IRC Log for #microformats on 2007-02-28
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does anyone here know the people behind http://www.lakeparty.de/ ?
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dydimustk is writing at http://dydimustk.com/blog
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- [00:31:11] <jibot>
julianstahnke is Julian Stahnke and works for last.fm and implements microformats wherever he can
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dydimustk is writing at http://dydimustk.com/blog
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[[semantic-class-names]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=semantic-class-names&diff=0&oldid=13805 * Tantek * (+98) added Eric Meyer keep your classes clean reference
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- [04:09:52] <jibot>
mlinksva is Mike Linksvayer and from Creative Commons
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- [04:41:33] <mfbot>
[[buttons]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=buttons&diff=0&oldid=13806 * Kwilson * (+7) Microformats Logos -
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[[buttons]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=buttons&diff=0&oldid=13807 * Kwilson * (+7) Style 3 -
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bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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Atamido is Paul Bryson, http://orangeman.commo.de/
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- [07:42:05] <jibot>
iand is Ian Davis who blogs at http://iandavis.com/blog
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amette is http://amette.eu
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- [08:12:43] <jibot>
bengee is Benjamin Nowack (http://bnode.org/)
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- [08:21:36] <jibot>
bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and helps with www.multipack.co.uk
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- [10:13:04] <jibot>
iand is Ian Davis who blogs at http://iandavis.com/blog
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- [10:14:06] <jibot>
julianstahnke is Julian Stahnke and works for last.fm and implements microformats wherever he can
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davecardwell is Dave Cardwell of http://davecardwell.co.uk/. He designs webs and generally geeks about in York, England.
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briansuda is brian suda of http://suda.co.uk and is at (-0000 GMT) and is author of "Using Microformats" for O'Reilly [http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/microformats/]
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- [11:48:05] <mfbot>
[[cheatsheet]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=cheatsheet&diff=0&oldid=13808 * AndyMabbett * (+210) Related pages - (X)HTML cheatsheet
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[[cheatsheet]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=cheatsheet&diff=0&oldid=13809 * Brian * (-73) removed http://keryx.se/asp/html_elements_beta.pdf it returns a 404
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danja is Danny Ayers, http://dannyayers.com
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csarven is Sarven Capadisli and can be found online at http://www.csarven.ca
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briansuda is brian suda of http://suda.co.uk and is at (-0000 GMT) and is author of "Using Microformats" for O'Reilly [http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/microformats/]
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danja is Danny Ayers, http://dannyayers.com
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[[cheatsheet]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=cheatsheet&diff=0&oldid=13810 * AndyMabbett * (+74) fix URL
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bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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sreynen is Scott Reynen, who makes things at makedatamakesense.com
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mlinksva is Mike Linksvayer and from Creative Commons
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[[species-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-examples&diff=0&oldid=13811 * AndyMabbett * (+254) Quantitative evidence - species identification sheet - another 13,400
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im
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pnhChris is Chris Casciano, blogs at http://placenamehere.com/ , and a member of the Web Standards Project.
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[[species-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-examples&diff=0&oldid=13812 * AndyMabbett * (+567) Quantitative evidence - Zip Code Zoo - another 25 million...
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[[species-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-examples&diff=0&oldid=13813 * AndyMabbett * (+131) Quantitative evidence - Global Biodiversity Information Facility - add anoethr million +
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[[species-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-examples&diff=0&oldid=13814 * AndyMabbett * (+246) Quantitative evidence - more on GBIF
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[[species-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-examples&diff=0&oldid=13815 * AndyMabbett * (+298) Quantitative evidence - Add another 118 million (yes, 118 MILLION)
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[[species-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-examples&diff=0&oldid=13816 * AndyMabbett * (+231) Notable websites - United Nations
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[[Template:species]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Template:species&diff=0&oldid=13817 * AndyMabbett * (+97) clarify, for new readers
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?forgetme
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- [17:57:43] <HenrichP>
hello ... are there any participants of the "authoritative hcard" discussion from the mailinglist?
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mlinksva is Mike Linksvayer and from Creative Commons
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- [18:05:44] <HenrichP>
I was wondering that if there is a "stub hcard" (==a hcard not containing all the information) taht contains a URL to a more comprehensive hcard why this would still not be authoratative ...
- [18:06:15] <HenrichP>
... I mean if I put a stub of my hcard online, i would link it up directly to the authoritative one.
- [18:07:22] <HenrichP>
or is it a third party that could put the "first" stub somewhere ?
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- [18:23:34] <Atamido>
Bah, I think HenrichP had a valid question.
- [18:24:01] <Atamido>
Is there a way to embed a link into a microformat that indicates the location of more complete information?
- [18:24:25] <bewest>
yeah, I think there is a faq
- [18:24:59] <AGraf```>
i doubt that this is parsed by operator though?
- [18:25:43] <Atamido>
"Read more"
- [18:25:49] <Atamido>
Or "Find out more"
- [18:26:42] <bewest>
Atamido: you are talking about having more complete information on a /separate/ page, right?
- [18:26:46] <bewest>
at a different resource
- [18:26:56] <Atamido>
Either or.
