IRC Log for #microformats on 2007-02-27

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  1. [00:01:07] <mfbot> [[governance-issues]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/governance-issues * DrErnie * (+2448) new page
  2. [00:02:33] <mfbot> [[governance-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=governance-issues&diff=0&oldid=13777 * DrErnie * (-85)
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  4. [00:10:33] <mfbot> [[governance-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=governance-issues&diff=0&oldid=13778 * DrErnie * (+68) == Resources ==
  5. [00:11:34] <mfbot> [[User:DrErnie]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/User:DrErnie * DrErnie * (+66)
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  32. [02:29:37] <mfbot> [[hresume]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hresume&diff=0&oldid=13779 * DawnWaswick * (+97)
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  45. [03:45:09] <mfbot> [[hcard-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-issues&diff=0&oldid=13780 * JamesCraig * (+383) Reopening one and leaving one other rejected, but clarifying issues that were lost in translation when Tantek moved the original text here. These issues are separate from the accessibility issue.
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  52. [04:56:11] <mfbot> [[history-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=history-examples&diff=0&oldid=13781 * JeremyBoggs * (+103) Map Sites -
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  59. [06:19:28] <mfbot> [[hresume]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hresume&diff=0&oldid=13782 * ChadL * (+104)
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  64. [06:25:29] <mfbot> [[User:ChadL]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User:ChadL&diff=0&oldid=13783 * ChadL * (+256)
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  130. [13:52:38] <mfbot> [[hproduct-feedback]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/hproduct-feedback * Etoastw * (+89)
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  145. [14:45:40] <mfbot> [[media-info-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=media-info-examples&diff=0&oldid=13784 * Mokele * (+385) Service Publishing of Music -
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  149. [15:01:53] <wiWMS> hi all
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  160. [16:08:46] <mfbot> [[adr-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=adr-examples&diff=0&oldid=13785 * Tantek * (+2077) use wiki markup for headings, add numerous warnings and references about use of <address> element
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  165. [16:44:25] <mfbot> [[hatom-issues-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hatom-issues-fr&diff=0&oldid=13786 * ChristopheDucamp * (+928) à synchroniser et traduire
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  168. [16:51:56] <mfbot> [[hatom-issues-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hatom-issues-fr&diff=0&oldid=13787 * ChristopheDucamp * (+601)
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  170. [17:04:11] <mfbot> [[adr-examples-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=adr-examples-fr&diff=0&oldid=13788 * ChristopheDucamp * (+523) à synchroniser
  171. [17:04:52] <mfbot> [[adr-examples-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=adr-examples-fr&diff=0&oldid=13789 * ChristopheDucamp * (+25)
  172. [17:06:28] <mfbot> [[hatom-issues-fr]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hatom-issues-fr&diff=0&oldid=13790 * MikeKaply * (+1) Feed <i>title</i> (atom:<i>title</i>) -
  173. [17:07:09] <mfbot> [[adr-examples-fr]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=adr-examples-fr&diff=0&oldid=13791 * ChristopheDucamp * (+2560) [fr: added "utilisation de l'élément address" -> to be translated]
  174. [17:07:27] <mkaply> why did major parts of the hAtom FAQ just get switched to french?
  175. [17:07:54] <mkaply> s/faq/issues
  176. [17:08:09] <briansuda> not switched, but translated
  177. [17:09:10] <mkaply> briansuda: In the history, it shows the english replaced by the french.
  178. [17:09:35] * mkaply is blind
  179. [17:09:36] <mkaply> never mind
  180. [17:09:40] <mkaply> I didn't know there was an fr version
  181. [17:09:46] <mkaply> So if we add comments, do we add them to both?
  182. [17:10:05] <mkaply> Or does magic happen
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  184. [17:11:37] <briansuda> magic!
