IRC Log for #microformats on 2007-02-23

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  2. [00:00:19] <jibot> woodss is Steven Woods, from Newcastle, UK (GMT +0000). His personal site is http://www.swoo.co.uk/ and Steven Woods, http://www.swoo.co.uk - He is situated in Newcastle, UK (GMT +0000).
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  23. [02:51:54] <jibot> davecardwell is Dave Cardwell of http://davecardwell.co.uk/. He designs webs and generally geeks about in York, England.
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  39. [05:18:18] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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  45. [07:10:07] <jibot> Charl is Charl van Niekerk and writes about standards at http://standards.za.net/
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  60. [09:05:26] <jibot> trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and helps with www.multipack.co.uk
  61. [09:27:40] <mfbot> [[hatom]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hatom&diff=0&oldid=13693 * Admini * (-58) Implementations -
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  66. [09:45:55] <jibot> woodss is Steven Woods, from Newcastle, UK (GMT +0000). His personal site is http://www.swoo.co.uk/ and Steven Woods, http://www.swoo.co.uk - He is situated in Newcastle, UK (GMT +0000).
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  69. [09:56:02] <jibot> bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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  72. [10:05:17] <jibot> bengee is Benjamin Nowack (http://bnode.org/)
  73. [10:09:29] <mfbot> [[hcard-examples-in-wild-fr]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples-in-wild-fr&diff=0&oldid=13694 * ChristopheDucamp * (+438) Nouveaux exemples - added a wiki-hcard thanks to Laurent Lunati's css
  74. [10:10:45] <mfbot> [[hcard-examples-in-wild-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples-in-wild-fr&diff=0&oldid=13695 * ChristopheDucamp * (-21) Nouveaux exemples -
  75. [10:11:25] <mfbot> [[hcard-examples-in-wild-fr]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples-in-wild-fr&diff=0&oldid=13696 * ChristopheDucamp * (+13) Nouveaux exemples -
  76. [10:17:56] <mfbot> [[hcard-examples-in-wild]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=13697 * ChristopheDucamp * (+409) added my wiki-hcard - suggestions welcome
  77. [10:20:27] <mfbot> [[hcard-examples-in-wild-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples-in-wild-fr&diff=0&oldid=13698 * ChristopheDucamp * (+388) sync'd
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  81. [10:39:14] <jibot> julianstahnke is Julian Stahnke and works for last.fm and implements microformats wherever he can
  82. [10:41:11] <mfbot> [[hcard-examples-in-wild-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples-in-wild-fr&diff=0&oldid=13699 * ChristopheDucamp * (-153) Exemples avec quelques problèmes -
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  84. [10:50:09] <jibot> bluesmoon is at http://flickr.com/photos/bluesmoon
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  86. [11:01:01] <bluesmoon> http://public.yahoo.com/~philip/microformats/
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  89. [11:47:37] <jibot> woodss is Steven Woods, from Newcastle, UK (GMT +0000). His personal site is http://www.swoo.co.uk/ and Steven Woods, http://www.swoo.co.uk - He is situated in Newcastle, UK (GMT +0000).
  90. [12:06:25] <mfbot> [[hatom]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hatom&diff=0&oldid=13700 * AndyMabbett * (+58) rv ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ spam
  91. [12:12:21] <mfbot> [[hatom]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hatom&diff=0&oldid=13701 * Admini * (+5) Implementations -
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  96. [12:21:38] <jibot> briansuda is brian suda of http://suda.co.uk and is at (-0000 GMT) and is author of "Using Microformats" for O'Reilly [http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/microformats/]
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  101. [12:42:45] <jibot> davecardwell is Dave Cardwell of http://davecardwell.co.uk/. He designs webs and generally geeks about in York, England.
  102. [12:48:35] <vbgunz> I have a quick question. I am not too familiar with atom and rss but is atom as big as rss? I mean, considering I am unfamiliar with either one, will covering hAtom be a good idea?