- [18:26:58] <bewest>
I think the technique people have been using for that is to use rel="me"
- [18:27:11] <bewest>
if it's on the same page, use rel-include
- [18:27:30] <bewest>
I know people have been using a technique for this
- [18:27:33] <bewest>
but I don't see it documented
- [18:27:37] <kingryan>
bewest: rel='me' only works for first-party stuff
- [18:27:41] <bewest>
oh
- [18:27:42] <bewest>
right
- [18:27:44] <Atamido>
Yeah, I don't see it documented either.
- [18:27:57] <AGraf```>
it's not implemented yet as far as i know
- [18:28:11] <kingryan>
for hCard and hCalendar, I think think the answer should be URL+UID
- [18:28:15] <bewest>
oh ok
- [18:28:27] <bewest>
so there isn't convergence on a single technique for this yet
- [18:28:35] <bewest>
and in fact it's been subject of a hot debate recently
- [18:28:41] <AGraf```>
the include pattern comes closest but it's for one resource only... for multiple resources i think url+id is in the works
- [18:28:47] <AGraf```>
yeah as kingryan said...
- [18:29:12] <bewest>
kingryan: why not re-use semantics from rel="alternate"?
- [18:29:17] <kingryan>
yeah, bewest, there is no "single technique"– we need to explore the individual techniques already present in the formats first
- [18:29:31] <kingryan>
because vcard, et al already contain the semantics we need
- [18:29:36] <kingryan>
plus rel applies to whole pages
- [18:29:40] <bewest>
oops
- [18:29:41] <bewest>
right
- [18:29:43] <bewest>
shame on me
- [18:29:46] <kingryan>
(see sreynen's recent email)
- [18:30:13] <bewest>
oh is there finally a decent conversation on this?
- [18:30:19] <Atamido>
Is this documented anywhere in the wiki?
- [18:30:23] <kingryan>
no, just the rel thing
- [18:30:25] <kingryan>
not the uid thing
- [18:30:39] <bewest>
oh, and 5 more on SOURCE
- [18:30:46] <bewest>
Atamido: this is an issue being actively discussed
- [18:31:00] <bewest>
however, the discussion is relatively hard to follow :-(
- [18:31:03] <bewest>
what can we do to make it easier?
- [18:31:19] <kingryan>
hmm, I interpret html4 to specify that rel is whole documents, but it seems we have disagreement: http://microformats.org/wiki/rel-faq#Are_.22rel.22_attributes.2C_and_linktypes_in_general.2C_just_document_to_document.3F
- [18:31:46] <bewest>
kingryan: if we go down the path of scoping it to certain document fragments we're going to be in a world of hurt
- [18:31:56] <kingryan>
I agreee
- [18:32:04] <kingryan>
scoping is out of scope
- [18:32:05] <kingryan>
;)
- [18:32:11] <kingryan>
let whatwg worry about that
- [18:33:08] <bewest>
hmmm
- [18:33:21] <bewest>
kingryan: what about the good people currently trying to write parsers and search engines :/
- [18:33:29] <bewest>
anyway this is a separate issue
- [18:33:40] * bewest doesn't want to bring up rel-tag again right now
- [18:34:03] <kingryan>
I'm just saying that specifying a general way to scope relationship values to fragments of documents is out of scope for us
- [18:34:13] <Atamido>
There should be an existing-rel page like the existing classes page. http://microformats.org/wiki/existing-classes
- [18:34:26] <bewest>
Atamido: what would that help with?
- [18:34:59] <AGraf```>
[19:30:17] <@bewest> kingryan: what about the good people currently trying to write parsers and search engines :/
- [18:35:15] <AGraf```>
it's impossible to create a generic microformats parser anyway
- [18:35:27] <kingryan>
exactly AGraf```
- [18:35:39] <AGraf```>
so every time there is a new microformat or something changes, the parser will have to be rewritten or extended
- [18:35:43] <AGraf```>
this is not rdf
- [18:35:52] <bewest>
AGraf```: there have been discussions before about scoping of rel-tag. a parser needs to know to what part of the document the tag applies to
- [18:35:56] <bewest>
it's specific, not general
- [18:35:57] <Atamido>
bewest: To quickly identify valid existing relationships and their use.
- [18:36:02] <kingryan>
hmm, it appears that html5 leaves the relationship at the document level
- [18:36:09] <bewest>
kingryan: then so should we
- [18:36:12] <kingryan>
I wonder if Hixie has any other plans for that
- [18:36:41] <bewest>
otherwise you set up authors to concieve a mental model that is very different from the functional model
- [18:36:41] <AGraf```>
bewest: yes, but its subject to change anyway... the parser writers will have to consider that
- [18:36:51] <bewest>
AGraf```: yes, that's not the issue
- [18:36:59] <bewest>
changing a parser isn't the issue
- [18:37:08] <AGraf```>
i'm not getting the point then, i think
- [18:37:11] <AGraf```>
sorry...
- [18:37:16] <Atamido>
kingryan: It would be easier if there was a discussion page that outlined the competing standards.
