IRC Log for #microformats on 2007-02-26

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  20. [01:51:28] <mfbot> [[hcard-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-issues&diff=0&oldid=13746 * Tantek * (+554) split a re-opened issue into previously resolved half, and unresolved half, which was then resolved
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  23. [03:03:19] <mfbot> [[mailing-lists]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=mailing-lists&diff=0&oldid=13747 * Tantek * (+1541) added some more general guidelines. be nice. read FAQs before asking Qs. cite FAQ URLs when answering Qs.
  24. [03:05:10] <mfbot> [[mailing-lists]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=mailing-lists&diff=0&oldid=13748 * Tantek * (+27) tweaks
  25. [03:10:10] <mfbot> [[mailing-lists]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=mailing-lists&diff=0&oldid=13749 * Tantek * (+177) neutral tone is just fine
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  48. [09:02:52] <mfbot> [[buttons-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=buttons-fr&diff=0&oldid=13750 * ChristopheDucamp * (+477) Microformats Logos -
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  55. [09:40:11] <mfbot> [[hcard-issues-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-issues-fr&diff=0&oldid=13751 * ChristopheDucamp * (+1081)
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  234. [17:38:50] * mkaply continues to miss the point of hAtom.
  235. [17:39:04] <mkaply> Is there an "advantage" to using hAtom to describe comments on your blog for instance
  236. [17:42:06] <trovster> Advantage over what?
  237. [17:42:22] <trovster> Comments are time-based data, so I see them as fair game for hAtom
  238. [17:45:40] <mkaply> Actually, comments are problematic because entry-title is mandatory and most comments don't have a "title" per say.
  239. [17:46:00] <mkaply> I guess I just don't grasp the point of hAtom. I've read the pages and I don't understand the "why"
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  242. [17:51:55] <trovster> Comment by $NAME on $Entry_title
  243. [17:52:26] <trovster> Or, when I subscribed to comments recently, it had by: $commenter_name
  244. [17:52:32] <trovster> You could also use the time
  245. [17:52:57] <trovster> <abbr title="" class="published updated entry-title"> which I suggested to someone who didn't have a title on the entry, anyway.
  246. [17:56:11] <mfbot> [[xfolk-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=xfolk-fr&diff=0&oldid=13761 * ChristopheDucamp * (+193) Blogs de liens -
  247. [17:56:27] <davecardwell> mkaply: with your comments example, if I had a hAtom-aware browser I could post a comment and subscribe to get updates when people reply without you having to provide a separate feed for every blog entry
  248. [17:56:40] <davecardwell> for example
  249. [17:57:16] <trovster> Which is a god send, really.
  250. [17:57:17] <mfbot> [[xfolk-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=xfolk-fr&diff=0&oldid=13762 * ChristopheDucamp * (+61) sync'd
  251. [17:57:21] <mkaply> davecardwell: but what are you subscribing to? That's the part I'm having trouble with.
  252. [17:57:30] <mkaply> I'm not trying to be dense. I'm just not grasping something.
  253. [17:57:31] <trovster> The comments for that article.
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  255. [17:57:47] <trovster> You may wish to know when some one might reply to a comment you've made.
  256. [17:57:50] <trovster> I did it the other day.
  257. [17:57:53] <mkaply> But why is the hatom relevant in this context? Why wouldn't you subscribe to the comment feed.
  258. [17:58:03] <mfbot> [[Template:xfolk-related-pages-fr]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/Template:xfolk-related-pages-fr * ChristopheDucamp * (+165) [fr:création gabarit]
  259. [17:58:06] <davecardwell> in this case you wouldn't need to provide a comment feed
  260. [17:58:15] <davecardwell> which would be redundant with hatom
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  263. [17:59:11] <mkaply> So you are picturing this "autoconversion" of hatom to atom feed to dynamically create a feed where there wasn't one
  264. [17:59:51] <briansuda> or to create TYPES of feed the author doesn't supply
  265. [18:00:14] <briansuda> they might supply RSS 1 or RSS 2, but Atom, you can build that
  266. [18:00:25] <trovster> It's to stop duplicates. No need to generate the RSS/Atom, if you use hAtom, as it can be generated
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  269. [18:02:51] <mkaply> I guess the trick for me is what you would feed to an atom reader. So I'm on a page with hatom. Let's say I have a converter built in to Operator.
