|work>
TylerR: I think he's just flapping
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- [18:50:31] <TylerR>
Ahh. :)
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[[hcard-examples-in-wild]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=12899 * AndyMabbett * (+0) move latest to top of relevant section (do we need both of these sections?)
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[[mailing-lists-proposals]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=mailing-lists-proposals&diff=0&oldid=12900 * Tantek * (+1328) fixed comments, responded to general discussion
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[[irc]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=irc&diff=0&oldid=12901 * AndyMabbett * (+197) People on irc - mfbot
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w.r.t. singularity, hmm "The vCard represents a single directory object. Legal precedents afford a person a single given-name and family-name, thus only a single "n" property is permitted." ---http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-singular-properties
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[[irc]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=irc&diff=0&oldid=12902 * AndyMabbett * (-197) stet
- [18:55:51] <danbri>
which country?
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[[mfbot]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=mfbot&diff=0&oldid=12903 * AndyMabbett * (+166) character counts
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[[mfbot]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=mfbot&diff=0&oldid=12904 * AndyMabbett * (-10)
- [18:56:48] <tantek>
danbri - see your passport
- [18:56:55] <tantek>
that's worldwide
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[[irc]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=irc&diff=0&oldid=12905 * AndyMabbett * (+31) Bots - explain mfbot
- [18:57:20] <tantek>
we are simply re-using assumptions from an existing well interoperably implemented world-wide protocol :D
- [18:58:13] <danbri>
my passport says "given names / prenoms", fwiw
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but you shouldn't reason from what a document has slots for, to what the person described by that document has...
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[[irc-people]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=irc-people&diff=0&oldid=12906 * AndyMabbett * (+178) mf bot (& sorting)
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even if its a very important doc
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my passport also says "Her Britannic Majesty's Secretary of State Requests and requires in the Name of Her Majesty all those whom it may concern to allow the bearer to pass freely without let or hindrance, and to afford the bearer such assistance and protection as may be necessary"....
- [19:00:34] <danbri>
...but I wouldn't shoehorn that into a tech spec
- [19:01:00] <danbri>
but ... to go back to Q ... .the legal precedent is passports?
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[[glossary]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=glossary&diff=0&oldid=12907 * AndyMabbett * (+68) mfbot
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danbri - when i said see your passport, i meant see your passport as a real world example of a global legal precedent, go research passport treaties/formats on the web and you'll find the precedents there.
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[[code-brainstorming]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/code-brainstorming * Aconbere * (+1577)
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[[mailing-lists]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=mailing-lists&diff=0&oldid=12911 * Tantek * (+351) Use the wiki to capture/reference state
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and fwiw, "given names / prenoms" refers to given-name plus additional-names in the vCard/hCard vernacular
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in otherwords, even on your passport, you put one of your given-names *first* and that is taken *as* your given-name in vCard/hCard - the rest are additional-name(s)
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[[mailing-lists-proposals]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=mailing-lists-proposals&diff=0&oldid=12915 * Tantek * (+89)
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[[hcard-singular-properties]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-singular-properties&diff=0&oldid=12916 * AndyMabbett * (+21) n - No legal precedent for single-name-only in UK, for example
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[[hcard-singular-properties]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-singular-properties&diff=0&oldid=12917 * Tantek * (-21) Reverted edit of AndyMabbett, changed back to last version by Brian
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[[hcard-singular-properties]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-singular-properties&diff=0&oldid=12918 * Tantek * (+42) prev revert was due to no evidence, added clarification of additional-name(s) absorbing what others may consider multiple given-name(s)
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[[hcard-singular-properties]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-singular-properties&diff=0&oldid=12919 * AndyMabbett * (+326) multiple names legal in UK
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[[hcard-singular-properties]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-singular-properties&diff=0&oldid=12921 * Tantek * (+366) Moved inline UK notes to possible exceptions that may require further research, and yet, still seems to fit within the single given-name with possible multiple additional-name(s) categorization.