- [18:37:21] <bewest>
knowing how to interpret what rel applies to is the issue
- [18:37:49] <bewest>
it's a bit ambiguous... and here I am bringing it up again :-(
- [18:38:00] <AGraf```>
oh i see, you mean... currently
- [18:38:29] <bewest>
yes... sometimes it applies to part of the page, sometimes to the whole page... it's very confusing
- [18:38:31] <AGraf```>
yeah i know it's ambigous... i think it applies to whole documents but others disagree apparently
- [18:39:43] <Atamido>
It isn't mentioned either way here: http://microformats.org/wiki/rel-design-pattern
- [18:39:46] <kingryan>
bewest: but when I applies to part of a page, you can also apply it to the entire page
- [18:39:48] <Atamido>
It probably should be.
- [18:42:16] <bewest>
kingryan: that's confusing for authors
- [18:42:50] <bewest>
kingryan: especially since the specs don't indicate that behaviour might happen
- [18:43:23] <kingryan>
lol, I guess we're back to that now :D
- [18:43:26] <bewest>
sorry
- [18:43:27] <bewest>
hehe
- [18:43:37] <bewest>
let's talk about hcard instead
- [18:43:46] <bewest>
it's simpler
- [18:44:31] <bewest>
so I think everyone is agreed that there should be some way to indicate the location of an alternate hcard which represents the same information, but in a more complete way
- [18:44:41] <bewest>
and that it should work for organizations and for individuals
- [18:45:02] <bewest>
kingryan: you've been calling these "related" hcards, correct?
- [18:45:21] <kingryan>
yes, somewhat incorrectly
- [18:45:28] <kingryan>
(see my email from a few minutes ago)
- [18:45:35] <AGraf```>
bewest: i don't think it should only represent a more complete information set
- [18:45:49] <kingryan>
I've been talking about a specific relationship, but not being entirely specifc about what the relationship is
- [18:45:50] <AGraf```>
it should also be possible to add more bits to the card from different resources
- [18:45:50] <bewest>
when others say "authoritative" hcard, is this the same thing?
- [18:46:02] <kingryan>
by "related hcards" I mean "hcards related in that they represent the same entity"
- [18:46:02] <bewest>
when people say "identity" they are talking about the something else, correct?
- [18:46:31] <kingryan>
in this case "identity" should mean "represents the same person or organization"
- [18:46:36] <kingryan>
'cause that's all we got
- [18:46:40] <bewest>
AGraf```: I think a merge over the network is too much to ask....
- [18:47:13] <bewest>
kingryan: as in the property of identity, not as in the security concept of identity?
- [18:47:36] <AGraf```>
[19:43:36] <bewest> AGraf```: I think a merge over the network is too much to ask.... <- if you just merge two thats the same
- [18:47:42] <kingryan>
bewest: I think so
- [18:47:44] <bewest>
AGraf```: this isn't a merge
- [18:47:44] <AGraf```>
then you can also merge more cards i think
- [18:47:55] <kingryan>
AGraf```: you could merge if you want
- [18:47:59] <kingryan>
it depends on your application
- [18:48:05] <AGraf```>
of course
- [18:48:11] <AGraf```>
and on the pattern...
- [18:48:28] <bewest>
right, but specifying that behaviour is outside the scope for this effort, I believe
- [18:48:37] <bewest>
it's up to the application to figure out how to do that
- [18:49:00] <AGraf```>
there needs to be a standard for something like that though
- [18:49:15] <bewest>
maybe
- [18:49:21] <kingryan>
AGraf```: we need experience with it first
- [18:49:23] <bewest>
why don't we do the simple thing first
- [18:49:41] <kingryan>
bewest: that's what I've been trying to propose (without success)
- [18:50:05] <bewest>
kingryan: I think we're getting there... helps to get everyone on the same page wrt vocabulary and mindshare
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- [18:50:44] <kingryan>
bewest: yes vocabulary is important :D
- [18:50:51] <kingryan>
and I've not done a good job with it
- [18:51:01] <kingryan>
and other people have gotten upset
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- [18:52:32] <jibot>
iand is Ian Davis who blogs at http://iandavis.com/blog
- [18:56:29] <mkaply>
The way you write a generic microformats parser is by moving some of the "parsing" into the description of the format
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[[hcard-examples-in-wild]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=13826 * IanLoic * (+110) New Examples -
- [18:56:40] <mkaply>
Right now, I have a generic parser that can take microformat definition files.
- [18:56:46] <mkaply>
It just depends on how clever you are :)
- [18:56:49] <AGraf```>
that doesn't make it "generic" though :)
- [18:57:01] <AGraf```>
it can't parse all uf's
- [18:57:09] <ianloic>
hah
- [18:57:24] <ianloic>
my irc client highlights mfbot messages when I edit the wiki
- [18:57:27] <AGraf```>
well, not all uf's which will possibly be created in the future
- [18:57:31] <mkaply>
That's because of how microformats are done.