  270. [18:03:06] <mkaply> So with operator, I say "subscribe to this hatom feed"
  271. [18:03:37] <mkaply> so operator internally converts to some sort of URL (A data URL perhaps) and then passes this to Sage for instance?
  272. [18:03:51] <mkaply> IT can't give it to an external site like feedburner because it only exists in the browser.
  273. [18:04:25] <mkaply> and then internally, when you check for updates, it's calling an internal operator call to hit the page to get updates and then reconvert to a feed?
  274. [18:04:34] <mfbot> [[xfolk-brainstorming-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=xfolk-brainstorming-fr&diff=0&oldid=13763 * ChristopheDucamp * (+63)
  275. [18:04:37] <trovster> It should give you a unique URL.
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  277. [18:04:55] <trovster> Not sure how operator works, but there are conversion websites out there
  278. [18:04:58] <mkaply> but that URL can't exist outside the browser unless there is a permanent hatom2atom service
  279. [18:05:14] <trovster> http://tools.microformatic.com/help/xhtml/hatom/ for example.
  280. [18:05:19] <briansuda> there is one, and technorati will be hosting another
  281. [18:06:00] <briansuda> the other thing, is that when you structure the mark-up it allows for sites like IceRocket and Technorati to better index your posts because it doesn't have to use heuristics to figure out what the pub date is, etc
  282. [18:06:44] <mfbot> [[xfolk-faq-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=xfolk-faq-fr&diff=0&oldid=13764 * ChristopheDucamp * (+5) sync'd
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  284. [18:09:00] <mkaply> OK, so the easiest option I could provide now is a subscribe as atom or rss option, and use http://tools.microformatic.com/help/xhtml/hatom/ for instance to generate the URL to pass to the RSS reader
  285. [18:09:25] <briansuda> that is certainly one option yes
  286. [18:09:36] <mkaply> hAtom is tricky though because it basically amounts to two microformats with unique actions - hfeed and hentrys
  287. [18:10:47] <briansuda> how is that different than things like hCard with a GEO inside?
  288. [18:11:51] <mkaply> because the geo is a unique microformat in and of itself.
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  290. [18:12:03] <mkaply> I'm considering representing hatom as two microformats internally
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  292. [18:12:12] <mkaply> so that you can have separate actions for the feed and the entry
  293. [18:12:51] <mkaply> I'm not even sure I understand why the hfeed part exists since most sites don't even use it
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  295. [18:15:21] <trovster> hfeed is required, isn't it, yet hatom is inferred?
  296. [18:15:50] <trovster> If you have multiple hfeeds, you can specify which you're converting by using a unique identifier on the same element
  297. [18:16:25] <mfbot> [[xfolk-issues-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=xfolk-issues-fr&diff=0&oldid=13765 * ChristopheDucamp * (+1281)
  298. [18:16:35] <mkaply> hfeed is not required
  299. [18:16:48] <mkaply> you infer an hatom if there are hentrys
  300. [18:17:21] <mkaply> which makes parsing this microformat even more painful. I've had to add lots of custom code to operator for hatom because it is so different from the other microformats
  301. [18:17:21] <mfbot> [[xfolk-profile-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=xfolk-profile-fr&diff=0&oldid=13766 * ChristopheDucamp * (+59)
  302. [18:17:28] <mkaply> even hreview was easier
  303. [18:18:05] * danja wonders absently if hAtom has a profile URI
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  308. [18:30:14] <mkaply> I think I am going to end up having hAtom (feed) and hAtom (entry) as separate items in operator, and you can define actions for either. Having hfeeds with nested hentries is really painful, and most of what I've found is one hfeed per page.