  185. [17:13:49] * mkaply like magic
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  235. [18:43:15] <mfbot> [[hresume-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hresume-fr&diff=0&oldid=13793 * ChristopheDucamp * (+202)
  236. [18:50:20] <mfbot> [[hatom-issues-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hatom-issues-fr&diff=0&oldid=13794 * ChristopheDucamp * (+94)
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  243. [19:00:47] <mfbot> [[species-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-examples&diff=0&oldid=13796 * AndyMabbett * (+169) Quantitative evidence - Fishbase - another quarter of a million
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  254. [19:27:17] <jibot> bewest is Ben West and lives in San Francisco, CA. He daydreams about web style software, works at Alexa.com and blogs at http://bewest.wordpress.com/
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  258. [19:28:32] <jibot> briansuda is brian suda of http://suda.co.uk and is at (-0000 GMT) and is author of "Using Microformats" for O'Reilly [http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/microformats/]
  259. [19:35:23] <mkaply> bewest: your hcard on your blog is showing as invalid - no fn
  260. [19:36:31] <bewest> hmmm
  261. [19:36:34] <bewest> looking for it
  262. [19:37:02] <bewest> oh
  263. [19:37:02] <bewest> wow
  264. [19:37:07] <bewest> wordpress stripped it out
  265. [19:38:55] <bewest> weird
  266. [19:38:58] <bewest> didn't strip it out justn ow
  267. [19:39:02] <bewest> maybe I forgot
  268. [19:39:08] <bewest> hard to believe
  269. [19:39:21] <bewest> the example code is correct
  270. [19:39:56] <mkaply> all better now
  271. [19:40:20] <bewest> yeah, fixed
  272. [19:40:21] <bewest> weird
  273. [19:40:34] <bewest> thanks for catching that
  274. [19:40:38] <bewest> I swear I put fn in there
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  299. [20:39:14] <jibot> DanC is Dan Connolly http://www.w3.org/People/Connolly/
  300. [20:40:49] <DanC> so anyway... I have thrown my hat in the ring to co-chair the new HTML WG, with Chris Wilson. I'm afraid I am totally, certifiably insane for doing so.
  301. [20:41:55] <DanC> hmm... that came out a little funny... working with Chris Wilson looks like fun. But trying to get consensus in the HTML community in a relevant amount of time is another thing.
  302. [20:43:27] <briansuda> excellent, that's great news
  303. [20:44:12] <DanC> yeah... well... is it really, though?
  304. [20:44:39] <DanC> we won't know for a year, and then it'll be too late to fix it if it's broke.
  305. [20:45:00] <briansuda> well, that's life i guess
  306. [20:45:09] <DanC> I feel like I just put a zillion dollars on a spin of the roulette wheel
  307. [20:45:22] <briansuda> i think alot of the changes are to bring things inline with current practices (or am i wrong)
  308. [20:45:40] <DanC> yeah, but *which* current practice?
  309. [20:46:09] <briansuda> i'm sure you are going to hear plenty about what practices each interested party wants supported
  310. [20:46:20] <DanC> the HTML5 tree-construction stuff is a heroic effort, but IE sometimes makes a lattice, not a tree.
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  312. [20:46:49] <jibot> danja is Danny Ayers, http://dannyayers.com
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  316. [20:53:52] <bewest> DanC: neat
  317. [20:56:52] <bewest> DanC: will the group co-ordinate with WHATWG or will it be a totally independent effort?
  318. [20:57:21] <DanC> we'll coordinate. somehow.
  319. [20:58:05] <DanC> that is: WHATWG has said they want to coordinate with W3C, and W3C wants to coordinate with WHATWG. What that means in practice remains to be seen.
  320. [20:58:51] <bewest> ah
  321. [20:59:10] <bewest> nice
  322. [20:59:17] <bewest> daunting
  323. [20:59:25] <DanC> flargin frightening
  324. [21:00:46] <bewest> is there a web page for the group yet? I have some questions but don't want to waste time with inane musings'
  325. [21:01:44] <DanC> no, it's not started yet
  326. [21:02:44] <KevinMarks> some HTML advocacy from me: http://epeus.blogspot.com/2007/02/misunderstanding-innovators-dilemma.html
  327. [21:04:32] <DanC> "They do not use its advanced features" hmm... I dunno; I gather the revision support in Word powers a lot of collaboration.
  328. [21:06:03] <KevinMarks> that would fall into the power users camp (like I used to be) - they are the primary target for the incremental innovation
  329. [21:06:34] <DanC> true, one generation and they can be all gone
  330. [21:06:41] * DanC wonders how long email will survive
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  332. [21:12:26] <Hixie> hey danc
  333. [21:12:58] <DanC> hi Hixie
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  335. [21:13:11] <jibot> Kilianvalkhof is Kilian Valkhof, he makes websites and blogs at http://kilianvalkhof.com
  336. [21:14:08] <Hixie> DanC: any idea if the whatwg-w3c collaboration will involve allowing the whatwg community to directly take part in the w3c work?
  337. [21:14:13] <mfbot> [[rel-tag-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=rel-tag-fr&diff=0&oldid=13799 * ChristopheDucamp * (+1) Les Tags Sont des Métadonnées Visibles -
  338. [21:14:47] <Hixie> (or the microformats community, or any other interested member of the wider html community, for that matter)
  339. [21:14:48] <DanC> yes, at least I'm looking into that...
