IRC Log for #microformats on 2007-03-07
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Mr_Elusive is not a programmer from id but makes his home at http://eswat.ca
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Good afternoon, everyone.
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hi Rohmholt
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chimezie is Chimezie Ogbuji - He is a mammal
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- [00:18:40] <Rohmholt>
Good day kingryan.
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Would there be an interest in a collection scientific microformats? It would be an exploration of such topics and physics, chemistry, and biology. That is, if they have not yet been explored.
- [00:21:54] <Rohmholt>
Rather, a collection *of* scientific microformats.
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[[footnotes-examples]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/footnotes-examples * JeremyBoggs * (+598)
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[[footnotes-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=footnotes-examples&diff=0&oldid=14068 * JeremyBoggs * (-1) Participants -
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[[footnotes-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=footnotes-examples&diff=0&oldid=14069 * JeremyBoggs * (-3) Participants -
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[[footnotes-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=footnotes-examples&diff=0&oldid=14070 * JeremyBoggs * (-149) See Also -
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[[footnotes-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=footnotes-examples&diff=0&oldid=14071 * JeremyBoggs * (+116) Real-World Examples -
- [00:30:14] <kingryan>
Rohmholt: I'm sure there'd be some interest
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have you done any research into patterns on the web?
- [00:30:58] <Rohmholt>
Not yet. I would like to form an exploratory group though that would partake in this.
- [00:31:45] <kingryan>
have you read http://microformats.org/wiki/process?
- [00:32:23] <Rohmholt>
It is on my "to read" list for this evening.
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- [00:33:08] <kingryan>
it'd be the place to start
- [00:33:12] <Rohmholt>
Excellent.
- [00:34:20] <Rohmholt>
My first task then will be to define a solvable problem.
- [00:34:44] <Rohmholt>
Thank you for the assistance kingryan.
- [00:35:02] <kingryan>
no problem
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[[hcard-examples-in-wild]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=14072 * JacobPatton * (+158) New Examples -
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mkaply is Michael Kaply <http://www.kaply.com/weblog/> and is the developer of Operator <https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/4106/>
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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[[events]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events&diff=0&oldid=14073 * Chris Messina * (+168) added MF dinner at Web 2.0 Expo
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[[events/2007-04-18-Web2ExpoDinner]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/events/2007-04-18-Web2ExpoDinner * Chris Messina * (+187)
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[[events/2007-04-18-Web2ExpoDinner]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2007-04-18-Web2ExpoDinner&diff=0&oldid=14074 * Chris Messina * (+22)
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[[events/2007-04-18-Web2ExpoDinner]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2007-04-18-Web2ExpoDinner&diff=0&oldid=14075 * JohnAllsopp * (+39)
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[[User:JohnAllsopp]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/User:JohnAllsopp * JohnAllsopp * (+38)
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[[hcalendar]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar&diff=0&oldid=14076 * Tantek * (+82) updated iCal-Basic reference, previous link was dead
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[[events/2007-04-18-Web2ExpoDinner]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2007-04-18-Web2ExpoDinner&diff=0&oldid=0 * Tantek * (+248) events/2007-04-18-Web2ExpoDinner moved to events/2007-04-18-web-2-expo-dinner
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[[events/2007-04-18-web-2-expo-dinner]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2007-04-18-web-2-expo-dinner&diff=0&oldid=14077 * Tantek * (+17) added myself. page was also moved was in accordance with [[naming-conventions]]
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reminder: http://microformats.org/wiki/naming-conventions - thanks!
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[[events/2007-04-18-web-2-expo-dinner]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=events/2007-04-18-web-2-expo-dinner&diff=0&oldid=14078 * Tantek * (+40)
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bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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[[hcalendar-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcalendar-fr&diff=0&oldid=14079 * ChristopheDucamp * (+104) sync'd
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[[hcard-examples-in-wild-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples-in-wild-fr&diff=0&oldid=14081 * ChristopheDucamp * (+348)
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[[hcard-examples-in-wild-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples-in-wild-fr&diff=0&oldid=14082 * ChristopheDucamp * (+13) Exemples pour se conformer -
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[[Template:hcalendar-related-pages-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Template:hcalendar-related-pages-fr&diff=0&oldid=14084 * ChristopheDucamp * (+60) ajout to-do
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[[hcalendar-profile-fr]] MN http://microformats.org/wiki/hcalendar-profile-fr * ChristopheDucamp * (+1936)
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[[implementations-fr]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=implementations-fr&diff=0&oldid=14085 * ChristopheDucamp * (+126) [fr:sync'd (Added Conferenceer)]
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bengee is Benjamin Nowack (http://bnode.org/)
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[[music-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=music-examples&diff=0&oldid=14086 * MarianSteinbach * (+315) Real World Examples - - music blogs section added
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[[music-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=music-examples&diff=0&oldid=14087 * MarianSteinbach * (+93) Music Blogs -
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bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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iand is Ian Davis who blogs at http://iandavis.com/blog
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[[Main Page]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=14088 * VSeymen * (-12717) Hacked By S_e_YM_e_N vs TehLiqE
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danja is Danny Ayers, http://dannyayers.com
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- [08:34:24] <_fil_>
hello what do you think of <div class="{option:1;other:required}" /> ?