- [18:57:38] <AGraf```>
yes
- [18:57:44] <ianloic>
mkaply, I tried doing that too
- [18:57:44] <AGraf```>
that's what i was saying ;)
- [18:57:47] <mkaply>
With RDFa you can actually have a generic parser that parses any future RDFa
- [18:57:55] <AGraf```>
yep
- [18:57:57] <ianloic>
mkaply, but there are lots and lots of edge cases defined in the specs that are hard to encode
- [18:58:00] <AGraf```>
same with eRDF
- [18:58:23] <AGraf```>
mkaply you're the operator guy, right?
- [18:58:32] <mkaply>
AGraf```: yes.
- [18:58:39] <mkaply>
ianloic: I work hard to cover all the edge cases.
- [18:58:40] <AGraf```>
nice
- [18:58:40] <ianloic>
mkaply, how do you handle hAtom titles?
- [18:59:00] <ianloic>
(that's the one that got me)
- [18:59:06] <mkaply>
ianloic: hAtoms don't have titles. That's one of the thing I hate about that spec.
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[[governance]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=governance&diff=0&oldid=13827 * RyanKing * (+171) adding links
- [18:59:24] <ianloic>
let me find what I was referring to - I havne't worked on my parser for a few months
- [18:59:29] <kingryan>
mkaply: don't have titles? what?
- [18:59:51] <mkaply>
kingryan: the hAtom spec doesn't say how to get the title of a feed, just the title of an entry
- [18:59:57] <kingryan>
ah, ok
- [19:00:05] <mkaply>
So if you have multiple feeds on one page, there is no way to differentiate them.
- [19:00:12] <mkaply>
I've just about given up on doing hAtom in operator
- [19:00:27] <kingryan>
well, you could propose a way to do feed titles
- [19:00:32] <ianloic>
mkaply, http://microformats.org/wiki/hatom#Entry_Title
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brb
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- [19:00:58] <ianloic>
entry titles are retardo
- [19:01:04] <Atamido>
ianloic: Your IRC client probably highlights any message with your name in it. :)
- [19:01:07] <mkaply>
kingryan: It's proposed :)
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- [19:01:16] <ianloic>
Atamido, well, yes :)
- [19:01:34] <kingryan>
mkaply: then get the spec editor to accept it :D
- [19:01:47] <mkaply>
kingryan: my problems with hAtom go much deeper.
- [19:02:00] <kingryan>
mkaply: do tell
- [19:02:02] <ianloic>
I think hAtom has some serious badness
- [19:02:20] <mkaply>
kingryan: It should have been specified as two separate microformats.
- [19:02:39] <mkaply>
making the primary classname optional is just crazy
- [19:03:04] <kingryan>
do you think that's a problem with hCalendar, too?
- [19:03:25] <mkaply>
kingryan: not as much because a vevent can stand alone from a vcalendar
- [19:03:34] <mkaply>
It doesn't "need" a vcalendar
- [19:04:02] <mkaply>
My view of things is very one sided, but think of it this way.
- [19:04:28] <mkaply>
So I 'm trying to do hAtom in Operator. My first try was a dropdown that showed all hentries on a page.
- [19:04:31] <bewest>
why is it crazy?
- [19:04:45] <mkaply>
bewest: because it makes it very painful to parse.
- [19:04:50] <mkaply>
And had actions on the hentrys
- [19:04:53] <bewest>
the presence of a primary classname isn't enough to detect presence of a microformat anyway
- [19:05:12] <ianloic>
mkaply, the usual response to that is "microformats are meant to be easy to write, not possible to parse"
- [19:05:34] <mkaply>
ianloic: I'm aware of that. That's the same problem that exists in specs like SVG, XForms, etc.
- [19:05:44] <Atamido>
Writing specs is always fun. :)
- [19:05:46] <mkaply>
It's only when people start to write implementations that the "problems" are found
- [19:06:14] <ianloic>
mkaply, one of my motivations in writing a generic uf parser was to be able to quantify the complexity of various formats and the divergence from the basic design patterns that some of them had
- [19:06:26] <mkaply>
but we don't call them problems, we call them errata
- [19:06:54] <kingryan>
mkaply: you're exactly write. building implementations helps us find problems we hadn't anticipated
- [19:07:08] <mkaply>
anyway, so then I thought, maybe I should have a menuitem for each hfeed, with all the hentries as submenus
- [19:07:09] <kingryan>
mkaply: please register your feedback and push on the editor to deal with it
- [19:07:17] <bewest>
also test cases
- [19:07:22] <mkaply>
Sounds like a great idea, but basically every feed page has one submenu with a zillion submenu items
- [19:07:23] <bewest>
as shown by the OWL guys
- [19:07:28] <mkaply>
So that didn't work well either
- [19:07:57] <mkaply>
But I'm told there are "actions" that should happen against the hfeed and "actions" that should happen against the hentries
- [19:08:24] <mkaply>
So in my mind, the most logical thing to do is have a menu for hFeeds and a separate dropdown for hEntries
- [19:09:18] <ianloic>
mkaply, where is your formats format? somewhere in operator svn?
- [19:09:53] <mkaply>
http://svn.mozilla.org/labs/operator/chrome/operator/content/ufJS/microformats/
- [19:10:02] <mkaply>
Although I want to move more stuff out of the definitions.