  340. [21:14:52] <Hixie> cool
  341. [21:15:16] <DanC> it looks like anybody who's willing to fill out an "I'll license any patents I have royalty free" form can subscribe
  342. [21:15:59] <DanC> technically, it goes thru the invited expert process. but the bar for expert in this case will be: you found the group homepage.
  343. [21:16:05] <Hixie> nice
  344. [21:16:14] <Hixie> that would be great
  345. [21:16:33] <DanC> yes, let's hope it goes great.
  346. [21:16:43] <Hixie> i imagine we'll have several dozen people from the whatwg community eager to take part
  347. [21:17:16] <DanC> several dozen is a comfortable number. www-html has ~500 subscribers. that number makes me nervous.
  348. [21:17:35] <Hixie> whatwg has about 600 today, but they're not all active
  349. [21:17:45] <DanC> right
  350. [21:18:23] <Hixie> another question i had was did you have any opinions on what we should do with the feedback collected so far? As part of the WHATWG work I've been collecting feedback which I'm going to personally reply to as part of the WHATWG side of things, but if the w3c takes the current html5 work as a base, then presumably i should forward the feedback with it
  351. [21:18:38] <Hixie> there's somewhere on the order of a thousand e-mails or so
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  353. [21:19:24] <DanC> I'd rather do some sort of garbage-collect, a la "thanks for your input; if you really care, please send it again"
  354. [21:19:33] <Hixie> ok
  355. [21:19:36] <Hixie> well i need to reply to it all
  356. [21:19:38] <Hixie> i promised
  357. [21:19:44] <DanC> since the policy implications of doing otherwise are duanting
  358. [21:19:58] <Hixie> k
  359. [21:20:10] <Hixie> i'll just pretend they're my feedback when talking to the w3c side then
  360. [21:20:17] <DanC> sure
  361. [21:20:26] * bewest is subscribed just to learn more about standards methodology and whatnot
  362. [21:20:28] <Hixie> i'm very curious to see how this turns out
  363. [21:20:52] <DanC> yeah. me too.
  364. [21:21:12] <DanC> it's kinda scary, but there seems to be a critical mass of "well, let's all try to work together" energy.
  365. [21:22:06] <Hixie> have you seen a draft charter? i'm curious to see what basic process we'll take, if it'll be a CSS-like consensus-driven "everything must be agreed by vote" model, or a WAF/XBL2-like model where edits are made to the spec in response to feedback and only if people disagree does the group need to discuss it
  366. [21:22:08] <DanC> I've been noodling on how to start collecting test materials.
  367. [21:22:27] <DanC> "only if people disagree does the group need to discuss it" is the way I chair WGs
  368. [21:22:34] <Hixie> cool
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  370. [21:22:41] * DanC just edited the charter to say that explicitly, in fact
  371. [21:22:50] <Hixie> probably the only way to go through something of this magnitude, so that's good
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  373. [21:23:18] <DanC> does the CSS WG really vote all the time? ew.
  374. [21:23:26] <Hixie> i'd heard that chris had been saying that was an unworkable model because "what is john boyer is the editor, would you agree with everything he wrote?" but i didn't understand that argument
  375. [21:23:36] <Hixie> DanC: well, for 2.1, any change to the spec has to have agreement
  376. [21:24:05] <DanC> well, every change to the HTML5 spec has to have agreement too, no? you just optimize for the case where people agree with the editor.
  377. [21:24:20] <Hixie> in the whatwg, you mena?
  378. [21:24:22] <DanC> yes
  379. [21:24:42] <Hixie> well, a lot of the thousands of e-mails are people disagreeing that i haven't yet addressed :-)
  380. [21:24:58] <Hixie> you can never have a spec with a community of this magnitude that everyone agrees with
  381. [21:25:16] <DanC> in the GRDDL WG, the issues list has about a dozen items on it. So there have been a dozen somewhat formal WG decisions. in about 9 monhts.
  382. [21:25:22] <Hixie> the key so far as been to avoid compromises, since they tend to do more to compromise the spec quality than to make people happy
  383. [21:25:27] <Hixie> cool
  384. [21:25:42] <DanC> the GRDDL spec is tiny, compared to HTML, though.
  385. [21:26:05] <DanC> I'm inclined to just start building test materials...
  386. [21:26:17] <Hixie> what would you test?