  103. [12:51:14] <briansuda> vbgunz, atom is supported as much as RSS in most applications, it is fine to use
  104. [12:51:27] <briansuda> RSS has stopped being developed, Atom is an IEFT standar
  105. [12:51:49] <vbgunz> thank you Brian, I trust you know your thing better than I. Excellent to hear :)
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  107. [12:59:37] <jibot> RobertBachmann is Robert Bachmann <http://rbach.priv.at> from Austria (TZ: 0100)
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  117. [13:39:58] <jibot> RobertBachmann is Robert Bachmann <http://rbach.priv.at> from Austria (TZ: 0100)
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  119. [13:43:46] <jibot> Mr_Elusive is not a programmer from id but makes his home at http://eswat.ca
  120. [13:50:12] <trovster> bluesmoon: 'The microformats logo is Copyright R�mi Pr�vost' -- is it? I thought it was designed by Dan Cederholm? re: http://www.simplebits.com/notebook/2005/06/22/microformats.html I think what the wiki post http://microformats.org/wiki/logo mentions is the SVG version of the logo
  121. [13:52:01] <mfbot> [[hatom]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hatom&diff=0&oldid=13702 * Phae * (-5) Reverted edit of Admini, changed back to last version by AndyMabbett
  122. [13:52:27] <mfbot> [[Special:Log/block]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Special:Log/block&diff=0&oldid=0 * Phae * (+0) blocked "User:Admini" with an expiry time of never: spam
  123. [13:57:15] <bluesmoon> trovster, ok, was a little confused about that. will correct it
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  125. [14:04:33] <vbgunz> is the dev behind operator here?
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  127. [14:05:08] <jibot> woodss is Steven Woods, from Newcastle, UK (GMT +0000). His personal site is http://www.swoo.co.uk/ and Steven Woods, http://www.swoo.co.uk - He is situated in Newcastle, UK (GMT +0000).
  128. [14:07:17] <RobertBachmann> vbgunz, AFAIK no
  129. [14:10:31] <vbgunz> sorry the door
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  131. [14:12:04] <vbgunz> I am trying to bookmark an xfolk entry in Firefox 2, using operator 0.6.2. It works somewhat, but I see no description, though I even bothered to create the following class "description extended" and I see not keywords, though I have several rel-tag within a meta class...
  132. [14:13:26] <vbgunz> maybe I am getting the xfolk wrong or maybe the operator was not fully tested on xfolk or perhaps, things have changed all over and something broke... I think I broke too but curious... I do not think operator has got this wrong, maybe not sure :(
  133. [14:16:00] <vbgunz> I even tried "description extended summary" ... under debug, it shows the description but it won't carry over into the actual Firefox bookmark :(
  134. [14:25:12] <vbgunz> man, I am not sure what I have wrong :(
  135. [14:25:37] <vbgunz> I just created an account on del.icio.us and tried exporting the bookmark, and it seems to have gotten it all wrong :(
  136. [14:25:40] <vbgunz> I suck :(
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  139. [14:29:02] <RobertBachmann> vbgunz, URL?
  140. [14:29:17] <RobertBachmann> AFAIK <div class="description"> ...</div> should work
  141. [14:29:26] <vbgunz> http://vbgunz.com/xfolkeg.html
  142. [14:29:44] <vbgunz> thats my personal page I am just experimenting with, trying to get xfolk right
  143. [14:30:10] <vbgunz> I might have it wrong though, I checked against some examples in the wild and I might have missed some crucial points (I think)
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  145. [14:34:44] <jibot> csarven is Sarven Capadisli and can be found online at http://www.csarven.ca
  146. [14:34:55] <briansuda> Operator is up to version 7.2 (i think) try upgrading the plugin
  147. [14:36:58] <vbgunz> briansuda: is my source on the page correct though?