  309. [18:30:24] <mkaply> Plus the existing tools for hatom2atom take pages, not individual feeds
  310. [18:30:52] <trovster> Nope, I know one which takes IDS
  311. [18:31:06] <trovster> And is something I'll need on my new blog, for comments, latest articles, latest comments etc
  312. [18:31:33] <trovster> Well, I have used one, can't remember which it is.
  313. [18:31:43] <mkaply> trovster: so you are going to have multiple hfeeds on one page?
  314. [18:31:48] <mkaply> Any examples yet?
  315. [18:31:50] <trovster> Yes.
  316. [18:31:52] <trovster> erm.
  317. [18:32:07] <mkaply> The problem is, looking at something like planetmicroformats, you end up with 99 items in a submenu
  318. [18:32:10] <mkaply> It's really not manageable
  319. [18:32:55] <trovster> I can PM an example, but it's not finished code and private
  320. [18:33:00] * mkaply is starting to think a sidebar is a really good idea
  321. [18:33:04] <mkaply> trovster: that would be great
  322. [18:33:26] * mkaply is starting to feel very limited by his UI
  323. [18:37:28] <mkaply> the lack of a title/description/summary on hfeed was a huge oversight as far as I'm considered. There is no good way to present multiple hfeeds on one page to a user
  324. [18:38:16] <trovster> hfeed-title would be nice, yes.
  325. [18:38:22] <trovster> It just takes the <title> dosn't it?
  326. [18:39:20] <trovster> Does the pm work?
  327. [18:39:29] <mkaply> well, I use the page title if there is only one feed. But If there are multiple feeds, there's not much I can do
  328. [18:40:10] * briansuda notes that hatom is 0.1 there is room for improvement based on real-world finding...
  329. [18:40:31] <briansuda> if there is something common you have found, then it can be documented and added into a 0.2
  330. [18:40:43] <trovster> Maybe propose hfeed-title
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  332. [18:41:01] <trovster> hfeed-title, hfeed-summary if you wish, too and hfeed-content
  333. [18:41:10] <briansuda> well, don't just propose things out of thin air!
  334. [18:41:16] * danja proposes profile URI
  335. [18:41:25] <trovster> It's not thin air, I'm not using wifi
  336. [18:42:20] <mkaply> IT's mainly hfeed-title.
  337. [18:42:26] <mkaply> And I would want hfeed to be mandatory
  338. [18:43:10] <briansuda> i'd say most blogs has the their title on every page, you could easily document that and see if it maps to an Atom entry as well.
  339. [18:43:20] <briansuda> the Author is David Janes, BlogMatrix, Inc.
  340. [18:43:32] <briansuda> he is quite frequent to the mailing list
  341. [18:44:19] <danja> wouldn't mandatory hfeed rule out a lot of valid atom doc mappings?
  342. [18:44:53] <mkaply> why would you have hentry on a page if you couldn't have hfeed?
  343. [18:46:02] <danja> entries can stand alone
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  346. [18:46:26] <mfbot> [[hatom-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hatom-issues&diff=0&oldid=13768 * MikeKaply * (+224) Feed <i>title</i> (atom:<i>title</i>) -
  347. [18:46:29] <mkaply> then entry should be it
  348. [18:46:33] <mkaply> then entry should be its own microformat
  349. [18:46:41] <mkaply> it shouldn't be put together as hatom
  350. [18:47:05] <mkaply> That's my problem here. hatom is basically two microformats combined
  351. [18:47:17] <mkaply> a microformat for describing an entry and a microformat for describing a feed.
  352. [18:47:42] <briansuda> i don't think anyone as gotten as far as you have with this format, you are in a unique position and perspective
  353. [18:47:54] <briansuda> next week you'll be at SXSW correct?