  387. [21:26:48] <DanC> the html5lib tree construction tests are the things I've studied the most closely
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  389. [21:27:07] <DanC> on the other end of the spectrum are things like webkit's "does it render like this?" tests
  390. [21:27:44] <DanC> you can also test things like "what does this hunk of javascript compute, given this document as input?"
  391. [21:28:17] <DanC> I like trying to capture issues with tests.
  392. [21:28:19] <Hixie> oh well there's tons of those tests (e.g. hixie.ch/tests), but many of them have either nothing to do with HTML, or don't match what the spec might end up saying
  393. [21:28:41] <bewest> so will most of the reflective methodology be centered around how popular user agents currently process things?
  394. [21:29:02] <Hixie> bewest: the HTML effort is two-fold
  395. [21:29:12] * DanC realizes we're kinda off-topic, but presses on until something more on-topic comes along...
  396. [21:29:12] <bewest> will there be more compositional studies similar to the authoring report you previously produced?
  397. [21:29:23] <Hixie> bewest: there's the issue of speccing what HTML4 left vague
  398. [21:29:29] <Hixie> bewest: and the issue of speccing new features
  399. [21:29:35] <bewest> ah
  400. [21:29:39] <Hixie> bewest: they require different methodologies
  401. [21:29:46] <Hixie> DanC: we can move to #whatwg if you want
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  403. [21:30:30] <DanC> or I might wander off to lunch. getting rumbly in the tumbly
  404. [21:30:49] <Hixie> later :-)
  405. [21:30:57] <DanC> "reflective methodology" ... do I want to know what that is?
  406. [21:31:29] <bewest> Hixie: ah, so does do the methodologies fall along those lines: document current processing behaviour -> clarify vaguaries : authoring reports -> new features? or is it different?
  407. [21:31:59] <bewest> DanC: iterative techniques responding to the current state of affairs
  408. [21:32:10] <Hixie> http://blog.whatwg.org/whatwgs-development-model
  409. [21:32:19] <bewest> reflecting on what is rather than predicting what will be
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  411. [21:32:36] <jibot> mlinksva is Mike Linksvayer and from Creative Commons
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  413. [21:38:17] <bewest> DanC: have you ever tried using literate programming techniques to aid publishing test cases and specifications from development sources?
  414. [21:39:38] <DanC> yes. I love the python doctest module
  415. [21:40:05] <DanC> but I have also had my share of bad experiences with literate programming
  416. [21:40:42] <DanC> tests+docs+code = software engineering
  417. [21:41:27] <DanC> and docs should aim toward zero training
  418. [21:42:52] <DanC> ok, now I'm totally off topic. to lunch...
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  425. [21:56:55] <wiWMS> can someone help me with the hCard on my Demo Testpage http://modelagentur-owl.de.vorschau.server10.top-hoster.de/wehmeier/index.html ?
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  430. [22:07:47] <wiWMS> nobody?
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  435. [22:12:32] <bewest> wiWMS: looks good to me
  436. [22:12:42] <bewest> only thing required is a name
  437. [22:13:25] <wiWMS> thanks... but i wanna make the phone Number for privat AND for buisiness... It's possible?
  438. [22:15:48] <bewest> wiWMS: yes http://modelagentur-owl.de.vorschau.server10.top-hoster.de/wehmeier/index.html
  439. [22:15:50] <bewest> oops
  440. [22:15:54] <bewest> http://modelagentur-owl.de.vorschau.server10.top-hoster.de/wehmeier/index.html
  441. [22:15:56] <bewest> doh
  442. [22:15:58] <bewest> wrong buffer
  443. [22:16:08] <bewest> http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard#Property_Notes
  444. [22:16:10] <bewest> there we go
  445. [22:16:15] <bewest> you can have multiple values for type
  446. [22:16:35] <wiWMS> with comma or without... I read both ;o)
  447. [22:16:41] <mfbot> [[hcard]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard&diff=0&oldid=13800 * Tantek * (+301) add X.520 informative reference
  448. [22:16:56] <bewest> no, no comma
  449. [22:17:04] <bewest> I mean comma doesn't matter
  450. [22:18:05] <bewest> what matters is something like <ul><li class="type">work</li><li class="type">pref</li></ul>
  451. [22:18:11] <bewest> work and pref, I think is what you want
  452. [22:18:39] <wiWMS> okay... but than their is a problem when i translate it in other languages or Isn't it?