  148. [14:37:04] <vbgunz> I'll try upgrading right now
  149. [14:38:11] <vbgunz> the dev jumped from 6.2 to 7. 7 is in alpha... I'll try it out anyway :)
  150. [14:38:35] <briansuda> you might be able to get a stable version between
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  152. [14:38:40] <jibot> SamRose is found at http://smartmobs.com, http://communitywiki.org, http://blog.p2pfoundation.com, http://barcampbank.com, and http://cooperationcommons.com
  153. [14:39:57] <vbgunz> bookmarking with Firefox 2, operator 7, the bookmark is still missing keywords and description... I'll keep messing around with it
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  155. [14:54:19] <RobertBachmann> I'll try installing the latest dev. version of Operaotr
  156. [14:54:25] <RobertBachmann> Operator*
  157. [14:55:48] <vbgunz> I got sidetracked, I'll get back on it. I either have to be missing something for sure or operator needs help with xfolk
  158. [14:59:43] <bluesmoon> for those who weren't here earlier, I'd like some feedback on this: http://public.yahoo.com/~philip/microformats/
  159. [15:01:21] <briansuda> CSS classes are used to extend the semantics of HTML
  160. [15:01:31] <briansuda> it isn't CSS classes, they are just classes in HTML
  161. [15:01:47] <bluesmoon> ok
  162. [15:02:02] <briansuda> hCalendar - for events (it is modeled on iCalendar)
  163. [15:02:17] <bluesmoon> ok
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  165. [15:04:36] <bluesmoon> ok, refresh
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  167. [15:06:31] <vbgunz> wow, I thought frames died a long time ago... today I managed to find 2 framed sites in one day... the last time I saw frames is when I experimented with them several years ago :O
  168. [15:06:58] <briansuda> bluesmoon, looking good
  169. [15:07:03] <bluesmoon> vbgunz did you happen to visit the conference link at the bottom of my slides :D
  170. [15:07:12] <bluesmoon> thanks briansuda
  171. [15:07:15] <vbgunz> bluesmoon: no
  172. [15:07:21] <vbgunz> why, you have frames?
  173. [15:07:24] <vbgunz> :)
  174. [15:07:24] <bluesmoon> go there and be awed
  175. [15:07:35] <bluesmoon> no, I don't, but the conference organisers had different ideas
  176. [15:07:58] <vbgunz> bluesmoon: curious, are you using S5 for that presentation?
  177. [15:08:03] <bluesmoon> vbgunz, yes
  178. [15:08:13] <bluesmoon> if you view source, you'll see it at the end
  179. [15:08:16] <vbgunz> I never used it but heard of it. that is very nice
  180. [15:08:59] <vbgunz> where is this coference link?
  181. [15:09:00] <bluesmoon> vbgunz, I have a perl script that generates the S5 presentation from a simple text file written in Markdown
  182. [15:09:11] <bluesmoon> http://csibc.org/
  183. [15:09:17] <vbgunz> oh ok, I see that
  184. [15:09:21] <vbgunz> :(
  185. [15:09:35] <vbgunz> that page looks seriously hurt :(
  186. [15:09:46] <vbgunz> I think I would need to take a screenshot for you to see what I mean
  187. [15:09:55] <bluesmoon> no, I know what you mean
  188. [15:10:10] <bluesmoon> it goes into my HTML hell bucket
  189. [15:10:32] <bluesmoon> (I'm not responsible for that)
  190. [15:11:04] <vbgunz> oh
  191. [15:11:08] <vbgunz> heh
  192. [15:11:14] <bluesmoon> what sucks isn't that it's just a bad page - there are many of those - but that it's for a Web 2.0 conference
  193. [15:11:17] <vbgunz> someone botched it
  194. [15:11:36] <bluesmoon> the image is a .bmp and the page is made in frontpage (view source)
  195. [15:11:36] <vbgunz> well bar that guy from the conference :)
  196. [15:11:54] <vbgunz> wow, I have seen Frontpage since 97
  197. [15:12:08] <vbgunz> haven't*
  198. [15:12:14] <bluesmoon> so I started with, "how can we use microformats to improve the experience of this page", and I ended with "umm, nevermind."
  199. [15:12:41] <vbgunz> hugeformats won't save that page
  200. [15:13:03] <bluesmoon> lol
  201. [15:13:17] <vbgunz> :)
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  203. [15:15:03] <vbgunz> I remember a little more than 10 years ago I wanted to get into web design... I bought Frontpage 97... I never did anything with it as I found it quite retarded... only about more than a month now, I've studied XHTML completely by hand and drilled "semantics" down (no joke), viewing the source of that page makes me cringe, I can completely understand how FP, MS and IE destroy the web :(
  204. [15:17:42] <bluesmoon> I know what you mean. Though, I learnt a lot of good web programming (separation of style and content) from Microsoft books.
