IRC Log for #microformats on 2007-03-16

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  30. [03:51:12] <pnhChris> being lazy.. anyone have a pointer to PHP code for string -> n guessing handy?
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  64. [09:16:17] <mfbot> [[resume-formats]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=resume-formats&diff=0&oldid=14276 * PaoloMassa * (+363)
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  83. [10:54:36] <mfbot> [[irc-people]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=irc-people&diff=0&oldid=14277 * DavidMead * (+39)
  84. [10:58:28] <mfbot> [[User:DavidMead]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/User:DavidMead * DavidMead * (+147)
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  91. [11:07:37] <cbarrett> you know, it's funny
  92. [11:08:33] <cbarrett> if you plot my reading and replying to the uf-discuss list over time, you see there's a very large drop as soon as I start working for, of all people, a browser vendor.
  93. [11:08:35] <cbarrett> :)
  94. [11:16:29] <mfbot> [[User:DavidMead]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User:DavidMead&diff=0&oldid=14278 * DavidMead * (+256) David Mead -
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  152. [15:27:50] <mfbot> [[User talk:DavidMead]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/User_talk:DavidMead * AndyMabbett * (+70) welcome
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  157. [15:50:17] <mfbot> [[advocacy]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=advocacy&diff=0&oldid=14279 * AndyMabbett * (+74) Telephone Directory Listings - SkypeFind
  158. [15:55:33] <mfbot> [[advocacy]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=advocacy&diff=0&oldid=14280 * AndyMabbett * (+131) Telephone Directory Listings - SkypeFind requested
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  185. [18:26:14] <fulld> is there a standard way to provide multiple links to a file to download so that the client can simultaneously swarm from all of them?
  186. [18:27:09] <fulld> so that the browser knows that this link over ftp and this link over bittorrent and this one over gnutella go to the same file
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  188. [18:36:58] <itpastorn> As long as there is one URL=one resource I'd say no there is not - what would the protocol be?
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  198. [18:57:09] <mkaply> good thing no microformat folks are in mozilla #developers right now :)
  199. [18:57:23] <cbarrett> heheh
  200. [18:59:48] <cbarrett> that logging thread was really interesting.
  201. [19:00:39] <cbarrett> (since my original purpose in joining the uf group was to talk about the proposed chatlog microformat)
  202. [19:13:48] <cgriego> If I had a parsing issue or really more of a "pitfall to watch out for" with the abbr-design-pattern, what wiki page would that go on? I'm referring to the use of abbr with a custom namespace, i.e. html:abbr
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  207. [19:19:45] <ianloic> mkaply, *grin*
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  209. [19:28:49] <KevinMarks> what happened re chatlogs? I recall adium went wiht some xml thing
  210. [19:31:37] <mfbot> [[User:IwaiMasaharu]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=User:IwaiMasaharu&diff=0&oldid=14281 * IwaiMasaharu * (+49) profile -
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  218. [20:15:58] <bewest> cgriego: is it an implementation issue?
  219. [20:16:11] <bewest> cgriego: post it on -dev
  220. [20:16:13] <bewest> mailing list
  221. [20:16:53] <cgriego> it is, but it isn't issue with a specific implementation, it's become a recurring issue with implementations
  222. [20:17:54] * daggi (n=chrisada@82-45-160-216.cable.ubr05.hari.blueyonder.co.uk) Quit ()
  223. [20:19:22] <bewest> yes, share it on -dev and ask for feedback
  224. [20:19:48] <bewest> (I don't know what to do with it without hearing about it)
  225. [20:19:57] <bewest> but no one else will either
  226. [20:20:00] <bewest> so I suggest sharing it on -dev
  227. [20:20:16] <bewest> and then we can discuss how to either iterate to fix it, or where to document it properly
  228. [20:20:22] <bewest> this is exactly what -dev is for
  229. [20:24:15] <mfbot> [[vote-links-ja]] http://microformats.org/wiki?title=vote-links-ja&diff=0&oldid=14282 * IwaiMasaharu * (+0) 廃止された案: rel属性を用いたVote Links - fix typo
  230. [20:25:41] <mfbot> [[vote-links-ja]] M http://microformats.org/wiki?title=vote-links-ja&diff=0&oldid=14283 * IwaiMasaharu * (+24) 廃止された案: rel属性を用いたVote Links - 日本語表現を更新
  231. [20:27:52] <bewest> nice
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  279. [22:15:38] <trumpetmic> wow, this channel is populated
  280. [22:15:49] <trumpetmic> anyone here and awake?