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- [19:10:15] <mkaply>
I want to have a way to specify the type of a property, so the "getters" are in the parser, not in the definitions
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- [19:10:49] <ianloic>
yeah
- [19:10:56] <ianloic>
I was trying to make mine totally js-free
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- [19:11:23] <mkaply>
ianloic: I don't think that's possible.
- [19:11:43] <mkaply>
ianloic: In particular, looking at hReview where the item can be three different things. I don't know how to express that semantically
- [19:11:53] <ianloic>
mkaply, I didn't get to hReview
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markp is Mark Pilgrim
- [19:12:06] <ianloic>
mkaply, and I don't know how you handle implied org and implied n in hcard
- [19:12:17] <mkaply>
ianloic: Ah, that's interesting.
- [19:12:17] <ianloic>
mkaply, and as we know hAtom entry titles are a disaster...
- [19:12:22] <bewest>
hehe someone summoned the atom gods
- [19:12:23] <mkaply>
I created an attribute called "virtual"
- [19:12:34] <mkaply>
So basically, if a property is virtual, it's value is computed.
- [19:12:48] <kingryan>
ianloic: why do you say that "entry titles are a disaster"?
- [19:12:53] <ianloic>
mkaply, ahh, interesting
- [19:13:00] <mkaply>
So if you say "getMicroformatProperty("n"), I say "Is there an n", if not, is "n" virtual, if so, compute it
- [19:13:13] <mkaply>
ianloic: that's how I made that concept "generic"
- [19:13:27] <ianloic>
kingryan, because the rules are very complex and unlike the rules in any other microformat
- [19:13:43] <mkaply>
ianloic: how so - aren't entry-titles just the textContent of the entry-title node?
- [19:13:48] <kingryan>
why does that mean it's a disaster?
- [19:14:04] <kingryan>
hatom is adapted to existing practice
- [19:14:08] <ianloic>
kingryan, so they're a disaster for someone like mkaply or myself who is trying to write a generic parser based on a grammar
- [19:14:11] <ianloic>
mkaply, or they're the page title
- [19:14:26] <ianloic>
mkaply, or they're the first <h#> in the content or something
- [19:14:27] <kingryan>
ianloic: your values are obviously different than those that informed hatom's development
- [19:14:43] <mkaply>
ianloic: entry-titles are required
- [19:14:46] <ianloic>
kingryan, yes, I have no doubt
- [19:14:49] <mkaply>
you're thinking of the feed title
- [19:14:59] <mkaply>
which is supposed to be the title of the page.
- [19:15:09] <mkaply>
the problem there is if the page has multiple feeds, they all get the same title - doh!
- [19:15:16] <ianloic>
oh no
- [19:15:18] <ianloic>
Entry Title
- [19:15:18] <ianloic>
* an Entry Title element is identified by the class name entry-title
- [19:15:18] <ianloic>
* an Entry SHOULD have an Entry Title
- [19:15:18] <ianloic>
* an Entry Title element represents the concept of an Atom entry title (http://www.atomenabled.org/developers/syndication/atom-format-spec.php#rfc.section.4.2.14)
- [19:15:19] <ianloic>
* if the Entry Title is missing, use
- [19:15:21] <ianloic>
o the first <h#> element in the Entry, or
- [19:15:23] <ianloic>
o the <title> of the page, if there is no enclosing Feed element, or
- [19:15:25] <ianloic>
o assume it is the empty string
- [19:16:45] <ianloic>
that's a disaster for me (but obviously not for others)
- [19:16:53] <mkaply>
so then why does it say
- [19:16:54] <mkaply>
entry-title. required. text.
- [19:17:11] <mkaply>
Some required elements have defaults if missing. Argh
- [19:17:18] <ianloic>
yeah
- [19:17:40] <ianloic>
and by defaults you mean "a fairly complicated set of steps to guesstimate a default"
- [19:17:45] <mkaply>
yeah. Finding the first h# entry in the entry is nontrivial
- [19:17:56] <ianloic>
wow, guesstimate is in the gnome-spell default dictionary :)
- [19:18:01] <mkaply>
and should we start with h1 and go down to h6? Or start with h6 and go to h1?
- [19:18:29] <ianloic>
mkaply, I think you want the first of any kind
- [19:18:33] <kingryan>
mkaply: "Finding the first h# entry in the entry is nontrivial" really? don't you have findBySelector() ?
- [19:19:25] <bewest>
I think that's pretty good, actually
- [19:19:27] <ianloic>
mkaply, FYI here's how I was attempting to define microformats: http://bzr.ianloic.com/nanoformats-trunk/nf-formats.js
- [19:19:39] <mkaply>
kingryan: if it's not in Javascript, I don't have it. I would use XPath for that case.