  205. [15:18:31] <bluesmoon> I'd used frontpage a bit, but then realised that I was hand editing most of it afterwards anyway. This was also around 1997
  206. [15:19:00] <vbgunz> I think I am going to write the operator dev an email. I seriously do not get the results I expect :(
  207. [15:20:32] <vbgunz> I haven't did any *HTML for over a year+. The last year I've used nothing but Linux. Before switching to Linux, I used Dreamweaver and though I tweaked the HTML there, I can completely understand how in most cases, it is just bad... maybe great to mock something up but bad when used entirely alone :(
  208. [15:21:12] <vbgunz> I don't know, I guess because switching to Linux, I don't trust anything not done mostly by hand...
  209. [15:22:16] <bluesmoon> I switched to linux in '99, but had been browsing with lynx since '97
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  211. [15:22:38] <jibot> davecardwell is Dave Cardwell of http://davecardwell.co.uk/. He designs webs and generally geeks about in York, England.
  212. [15:22:48] <vbgunz> wow, I tried lynx once... I would rather use w3m ;)
  213. [15:22:50] <bluesmoon> lynx gave me great respect for accessible development
  214. [15:23:08] <vbgunz> yeah, so does w3m :)
  215. [15:23:48] <vbgunz> I agree with you though, semantics and accessibility are very critical once you know how they apply to the mark up
  216. [15:23:59] <bluesmoon> i was forced to use lynx because that's all my ISP provided on their shell account. I connected to the net using term95 under MS DOS
  217. [15:25:20] <vbgunz> I switched to Linux because my PC did not ship with a Windows only CD... I really hate when a PC OEM ships an infested setup :(
  218. [15:25:24] <bluesmoon> vbgunz, you're using gaim?
  219. [15:25:38] <vbgunz> yeah
  220. [15:25:50] <bluesmoon> you'll find my name somewhere in the credits file :)
  221. [15:25:56] <vbgunz> btw, make your vote count, be heard!
  222. [15:25:57] <vbgunz> http://www.dellideastorm.com/
  223. [15:26:08] <vbgunz> its incredible what you find ranking high there :)
  224. [15:26:30] <vbgunz> how do I find the credits file?
  225. [15:26:36] <vbgunz> oh
  226. [15:26:38] <vbgunz> heh
  227. [15:26:39] <vbgunz> I got it
  228. [15:27:09] <bluesmoon> I don't actually have their credits file with me
  229. [15:27:50] <vbgunz> I couldn't find your name or handle in it :(
  230. [15:27:55] <vbgunz> I am using Gaim 2
  231. [15:28:29] <bluesmoon> let me see, things may have changed
  232. [15:29:09] <vbgunz> I would rather use Kopete *but* that thing is seriously *bugged*... ask me, I think it needs a complete rewrite, so far Gaim is the best multi-im cross platform client out there... I can't wait for Trillian Astra though, I hope it appears on Linux
  233. [15:30:11] <bluesmoon> it's in the copyright file
  234. [15:30:23] <bluesmoon> around line 319
  235. [15:30:35] <bluesmoon> depending on how different your version is from svn
  236. [15:31:00] <bluesmoon> vbgunz, I used to work on http://ayttm.sourceforge.net/ and http://libyahoo2.sourceforge.net/
  237. [15:31:22] <bluesmoon> and as part of the latter, worked with devels from kopete, gaim, fire, and others
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  239. [15:33:54] <vbgunz> I went in to #kopete once to ask about several bugs. I was told don't be surprised, the bugs I was questioning about were open for more than a year without a fix in site... I use KDE and really dislike Gnome apps... some I can live with like Gaim, but others that open a lot of Gnome dialogs suck :(
  240. [15:34:44] <bluesmoon> I have the same issue opening KDE apps on Gnome
  241. [15:34:59] <vbgunz> heh, I hear you, I bet it sucks :)
  242. [15:35:32] <bluesmoon> well, I haven't had to face it for a long time
  243. [15:35:56] <bluesmoon> just those stray moments when koffice gets associated with some file type
  244. [15:36:36] <bluesmoon> I used to use openoffice, but it's been causing my kernel to panic and I can't figure out the problem (I'm on FreeBSD)
  245. [15:36:43] <vbgunz> why use koffice when you have open office?