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or perhaps we just say that the UK is outside the 80/20 in this case ;)
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[[hcard-singular-properties]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-singular-properties&diff=0&oldid=12922 * AndyMabbett * (+260) n - further UK example
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[[hcard-singular-properties]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-singular-properties&diff=0&oldid=12923 * AndyMabbett * (+284) n - another UK example
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[[hcard-singular-properties]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-singular-properties&diff=0&oldid=12924 * AndyMabbett * (+127) n - another UK example
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should fn and org/organization-name be included inside the adr class or can they be outside of it as long as they are inside the vcard class?
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[[events/2007-01-la-get-together]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2007-01-la-get-together&diff=0&oldid=12926 * Luke Dorny * (+37) Los Angeles January 2007 Microformats Get Together Planning -
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[[hcalendar-examples-in-wild]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=12927 * AndyMabbett * (+78) me last to problem (dtend not advanced)
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[[hcard-singular-properties]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-singular-properties&diff=0&oldid=12933 * AndyMabbett * (+45) Related Pages
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[[Template:hcard-related-pages]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Template:hcard-related-pages&diff=0&oldid=12934 * AndyMabbett * (+119) hcard-singular-properties
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AndyMabbett is a machine
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[[Main Page]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=12935 * Aconbere * (+42)
- [21:40:39] <monkinetic>
factoryjoe: ping
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there you are
- [21:42:49] <monkinetic>
therer i am?
- [21:43:11] <factoryjoe>
you twittered?
- [21:43:14] <monkinetic>
lol
- [21:43:15] <monkinetic>
yeah
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i made some more prograss on the lifestream based on our conversation of the other day
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moved the file parsing into subclasses and hope to soon add uF feeds
- [21:44:03] <factoryjoe>
ooo
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rock on
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found a ruby uF parser
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that looks like it might work
- [21:44:17] <factoryjoe>
yeah -- assaf's?
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labnotes?
- [21:44:31] <monkinetic>
no, the guy from chowhound
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mofo - based on hpricot
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link?
- [21:44:42] <factoryjoe>
hpricot?! haha
- [21:44:44] <factoryjoe>
oh
- [21:44:46] <factoryjoe>
also
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check this out: http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.web.openid.general/4144
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http://errtheblog.com/post/37
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briansuda is brian suda of http://suda.co.uk and is at (-0000 GMT) and is author of "Using Microformats" for O'Reilly [http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/microformats/]
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danja is Danny Ayers, http://dannyayers.com
- [21:46:58] <factoryjoe>
that rules
- [21:47:19] <monkinetic>
that == mofo?
- [21:47:20] <monkinetic>
yeah
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looks great
- [21:47:25] <aconbere|work>
monkinetic: what's a lifestream?
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see
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http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A%2F%2Fadactio.com%2Fjournal%2F1202%2F&ei=-Xa6Rbb6IKW2igGu8MyXBQ&usg=__uCj-XpuxBC4phGyKVvYMHLC_NAM=&sig2=A18f_3PFkWrOkwHCnry_SQ
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oops
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stupid google
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?
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http://adactio.com/journal/1202/
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factoryjoe.com/stream
- [21:48:24] <aconbere|work>
heh
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are you writing one?
- [21:48:37] <monkinetic>
i'm writing a lifestream app
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cause I have one I've written in django
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vidastream.net
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currently "1 user only"
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<-- the one user
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i'm up to 4!
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Hah, having my site URL in my ?def welcome message has caused the site, which has a single page consisting of an <h1> and <h2> tag, to have 1k hits yesterday. The page was created yesterday morning.
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but one is my brother and he doesn't have any feeds except slashdot
- [21:49:12] <monkinetic>
it's more of a learning rails aopp for me
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was chatting with chris about adding uF support
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so you could subscribe to any page that had uFs
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the one thing i've not worked out yet
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how would you define a uniquifier for uFs?
- [21:50:09] <monkinetic>
rss has guid, atom has id
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UID
- [21:50:31] <monkinetic>
but it's not required
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Hey there briansuda.
- [21:50:44] <monkinetic>
so an hCal or hReview is valid w/o it
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my biggest problem has been trying to grab things like favicons properly
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which is hard when so many places use feedburner
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i made mine myself.
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I have a system set up to over-ride default ones I pull from the domain
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cool
- [21:51:23] <aconbere|work>
but I feel like it's a bit of a cludge :)
- [21:51:59] <aconbere|work>
last.fm's is all funky cause they use a different domain for their feeds than their site
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monkinetic: did you make a caching system?