- [19:19:43] <bewest>
very clear path to handle what happens when expectations go awry
- [19:20:08] <bewest>
mkaply: there are plenty of getElementsBySelector() implementations in JS
- [19:20:09] <kingryan>
I thought FF had it implemented in the DOM, but maybe that's not until FF3
- [19:20:18] <ianloic>
mkaply, I was half-way through a rewrite that used css selectors that I want to finish
- [19:20:41] <ianloic>
kingryan, it's not in the DOM yet
- [19:20:48] <kingryan>
ok
- [19:20:54] <bewest>
even if it's not in the DOM, it's available
- [19:21:09] <ianloic>
bewest, but why not just fail?
- [19:21:12] <kingryan>
bewest: it's in FF3, not FF2
- [19:21:18] <mkaply>
bewest: I'm not ready to start taking other people's code yet. I need to get it "released" as open source so people can contribute. Lawyer stuff
- [19:21:47] <mkaply>
bewest: but ianloic's point is a little more generic.
- [19:22:00] <mkaply>
Every says "can we create a way to express microformats that doesn't involve JS code"
- [19:22:06] <mkaply>
s/Every/everyone
- [19:22:26] <ianloic>
if it's simple to explain to machines it'll be simple to explain to people too
- [19:22:28] <mkaply>
The answer is, with a special case like entry-title, clearly no. that alone will require it's own special bit of JS to find the entry-title
- [19:22:46] <ianloic>
and if it's simple to explain to machines it'll be simple to get support for microformats everywhere
- [19:22:52] <mkaply>
which is why in ufJSParser, we have the idea of "custom getters" for properties that are not so csimple
- [19:22:58] <AGraf``>
[20:19:22] <ianloic> if it's simple to explain to machines it'll be simple to explain to people too
- [19:22:59] <AGraf``>
ha
- [19:23:00] <ianloic>
*and* it'll be simple to get bug-free implementations of microformats everywhere
- [19:23:05] <AGraf``>
wish it were so
- [19:23:07] <AGraf``>
:)
- [19:23:22] <AGraf``>
that rule cannot be applied everywhere
- [19:23:27] <kingryan>
AGraf``: http://microformats.org/tests/
- [19:23:36] <kingryan>
that's how we get interoperable implementations
- [19:23:39] <ianloic>
AGraf``, I don't think it can be applied everywhere but it can be a useful metric
- [19:24:08] <ianloic>
AGraf``, the entry-title rule is complex enough that anyone writing hAtom marked up content will likely need to refer to the spec to write it
- [19:24:17] <AGraf``>
kingryan: i know, i was just disagreeeing with the simple for machines = simple for humans rule in general ;9
- [19:24:29] <ianloic>
AGraf``, and most-likely their editor will not be able to give them hints on how to write it acfurately
- [19:24:48] <AGraf``>
so it's the other way round too
- [19:24:51] <AGraf``>
at least sometimes it is
- [19:25:00] <AGraf``>
simple for humans <=> simple for machines
- [19:25:08] <AGraf``>
except for edge cases on both sides
- [19:25:47] <ianloic>
well, compare html to PDF
- [19:26:13] <ianloic>
I know that the one I'd choose to write by hand is the same one I'd choose to write a parser for
- [19:26:17] <AGraf``>
i know what you mean ;) i was just disagreeing with the rule in general
- [19:26:21] <mkaply>
ianloic: Not really, the answer is "write as you did before and let the parser figure it out"
- [19:26:25] <mkaply>
and if you want a title, use entry-title
- [19:26:57] <ianloic>
mkaply, yeah - if we need to make entry-title optional. or make it have a default empty string that's fine
- [19:27:40] <ianloic>
mkaply, but the whole walk down the dom looking for H*, then walk up the dom looking for hfeed or title dance is madness
- [19:27:51] <ianloic>
as a page author I'm confused!
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- [19:28:26] <mkaply>
ianloic: It's not relevant for page authors.
- [19:28:37] <ianloic>
mkaply, what's the status of licensing Operator?
- [19:28:39] <mkaply>
Again, if the page author wants a title, use entry-title
- [19:28:51] <mkaply>
That's only the fallback which a page author doesn't have to worry about
- [19:28:58] <ianloic>
mkaply, if they don't want a title, what do they do? they can't just leave entry-title off
- [19:29:12] <mkaply>
ianloic: Operator is released under the tri license right now (GPL/LGPL/MPL)
- [19:29:25] <mkaply>
I'm working to make ufJS/ufJSParser available by themselves under a separate license
- [19:29:44] <ianloic>
mkaply, nice - we're going to start revising the songbird page-scraping code at some point soon
- [19:29:54] <mkaply>
If people want to give me changes to Operator (in particular ufJS/ufJSParser) they have to agree to relicensing
- [19:30:09] <ianloic>
mkaply, ahh - ok
- [19:30:21] <ianloic>
mkaply, what license are you planning on using, like MIT or something?
- [19:30:34] <mkaply>
ianloic: Whatever my lawyers say to use - something friendly :)
- [19:31:21] <ianloic>
mkaply, one of my goals for my uf parser was something I could embed in web pages - is that a use case you've thought about much?
- [19:31:39] <mkaply>
ianloic: absolutely. The parser mostly works in web pages.