  453. [22:19:10] <wiWMS> mom
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  455. [22:20:51] <bewest> I think there's a faq entry on that
  456. [22:21:27] <bewest> I don't think types are translatable
  457. [22:22:14] <wiWMS> but I have to hidden the values from the screenreader
  458. [22:22:34] <wiWMS> I write <p class="wmsClassContactMobile"><span class="wmsClassListSource">Mobil<span class="wmsClassSecret">nummer</span>:</span> <span class="wmsClassListValue">+49 (0) 171 - 91 89 809</span></p>
  459. [22:22:49] <wiWMS> where I have to but the type?
  460. [22:22:53] <bewest> http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard#Property_Notes
  461. [22:23:00] <bewest> wrong buffer again
  462. [22:23:03] <bewest> http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-faq#How_do_you_create_non_English_tooltips
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  464. [22:23:22] <jibot> iand is Ian Davis who blogs at http://iandavis.com/blog
  465. [22:29:36] <wiWMS> help: I write <p class="tel"><abbr class="type" title="cell">Mobil<span class="wmsClassSecret">nummer</span>:</span> <span class="wmsClassListValue">+49 (0) 171 - 91 89 809</span></abbr></p> but when I export it with Operator when is the value "Text + No."
  466. [22:31:52] <mkaply> wiMS: You need to put the phone number in a value
  467. [22:32:15] <mkaply> <span class="wmsClassListValue value">+49 (0) 171 - 91 89 809</span>
  468. [22:32:28] <mkaply> Otherwise the telephone number is the entire contents of the tel
  469. [22:32:39] <mkaply> If you have type, you have to have value.
  470. [22:33:16] <wiWMS> mom
  471. [22:38:35] <wiWMS> okay... it works... but now I want to type my address
  472. [22:38:37] <wiWMS> <ul class="adr">
  473. [22:38:38] <wiWMS> <li><span class="street-address">Wilhelmstr. 14</span></li>
  474. [22:38:40] <wiWMS> <li><span class="postal-code">32545</span> <a href="http://www.badoeynhausen.de/" class="cityguide"><span class="locality">Bad Oeynhausen</span></a></li>
  475. [22:38:42] <wiWMS> <li class="wmsClassSecret"><span class="region">Nordrhein-Westfalen</span></li>
  476. [22:38:43] <wiWMS> <li><span class="country-name">Deutschland</span></li>
  477. [22:38:44] <wiWMS> </ul>
  478. [22:38:46] <wiWMS> It is my home and work, but where I have to put the types in? in ul or in each li ?
  479. [22:39:02] <mkaply> type type is associated with the adr
  480. [22:39:15] <mkaply> and there should be only one
  481. [22:40:05] <mkaply> so I would probably do <li><abbr class="type" title="home">Haus</abbr>
  482. [22:44:07] <wiWMS> okay i try... mom
  483. [22:44:14] <sreynen> mkaply, i was just reading yesterday's IRC. if you're looking for something to do with hentry in operator, you could republish it to anything that supports the atom API
  484. [22:44:25] <wiWMS> but when I want to get both?
  485. [22:46:30] <mfbot> [[hcalendar-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=13801 * Tantek * (+409) hCard attendees -
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  487. [22:48:42] <mkaply> sreynen: you mean the atom publishing protocol?
  488. [22:48:54] <sreynen> no, the atom API
  489. [22:48:59] <sreynen> the other half of atom
  490. [22:49:10] <sreynen> the APP is analogous to RSS
  491. [22:49:38] <sreynen> the atom API is analogous to the blogger API
  492. [22:50:01] <mkaply> so when you see an hentry, it's easy for you to post it o your blog for instance
  493. [22:50:07] <sreynen> yes
  494. [22:50:36] <sreynen> it's currently supported by blogger and typepad
  495. [22:50:44] <sreynen> and will be in wordpress 2.2
  496. [22:52:03] <mkaply> I'll have to think about that. So I'll have to generate XML and then send it along
  497. [22:52:22] <sreynen> yeah
  498. [22:52:35] <sreynen> but it should be a direct translation from hentry
  499. [22:53:16] <mkaply> The only tricky part I've found about XML services, is that their reponses are XML as well.
  500. [22:53:27] <mkaply> I like that when you add to delciious through operator, it takes you to the page for you to click OK
  501. [22:53:47] <mkaply> The delicious API actually posts it (it's intended to be used by a full blown app)
  502. [22:55:25] <mkaply> argh. It uses the auth stuff.
  503. [22:55:43] <mkaply> I really like how delicious/yahoo calendar/google calendar work in this area.
  504. [22:56:00] <mkaply> Use the URL to post. IF they aren't logged in, present the login, then take them to a page where they click ok
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