  246. [15:36:47] <vbgunz> ahh
  247. [15:37:22] <vbgunz> one day, I hope to switch to FreeBSD. At least give it a serious try. no time soon though, *but* yes, it is on my todo list
  248. [15:38:52] <bluesmoon> I'm pushing through with Abiword for when someone sends me a .doc file, and gnumeric for .xls is pretty good
  249. [15:39:08] <bluesmoon> but I can't open OO file formats - isn't that ironic
  250. [15:40:32] <vbgunz> heh
  251. [15:41:30] <bluesmoon> anyway, it's been good chatting with you, but I have to head out for dinner now
  252. [15:41:41] <bluesmoon> later
  253. [15:41:57] <vbgunz> be good, enjoy your dinner :)
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  269. [16:32:12] <remi> cool! :)
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  329. [18:54:35] <mfbot> [[rel-faq]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rel-faq&diff=0&oldid=13703 * DerrickPallas * (-17) FAQ: there were TWO links to rel-license in the same list -
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  354. [20:22:53] <jibot> mkaply is Michael Kaply <http://www.kaply.com/weblog/> and is the developer of Operator <https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/4106/>
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  359. [20:29:33] <JamieKnight> hiya mkaply
  360. [20:30:18] <mkaply> hey
  361. [20:30:41] <JamieKnight> how are you?
  362. [20:31:26] <JamieKnight> i hear you have relsead the source for operator, thats great
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  364. [20:33:29] <vbgunz> in regards to the include pattern, this should be legal: <a class="include" href="#id" /> no?
  365. [20:37:23] <vbgunz> hey, mkaply, if you specify one color, you should specify them all ;)
  366. [20:38:27] <mkaply> vbgunz: I'm not understanding your xfolk problem with operator
  367. [20:39:10] <vbgunz> ok one sec, I'll try to clear it up
  368. [20:40:29] <mkaply> vbgunz: the second xfolk on your page works fine for me. Is the problem with the first?
  369. [20:40:31] <vbgunz> mkaply: go here and view the source, I believe I have it correct http://vbgunz.com/xfolkeg.html
  370. [20:40:38] <vbgunz> no, the first is fine
  371. [20:40:44] <vbgunz> it's more of a template
  372. [20:41:08] <vbgunz> when I go to export the 2nd to Firefox 2, my description and "meta" are not exported... is this intended?
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  374. [20:41:26] <mkaply> I get the description exported but not meta
  375. [20:41:38] <vbgunz> really?
  376. [20:41:42] <mkaply> There's really no place to put the meta at delicious.
  377. [20:41:46] <mkaply> vbgunz: try this
  378. [20:41:53] <mkaply> vbgunz: go to options, turn on debug mode
  379. [20:41:54] <vbgunz> I do not get meta or description, in Firefox or de.lico.us
  380. [20:41:58] <vbgunz> ok
  381. [20:42:13] <vbgunz> got it
  382. [20:42:28] <mkaply> ok, you need to switch to microformats mode as well (not actions mode)
  383. [20:42:47] <vbgunz> ok
  384. [20:43:06] <vbgunz> yes, display=microformats, debug
  385. [20:43:15] <mkaply> select xfolk->vbgunz->debug
  386. [20:43:27] <mkaply> you should see
  387. [20:43:28] <mkaply> object description {
  388. [20:43:28] <mkaply> 0=my cool personal site
  389. [20:43:28] <mkaply> }
  390. [20:43:28] <mkaply> object taggedlink {
  391. [20:43:28] <mkaply> title=vbgunz
  392. [20:43:30] <mkaply> link=http://vbgunz.com/
  393. [20:43:32] <mkaply> }
  394. [20:43:52] <vbgunz> http://vbgunz.com/jsscratch.html
  395. [20:44:25] <vbgunz> I see the description in debug, but it is not exported with the actual bookmark in Firefox
  396. [20:44:35] <mkaply> this is when sending to delicious?