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ocol
- [19:31:55] <mkaply>
The main issue for web pages is getElementsByAttribute and getElementsByClassName
- [19:31:56] <ianloic>
er
- [19:31:57] <ianloic>
cool
- [19:31:59] <mkaply>
I'm using XPath for Firefox
- [19:32:19] <mkaply>
There are some good solutions out there (third party), but again, need to wait to get licensing straightened out
- [19:32:22] <ianloic>
I was thinking of moving over to jQuery or dojo.query, but I wouldn't want to use either of them in chrome-land
- [19:32:48] <mkaply>
ianloic: exactly
- [19:33:05] <mkaply>
I don't think you'd want to bring dojo into chrome
- [19:33:32] <mkaply>
I'm encountering a ton of problems just from the Array prototypes that McAfee SiteAdvisor adds
- [19:34:40] <mkaply>
does dojo.query and jQuery work for attribute queries as well? or just classname?
- [19:34:58] <ianloic>
mkaply, oh dude, we did that at Flock - many many headaches
- [19:35:10] <bewest>
ianloic, mkaply, one of the lessons learned from html was that the fallback mechanisms were not clearly defined... hatom improves this state by describing what actions to take instead of just failing
- [19:35:12] <ianloic>
I haven't looked at their query languages in detail
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bewest, I agree to disagree with you
- [19:35:47] <bewest>
mkaply: yeah, I have processes for releasing stuff too...
- [19:36:27] <bewest>
jquery implements a getElementsBySelector() it can do attributes as well
- [19:36:28] <kingryan>
mkaply: jquery does everything up to CSS3, I believe. dunno about dojo.query
- [19:36:41] <bewest>
I saw an interesting implementation that converts a selector into an xpath
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- [19:37:52] <bewest>
http://dean.edwards.name/weblog/2006/03/faster/
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bewest: interesting
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- [19:54:37] <mkaply>
cssQuery is nice, but it's LGPL
- [19:55:11] <kingryan>
silly mozilla and their tri-licensing :D
- [19:55:44] <mkaply>
yeah. Licensing sucks. Big time
- [19:55:52] <mkaply>
when you throw IBM lawyers in the mix...
- [19:55:56] <ianloic>
yeah, but trilicensing makes it possible for other folks to do all kinds of commercial stuff
- [19:56:22] <kingryan>
ianloic: just use lgpl or a BSD-style license, then
- [19:56:52] <mkaply>
ianloic: yeah. BSD is enough
- [19:56:53] <ianloic>
kingryan, well yes, except neither would satisfy all the "requirements"
- [19:57:08] <mkaply>
the problem with trilicensing is that if I want to use it, I have to go to the originator and ask them to relicense
- [19:57:19] <mkaply>
So what I need to do, is find the "best" implementation of a css Selector query
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and then get them to let me have it under the MPL and whatever license I license ufJSPArser under
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mkaply, the dojo guys think theirs is fairly good
- [19:57:49] <ianloic>
mkaply, and doesn't depend on too much outside of dojo
- [19:58:01] <ianloic>
I wonder how its licensed
- [19:58:04] <mkaply>
ianloic: yeah, and dojo has some special dispensation in the IBM world
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http://dojotoolkit.org/foundation/#license
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isn't label in hCard redundant?
- [19:59:06] <kingryan>
vbgunz: not neccessarily
- [19:59:16] <kingryan>
you may have special instructions or formatting
- [20:00:00] <mkaply>
My problem with dojo is everything it brings along. I'd prefer something more self contained...
- [20:00:18] <kingryan>
have you looked at YUI?
- [20:00:47] <vbgunz>
kingryan: oh? I figured you would probably embed label into the adr and while your at it, why not just turn the type in an abbr. at this point they look the same, I'll keep having a crack at it I guess :)
- [20:00:52] <mkaply>
dojo.query requires NodesList which requires langg/dom/expermental
- [20:01:47] <kingryan>
vbgunz: that'd be one way to do it
- [20:02:38] <vbgunz>
very cool, thanks :)
- [20:03:14] <mkaply>
kingryan: YUI has classname stuff, but I don't see attribute stuff (or CSS selectors)
- [20:03:32] <kingryan>
that may be true, I haven't used it myself
- [20:03:38] * kingryan uses jquery mostly
- [20:04:48] <mkaply>
kingryan: Have you seen the speed comparisons with the new DOMQuery?
- [20:04:52] <mkaply>
http://www.jackslocum.com/blog/2007/01/11/domquery-css-selector-basic-xpath-implementation-with-benchmarks/
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- [20:05:24] <_fil_>
jquery rocks
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we need something that can split attributes right so we can handle rel & rev
- [20:05:38] * _fil_ doesn't look back
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we need ufquery :)
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[[hcard-examples-in-wild]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=13828 * RyanKing * (+104) added aol journals
- [20:08:07] <kingryan>
mkaply: that's nice domquery looks sweet!
- [20:08:33] <mkaply>
kingryan: you have to read this post
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http://www.jackslocum.com/blog/2007/01/12/domquery-in-response-to-jquerys-response/
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It's awesome.
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DOMQuery requires some YUI right now though
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kingryan: May I ask, is this legal: class="type label" OR should I *nest* type within label?