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fetched posts are stored in mysql
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and fetched from there to display
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users have sources which have posts
- [21:53:20] <aconbere|work>
right
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hmmm I cache feeds on the disk, and have a cron job that updates all of a users feeds (re-pulling xml files when needed), the problem of course is that I have to reparse the xml file on rendering of a page, but it means that I don't have to deal with the mukiness of 301 or 401 responses, I just "pretend" like they happened for real and fork the response to the user.
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though i'll prolly store the user with the post to make fetchingeasier
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i'm croning the feeds every 30 mintes and storing the actual iitems in the db
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monkinetic: do you check http responses and update your feeds based on them?
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hm.... could that be spam?
- [21:56:25] <monkinetic>
heh
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not right now.
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bothing that fancy :-)
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nothing
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heh
- [21:57:08] <aconbere|work>
fancy enough that you bothered to dump things into a db :)
- [21:58:01] <aconbere|work>
http://vidastream.net/u/aconbere/
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that's an example of a stream
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(my stream)
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[[Special:Log/block]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Special:Log/block&diff=0&oldid=0 * Tantek * (+0) blocked "User:1169847783" with an expiry time of infinite: spam
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the biggest problem I'm having these days is actually tracking down people to test the service
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geeks in my circles are not social web friendly
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[[Special:Log/delete]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Special:Log/delete&diff=0&oldid=0 * Tantek * (+0) deleted "media-info-formats": spam
- [22:00:48] <aconbere|work>
monkinetic: anyways I'm just really excited to hear about someone else writing something
- [22:01:04] <factoryjoe>
monkinetic: i gotta run
- [22:01:07] <factoryjoe>
but keep me posted
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yeah, it's fun. no promises it will ever see the light of day for anyone but me, but it's good stuff
- [22:02:02] <aconbere|work>
yeah, I should hopefully be finishing up the design this weekend, and then trying to really push for testers
- [22:02:11] <aconbere|work>
backend is all pretty much nailed down now
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Awesome! I'm getting our senior/lead web dev to endorse me going to web directions north. :D
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He's going to help me sell the idea to management.
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davecardwell is Dave Cardwell of http://davecardwell.co.uk/. He designs webs and generally geeks about in York, England.
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danbri is that foaf guy from http://danbri.org/
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- [22:25:39] <mkaply>
Is an org without orgname/orgunit essentially the same as an org with just orgname specified? Or should keep them differnet
- [22:29:51] <briansuda>
?
- [22:30:10] <briansuda>
i think an ORG without an orgname, the string IS the orgname
- [22:31:00] <briansuda>
there has been a proposal to let FN == ORG.orgname
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- [22:34:43] <mkaply>
ok. That's my answer then.
- [22:35:09] <mkaply>
I was trying to figure out if org by itself could mean something different than org with just an orgname, but the answer is org is a shortcut for org with jyust an org name
- [22:35:28] <briansuda>
right
- [22:35:35] <briansuda>
org.unit is optional
- [22:35:42] <mkaply>
I'm redoing how I store things and trying to figure out the best way to store things. Like you could have a scenario where some orgs were just orgnames, and others were orgname/orgunit...
- [22:36:05] <mkaply>
should I store them all as objects with orgname set or should I store the orgname onlys as strings and the orgname/orgunit as am object
- [22:36:16] <mkaply>
It's purely implementation specific,
- [22:37:13] <briansuda>
hm...
- [22:37:14] <mkaply>
I'm thinking I should store them all consistently so people who write actions don't have to say "if org is string do one thing, if object get orgname)
- [22:37:37] <briansuda>
i think if there is no children of ORG, the string IS org.name
- [22:37:52] <mkaply>
ok.
- [22:37:58] <briansuda>
then if anyone gets at the data then they are getting ORG.name and don't have to deal with shortcuts
- [22:39:13] <mkaply>
ok. I'm experimenting with writing a Javascript structure that can fully define the microformat and how to access each entity. That's why I'm thinking about stuff like this.
- [22:40:07] <briansuda>
so you are basically making a vCard object and then parsing the hCard and populating that?