  354. [18:48:29] <danja> ok, I can see that pov, but I don't understand how making it 2 separate microformats would make things any easier
  355. [18:48:40] <mkaply> briansuda: yes. Not sure what I''ll be doing besides the panel
  356. [18:49:18] <mkaply> danja: think about it like hcalendar
  357. [18:49:29] <briansuda> mkaply, i think there you'll get more face-time and you might be able to get some of these issues cleared-up quickly inperson with some other folks
  358. [18:50:10] <mkaply> danja: vevent stands separate from vcalendar.
  359. [18:50:51] <mkaply> It would seem that on the web, most people are using the hentry, not necessarily hfeed.
  360. [18:51:06] <mkaply> So what hAtom really ends up describing is a way to tag the entries, not really a way to tag the feed
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  362. [18:52:18] <mkaply> Obviously I have a different viewpoint on this, because I focus more on a user action that relates to the microformat, not a server action which is useful in other cases
  363. [18:53:11] <danja> ok, I see the hCalendar similarity
  364. [18:53:23] <danja> vcalendar "...It is optional since the context of a vcalendar is implied when a vevent is encountered"
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  366. [18:53:47] <danja> although it can "wrap sets of vevents that all belong to the same calendar"
  367. [18:53:59] <danja> sounds very close to the hAtom case
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  371. [18:57:34] <mkaply> danja: and the fact that the hfeed doesn't have a mandatory title, and even the tag isn't mandatory, means that it provides absolutely nothing to the hAtom spec
  372. [18:57:40] <mkaply> it only acts as a container
  373. [18:58:23] <mkaply> all the intersting stuff in hentry (although I'm still trying to figure out if author can be on the hfeed instead of the hentry)
  374. [19:02:04] <danja> hmm. I've not been following hAtom, sounds like it's drifted away from Atom's model
  375. [19:04:04] <mkaply> Incidentally, is rel="bookmark" a real microformat?
  376. [19:04:08] <mkaply> it's not on the cheatsheet
  377. [19:04:16] <briansuda> it is part of HTML4
  378. [19:04:39] <mkaply> ok
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  404. [20:08:38] <mfbot> [[hatom-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hatom-issues&diff=0&oldid=13771 * AndyMabbett * (+0) Feed <i>title</i> (atom:<i>title</i>) - Refute claim to be time-traveller ;-)
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  423. [22:02:58] <vbgunz> forgive me if this was covered and I missed it or simply forgot it. what is a "tag-space"?
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  425. [22:04:05] <snockered> 'ello
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  428. [22:05:47] <vbgunz> hello
  429. [22:05:53] <Phae> the tag space is like, the definition URL
  430. [22:06:18] <Phae> what goes in the href, basically
  431. [22:06:24] <vbgunz> Phae: I got that vague idea, I need to look into it's application
  432. [22:06:34] <Phae> for adding context to a page, mostly
  433. [22:06:41] <Phae> extra context, that is
  434. [22:06:44] <vbgunz> I am reading the ml and keep hearing it
  435. [22:06:52] <Phae> yea
  436. [22:07:33] <snockered> just heard about this microformat stuff, pretty interesting concept you folks have here
  437. [22:07:48] <Phae> welcome in that case :)
  438. [22:09:07] <snockered> i noticed in wordpress that blogrolls have that xfn option so i wanted to see exactly what that was
  439. [22:09:19] <Phae> ah, cool.
  440. [22:09:29] <Phae> yeah, XFN is a good example of a nice, simple, microformat
  441. [22:09:34] * snockered nods
  442. [22:09:49] <snockered> i like it plenty, though since i'm "new" to blogging, i have no one really to relate to, hah
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  444. [22:10:48] <Phae> if you're blogging, you probably use tags too?
  445. [22:10:56] <Phae> that's another super simple mf.