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it must be nested
- [20:14:45] <vbgunz>
ahh, thanks :)
- [20:15:00] <_fil_>
yes ufquery would be a very nice jquery plugin
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The other idea I had was to provide a default impl, and check for other impls and use them if they are there
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if (dojo.query) if (jquery)
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[[species-examples-quantitative]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-examples-quantitative&diff=0&oldid=13829 * AndyMabbett * (+16) ehader
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re "what profile URI to use for combinations, such as hcard and hcalendar?" I see "Resolved: HTML4.01 (http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/global.html#adef-profile) states "that one or more meta data profiles, [are] separated by white space."
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is that really resolved?
- [20:29:20] <DanC>
a year ago, tantek and I talked about one profile for the combination
- [20:29:37] <DanC>
the change is dated 12 Jul 2006, so it's been there for a while
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DanC: ScottReynen is sreynen
- [20:31:19] <sreynen>
indeed i am
- [20:31:23] <DanC>
ah. hi.
- [20:31:46] <DanC>
in what sense is that "resolved"? was there plenty of community discussion?
- [20:32:13] <sreynen>
where is this?
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oops; sorry... http://microformats.org/wiki/profile-uris
- [20:33:49] <sreynen>
i don't remember the context of making that change, but is there something wrong with the HTML recommendation of space-separated profiles?
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- [20:34:32] <DanC>
usability. tantek was interested in just one profile URI for usability/simplicity
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are the two mutually exclusive?
- [20:35:08] <DanC>
no
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but the fact that two are allowed doesn't resolve the issue of wanting a combined profile
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i guess i misread the issue
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ok
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i didn't realize the desire was to combine two profiles into one
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i thought it was just combine two profiles in the same header
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[[profile-uris]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=profile-uris&diff=0&oldid=13830 * DanC * (+65) un-resolve and clarify the combined profile issue
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AGraf``: still arond?
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[[species]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species&diff=0&oldid=13831 * AndyMabbett * (+252) Species - update
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[[species-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=13832 * AndyMabbett * (+252) update
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SamRose is found at http://smartmobs.com, http://communitywiki.org, http://blog.p2pfoundation.com, http://barcampbank.com, and http://cooperationcommons.com
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danja is Danny Ayers, http://dannyayers.com
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jcw9 is Jon Williams and can be found online at http://wizardishungry.com/blog/
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[[events/2006-03-12-sxsw-growth-evolution-of]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2006-03-12-sxsw-growth-evolution-of&diff=0&oldid=13834 * DanC * (+37) wishing
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[[events/2006-03-12-sxsw-growth-evolution-of]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2006-03-12-sxsw-growth-evolution-of&diff=0&oldid=13835 * DanC * (-41) oops
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[[events/2006-03-12-sxsw-growth-evolution-of]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2006-03-12-sxsw-growth-evolution-of&diff=0&oldid=13836 * DanC * (+37) wishing
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[[events/2006-03-12-sxsw-growth-evolution-of]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2006-03-12-sxsw-growth-evolution-of&diff=0&oldid=13837 * DanC * (-1) Would Like to Attend -
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chimezie is Chimezie Ogbuji - He is a mammal
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dydimustk is writing at http://dydimustk.com/blog
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[[species-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=13838 * AndyMabbett * (+1440) Synonyms - reply (and remove obsolete commentary)
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[[species-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=13839 * AndyMabbett * (+6) Synonyms - embolden quote
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[[species-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=13840 * AndyMabbett * (+6) Synonyms -
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[[species-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=13841 * AndyMabbett * (-1) Synonyms -
- [22:44:07] <Atamido>
So was anything ever decided about making links to more complete information?
- [22:44:35] <mfbot>
[[species-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=13842 * AndyMabbett * (+1) Synonyms - fix
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[[species-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=13843 * AndyMabbett * (+0) Synonyms -
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[[species-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=13844 * AndyMabbett * (+133) Synonyms -
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[[species-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=13845 * AndyMabbett * (+226) Synonyms - multiple and foreign-language common names
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mkaply is Michael Kaply <http://www.kaply.com/weblog/> and is the developer of Operator <https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/4106/>
- [22:54:22] <AGraf``>
mkaply: back now
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[[species-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=13846 * AndyMabbett * (+5) Synonyms -
- [22:55:41] <AGraf``>
[21:44:56] <mkaply> AGraf``: still arond?
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[[species-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=13847 * AndyMabbett * (+0) Synonyms - italicise
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[[species-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=13848 * AndyMabbett * (+2) Synonyms - :
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[[species-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=13849 * AndyMabbett * (-1) Synonyms -
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AGraf``: email me your ideas. I'm open to new UI ideas for Operator
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gtta run
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[[species-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=13850 * AndyMabbett * (-280) Response to Pengo by Andy Mabbett - rm. obsolete fragements
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[[species-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=13851 * AndyMabbett * (+76) Citations for authorites - hCite?
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[[species-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=species-brainstorming&diff=0&oldid=13852 * AndyMabbett * (+59) Citations for authorites - sign my last
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iand is Ian Davis who blogs at http://iandavis.com/blog
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