  281. [22:17:57] <trumpetmic> anyone familiar with hreview usage? I'm intersted in the star characters in particular
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  283. [22:21:40] <bewest> trumpetmic: what kind of interest?
  284. [22:21:48] * epeus is now known as KevinMarks
  285. [22:22:16] <trumpetmic> i'm interested in the compatibility of the star character used by the hreview generator on microformats.org
  286. [22:22:25] <trumpetmic> it looks like a star in ff1.5
  287. [22:22:39] <trumpetmic> but it doesn't display in ff2.0 or ie6 or 7
  288. [22:25:13] <KevinMarks> hi
  289. [22:25:44] <KevinMarks> it's a unicode character; are you serving the result with the right encoding?
  290. [22:27:14] <bewest> trumpetmic: is this being served from microformats.org, or something you are trying to serve from one of your servers?
  291. [22:27:22] <KevinMarks> it may be a font substitution issue?
  292. [22:27:41] <trumpetmic> aha
  293. [22:27:52] <trumpetmic> I think you're onto something with the character encoding issue
  294. [22:27:55] <trumpetmic> checking that out now
  295. [22:28:13] <trumpetmic> when I go to validate the page, w3c says I have a type mismatch
  296. [22:28:24] * trumpetmic is looking into that now
  297. [22:29:53] <KevinMarks> it is a unicode escape, so browsers are supposed to honour thta even if the surrounding font doesn't contain it
  298. [22:30:08] <trumpetmic> gotcha
  299. [22:30:16] <KevinMarks> afaik
  300. [22:30:25] <trumpetmic> I think I would like to use that, rather than a star image, though I think the image I have looks better
  301. [22:30:43] <trumpetmic> any thoughts or pereferences here on that?
  302. [22:31:10] <KevinMarks> well, I used those star characters after seeing them on a lot of chinese blogs
  303. [22:31:23] <trumpetmic> I wasn't even really sure that I wanted to use the star characters, but then I wondered if using straight images with alts might throw off the microformat's usefulness
  304. [22:31:59] <KevinMarks> no, straight images are fine - thats what the <abbr title="3" class="rating"> is for
  305. [22:32:03] <trumpetmic> like if a product rating site crawled my site, looking for reviews... and looking for the star
  306. [22:32:03] <KevinMarks> you can use images
  307. [22:32:08] <trumpetmic> gothca
  308. [22:32:27] <trumpetmic> so, this isn't even really an issue. Well, at least it makes me take the type mismatch problem seriously
  309. [22:32:58] <trumpetmic> KevinMarks, did you create the hreview generator?
  310. [22:33:57] <KevinMarks> I made some hReviews using the stars, and ryan used the idea in the generator
  311. [22:34:31] <trumpetmic> coolness
  312. [22:34:39] <trumpetmic> well, thanks for the insights
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  315. [22:43:06] <bewest> KevinMarks: do you happen to know if the use of abbr as a means to expand a concept (as opposed to a literal term/word/phrase) been discussed in the context of HTMLWG or WHATWG at all?
  316. [22:43:43] <KevinMarks> I haven't been following it closely; tantek or hixie might know more
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  318. [22:48:00] * cbarrett wonders what the reasoning is for HTMLWG invisible to the public?
  319. [22:48:13] <cbarrett> HTMLWG being invisible to the public, rather
  320. [22:49:40] <bewest> it's not invisible
  321. [22:49:41] <bewest> ???
  322. [22:49:51] <bewest> it's public
  323. [22:49:54] <bewest> anyone can send mail
  324. [22:49:58] <bewest> and anyone can view the archive
  325. [22:50:07] <bewest> what is your definition of invisible and public?
  326. [22:50:08] <cbarrett> hm
  327. [22:50:18] <bewest> also, anyone can join the group
  328. [22:50:21] <cbarrett> I was reading something on hixie's blog that contained links that I wasn't able to go to.
  329. [22:50:26] <bewest> as an invited expert by filling out a few forms
  330. [22:50:28] <cbarrett> I thought they were HTMLWG
  331. [22:50:53] <bewest> the w3 has plenty of resources that require authentication, that doesn't make them invisible
  332. [22:51:02] <cbarrett> it was the XHTMLWG
  333. [22:51:15] <cbarrett> http://ln.hixie.ch/?start=1172653243&count=1
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