  446. [22:11:05] <Phae> @rel-tag
  447. [22:11:10] <snockered> Ah yeah, that "rel-tag" thing?
  448. [22:11:12] * snockered nods.
  449. [22:11:14] <Phae> :)
  450. [22:13:17] <snockered> what role are you in the grand scheme of things?
  451. [22:13:27] <Phae> role? general busy-body
  452. [22:13:41] <Phae> I do help out with administering the wiki and mailing list though
  453. [22:13:47] <snockered> ah lovely
  454. [22:13:53] <Phae> There's no other schema especially
  455. [22:14:41] <Phae> Did you mean out side of mf's though? If you did, I'm just a front-end web developer.
  456. [22:14:55] <snockered> oh, i was curious about both :)
  457. [22:14:58] <Phae> :)
  458. [22:15:13] <snockered> i'm a front-end'er myself
  459. [22:15:18] <Phae> Good place to be!
  460. [22:15:45] <snockered> definitely, i've never been able to wrap my head around all that backend nonsense. leave me to the stylesheets and semantics i say
  461. [22:16:11] <Phae> I just like pretty things. And yeah, I'm into mark-up, so that's why microformats fit in so well.
  462. [22:16:24] <snockered> lovely
  463. [22:16:53] <snockered> and i agree on the pretty things, aesthetics should be taught to all web designers
  464. [22:16:59] <Phae> heh
  465. [22:18:08] <snockered> philosophy, color theory, art history, and architecture can enhance any designers eye/mind
  466. [22:18:23] <Phae> sure
  467. [22:19:41] <snockered> i have to admit, i love the microformat logo, it's currently my wallpaper of choice ;)
  468. [22:20:08] <Phae> it's cool. not so good for print with all the gradiets, but strong.
  469. [22:20:29] <Phae> gradients*
  470. [22:20:58] <snockered> whom designed that?
  471. [22:21:02] * snockered nods
  472. [22:21:09] <Phae> Dan Cederholm
  473. [22:21:14] <Phae> I think.
  474. [22:21:19] <Phae> simplebits
  475. [22:21:45] <snockered> i've been a fan of his for a long while
  476. [22:23:52] <snockered> one of these days i need to invest in the adobe suite and up my design chops
  477. [22:24:04] <snockered> right now all i'm good for is a semantic web page and a clean layout
  478. [22:24:06] * snockered chuckles
  479. [22:24:13] <Phae> not such a terrible thing
  480. [22:24:37] <snockered> the suite?
  481. [22:24:51] <Phae> No, being good for a clean, semantic, site.
  482. [22:25:53] <snockered> ah right right, i just get bored of my own pages being so drab and box-like
  483. [22:26:50] <snockered> i simply adore veerle's site
  484. [22:26:51] <snockered> http://veerle.duoh.com/
  485. [22:27:04] <Phae> Yea, I know it.
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  488. [22:28:15] <Phae> brb
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  490. [22:37:43] <snockered> sure thing Phae
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  499. [23:02:51] <KevinMarks> who wrote up a good essay on iCalendar recurrence recently? I remember reading it but not where
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  515. [23:33:08] <mfbot> [[hcard-issues]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-issues&diff=0&oldid=13773 * Tantek * (-1146) Reverted edit of JamesCraig, changed back to last version by Tantek
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  517. [23:35:09] <mfbot> [[hcard-issues]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-issues&diff=0&oldid=13774 * Tantek * (+150) previous revert of resubmission was because it was a duplicate of the issue which was "REJECTED. TOO LITTLE INFORMATION." added notes about follow-up rather than resubmit & duplicates will be reverted
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  522. [23:51:25] <mfbot> [[governance]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=governance&diff=0&oldid=13775 * DrErnie * (+102) new page
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  524. [23:56:56] <mfbot> [[governance]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=governance&diff=0&oldid=13776 * DrErnie * (-1) issues link
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