  397. [20:44:51] <mkaply> or in Firefox
  398. [20:45:03] <vbgunz> to my firefox bookmark
  399. [20:45:05] <mkaply> ah
  400. [20:45:35] <mkaply> I see what you are saying. I don't think I can set the description in Firefox itself via the API I have
  401. [20:45:45] <vbgunz> ahh :)
  402. [20:46:16] <mkaply> I lied. I can
  403. [20:46:17] <mkaply> hold on
  404. [20:46:30] <vbgunz> can you export tags into categories?
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  406. [20:47:55] <mkaply> sweet. Description to Firefox bookmarks
  407. [20:47:59] <vbgunz> sorry, I meant tag into keywords
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  409. [20:48:24] <vbgunz> Firefox supports keywords on a bookmark, it would be nice to export tags to keywords :)
  410. [20:48:46] <vbgunz> I guess using the tags under meta would be helpful here?
  411. [20:49:42] <mkaply> Firefox only supports one keyword as a shortcut to a bookmark
  412. [20:49:57] <mkaply> so if I put all the tags under there, it wouldn't work
  413. [20:50:06] <mkaply> I should be exporting the tags to something like delicious though
  414. [20:50:19] <vbgunz> mkaply: ahh
  415. [20:50:33] <mkaply> try this. Make a keyword foo
  416. [20:50:41] <mkaply> then type foo in your URL bar
  417. [20:50:49] <mkaply> if you made the keyword foo foo2
  418. [20:50:59] <mkaply> you would have to type "foo foo2" not foo OR foo2
  419. [20:51:05] <vbgunz> ha
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  421. [20:51:48] <vbgunz> I never ever knew that, I thought keyword was for searching bookmarks... wow, I feel tiny :\
  422. [20:52:11] <vbgunz> awesome we got the description though and tags for delicious :)
  423. [20:52:21] <vbgunz> I am of some help I hope :)
  424. [20:52:28] <mkaply> Well, as long as I can send the tags to delicious - have to check their API
  425. [20:53:42] <vbgunz> also, not sure if this is revelant or helpful but shouldn't the description in xfolk be the description in delicious? currently, the description is exported to the note field and not the description field
  426. [20:54:03] <vbgunz> maybe the taggedlink content can be the note?
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  428. [20:55:23] <jibot> trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and helps with www.multipack.co.uk
  429. [20:57:17] <JamieKnight> seems ot make sense vbgunz
  430. [20:57:52] <vbgunz> Jamie, I said whats up in the other channel and said hello to lion but you disappeared :O
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  432. [21:00:33] <jibot> iand is Ian Davis who blogs at http://iandavis.com/blog
  433. [21:00:38] <vbgunz> I guess disappearing is your new trick :)
  434. [21:01:05] <JamieKnight> yeah, teleportation: take some time to master, but onnce you have got it, its priveless
  435. [21:01:10] <JamieKnight> :d
  436. [21:01:38] <vbgunz> :)
  437. [21:02:10] <JamieKnight> *priceless
  438. [21:03:03] <JamieKnight> oh dear, it seems that there has been a traincrash in cumbria
  439. [21:03:42] <vbgunz> :(
  440. [21:06:08] <JamieKnight> not good,
  441. [21:07:18] <vbgunz> mkaply: I hope I didn't stress you :(
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  480. [23:07:45] <jibot> kingryan is ryan king
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  486. [23:20:40] <jibot> woodss is Steven Woods, from Newcastle, UK (GMT +0000). His personal site is http://www.swoo.co.uk/ and Steven Woods, http://www.swoo.co.uk - He is situated in Newcastle, UK (GMT +0000).
  487. [23:20:59] <JamieKnight> hiya woodss
  488. [23:21:08] <woodss> evening
  489. [23:21:09] <JamieKnight> looking though your site now, as it happend!
  490. [23:21:15] <woodss> orly
  491. [23:21:41] <JamieKnight> can i ask why you are notusing hCard?
  492. [23:21:50] <woodss> never got round to it
  493. [23:21:55] <woodss> i probably should
  494. [23:21:56] <woodss> :P
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  496. [23:22:08] <JamieKnight> i was just wondering!