- [22:41:53] <aconbere|work>
has anyone here read anything of my code microformat proposal
- [22:41:54] <mkaply>
it's more like a template. I have a javascript structure that fully understands all the details of an hcard. Then I have a generic creation function. You give this function a node and a template and the result is a JS object that has all the microformat properties accessible as members
- [22:49:02] <mfbot>
[[accessibility]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=accessibility&diff=0&oldid=12936 * JamesCraig * (+820) Accessibility - localization sans abbr misuse
- [22:50:20] <aconbere|work>
I'm curious about the suggestion of being able to smoosh the format into hReview or hProduct as has been suggested
- [22:50:30] <aconbere|work>
and what people who know more about such things think of that
- [22:52:38] <mfbot>
[[accessibility]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=accessibility&diff=0&oldid=12937 * JamesCraig * (+71) Proposed Solution for hCard v2 -
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- [22:57:23] <briansuda>
metaclasses?
- [22:57:38] <briansuda>
that proposed solution doesn't make much sense?
- [22:58:06] <briansuda>
that goes against the human-readability
- [22:59:25] <aconbere|work>
which does?
- [23:00:27] <briansuda>
http://microformats.org/wiki?title=accessibility&diff=0&oldid=12937
- [23:00:47] <briansuda>
i'm not sure hiding data in metaclasses makes things more accessible in the least?
- [23:04:41] * aconbere|work does a sigh of relief
- [23:05:06] <aconbere|work>
I was going to say... man if people thought my proposal was terrible they should have just told me in the start :P
- [23:19:40] <mfbot>
[[events/2007-01-la-get-together]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2007-01-la-get-together&diff=0&oldid=12938 * Luke Dorny * (+427) Los Angeles January 2007 Microformats Get Together Planning -
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[[events/2007-01-la-get-together]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2007-01-la-get-together&diff=0&oldid=12939 * Luke Dorny * (-11) Los Angeles January 2007 Microformats Get Together Planning -
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[[events/2007-01-la-get-together]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2007-01-la-get-together&diff=0&oldid=12940 * Luke Dorny * (+29) Los Angeles January 2007 Microformats Get Together Planning -
- [23:27:02] <tantek>
briansuda - the proposed solution is worse than not making sense, it was already tried and rejected.
- [23:27:13] <tantek>
James Craig r u on the channel?
- [23:27:18] <briansuda>
time to revert?
- [23:28:39] <TylerR>
tantek: Looks like I might be getting to come see you at Web Directions North. :) I just convinced the lead web dev and my project manager, and they're pumped and want me to go.
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- [23:29:43] <tantek>
it looks like Web Directions North will be a great conference overall
- [23:29:48] <mfbot>
[[qnames-considered-harmful]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/qnames-considered-harmful * Tantek * (+137)
- [23:30:58] <TylerR>
Definitely. Really looking forward to bringing back some new ways of thinking to our company.
- [23:33:36] <tantek>
briansuda - do you remember where we discussed class="work" or class="home" and decided against it?
- [23:33:50] <tantek>
I thought it was in hcard-parsing or hcard-brainstorming, and can't find it there now.
- [23:38:40] <tantek>
ah there it is: http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-parsing#ISSUE_2
- [23:38:46] <tantek>
found from hcard-issues
- [23:41:40] <mfbot>
[[events/2007-01-la-get-together]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2007-01-la-get-together&diff=0&oldid=12941 * Tantek * (+0)
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- [23:43:39] <jibot>
danbri is that foaf guy from http://danbri.org/
- [23:46:10] <tantek>
briansuda, and even worse than that - that issue belongs in hcard-issues, not in accessibiliy.
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- [23:46:35] <briansuda>
i agree, i'm not sure how that makes it more accessible?
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redmonk is Steve Ivy, http://redmonk.net and is linklogging at http://deliciouslymeta.com
- [23:52:51] <mfbot>
[[hcard-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-issues&diff=0&oldid=12942 * Tantek * (+1170) moved James Craig Localization issue from accessibility to here
- [23:53:07] <mfbot>
[[accessibility]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=accessibility&diff=0&oldid=12943 * Tantek * (-891) removed content added to the wrong page, and moved to [[hcard-issues]]
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