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- [08:35:19] <_fil_>
it's in http://jquery.bassistance.de/validate/demo-test/
- [08:36:02] <_fil_>
(I think it's cool [microformatesque] to pass data like this, but I wonder of the "{" and ":" signs)
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i haven't looked at the script
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but the idea is nice
- [08:38:12] <AGraf``>
i wouldn't use class in that way though
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since class takes a CDATA list, { and : are valid characters
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as would be a space
- [08:40:58] <_fil_>
ok, great
- [08:41:07] <AGraf``>
browsers will muck it up though....
- [08:41:17] <AGraf``>
well, they could, if you used whitespaces
- [08:41:58] <AGraf``>
wait, diregard that
- [08:42:00] <AGraf``>
my mistake
- [08:42:13] <AGraf``>
space is reserved as a delimiter for the CDATA list
- [08:42:54] <AGraf``>
so it does work in your case
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however, if you want to be CSS compatible, you should escape your chars
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users will have to be careful not inserting spaces inside the {}
- [08:43:51] <AGraf``>
in css2.1 only A-Z, a-z, 0-9, the hyphen (-), the underscore (_) and ISO 10646 characters are valid
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so i think it breaks selectors
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<input class="curl {url:true}" value="" />
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should work in theory
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because the css spec makes the second element invalid
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but the first (curl) should be valid
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i don't know about browsers though...
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they should apply the curl class but i'm not sure they actually will
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I had a problem once with IE Mac, that failed to apply css on a class=" classname"
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because of the 1st space
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i think you can safely forget IE Mac
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it's no longer in development
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shhhh... don't mention it here :)
- [08:50:13] <AGraf``>
:p
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[[footnotes]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/footnotes * AndyMabbett * (+32)
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[[footnotes-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=footnotes-examples&diff=0&oldid=14090 * AndyMabbett * (+209) Existing Practices - two examples
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[[footnotes-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=footnotes-examples&diff=0&oldid=14092 * AndyMabbett * (+29) Participants - sign
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[[footnotes-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=footnotes-examples&diff=0&oldid=14093 * AndyMabbett * (+7) dab
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trovster is a web developer from the UK who writes on http://www.trovster.com and helps with www.multipack.co.uk
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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woodss is Steven Woods, from Newcastle, UK (GMT 0000). His personal site is http://www.swoo.co.uk/ and Steven Woods, http://www.swoo.co.uk - He is situated in Newcastle, UK (GMT 0000).
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iand is Ian Davis who blogs at http://iandavis.com/blog
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julianstahnke is Julian Stahnke and works for last.fm and implements microformats wherever he can
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Charl is Charl van Niekerk and writes about standards at http://standards.za.net/
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[[advocay]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/advocay * AndyMabbett * (+22) my most regular typo!
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briansuda is brian suda of http://suda.co.uk and is at (-0000 GMT) and is author of "Using Microformats" for O'Reilly [http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/microformats/]
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[[hcard-examples-in-wild]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=14108 * AndyMabbett * (+123) Examples with some problems - fix my last
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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[[hcard-examples-in-wild]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=14109 * AndyMabbett * (+332) Examples with some problems - more
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mm… more interestingly, it includes a like to Web Applications 1.0
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mkaply: don't we all
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outlook doesn't appear to honor the UTF8 encoding when exporting vcards
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that doesn't surprise me
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Should I just be happy when Operator fails the same way as X2V? :)
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Poor Benedict James O'Neill should just change his name
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Although I oft wonder why people choose to use the unicode apostrophe when the lower 128 one will do just fine
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does ms word do it?
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or maybe it's prettier?
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I guess it's prettier.
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the sucky part is this means people with umlauts in their name won't work either
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Outlook sucks
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I think with the previous operator where I was writing the file directly to disk, Firefox corrected the characters in it to the right codepage
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Now that I am using data/text URLs, things don't work as well.
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nope, broken in a different way. weird
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bergie is lives in Finland and blogs at http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/ and Midgard CMS developer
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tantek is Tantek <http://tantek.com> and works on Technorati and develops microformats <http://microformats.org>
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shawn is in San Francisco
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davecardwell is Dave Cardwell of http://davecardwell.co.uk/. He designs webs and generally geeks about in York, England.
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[[hcard-examples-in-wild]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hcard-examples-in-wild&diff=0&oldid=14112 * AndyMabbett * (+65) Examples with some problems - more detail
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davecardwell is Dave Cardwell of http://davecardwell.co.uk/. He designs webs and generally geeks about in York, England.
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