  497. [23:22:11] <JamieKnight> :d
  498. [23:22:26] <woodss> :)
  499. [23:22:40] <JamieKnight> quite alot of web people who i know who make fansatic site tend to not do evtything on thier own, not enough time,
  500. [23:22:59] <JamieKnight> blimy, my typeing is rubbish today,
  501. [23:23:21] <woodss> problem I have is that it is extra effort for no real reason
  502. [23:23:37] <JamieKnight> yeah, how so?
  503. [23:24:02] <woodss> i understand the concept behind it, but ... why bother
  504. [23:24:09] <JamieKnight> surely the fact somone has noticed its not there make it worth the energy to put it thier,
  505. [23:24:17] <JamieKnight> but, i supose,
  506. [23:24:18] <woodss> you noticed it.
  507. [23:24:29] <woodss> you're in #microformats
  508. [23:24:32] <woodss> lol
  509. [23:24:33] <JamieKnight> true
  510. [23:24:41] <JamieKnight> but, i did notice it,
  511. [23:24:58] <JamieKnight> had i been looking for a person to work with....
  512. [23:25:17] <JamieKnight> but, i supose, this is a differnt thing, i understand your point,
  513. [23:25:25] <JamieKnight> I also really like your site,
  514. [23:25:31] <woodss> i understand the concept, but there was little to no benefit for me to do it, since noone cares enough to pull me up about it, lol
  515. [23:25:39] <woodss> *sigh* I guess I should do it
  516. [23:25:52] <woodss> im just being defensive as an excuse for being lazy :P
  517. [23:25:57] <woodss> thank you lol
  518. [23:26:02] <JamieKnight> no problem,
  519. [23:26:09] <JamieKnight> thanks for not gettinh shouty!
  520. [23:26:13] <JamieKnight> getting rather,
  521. [23:26:33] <woodss> why would i get shouty, you had a valid point P
  522. [23:26:34] <woodss> :P
  523. [23:26:53] <JamieKnight> yeah, online that dosent seem to mean much often,
  524. [23:27:04] <JamieKnight> but, as i said, i love the site.
  525. [23:27:18] <woodss> thanks :)
  526. [23:27:53] <JamieKnight> have you implimented Micrformats on many client sites?
  527. [23:29:08] <woodss> nope
  528. [23:29:40] <JamieKnight> no client needed it?
  529. [23:29:43] <woodss> i've been concentrating on getting my business off the ground, i've not had much time to learn and implement new things
  530. [23:29:46] <woodss> just been banging stuff out
  531. [23:29:56] <JamieKnight> i know the feeling,
  532. [23:30:06] <woodss> i don't think any client really knows about microformats, or what they are - I guess it's up to developers like ourselves to educate them
  533. [23:30:07] <JamieKnight> it can be hard building the portfolio, and the company,
  534. [23:30:15] <JamieKnight> hmmmm,
  535. [23:30:23] <woodss> well my full portfolio is www.swoo.co.uk/Private/
  536. [23:30:46] <woodss> have to set a session variable to keep Google away from certain items as they're clients of clients, and can't be associated with me, hehe
  537. [23:31:08] <woodss> slowly but surely im raising funds
  538. [23:31:24] <JamieKnight> how about just setting spider.txt to ignore them?
  539. [23:32:04] <woodss> well i dont want certain visitors to know about them either hehe
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  541. [23:32:23] <JamieKnight> ahm
  542. [23:32:26] <JamieKnight> hense the privite,
  543. [23:32:32] <JamieKnight> sorry, misunderstood,
  544. [23:32:37] <defunkt> woodss: you do client work?
  545. [23:32:41] <JamieKnight> i need to get a portfolio together,
  546. [23:32:43] <woodss> yes
  547. [23:32:53] <defunkt> woodss: pm?
  548. [23:32:56] <woodss> sure
  549. [23:33:17] <JamieKnight> defunkt: i think alot of people in here do client work,
  550. [23:39:37] <defunkt> JamieKnight: indeed, it seems
  551. [23:39:58] <defunkt> man, operator source got released
  552. [23:39:59] <defunkt> way cool
  553. [23:40:03] <JamieKnight> yeah
  554. [23:40:07] <JamieKnight> thats great news,
  555. [23:40:15] <JamieKnight> makea bit of a hKit for javascript,
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